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BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION
OF PACI FICORP DBA ROCKY MOUNTAIN
POWER FOR APPROVAL OF CHANGES TO
ITS ELECTRIC SERVICE SCHEDULES
Case No. PAC-E-10-07
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COMMISSIONER MARSHA H. SMITH (Presiding)
COMMISSIONER JIM KEMPTON
COMMISSIONER MACK REDFORD
Place:Franklin County Fairgrounds
Robinson Building
186 West Second North
Preston, Idaho
Date:
Time:
December 15, 2010
7:00 p.m.
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BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION E X H I BIT S
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1 PROCEEDINGS
2 COMMISSIONER SMITH: This is the time
3 and place set for a public hearing before the Idaho
4 Public Uti~ies Commission in Case No. PAC.E.10.07,
5 further identified as In the Matter of the Application
6 of PacifiCorp doing business as Rocky Mountain Power
7 for Approval of Changes to ~s Electric Service
8 Schedules.
9 My name is Marsha Smith. I'm one of the
10 three commissioners, and I'LL be chairing tonight's
11 hearing. On my left is Commissioner Jim Kempton,
12 who's also the president of the Commission, and on my
13 right is Commissioner Mack Redford. The three of us
14 are your state public util~ies commission and the
15 persons who wil be making the decision in this case.
16 I want to recognize our state senator Bob
17 Geddes, who is w~h us tonight, and state
18 representative Tom Loertscher who is also there.
19 Welcome to the hearing. They've been with us all day,
20 so they'll be w~h us all night.
21 We'll now take appearances from the
22 parties. For the company.
23 MR. SOLANDER: Yes. Daniel Solander, I'm
24 the attorney for Rocky Mountain Power. And i have
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IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION
OF PACIFICORP DBA ROCKY MOUNTAIN
POER FOR APPROVAL OF CHAGES TO
ITS ELECTRIC SERVICE SCHEDULES
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I Case No. PAC-E-IO-07
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HEARING BEFORE:
COMMISSIONER MASHA H. SMITH (Presiding)
COMMISSIONER JIM KEPTON
COMMISSIONER MACK REDFORD
Place: Franklin County Fairgrounds
Robinson Building186 West 2nd North
Preston, Idaho
Date: December 15, 2010
Time: 7:00 p.m.
Crystal Hereford,
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APPEARANCES
For the Company:
DANIEL E. SOLANDER, ESQ.
201 South Main Street
Suite 2300
Salt Lake City, Utah 84111
For Conuission Staff:
NEIL PRICE. ESQ.
Deputy Attorney General
472 West Washington Street
Boise, Idaho 83729
Also Present:
Ted Weston
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Budget Suiary - Barbara Taylor
Statement - Melvin E. Beutler
Statement - Shelley Cambell
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1 to consider a rate increase when ~ comes to us. Our
2 job is to balance the interests of you the public with
3 those of the util~. So we don' have the option or
4 the luxury of just saying no. We are required by law
5 to allow util~ies to recover pruently incurred
6 expenses and to have the opportun~ to earn a
7 reasonable return on their investment.
8 We may deny recovery of util~ requests
9 if they fail to provide adequate evidence to support
10 their expend~ures.
11 Information about the many issues that
12 are, some of them, very complex in this case can be
13 found on our website at ww.puc.idaho.gov. There may
14 also be summaries of testimony or other information by
15 the parties in the back of the room.
16 After the record is closed, the
17 commission wil deliberate the merits of the case and
18 issue a wr~en order that describes our decision and
19 describes the evidence we relied upon to make that
20 decision. Because - that is necessary because
21 commission orders are appealed directly to our state
22 supreme court.
23 So we're very pleased to be here to
24 listen to your testimony and your concerns.
25 And if you decide to do written comments
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1 manager.
2 MR. PRICE: Neil Price, Deputy Attorney
3 General. i represent commission staff.
4 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. I'm just
5 going to take a moment to describe our hearing
6 process. A commission hearing is similar to a
7 district court proceeding. Commission decisions have
8 to be based on evidence that's in a written record,
9 and so we have a court reporter here tonight who wil
10 take down all the statements that are made as
11 testimony to the commission.
12 Therefore, ~ is very important that on~
13 one person speak at a time. So the court reporter
14 can't handle more that one person at a time. It is
15 not appropriate to speak out of turn, call out from
16 the audience, clap, or in any other way to disrupt our
17 hearing.
18 We are here to listen to your statements,
19 and, unfortunately, our procedure doesn't.. is not a
20 process where we answer questions or make comments.
21 I think i speak for all of us when I say
22 that we are very much aware of the current state of
23 the economy and the burden that significant additional
24 rate increases place on customers. This is a
25 significant case, and we take it very seriously, as we
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1 do. all the work - as we do all of the work that we
2 have to do.
3 Our procedure for tonight is that if you
4 wish to testify, we will call you in the order in
5 which you signed up on the sign.up sheets, which were
6 at the door as you came in. I wil call your name,
7 and you wil come forward. Commissioner Kempton wil
8 ask you to raise your right hand and give you the oath
9 where you promise to tell us the truth. Then
10 Mr. Price has two questions for you. He wil ask you
11 your name, and he will ask you to spell it, and then
12 we wil ask for your mailing address. And that is to
13 get you properl into the record for identification.
14 Once you've been identified, then you're free to make
15 your statement to the commission.
16 Vlen you're finished, there may be
17 clarifying questions from either the parties or from
18 the commissioners.
19 If you do not wish to make a public
20 statement oral~ tonight, you may use the wr~en form
21 that's in the back ofthe room to submit a writtn
22 comment. Or if ~'s more convenient, you may also
23 send us comments online, and there is a form online
24 forthat.
25 The commission is required by state law
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1 instead of oral, then would you please be sure you
2 have that sent to us by next Monday. Next Monday
3 night we're doing a telephonic hearing for people who
4 couldn' attend one of our public hearings in person
5 so they can call in and give us their comments, and
6 after that the record in this case wil be closed.
7 So with that, i'll start with our first
8 name on our list, which is Don Christensen, and he'll
9 be followed by Jeanette Christensen.
