20170918Hearing Transcript.pdf

ORIGINAL
BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION
OF GROUSE POINT WATER COMPANY,
LLC
FOR AUTHORITY TO INCREASE ITS
RATE AND CHARGES FOR WATER
SERVICE IN IDAHO.
Case No. GPW-W-17-01,
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 2OL7
KUNA CITY HALL
75]. WEST 4TH STREET
KUNA, IDAHO7:05 P.M.
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IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION:
ERIC ANDERSON, CHAIRMAN
PAUL KJELLANDER, COMMISSIONER
REPORTER BY:
Beverly A. Benjamin, CSR No. 7L0
Notary Public
}IEBRICK
COURT REPORTING
POST OFFICE BOX 578
BOISE, IDAHO 83701
208-336-9208
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TESTIMOIiW PROVIDED BY
Rogler IJ. CoLbrY
Bob PerkinE
Arnie Spriggel
Aaron Leuck
,fennifer Leuck
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Notice of Public Hearing - September 6, 2017
D[R. AIiIDERSON: Good evening, ladies and
gentl.emen. Today ie Wednesday, t,he 5th September 20L7.
ThiE ie the time and place get forth for the public
hearing before the Idaho FubLic Ut,ilitiee Courmieeion,
CaEe No . GPw-w- L7 - 07- , furtlrer identi f ied as s fn The
Matter of the Application of Grouee Point Water Company,
LLC For Authority to Inereaee ite Ratee and Chargee for
Water Service in the State of ldatro.
We are Lrere thiE eveningr to take pubLic
testimony from the cuEtomers of Grouge Point Water
Company. ltry name iE Eric.Andereon. I'11 be the
chairnan tonight for these proceedinge.
I wanted two Corunieeionerg preeent. To my
Ief,t is Corsrigsioner PauI KjelJ.ander. Asrd we trawe wittr
uE our court reporter, Beverly Benja.nin.
The intent of these proceedinge t,hie evening,
aE I said, is for tshe Comniegionerg to take public
testimony to compLete the building of the record. Once
the record ie completely buiJ.t and the case ie elosed,
Comrissioners will ttren deLiberate baeed on all of the
evidence and all the mattserE ttrat are part of the
officiaL record of the cage.
We Eerve aE a three-paneI judiciary body, and
the role, again, thiE evening iE tso agEure Ltrat, your
testimony is included and, appropriately entered into the
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record.
The way werlL operate this evening is that we
wiLl caLl the na.mes of people who trave eigned up to
testify. So if you traven I t teEtif ied, speak with Matt
there and herII help you get eigned up.
Ared if yourll come forrrrardt EtB I call your
narne, Conuniesioner KJ ellander will awear you in and
Brandon Karpen, our Attorney General from the Attorney
GeneraL'E office, wiLl ask you a few queetione to
identify you for the purpoge of ttre formal record, t,hen
you may proceed with your statement.
ff you trave Eome additional. remarke if you
have any written test,imony provided earlierr )ro1l do not
trawe go t,eetify tonigtrt, brrt if yorr do trawe arry some
additional remarks, pleage feel free to do ttrat becauae
you may have thought of Eomething elee or heard somebody
elEe t,eatify and you have something to add, and you are
perfectly welcome to do that.
The Comnrieeion' s decision in thig cage hae to
be baged upon eubet,antial and competent evidence in the
record, which is why all our proceedinge are tranEeribed
by a court reporter and are awailable for public
inspection.
Before we start the public tegtimony we will
now tsake the appearancea of any PartieE present at thiE
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hearing. IE t,here anybody repreEenting Grouee Point
?llater Company?
If you would like to introduce yourselvee,
pleaee, for the CommiEsion.
MS. WAI{NER: I'm Lisa Wanner, Grouge Point
Water Company.
MR. AIiIDERSON: Thank you very much.
Lastly, a reminder, thie ie not a
queetion-and-anewer period for t,he Conuniegionars. This
is an opportunity for yorr to t,estify to the Cormniesion.
Then once you compJ.ete your testimony, there may be an
opportunity for uE to ask you queetione if we see fit.
ff you want to ask a follow-up queation baeed
on what, yor.r hawe eaid if we warrt, tso aek you a
f ollow-up queetion, we have ttre ability to do that.