10 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: On the swearing
11 in, some of you may be a little concerned when I say
12 "the truth and nothing but the truth." The concern
13 that we saw up in Grace was that some were concerned
14 that they don't know if it's real~ the truth or not.
15 They just read ~ in the papers.
16 Well, as far as we're concerned, if
17 that's the truth as best you know ~, we're not going
18 to quibble over technical~ies. Vlat we're trying to
19 get at is the evidence that you understand to the best
20 of your knowledge, and so when I give the oath and ask
21 that you tell the truth to the best - to swear that
22 you're tellng the truh, that's the caveat that I
23 want to give you before you do that right up front.
24 So who was ~ that's coming up?
25 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Don Christensen.
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1 COMMISSIONER SMITH: We really appreciate
2 your comments, Ms. Christensen.
3 MS. CHRISTENSEN: Thank you.
4 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you.
5 We have Krissy Hinckley, wh would be
6 followed by Mario - is that a J? Jimersn? Thank
7 you.
8 KRISSY HINCKLEY WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
9 REGIE RAWLINGS WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
10 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Whoever is going
11 to go first-
12 MS. HINCKLEY: Oh, I am.
13 MR. PRICE: Okay. State your name and
14 spell it, please.
15 MS. HINCKLEY: Krissy Hinckley.
16 K.R.I.S.S.Y, H.I.N-C-K.L.E.Y.
17 MR. PRICE: And where do you live?
18 MS. HINCKLEY: 117 West 80 South in
19 Preston.
20 MR. PRICE: Go ahead.
21 MS. HINCKLEY: Okay. So we've been
22 talking a lot in class about this increase that they
23 want to put in, and also, I went home and talked to my
24 fami~ about~. And my family was kind of upset
25 about ~ because right now, as you know, our economy
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1 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Mr. Christensen.
2 COMMISSIONER SMITH: If you really didn't
3 intend to testify and you mistakenly signed in, you
4 can tell us that too.
5 We don't see - Don or Jeanette
6 Christensen?
7 MS. CHRISTENSEN: I'm Jeanette. He's
8 going to pass.
9 COMMISSIONER SMITH: All right. Don
10 passes. That's fine.
11 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Just come right up
12 here, and then turn facing me for a minute.
13 JEANETIE CHRISTENSEN WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
14 MR. PRICE: Go ahead and grab the
15 microphone, and stand behind the lectern or wherever
16 you'd like.
17 MS. CHRISTENSEN: Okay.
18 MR. PRICE: State and spell your name.
19 MS. CHRISTENSEN: J.E.A.N.E.T.T.E,
20 C.H.R-I-S.T.E-N.S.E.N.
21. MR. PRICE: And what is your mailng
22 address?
23 MS. CHRISTENSEN: 893 South 800 East in
24 Preston.
25 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
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1 MS. CHRISTENSEN: This past year we
2 decided to .. because of all the advertising they've
3 had - to change our refrgerator. And when we did
4 that, ~ didn't really help as far as the power was
5 concerned, as far as the price rate was concerned.
6 The usage did go up. And then we decided that we
7 needed to put more insulation in the ceilng of our
8 house, which we did, and that didni help the price go
9 down either.
10 So the things that we have had done
11 should have done something about that, but I don't
12 feel like that ~ has done. So I'm wondering if the
13 propaganda they put out as far as the rate increase ..
14 decreasing if you did some of those things was real~
15 the truth or not.
16 But that's what our s~uation has been,
17 that we can see that the - can't see any less power
18 usage with doing those things. And that would be all
19 I had.
20 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. Thank you for
21 your statement. I don't know what to say except maybe
22 compare the weather and see if ~ was colder this year
23 than last.
24 MS. CHRISTENSEN: No. It was colder last
25 year than this year.
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1 isn't doing so well. And already w~h people losing
2 their jobs and wih the homes - they're losing their
3 homes. They're losing lots of things that before -
4 because of our economy.
5 And so I think - I have seen like kind
6 of the reasons, because we also had someone from Rocky
7 Mountain Power come and present. And i can see that
8 they - you know, they may have some reasons. But I
9 never really saw a reason why they need it more than
10 we need money now. Because we're in such a bad year
11 this year, I don't think that their reasons are truly
12 fair.
13 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. Thank you.
14 MR. PRICE: Go ahead and state and spell
15 your name.
16 MS. RAWLINGS: Regie Rawlings, R.E.G.I.E,
17 R.A.W.L.I.N.G.S.
18 MR. PRICE: And where do you live?
19 MS. RAWLINGS: 49 East Main, Franklin,
20 Idaho.
21 MR. PRICE: Go ahead.
22 MS. RAWLINGS: I understand that Rocky
23 Mountain Power needs an increase due to increased
24 prices of windmils and steel, but they don't need as
25 big of an increase as they are asking for. Right now
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1 K.H.Y.L.E.I.G.H, B.R.O.W.N.
2 MR. PRICE: And where do you live?
3 MS. BROWN: I live at 173 South 60 East
4 in Preston.
5 Okay. So I would like to share my
6 opinion on the proposed rate increase from Roc
7 Mountain Power. I personally believe that this
8 request is very unfair because where the rates in
9 Idaho are already very above the average, we should be
10 considering more effective but less expensive
11 alternatives.
12 Unfortunate~, this power increase, like
13 the rates increasing, is going to continue. They're
14 going to keep wanting to increase our rates no matter
15 how much farther down the road, and it's going to
16 affect my lifetime and my children's lifetime.
17 But in conclusion, I just strongly
18 believe that we should find an alternative that will
19 be very effective but less costly. Thank you.
20 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you,
21 Ms. Brown.
22 After Mr. Womack, we'll hear from Jim
23 Gilbert.
24 LYNN WOMACK WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
25 MR. WOMACK: My name is Lynn Womack,
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1 they're asking for 9.6 percent, but they only really
2 need 3 percent. So that's an extra 6.6 percent of our
.3 money that they don't real~ need, but they just want
4 it for themselves.
5 And the Rocky Mountain Power
6 representative that came to talk to us the other day,
7 he said that he knew that their company wasn~ going
8 to get the increase they wanted. So why would they
9 ask for that big of an increase? Is it just to see
10 how much money they can get? Are they just trying to
11 rob us of our money?
12 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you for your
13 testimony.
14 Mario - I think ~'s a J .. Jimerson.
15 MR. JIMERSON: Yeah.
16 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Yes, sir. Thank
17 you. He wil be followed by Khyleigh Brown.
18 MARIO JIMERSON WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
19 MR. PRICE: Please state and spell your
20 name.
21 MR. JIMERSON: My name is Mario Jimerson,
22 M.A.R.I.O, J.I.M.E.R.S-O-N. My address is 2977 East
23 Highway 36 in Preston. It's out in Riverdale.
24 It's not really so much a question, but
25 what little bit of information i have read is that
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1 some of this money that is being asked by the
2 utilties is for power for windmils in Oregon and
3 California. If that's true, I don't know. My
4 question would be, Wny would we want to pay money for
5 something that's not happening here in Idaho?
6 These people here are ranchers, students,
7 farmers, businessmen, and the economy is bad right
8 now. And I myself, I'm retired from the Air Force.
9 But this b~ of a rate increase I find out of this
10 world. These people have other responsibil~ies. And
11 that's why they're here. This is a big group of
12 people, and they're concerned.
13 And so my question is, Wny are we paying
14 for something that's going out of this state and we're
15 not benefiting? That's all I've got to say.
16 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you,
17 Mr. Jimerson, for your testimony.
18 Khyleigh Brown, to be followed by Lynn
19 Womack.
20 KHYLEIGH BROWN WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
21 MS. BROWN: Okay. Good evening, ladies
22 and gentleman.
23 MR. PRICE: First, can you just state and
24 spell your name?
25 MS. BROWN: My name is Khyleigh Brown,
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1 L-Y-N-N, W.O.M.A.C.K
2 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Womack, if you
3 would stand behind the podium, I think the court
4 reporter would be able to hear you better.
5 MR. WOMACK: Okay. My address is
6 1863 East 4800 South in Franklin.
7 I would like to address most~, I think,
8 the time.of.use increase, a~hough all of the increase
9 concerns me. But probably near~ 20 years ago when
10 Rocky Mountain Power -- I think ~ was Utah Power at
11 that time - offered that a~ernative, they said that
12 the reason they were doing that was to tr to even out
13 the usage of electricity during off and on-peak times,
14 which would decrease the need for more generation
15 capacity and so on.
16 And, of course, I decided to try that
17 because I thought maybe ~ would save money for me as
18 well. During the past 20 years we've been fairly
19 successful~ at doing that. In fact, we've used
20 probab~ nearly 75 percent of our power on the
21 off.peak time compared to about 25 percent on the
22 on.peak. That's been a good savings for us.
23 But ~ concerns me that they want to
24 increase the time-of-use rates as much more than they
25 are their other residential rates. It seems like that
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1 up and just keep going.
2 So I run a - I raise beef cattle, and I
3 have a cow.calf operation. And we bring the calves
4 from New Barn up to Fats, and then we take them to -
5 usually to Miler's to market them. And right now,
6 that price is up good. The price last week - I took .
7 a load down, and ~ was $1.60 a pound for hanging
8 weight, which is - I've never seen ~ that high
9 before.
10 So ~ probably won't last very long.
11 It'll been done here before we know, and the price
12 wil be back down, just like milk's done. And it
13 comes up a little bit when things come up, but ~
14 seems like they sure have a hard time dropping.
15 And I see all the cement the last year or
16 so go by headed for Downey to fix and make this new
17 substation that the power company is putting
18 together. And, by golly, there's just lots and lots
19 of money involved there. So I guess these things are
20 real pricey.
21 But also, as you look around, there's a
22 lot of people - and you look at Sa~ Lake City, you
23 look at Ogden and Logan and .. well, not Logan
24 particularly. But all these people that live in these
25 areas all have hookups to PacifiCorp, so there's got
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1 is taking away that incentive to do that, which they
2 persuaded me to do because it was going to cause them
3 to have less need for generation capac~ and other
4 types of things that they would have to invest in.
5 Now, I know that they're saying they need
6 this increase because they are doing just that.
7 They're building generation capacity. They're
8 building transmission lines. They're doing
9 infrastructure kinds of things that are costing a lot
10 of money.
11 It seems that now would be the time to
12 encourage people to use off.peak power rather than
13 discourage them by raising the rates higher on that
14 one than on any other. And so I would like to speak
15 against that proposaL.
16 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. Any
17 questions? Thank you very much.
18 Jim Gilbert.
19 JIM GILBERT WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
20 MR. GILBERT: Jim Gilbert, J.I.M,
21 G.I-L.B.E.R.T. I live at 68 East 48 South,
22 Preston.
23 Okay. The thing I was concerned about is
24 they have talked about wanting over a 10 percent
25 increase in rates. And we get looking at commodities
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1 we buy and things we need to farm with, and they just
2 keep going up and keep going up.
3 Take, for instance, corn seed for one
4 good example. It wasn't very many years ago you could
5 buy a bag of corn seed for $40, and now, by golly,
6 it's up to $20 a bag. Last year, some of ~ was $240
7 a bag. And you look at all these corn seed companies,
8 and they've all been bought out by Dow Chemical and
9 DuPont and all these different big chemical outfits,
10 and they just keep stacking this stuff on and making
11 it more expensive.
12 Well, I got a note from the Social
13 Secur~ the other day, and they said that they're not
14 going to raise our Social Security because there's not
15 been any increase in inflation, that everything is
16 just hunky-dory. And how come all these things keep
17 going up? Wny do we need rate increases if things are
18 not - if we don't have any inflation?
19 You go to town and look at all this new
20 equipment. Man, it looks nice unti you look at the
21 price of the stuff, and ~'ii take you 40 years to pay
22 for something like that. And as a result, all the
23 equipment I have is stuff that is ready to go into the
24 relic hall. And people would just love ~, you know,
25 because it's so old. But we try and keep ~ patched
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1to be a lot of money coming in. And if we could just
2 regulate it carefully so we didn't have to raise
3 things so high so quick, i think ~ would be really
4 good. Thank you.