For the courts reporterrs sake, pleaee speak
clearly and don'ts be offended if Etre tras to stop you for
clarification because she can only do her thing Eo faEt,
and stre wonrt be bashful to etop you if you need to be
s topped .
So uri th t,hat , let r g go ahead and dive right
into our f iret individual wtro traE eigned up.
Roger Colbry, please come forward and be sworn
in.
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O. (BY MR. KARPEN) Good ewening, Mr. Colbry.
Can you pleaee state your fulL name and spelling; of your
Iast rr€Lme.
A. Roger IJ. Colbry, C-o-1-b-r-y.
a. Can you plea.se algo state yorr addrees.
A. LL923 West Gamekeeper Drive, Kuna.
A. And are you a cugtomer of Grouee Point Water
Company?
A. Yes, I am.
A. Thank you. PleaEe provide your etatement, for
the record.
A . Okay . f did send in a E tatemant wi th ttre
engineer, but I also wanted to come for'ward at t,he
meeting here and state that we definitely think thats the
amount of raEe is way exorbitanE. We have other
inweEtsment properties, and I did Bome comparison on tshe
ottrer propertiee. To use 8,000 gal.lons per month would
eost about $20 to $25, and then an addj.tional dollar and
half to $2 per 1,000 over trtrat,.
So I just want to reiterate ttrat ttre rate that
is being proposed is way exorbitant to any of the other
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ROGER I,. COLBRY,
first duly aworn to teII ttre truth relating to said
eauge, tseetifLed aE fol.Iows:
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properties tshat we have, aB well aE our current
property.
We are also concerned about the quality of
water. We have been at thie property for 10 yeare, and
we did put in a whole houee syetem to purify the water,
at our own e:rpenee. And Eo we alEo want to be ageured
that the quality of, water wiLl be at a good quality.
And then the coEt for the wells ttremeelveg, we
didn'ts have any inputr ErB far aE even the second weLl
being drilled, and ttrat wae an expenae that maybe we
f ee1 wasn I t neceEreary . Ttrat i E the end of my stsatement .
MR . AIiIDERSON: Thank you, Mr . Colbry, f or your
teetimony.
Excuge me, Mr. Colbry, will you stay for a
gecond.
Q. (BY MR. K{IEIJLAIIDER) iluEt one clarification
question. .Lnd tlrank you once again for your testimony.
Ylltren you were talking about the otsh,er
properties that you have and were offering Eome coet
eompariEone, who providee the eervice on those other
propertiee?
A. One of tkrem iE Garden City, the property ttrat
we own in their district.
A. So vrould that be Suez?
A. No. we pay that through Garden City.
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O. Okay. So iE,'e a municipal.
A. At least we are bilLed directly from Garden
Ci ty.
O. OkaY.
A. And the other one is City of Meridian, and we
are billed di.rectly with ttre City of Meridian.
O . Ttrank you.
MR. AIiIDERSON: Thank you very much.
Nexts Iet'e call Bob Perkins. WeLeome.
BOB PERKINS,
firet duly sworn to tell t,he truth relating to eaid
cauge, teetified aE followe:
a. (ay Un. KARPEN) Good ewening, Mr. Perking.
PLeaEe state your na.trle and spell your laEt narne for Ehe
record.
A. My name is Bob Perkins, and Perkins is spelled
P-e-r-k-i-n-s.
A. PLease state your addrees for the record.
A. My address is L2O2O Gamekeeper Dri.ve, Kuna,
Idaho.
A. Are you a cuet,omer of Grouse Point, Water?
A. I am.
A. Wou1d you please provide your Etatement for
ttre record.
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A. Great. $[eII, thank you, Mr. Chairman,
CommLeeioner, for allowing us to come before you today
and talk about, some of the experienceE and what our
thought,s are about the water system.
We moved into our houre baek in 20L3. And when
we moved into it, we didnr ts hawe much knowledge about
ttre water eysEem that was out tlrere, but we goU a faet
exerciee in what it was like real quickly when we moved
in, because the water syetem iE euppJ.ied by a hydrogen
peroxide eystem to a:mend the H2S in ttre water.
WeII, the day we moved in t,ha,t eystsenr f ailed,
and as we are moving in, we were moving into a home that
emelLed and reeked of Eewer. And to my wifers a.mazement,
and aetoniELrment, alre was in tears. Stre ttrouglrt we trad
bought a home that weIl, quite frankly wae going to
be a Lemon for ue. And luckily the H2S syatern went back
online and tlre water wag anended.