5 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you for your
6 testimony.
7 Demar Romrell, to be followed by Cal
8 Kunz.
9 DEMAR ROMRELL WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
10 MR. ROMRELL: Demar Romrell, D-E-M.A.R,
11 R.O-M.R.E-L-L.
12 MR. PRICE: Wnere do you live?
13 MR. ROMRELL: 60 Pegram Road,
14 Montpelier, Idaho.
15' MR. PRICE: Thank you.
16 MR. ROMRELL: I came tonight because I'd
17 been contacted by several elderly individuals in our
18 area who were concerned because of not only low income
19 but set incomes who are struggling now because of
20 being able to pay their medical expenses or
21 prescription drugs and be able to pay their power
22 bils. And three individual cases or individuals that
23 I had visited with in the last week and a half,
24 wearing heavy coats and a very cold atmosphere, very
25 unconducive to comfortable living.
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1 control costs. I take exception to that for three
2 reasons. The wind farms being bum, according to the
3 reading I've done, are extremely ineffcient. Second,
4 the advertising I see the power company do on
5 television, vastly cost~. Wny would they need to
6 advertise at all? It's not like we can buy the power
7 from someone else. They don' need to encourage us to
8 use more for heaven's sakes. I think that's a
9 squandering of the monies they're taking in.
10 I'm sorry. That's~. I've lostthe
11 third point I was going to make. Thank you very much
12 for your time.
13 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Well, those are good
14 points, and I just want to assure you that the
15 commission excludes from rates any monies we find
16 spent on corporate image advertising or lobbying. So
17 hopefully, none of that gets into your rates. Thank
18 you, sir.
19 John Brough, followed by Dr. Barbara
20 Taylor.
21 JOHN BROUGH WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
22 MR. BROUGH: My name is John Brough,
23 B.R.O.U.G.H, 216 South 3rd East, Preston.
24 I go along with what Cal just said about
25 the cost of their equipment. If you ever look at the
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1 I vis~ed - or went to the meeting in
2 Montpelier when Montpelier .. or when Monsanto made
3 their plea, and they did an excellent job. And we
4 recognize that if there's a high energy rate passed on
5 to them, that probably they wil be competing with
6 China on Roundup.
7 I use a lot of Roundup and wil be using
8 a lot more in the next five years, and I can imagine
9 what that's going to do to my personal operation.
10 I guess I'm more concerned about set
11 income individuals and low income. I believe ~'s
12 going to be a detrimental effect on their lives and
13 their abil~ to, you know, actually survive.
14 I want totell just one instant out of
15 the three. An elderly gentleman had a 500 cow mother
16 ranch and - a very good manager and lived very
17 conservatively all of his life. And when i went there
18 the other day, he was carrying a cane in one hand and
19 a stick of wood in the other hand. i knew that his
20 home when he built it was probab~ Utah Power & Light,
21 and it was Gold Medallon.
22 And i told him, Henry, why don't you qu~
23 packing the wood at your age and just go back to
24 electric heat? And he said, I cannot --I just can't
25 affrd to do~. And i noticed all of his other rooms
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1 were closed off. His bed was moved into his living
2 room.
3 And i just feel that it's going to be a
4 great hardship on many individuals. Thank you.
5 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very much
6 for your testimony.
7 Cal Kunz, followed by John Brough.
8 CAL KUNZ WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
9 MR. PRICE: Please state and spell your
10 name, sir.
11 MR. KUNZ: My name is Cal Kunz, K.U-N-Z.
12 I live at 2267 South.. excuse me, 2267 East
13 800 South. i hope i can find my way home in the fog
14 tonight.
15 MR. PRICE: In what city?
16 MR. KUNZ: Preston.
17 MR. PRICE: Preston. Thank you.
18 MR. KUNZ: I've got tw points to make.
19 First, I understand a fair and reasonable rate of
20 return for the investors in any organization.
21 However, in excess of 10 percent return when most of
22 us, if we have any money to invest, are happy to get
23 1 or 2 percent, the 10 percent plus is ridiculous.
24 The second point I'd like to make is the
25 power company I~erature says they're working hard to
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1 Utah Power trucks, they certainly look all brand new.
2 I mean, boy, they got the best equipment and four or
3 five men riding around in them.
4 Now, about a month ago or less we had
5 three power outages in three days in this commun~.
6 Two times at the hospital. And when I woke up
7 Saturday morning to go out and get the paper at 8:55,
8 the transformer 300 feet from my house, the part over
9 there by the gul~ by the high school, blew up. And
10 lights flickered, went off, come back on. About 30
11 minutes later, I was reading the paper and another one
12 blew up.
13 And i kept looking out the window waiting
14 to see when Utah Power was going to arrive. Well,
15 about 30 minutes later they final~ got a truck back
16 there, and they spent all day going back and forth
17 frm that gul~ and back and forth and back and
18 forth.
19 And I even called in, and final~ at one
20 time they told me, Well, if you leave your number,
21 we'll call you when we have the thing back on. Well,
22 a couple hours they called back and left a message on
23 the recorder that the power was on. The power wasn'
24 on. So I called back to tell them. The lady says,
25 Oh, well, we just had ~ all automated, and you were
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1 have a lot better deaL.
2 The one time we had a guy here, didn't
3 know what was happening, so they fired him. Well,
4 they brought a guy down from Rexburg named Ryan
5 Hobley, and he came down here and straightened up this
6 organization down here. He was so good they
7 transferred him to - he's been down there. Now he's
8 so good they transferred him to Sa~ Lake. They ought
9 to make him president of this company, and then they
10 could have a good company.
11 Now, I don't how many of you know Ryan
12 Hoblèy. Is there anybody here that knew Ryan Hobley
13 when he was here? Excellent gentleman. Got things
14 done. Got things done. I could go on, but I guess
15 there's a time limit.
16 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Well, we ,want you to
17 be respectful of the others who have signed up, and ..
18 MR. BROUGH: Okay.
19 COMMISSIONER SMITH: - we'd appreciate
20 if you'd address your comments to -
21 MR. BROUGH: There's another thing I have
22 to bring up real quick that had to do with me. '
23 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Well, we'd
24 appreciate ~ if you'd address your comments to us.
25 Thank you.
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1 considered in the same block.
2 And if you know, the grocery store was
3 running out that day, and so they had to reroute the
4 power. Instead of going through Preston by the high
5 school, they went around the other way and gave them
6 at least power temporarily.
7 Of course, Utah Power's idea is we don'
8 fix anything until it's broken.
9 And I think that the rate increase needs
10 to be given to people here in this community where the
11 power is generated. Oh, they don't have enough
12 generation, but they're sending ~ to Oregon, and
13 they're sending it to California, but they don't have
14 enough.
15 They built this whole big thing out there
16 outside of Downey so they can send all the power from
17 the substation up here out there - or I mean the dam,
18 out to Downey, and then they can send ~ down to Utah
19 on that new line they just built down there .. I think
20 called the Polus (sic) line.
21 Well, today I got this paper and this big
22 ad in our local paper here, and it's got so many
23 crooked things said jn here about~. The first thing
24 I want to bring up is - i don't know if any of you
25 have seen it, but ~ was in today's paper. They say
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1 that the rates here that we're paying are 8.42 cents a
2 kilowatt.
3 Well, I looked at my bil, and during the
4 summer I'm paying 11.3 cents a kilowatt. And right
5 now, in the fall, I'm paying 9.7. Well, that didn'
6 add up. I'm paying more than what they're saying
7 we're paying.
8 And they said that they need .. to cover
9 their cost they need 9.24 cents a kilowatt. Well, I'm
10 already paying that, so I guess I don't need to have
11 an increase because I'm already paying more than what
12 they say they need. And I've got my bil right here
13 in front of me if they want to question~. I just
14 paid ~ today.
15 In Idaho Falls they pay 42 percent less
16 than what we pay for power. In Pocatello they pay
17 24 percent. In Twin Falls they pay 46 percent. In
18 Boise they pay 12.7 percent less. Wny? Because they
19 have Idaho Power. Idaho Falls has their own. The
20 rest of them have Idaho Power.
21 At one time when they went from Utah
22 Power and sold out to PacifiCorp, we were told that
23 this could be an option, that they could have gone
24 with Idaho Power to buy in. If we had Idaho Power
25 right now, we'd be paying all less money and probab~
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1 MR. BROUGH: Okay. Is that they told us
2 many years ago, or several years ago, that if we put
3 in new appliances and new things they would give us
4 rebates. Okay. I put a new refrigerator in. Wnen
5 they came and got the old one, i final~ - after
6 about six months and complaining about it, I got my
7 $3. But it was supposed to be 40, but they said they
8 had lowered ~ down to $30.
9 Then I put in two new water heaters and
10 was supposed to get $75. That's been four years ago,
11 and I have not seen one dime on~. I keep callng
12 and callng and callng, and I haven' seen one dime.
13 They told us if you put in these new
14 lights they'll send you an energy cred~ thing if you
15 send the thing into them. I haven' seen anything on
16 that, and we've gone completely to those new kind of
17 light bulbs they have.
18 So my question is - I think that we need
19 to have Utah Power .. and I can't refer to them as
20 PacifiCorp or Rocky Mountain Power. They just keep
21 changing the name to make ~ look like it's a
22 different company. And you know, when you talk about
23 their investors, they're all back in Omaha, Nebraska,
24 now that bought the company.
25 So I just disagree that the power that
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1 between a 7 and half and a 10 percent cut.
2 We did receive ARRA funds. We did
3 receive job funds. But we lose the ARRA funds this
4 year, and we're trying to save the job funds to cover
5 that to keep us out of the hole. But we wil stil be
6 reduced by whatever percentage that the legislature
7 does.
8 Because of that, the rate increase that
9 you are looking at for our organization of - i
10 believe ~ was 14.6 percent - would tru~ be
11 devastating. Last year when people would say, How are
12 you doing? i would say, I'm trying to keep the lights
13 on: i tru~ do not want that to be a true statement
14 this year, and that's what it would be.
15 The rate increase to the district would
16 be over $25,00 at the rate that you have designated.
17 For us that articulates into one to one and a half to
18 two persnnels, depending on if they are part.time
19 people. I don't have a lot else to cut. 87 percent
20 of our budget isin personnel. And so if I'm faced
21 with another milion dollar cut this year, then you
22 wil see even more jobs lost, you wil see more
23 reduction in hours, and you wil see the children
24 hurt. And I know that's not the intent.
25 So i ask that when you make this decision
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1 we're generating right up the road here is going to go
2 to Oregon or California or anyplace else .. or down
3 into Utah and they want us to pay more so other people
4 can have~. Thank you.
5 COMMISSIONER SMITH: And would you
6 please, sir, get with Curtis Thaden .. he's raising
7 his hand in the back - and he can help you with these
8 rebates and the issues concerning Rocky Mountain not .
9 getting back to you on that. Thank you.
10 Dr. Taylor, to be followed by Kaywin
11 Cottle.
12 BARBARA TAYLOR WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
13 DR. TAYLOR: i thank the commissìoners
14 for being in Preston tonight. I appreciate the
15 opportunity.
16 MR. PRICE: Could you start w~h your
17 name and spell it Thanks.
18 DR. TAYLOR: I'm sorry. I just got done
19 with a board meeting, so I apologize for that.
20 MR. PRICE: That's all right.
21 DR. TAYLOR: Barbara Taylor,
22 Superintendent, Preston School District. District
23 offce address, 120 East 2nd South in Preston.
24 MR. PRICE: Thank you.-
25 DR. TAYLOR: Thank you. I do appreciate
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1 you being here this evening and coming to Preston and
2 hearing our concerns.
3 As I'm sure you are aware, education has
4 had two very diffcult years, the fiscal year '09 and
5 the fiscal year '10. I just want to recap briefly
6 some of the experiences we have had here in Preston.