Buts ttre quality of the water Le, DEQ
etandard-wiee iE grea,t, it meetE alL the minimr:m
gtandards. But aeetheticalLy, without thats hydrogen
peroxide being introduced in the eystem, its's water you
can I t bat,he in, it' s watser you ean I t drink, and it' e a
qual.ity of wat,er that you juet canrt uee.
Irike Roger, we inetalled a eyatem that in caoe
that hydrogen peroxide system goeo offline again, its
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wiLl Eerve as a backupr Eo it'e aJ.waye continuing to
aurend the water. That, wae at our own expense aE well.
Beyond ttrat, the quaLity of the water, we aleo
think that the rateE that are proposed by Grouee Point
Water Company are exceggive. When we looked around and
did some of <:ur owrl regearch out there about what ottrer
wat,er systeme were ctrargJ.ng, it was conEiderably leEE.
I Ehink we are all in agreement that Grouse
Point Water System probably iE due for an increa.ee, buts
ttre increaEe ttrey are proposingi ig justs way tsoo muctr.
We were etrocked when we Stot ttre Letter tro Eee how much
they were requeeting, and I had to aetuaLly do a
doubl-e - take when I got the Letter in the mail .
The wat.er compaBy and I know the owrner ie
here today, and t,hank you for being trere and listening
to our teetimony. And thie is by no way to baeh the
company or anything Like that.
But, we wouLd Like to maybe, yolr know, if we
are going down tlre road, trying to Look at operating
cogts and what it coete to operate that syetem, we are
only a 24 -home subdivigion, Eo that cost lrag to be epLit
up between 24 lromes.
I wouLd be happy to maybe t,a1k about ways that
we can help reduce your eoets in the future, Eo we can
maybe be able to puts that into the equation of lowering
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what would be a monthly coEt Ehat is being propoeed.
Some of the things that we might be able Eo do
would be to look at smaIl capital expenditureE to be
able to maybe do Eome time-weighted averaging of ttre
eystem by ueing two different welIe that, you have out
there. So that may he1.p you reduce the cogt of that H2S
eye t,em.
Irve algo already puts in my statement
Q. Can I aek you a queetion for cLarification?
A. YeE.
A. Trltren you Eay averaging of tlre welIs, do you
mean mixJ.ng water from the new welL?
A. No. $Ihat f rm talking about ig ueing there
ie a well they had tlrat had uranir.rm in it. DEQ said you
hawe to do sometlring else; you canr t have ttrat weLl aE
your water eyetem. So I think what Grouse Point Water
Syetem did wae they drilled another well to go ahead and
coanply with ttre EPA and DEQ standards. WeIl, ttrats was
the well that has the H2S water.
Illtrat you can do , according to DEQ, i E you can
do time-weighted averaging. So you take the water out
of tstre uraninm eide of the well tstrats doesnrt need to
have ttre H2S to amend it or any of the hydrogen
peroxide to anrend it for a eertain part of the year, ao
Iet's juet aay 5 months out of year. Then they average
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the uranir:m in that water over the courBe of a year to
the EPA standard,. When you get to that standard, then
you switch over to the other weII that haE tha H2S in
it. So that way you get a well that is not having to be
amended and addingr to that operating coe t a la,rge
portion of the time. So it,E one thing to consider.
Also, I wag just going to stay, f already have
a st,atements on record that I submittsed. Ttrere waa quite
a few tromeowners ttrat, euJcmitted reEponEeE to the
proposed rate increase. I trope you've had a chance to
take a look at some of thoEe.
MR. ANDERSON: We have.
THE WITNESS: With t}.at I will be happy to
etsand for any questions
MR. AIIDERSON: Thank you very mueh,
Mr. Perkins.
Arnie Spriggel.
ERNIE SPRIGGEIJ,
firgt duly aworn to telL the truth relating to said
cauae, test,ified aa folLowe:
A. (BY !dR. ITARPEN) Thank you. Can you pleaee
provide your fulI name for the record and spelI your
laEt narle.
A. Arnie Spriggel, S-p-r-i-g-g-e-L. We live at
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L2094 Kittredge.