7 We had an 8 percent cut last year, which
8 articulated for our district a little over a millon
9 dollars. It was $1,000,06. We did run a levy. We
10 had a one.year supplemental levy, which our community
11 supported, which was a $250,00 levy. So we were able
12 to have our taxpayers help us with about a quarter of
13 that.
14 We did some other things. We did some
15 quite major changes. We went to a four.day week to
16 save money, and then we began cuting - because of
17 that, we cut salaries, we cut benef~s, we reduced
18 persnnel, and then we began cuting programs. So
19 last spring was a diffcu~ year for us to meet what
20 was given to us by the state legislature.
21 I tell you that because this year is no
22 different. Last year they told us ~ would be a
23 diffcu~ year, and they told us this year it wil be
24 even more diffcu~. The early projections that our
25 legislators have been giving us is that it wil be
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1 you are very mindful of the public entities,
2 especially education, and what we wil be facing this
3 upcoming year. So again, i thank you for your time
4 and the opportun~ to address you this evening.
5 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you,
6 Dr. Taylor. We appreciate your comments.
7 Kaywin Cottle, followed by Robert Geddes.
8 KA YWN COTTLE WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
9 MS. COTTLE: Kaywin Cottle, K.A.Y.W.I.N,
10 C.O.T.T.L.E, P.O. Box 172, 526 East Highway 36,
11 Malad, Idaho.
12 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you.
13 MS. COTTLE: About the year 20 my
14 husband and i had been planning to put in a camp s~e
15 facilty off the interstate at Ex~ 17 in Malad.
16 Idaho. This endeavor would have brought approximate~
17 eight to ten jobs to our local community and brought
18 in a number of tourists that would have utilized Rocky
19 Mountain Power's services.
20 The Rocky Mountain Power plant then began
21 process to put in the Populus to Terminal from Downey
22 to Salt Lake. The market value changed, and my
23 husband and i, compounded w~h anxiety, decided to
24 drop that endeavor. Therefore, I know firsthand that
25 Rocky Mountain Power did cost our small commun~ a
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1 Robert Geddes. Senator, good to see you
2 again.
3 MR. GEDDES: Don' promote me. I'm just
4 a representative.
5 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Oh, okay.
6 ROBERT GEDDES WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
7 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Sorry,
8 Representative Geddes, but some people would consider
9 that a promotion.
10 MR. GEDDES: I would too.
11 MR. PRICE: Start by stating and spellng
12 your name.
13 MR. GEDDES: I'm Robert Geddes,
14 R.O.B.E.R.T, last name Geddes, G.E.D-D.E.S.
15 MR. PRICE: And where do you live?
16 MR. GEDDES: 7235 North, 260 West
17 Preston, former~ and current~ known as Povert
18 Flats.
19 MR. PRICE: Go right ahead.
20 MR. GEDDES: Mr. President, I suspect
21 that my testimony here wil be no more persuasive than
22 it was when I was in the legislature and you as one of
23 my compatriots there. It's good to have you all here
24 and meet some of myoid friends and associates that I
25 served with in Boise.
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1 handful of jobs that are needed in this downward
2 economy.
3 As our communit continues to age,
4 shrink, and lose jobs, ~ is a shame that Rocky
5 Mountain Power is adding insu~ to injury by asking us
6 to pay for this monstrosity that is plaguing our
7 community. Therefore, I was pleased to know that the
8 commission staff has suggested removing most of the
9 requested recovery of the 34 kilovolt commission
10 line. However, I am more inclined to support the
11 complete removal of all of the Populus to Terminal
12 transmission cost from the proposed rates, as ~ has
13 not benefited one Southeastern Idaho customer to date
14 and has, in fact, been detrimental to our local
15 economy.
16 As a residential customerí I believe that
17 the current economy cond~ions are just reasons that
18 Rocky Mountain Power should not receive any of the
19 proposed rate hikes at this time.
20 Just as PacifiCorp is setting -- are
21 setting back in expenditures, my family has also
22 scaled back. We are bringing home less money. As
23 Dr. Taylor just told you, I am a teacher, and my
24 income is less, as is my husband's. We are also
25 getting less in investments.
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1 However, to compensate, we are spending
2 less. And we have installed end line water heaters in
3 our home. We have installed the more effcient
4 lighting, and we have conducted some weatherization to
5 lower our persnal impact. We are doing our part.
6 As a teacher, I see that my students'
7 education is suffering. These.are trying times.
8 Fami~ stress is at an all time high. And as you now
9 know, we have also gone down to four.day school week
10 to save on electrical costs of that fifth day. Our
11 students are to suffer even more just so that the
12 Rocky Mountain managers can get a salary increase for
13 2009 and 2010? I don' believe this is just.
14 Our residents and business owners wil no
15 longer quietly accept that we have the highest average
16 in the state, as this gentleman pointed out a while
17 ago, while Rocky Mountain Power continues to strip our
18 propert of ~s value and try to make us pay for ~
19 too.
20 I hope you as our protectors, the
21 commission, will not allow Rocky Mountain Power's
22 proposed rate hikes to affect us until we see a turn
23 in the economy. Thank you.
24 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very much
25 for your testimony.
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1 I'm going to be right up front. I'LL
2 give you some reasons that I do not support any
3 increase of Rocky Mountain Power. We're in a
4 depression. \/ether the politicians say we are or
5 not, we're in a depression in this area, and the folks
6 in the area, in my opinion, cannot afford any increase
7 in anything to - in order to be - to satisfy their
8 needs that they have to survive in this communit,
9 this county.
10 Some would say no problem. I was in a
11 professional offce the other day, and we asked the
12 question, "Can you stand this increase?" \/at do you
13 suspect his answer was? It was, "Yes. I can stand ~
14 because I can pass it on to my clients." Most of
15 us -- most of the people here cannot do that. They
16 can't pass ~ on to their clients.
17 I'm going to give a couple of examples,
18 other examples, why i think we should not extend this
19 rate increase. As has been suggested here already,
20 the seniors, of which there are many and many here
21 tonight, got no increase because they're inflation
22 rate is static.