O. Are you a customer of Grouge Point Water?
A. YeE, we are.
A. Thank you. PLeaee provide your teet,imony for
the record,,
A. Ttrank yorl, gentlemen, for being trere tonight,
traweling aLI tshe way to Kuna for this small meet,ing.
I sent in a letter on Auguet 15th, with 10
pointe that I wanted to point out to the Conuniesion. So
that iE on record. IIm not going tso go into great
det,aiL on all those 10 points, but I will highlight a
few of them.
First of all, we are original tromeownere in
ttre deveLopment. We moved into a. new trome ttrere in
1998. We bought the property from Liea'e father, WaIt
Wanner, and WaLt waE the developer and was the manager
of ttre water Eystem.
From tstrat initial purchaee, we learned f rom
Walt that the eyetem had been built with the intent of
using it alEo for adjacent property that they owned to
the north, and ttrat ttrats wel,l waE owerbuilt for that
purpoee. He was very open that tlre water company waEn t t
reaLly aLl that Eo1vent, and I think Liga can testify to
that, for all these years with that anticipation that,
they would ewentuaLLy be able to uee that owereized
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syetem for a multitude of properties. The famil.y etilI
ownE the property to the north, aE I underEtand.
The eyetem that wag upgraded and ttre weLLg
that were put in were equal in gize to whatsr or greater
even t,tran whats wae there bef ore. And Eo in my mind ttre
capacity to trandLe these additional homee ig stilL there
with the new weII.
And it'E my opinion that the homeownerE, being
only 24 Lromes, eLrouLdnr t be required to pay for a eyetem
t,trat iE overeized, with what I feeL is etilL a cLear
intent at Eome point to uge that syetem for a
development. AE I 6alr the property is still owned by
the fanil.y to ttre north and ttre weLLE Eit, on ttrat
propert,y.
My f iret three comnents I gxresE are in that
regard. I wonrt be able to go into detail on thoee.
You can read ttroee in ter.Elg of what I added to ttrat
comrent.
Cormtent 4 of the 10, I would agk the
Commiesion or your managterE if there was any eoet
cornpariEon. Ttre weLI tstrat waE drilled waE very
e:<pensive, and we didnr ts Eee any coet comparative
infonnation that, ehowed what the correLating uranium
eontamination treatment, would be, if t,hey choee tso t,reat
the uranir-rnr ratlrer tsLran dritl a wtrole new weI1. Arrd I
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wou1d aEk the Conmission if that could be provided. And
did Grouee Point do ite due diLigence in epending the
money for a well vereuE treatingr tshe conta.ninants to
what, I believe, could have been a leEg coatly option.
Item 6, Grouee Point, has ineluded a fee of
$3,700 for outgide eonsultJ.ng for the purpoae of putting
together their requeet. That Eeems exceeEive,
congidering the raw dat,a ie pretty simple in terms of a
etrrall coatmunity of 24, the uaage eactr year, their
expenEea each year you can write otr ttre back of a
napkin.
Item 7, I dontt know what the cuatomary
allowance is for thig percentage retsurn on net rate.
Grotrse Point, is a,aking for LZ percent, wtriclr iE $11,500
per year or 31 percents of the totaL rate requeet for
profit and overhead. Wtren you conEider that their
experrgeg for tLre year are only fi2].,000, Just the sale of,
water, wtren you add another $1L , 0 0 0 f or return otr their
eapital inveetment, it seema that that rate iE too high.
And cro I rve asked for Eome elarif,ication on what might
be allowab1e in that category.
It a.leo E eems that Grouee Point Lras
incorrectLy baeed itE rate height requeet on a declining
capital expenditure. In other words, L2 percenu of
todayre remaining $95,000 of depreciation will be half
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that in 10 yearE. So if the rate increaEe goee through
with that, LZ percent, in 10 yearg it would literally be
half of that. So it aeerrrcr like ttrere oughts to be a
halfway mark that LE factored into that depreciation
ealculation.
Xt wae aleo my underetanding that there was
Eevere leakage iEsueE during the water year of, 2OL3,
wtrich is part of the et,atietic period that tstrey etudied
between 2AL2 and 2015. I've asked that, perhape that
year be taken out of thiE Etatietical analysie to
provide a better baeeline for what was actually used in
the 4 years provided. And aLEo 2OLG was excluded in ttre
etudy, wlrich was a wetter year, which ehould have
reEuLted in lesE water usag6 and leee cost.
L,astly, I Eee no subetantiation of the coet
giwen by Grouse Points Water for ttre BLock 2 rate of $5
per 1,000 gallons for conaumption greater than 8,000.
ObvioueJ.y we are very concerned about the 584
percent increaee. For many of ua ttrat are retired
myself, I have unfortunately a cancer disability it's
very difficult to swaLLow thie kind of increase on a
fixed income. And Eo I wouLd appreciate your
grentlemerarE diligence in rewiewing tstrese figures. Ttrank
you.
MR . AIIDERSON: Queetions ?
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A. (BY MR. K,TELLAIIDER) ilugt one queetsion. It
may not be eomething that you know the anEwer to. But
if the adjaeent property that ie glated for poaeible
future developurent that might, be able to utilize aoule of
the water fron the wells and an extengion ttren of
additional cuetomers eoming in, do you know
approxinately or have you heard how many lots thats you
would be looking trE, potent,ial homes that would be
incLuded in that t)6le of development,? You are at 24
cuetomerE now. Tlhat ie the potsential? And if you donr t
know, that'g f ine.
A . Vlle1l , WaL t indi cated i t could be as mueh aE
two to ttrree timeE ttre annount of trouEeE that we lrave.
So in my Letster I Eaid on ttre order of 40. Ttrere ig 50
acres there. Grouge Point Le built on 30 acreE, 24
homes on an acre and tlren ttre roade and facilitieE uge
up 30 acreE.
So they I ve 9ot , I bel j.eve , in exceEg of 50 , Eo
that would be double the homes, Et leaet on the
property. LiEa could maybe provide better inforrration
otr the eize of ttrat. I meant to look on Google Earth
and try to get an idea of the exact aize, but it'E at
leaet two timee bigger than our eubdivieion. And that
waB kind of in line with the worde WaIt uEed early on,
in termE of Lris wiEion of furtstrer development.
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A. iluet one other queet,ion, Ae far aE waEer
preeaure is concerned, ie that fairly decent?
A. You know, it's wariabLe. We have people in
and around us that have bettser water preeaure than we
do. I dontt have eufficient water preEsure to run my
yard sprinklera . I haven' t had ttrem on for yeare
beeauee I don! t trawe enough presaure to run t,hose. Ag
far aE the houeehold is concerned, itte fine. ?ile juets
rely on the irrigation water to do our eprinkling.
A. lrltrat, ie ttre eize of the Lotse that you liwe on
now. Are they an acre?
A. Eaeh of uE have juet under or juet over an
acre r )I€EI .
MR. K{IELTLANDER: Ttrankg .
MR. ADiIDERSON: Thank you for your teetimony,
Mr. Spriggel .
CaII Mary Stevens, pleaee.
MS. STEVENS: Can I a.ek a question? I,m not
aure I'm eLigibJ.e to comment on thie. fE this water,
this rate inereaEe onLy in regard to a certain section
of Kuna or is it overall?
MR. ATiIDERSON: It is only for GrorrEe point.
MR. KARPEN: Customers of Grouse Point Water.
MS. STEVENS: So it's not through the City of
Kuna? Then I ehouldn't cornment becauEe I rm not in that
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area.
MR. ATiIDERSON: Thank you for eoming though.
MR. KiIEL,LAIiIDER: We can get you their address
ttrougtr.
MR . AIIDERSON: Aaron Leuck . Welcome . Come
get aworn in, pleaee.
AARON LEUCK,
first duly Eworn to telL ttre truttr relating to said
cauEe, testsified aE followe:
A. (BY MR. KARPEN) Thank you. Good evening,
Mr. Leuck. Can you pleaee giwe us your name and spe1I
your laet for the reeord.
A. My narrre iE Aaron tetrck, L-e-u-c-k.
Q. Can you state your addrees.
A. rtrE 11940 Kittredge.
Q. Are you a cugtomer of GrouEe Foint Water?
A. I €rm.
A, Can you pLeaee provide your testimony for the
record.
A. Yeah. Firet, I would Like to thank you guys
for coming out and the Wanners for coming out. We have
met wi th the Wanners a couple t,imes , and i t t e always
been eordial. I like ttrem.