23 Even Congress today, with only a
24 13 percent approval rating, recognized that the
25 citizens of this country - and I would extend this on
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1 would hope to speak for some of the people that aren't
2 here tonight as their representative.
3 My first comment would have been the
4 impact on education, but our Superintendent Taylor
5 prett much hammered that idea through, so I would
6 just say ditto to what she said.
7 My other big objection to this is in my
8 job I work a lot with the elder~, senior citizens,
9 and the homebound, and so i see a lot of these people
10 on fixed incomes that .. the majority of these people,
11 for a variety of medical reasons, tend to keep their
12 homes warmer. Even in the summer their home will be a
13 lot warmer than we keep ours.
14 And so any kind of an impact that their
15 bil would have from them keeping their thermostat up
16 is going to M them harder than it wil me. i can
17 put on an extra blanket. i can cuddle a IMle more
18 with my wife and stay warm. Some of them don't have
19 that option. So i would really like you to consider
20 the impact on our senior citizens on fied income.
21 And I don't know if ~'s true or not,
22 based on what's in the paper, that some of this rate
23 increase is to cover capital expenditure of Rocky
24 Mountain Power for other states. It's totally their
25 right to expand their business, interstate commerce,
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1 to this state and this community - cannot stand a
2 increase in taxes, in power, any other expense that
3 might be imposed upon them. If that Congress is smart
4 enough to resist tax increases, we ought to be, and we
5 ought to demand it from those who provide our
6 services.
7 i am not here to bash the power company.
8 I grew up - my first 14 years as a child - grew up
9 without electric~. And how grateful we are that we
10 had it after that period of time. So I'm not here to
11 bash them. I'm here only to suggest that they have
12 p~ on those ratepayers who pay their bils and
13 provide our service.
14 But I would also suspect that there's not
15 a person in this room that wil look forward to a 5,
16 a 10, or a 15 percent increase on their investments
17 this year or next. i think its only prudent that our
18 commission go to bat for us and help us survive an
19 economy that is not good, even in this area.
20 i don' know what else to say other than
21 to say - well, let me give you one more example. I
22 sit on a hospital board here, and a lot of the '
23 citizens of the community thought we ought to have a
24 new hospital, so they brought forth an election for
25 bond. Guess what the results of that bond election
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1 were? It failed by two.thirds to one.third, which was
2 an indicator to me that these people in this community
3 cannot affrd additional costs and taking from them
4 the money that they might need for their own
5 survivaL.
6 Mr. President and members of the
7 commission, I appreciate you being here. I look
8 forwrd to visiting with you a ~ after this is
9 over. But again, a resounding no in regards to any
10' increase. And i speak, i think, from a standpoint
11 that the community opposes ~, the senior citizens
12 oppose it because they get no increase. And most
13 other investments are way far below the amount that's
14 being requested here. Thank you, Mr. President,
15 members of the commission.
16 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you,
17 Mr. Geddes. We appreciate it.
18 Todd Thomas, followed by is Sariah Seare.
19 TODD THOMAS WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
20 MR. THOMAS: Todd Thomas, T.O.D.D,
21 T.H.O.M.A.S. 100 South 4th West in Preston.
22 MR. PRICE: Go ahead.
23 MR. THOMAS: Thank you. I'm here
24 speaking as a citizen and, I hope ~'s fair to say, as
25 a member of Preston C~ Council, a council member. i
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1 that type of thing. I don't criticize them for that.
2 But there's such a thing in Idaho that ..
3 called an impact fee that cities can levy on new
4 development. And I would draw the correlation here
5 that if Rocky Mountain wants to get new business, new
6 development, let them use an impact fee on those new
7 customers, not on old existing customers that have
8 been paying for years, similar to an impact fee.
9 If they're worried about shareholder
10 return, I would ask them to look a IMle closer at
11 how they're running their business. Cut CEO pay. Cut
12 perks. We've had to. i would love to make six
13 figures, but I don't And if that's a way for them to
14 return shareholder investment, then that's what they
15 should do.
16 In their ad in the paper, they mention
17 that this rate increase on a residential customer
18 would be less than a dollar a month. Now, if i took
19 . my average bil, subtract off some of the taxes and
20 the franchise things that are on there, including one
21 to Preston city, my average bil would probab~ be
22 80 bucks, 90 bucks even. Their residential rate
23 increase, on the percentage they list in their ad,
24 that would be more like a 5 to $6 a month increase,
25 not less than a dollar. So somebody's calculator is
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1 things, they could use the money for things that -
2 for the things that they are asking for.
3 The schools wil also suffer from this
4 great~. Increased power costs wil deplete the
5 school's budget even more, and we are already on a
6 four.day school budget to save costs on power and
7 buses. Since the school is paid through our taxes,
8 our taxes would have to be raised to pay for
9 increasing power costs for the schooL. That's like a
10 double whammy. We pay for our power increase and the
11 school's.
12 i believe that Rocky Mountain Power is
13 doing just fine now. Because this is a terrible time
14 for our economy and just raising the prices would hurt
15 our - rate, i don't see how they can justify raising
16 power costs. Thank you.
17 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very much
18 for your comments.
19 Kevin Peck, followed by Herbert Rallson.
20 If you folks are leaving, I just want to
21 tell you how much I appreciate the participation by
22 the younger generation in our hearings, because public
23 participation is one thing that we value very highly,
24 and ~'s good to see them starting young.
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1 broken.
2 And last~, I'LL make a point that just
3 recently our Congress, United States Congress and
4 Senate - love them or hate them - saw the insight to
5 not increase our taxes by extending the Bush.era tax
6 cuts that were put in place. If they saw the need to
7 not raise taxes right now due to the economy, Rocky
8 Mountain Power should have that same insight. Thank
9 you.
10 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very
11 much. We appreciate your comments.
12 Sariah, followed by Kevin Peck.
13 SARIAH SEARE WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
14 MR. PRICE: Start off by stating and
15 spellng your name.
16 MS. SEARE: My name is Sariah Seare,
17 S.A.R.I.A.H, S.E.A.R.E.
18 MR. PRICE: And what is your mailing
19 address?