My big concern a lot of the things would be
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the Eane aE the other teetinonies. I think about resale
of ttre houEe. I rm not perfect on my calculatione, but
Irn thinking we are about, if that wae the total, lika 5
tineg the coEt of United Water. Arrd I think peopJ.e
comingr outs to look aE your houee to buy it would go:
Your water bill ie how much? And that etarts making me
think, do I need to look at putting in a well tso make
E ure tstrat doegn ! t become an iesue for me.
l, Like ttre ottrer customerE, have put in a
syeteur to get rid of the H2S. Thoee werenrt cheap. I
think they ran u6 about 2 grand. .Artd, like I gaid, moet
of ttre ottrer tlringrs hawe been touctred on.
MR. ^AIiIDERSON: Thank you. Any questionE?
l{le dontt have anybody elsa eigmed up.
Ie there anybody that wishee to teetif,y? Thie
iE your chance to be part of the record. If not
MR. Kr.TEL,LAIiIDER: I thinlc the matter is ful1y
submitted. But it would probabLy be eustornary though to
aIlow you, if t,tre clrair*ran EeeE fit, to aLlow us untiL
Friday to Let you aE cuEtomers provide any additional
written coutsrents ttrat you might want to make in caee
t,here ig something that you wanted to additionalJ.y add
tso the reeord. We can leave the record open until
Friday. And once we hit that cloEure of, ttre record,
ttren we can of f icially begin to deliberate.
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So that'e why it I E important for us to kind of
put together that deadline. But it'g to the chairmanrE
digcretion if he would like to alLow for an exteneion of
time to aLlow for Eome additional written corurente to be
gnJrmitted to the Corurieeion.
MR. AIiIDERSON: It ehould be by 5:00 on Friday,
elosing time of the office.
I juet would like to extend my appreciation
for the courtesiee ehowrr to one another on each eide of
tshie, the water company. That,re important to ue. It
hag a lot more weight,. TtIe all have neigh.bora, we need
to Learn to live witl- one another more and more in this
world. I think itre good that we do that.
So wittr ttrat, one laet offer, if anybody
wiEtree to speak.
Thank you very mueh would you like to
speak?
MS . IJEUCK: Maybe I would, just brief J.y on th,e
introduction of thiE wtrole eyetem.
MR. KiIEI"L,AIiIDER: Come on up . And don I t be
nervoue. Thie is aB cl.oee to a Norman Rockwell painting
a.s w€! gets.
TENNIFER LEUCK,
firet duly 6worn to tell the truth relating to Eaid
cauge, teetified aE followe:
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Q. (BY MR. I(ARPEN) Will you please state your
name and spell your last narle for the record.
A. ItsrE ilennifer Leuck, and itrE l"-e-u-c-k.
Q. What iE your addreee?
A. Itre 11940 West Kittredge.
Q. Are you a cuetsomer of Grouee Foint Water?
A. Yee.
A. Pl,eaee provide your teetimony f or the record.
A. So we moved into Grouse Point in L997 r Bo !tr6
were maybe tshe third trouee in the subdiwision. Arrd I
relnember ttre uraniunr very weII, and I remember ttrat
procesE that we went through.
we met with walt. slalt, had anoth,er meeting
wittr our subdiwision. Becanrge of the uranium iegrre, Ite
had an engineer involved with working on that, along
with the DEQ in eneuring that we were getting good
water. .end Ehat was a proceae that t,ook Eevera} yeare
in the making, of ttre DEQ trying to get WaIt to be in
compliance with our watser.
At the time I had very young twing and my
hueband had cancer aE wellr Bo when I was hearing
uranirrm, that was definitely wha,t wag on my mind.
And I think that, Tlalt, I talked with trim aft^er
the meeting, he was very cordial, vetry nice, very nice.
And he did mention his big system, aE far aB extending
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out that lot for more growth in the future. He had
mentioned thats to me ats that, meeting aftsenyarde.
At that time me and Nicki Lrowe, another
neighbor, had talked to the neighbors aa wel}, What do
we need to do about thiE uraniurn? And I know it waE
digcuesed to either dril1 a new well wag discuEsed aa
an optsion. Another option wag Lo have a fiLtration
eyetem in eaeh houee that would filt,er out the uranium.
The DEQ eaid aB long aE we had no compliance
issuee with that being tested, then that wouLd be a
cheaper option that we could go to through the
errbdivi eion .
Wtren ttre weLl c€raler w€ trad no idea, other tlran
we Ea$r equipment orrt tstrere and ttrey deeided ttrat t,tre
well muet have been the beet opt,ion, and Eo that is what
they went with.
So f juet kind of wantsed to give you a Little
bit more of ttrat background before we got to the point
where we were at. When we did geE, the new water, like
everyone eaid, its waE, ttre gme1l wae Like Yellowetone.
So if you imagine that. The Eu1fur wae very strong.
And washing laundryr forrr clottree stuek, yorr etunk. I t
was not enJoyable.
So we did end up going and putsting in a carbon
filtratsion syetem to e1.eanEe out that smel}. And tshen
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we added in reveree osmoeie aE well to our eyatem, juet
to enaure that we weren' ts getting any other bad watser in
our ayatem. I t,hink more f or the Eense of I was
worrying about the heaLth of my famiJ.y.
And at that point juet uranium wag the only
thing they were checking, besidee moatly, right, LE
what you checked for your baeic? Uranir:m and tlren
bacteria coliform, And Bo th.at wae juet extra
protection for ue, I thought, for the reverEe oemoeig.
But I juet kind of wanted to give you a littLe
bit rnore of that background and wlrere we are at. I do
underEtand that it t e an expeneive syetem; with 24 houses
Lt'E a litt1e hard to break that piece up. So hopefulLy
we can come through to an underatanding that wiJ.l work
f,or everyone. Obwiouely, nots everyone iE cool with it.
But that,le all, f juet wanted to kind of give
you that background prior to the point that this new
welL was in. Ttrank you.
A. (BY MR . A.LIDERSON) Ma I a,m, j uEts a quick
question.
The earbon filter and the osmoeie eyetem you
put in, does it actsually effectiveIy take aLJ. of ttrose
concerns away? Is ttre odor grone?
A. Somet,imes . ?l!?rat I see more of ten, where t,he
probJ.em ig, is if we have eitting water. So I waE told
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when I had taLked to, maybe it waE the DEQ, becauEe I
had talked to the DEQ eeveral. timee ae weII, that it's a
bacteria. There is a bacteria wit,h the eulfur.
f don't know. Irm looking ats yoLr, Tom,
becauEe f rm thinking t,hat and Eo like that sitting
water, that bacteria etarts growing again, and because
tlrere ig sulfites and eulfatee, and lrm not sure, I,m
not a chemietry major, but, they eaid that the bacteria
then can grow and cauee that smelL aB weII.
So in my laundry , Lf I hawen I t done the
Laundry for a couple daye, I wiLl Emell sometimee the
initial runningl through of what that eitting water wag
in the waehing machine, it will eometimes have a Little
bit of that gme1I. Brrts for tstre most part, Lf I'm
conEistently using a faucet, or eomething Like that, it
doee a pretty good job.
MR. AIiIDERSON: Thank you very much.
THE WITNESS: Yorr are welcome.
MR. AIIDERSON: And you did very well.
THE WITNESS: Thank you.
MR. AIiIDERSON: Okay. No one else?
Your testimony here tonight will become pa,rt
of the reeord, And seeing no other busineee before us
tonight, rr€ are adj ourned.
(Meet,ingr adjourned at "l:39 p.m.)
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REPORTER I S CERTIFICAEE
l, BEVERIJY A. BEN{IAIIIN, CSR No. 710, Certified
Shorthand Reporter, certify:
That the foregoing proceedingre were taken before
me at the time and place therein Eet forttr, at which
time the witneeaee were put under oath;
Thats the teEEimony and aLl obJectione made were
recorded Etenographically by rne and tranEcribed by me or
under my direction;
That the foregoing ie a tsrue and eorrect record
of aL1 teetimony given, to t,he beEt of my ability;
I furt,her cerEify that I am not a relative or
employee of any attorney or party, nor Eun I financially
intereeted in the action.
IN WITNESS WIIEREOE, I set my hand and eeal thie
13th day of Septernber, 2017 .
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Boise, Idaho 8370L-2636
My commieEion expires May 28, 20L9.
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T. BEVERLY A. BENJAMIN. CSR No. 710. Certified
Shorthand Reporter, certify:
That the foregoing proceedings were taken before
me at the time and place therein set forth, dt which
time the witness was put under oath by me;
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