20 MS. SEARE: 40 South 4th East, Preston,
21 Idaho 8326.
22 MR. PRICE: Thanks.
23 MS. SEARE: My name is Sariah Seare. My
24 parents and I are customers of Rocky Mountain Power,
25 and we are not happy w~h their rate increase
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1 proposal. Idaho averages at one of the lowest costs
2 for power in the U.S., which is 79.99 per thousand
3 kilowatts per hour. Rocky Mountain Power charges
4 95.95 per thousand kilowatts per hour. That's about a
5 $16 difference. Clear~, there's something wrong.
6 Currently, our povert rate is at
7 150 percent compared to the average of the Un~ed
8 States. i don' see how they can justify raising our
9 power costs since this is the case.
10 I also don't understand exactly what they
11 are using the extra money for. They say that they
12 want to use it for greener solutions, but I .. but how
13 much is going towards that, and how much is going
14 towards raised paychecks and investors?
15 It also seems that they are - they don't
16 tru~ need the money but that it's just a nice thing
17 to have. For example, there was a piece of paper that
18 I was given when a Rocky Mountain Power employee came
19 to our schooL. It was much smoother and very colorful
20 compared to that of a normal printed piece of paper.
21 In fact, one of my friends commented about ~.
22 But our school could never affrd such a
23 nice piece of paper because we suffer budget cuts all
24 the time. Maybe instead of giving us colorfl paper
25 and using their resources towards more frivolous
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1 MR. PECK: Kevin Peck, 700 West
2 Glover Road, Arimo, Idaho.
3 MR. PRICE: And can you spell your name
4 just for the record?
5 MR. PECK: K.E.V.I.N, P.E.C.K
6 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
7 MR. PECK: And a lot of the points I
8 wanted to bring up have already been talked about, but
9 I would like to just talk about from the perspective
10 of my business, which is a farmer, and I'm sure many
11 here are.
12 As farmers we are price takers, not prie
13 setters, and yet our pumping rates in the last ten
14 years have gone up by 180 percent. For an example, I
15 took a .. went back through my books. On a
. 16 45 horsepower pump in 1999 through the year 202, so
17 for a four.year period, that pumping cost was
18 $63,135.
19 Now, if I fast.forwrd to 2007 through
20 2010, that same pump, watering the same acreage and
21 crop, is $104,833, which is 166 percent rate increase.
22 One other quick example, a 25 horspower
23 pump for the same time period of '99 through 20 was
24 $35,000.71; 207 through 2010, it was $63,60, a rate
25 of 182 percent.
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1 diffculty with your water or - you know, what we
2 heard today was sometimes when they shut them off,
3 they're not using the water and too much water goes
4 down and floods the downstream takers.
5 MR. PECK: Well, the hard part with the
6 load control options is that you need to put a lot of
7 extra investment into your pumping system so that
8 it'll shut off not on~ the well but shut off the
9 pivot from moving, shut off the water going to a
10 wheel line, for example. So you need to put in valves
11 and electrical components so those are all correlated
12 together.
13 If not, yeah, it become a mess. Many
14 times we've had pivots get stuck because they run for
15 six hours in one place because the pump didn't shut
16 off the pivot .. the water to the pivot. So ~'s an
17 incurred cost to put your system in line so you can
18 use the load control.
19 We have 21 pumping stations, and we can
20 only use it on 13 because some are gravity flow, so
21 even if the pump goes off, the water stil runs. Th
22 pressure's too low to reach it. So it's not feasible
23 on all systems, but the ones that you can do, ~ does
24 take a lot of extra cost to get them set up so you can
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1 Now, I do realize that there was a BPA
2 credit that was taken away during that period of time,
3 which we were also told was on a three.year
4 investigation period which would end next year. So my
5 question is what the progress of that credit is.
6 Also, in the year 200 - or '99 through
7 200 there was also no load control credit, so those
8 prices would be much more skewed than that if that
. 9 credit was instated in those years.
10 The load control credit proposal right
11 now is to cut the rate $5, from $30 to $25 per
12 kilowatt, which would mean that instead of a
13 10 percent increase, it would really be closer to
14 22 and a half percent increase per irrigator pumper.
15 Because we'd lose the credit for load control, yet
16 we'd stil pay the 10 percent increase for our fees.
17 This is not in line with inflation or an
18 increase in other sectors of business. Therefore,
19 again, as a price taker, I cannot pass on a
. 20 182 percent increase on my crop, and I am opposed to
21 the rate increase. Thank you.
22 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. If you
23 don't mind, i just had a question. We had some
24 testimony earlier today in Grace about difficulties
25 with the load control program for one canal company.
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1 So I was curious whether overall the load control
2 program is actually working for you the way you
3 irrigate.
4 MR. PECK: Well, I think if I was to
5 speak for the people that I've talked with, it's kind
6 of a necessary eviL. We really don't want ~, but ..
7 like this year i received $3,00 back, which I would
8 have increased my fee. .
9 And so it's an inconvenience fot two
10 reasons. One is if you have set sprinklers that run
11 on 24-hour, 12.hour sets, to take six hours out of
12 that set real~ messs up your timing.
13 But the second reason that ~ is is that
14 these dispatch options where you can opt out on the
15 time frame, they don' always work. We've had a lot
16 of problems w~h the computer programing that is
17 programmed from the headquarters to shut off the pumps
18 at certain times of day. Well, there's been a lot of
19 malfunction w~h that. And I'm sure over time, you
20 know, that wil get taken care of and the bugs out of
21 it better.
22 But I think we do ~ not because ~'s
23 something that we feel is a good program; ~'s out of
24 necessity to cut the power bil rate back. .
25 COMMISSIONER SMITH: But there's no
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1 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very much
2 for your comments tonight.
3 Herbert Rallson, followed by Launa
4 Moser.
5 HERBERT RALLSON WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
6 MR. RALLSON: On-
7 MR. PRICE: Sir, start by stating and
8 spellng your name.
9 MR. RALLSON: Herbert S. Rallson,
10 H.E.R.B,E.R.T, S., R-A.L.L.I.S.O.N.
11 MR. PRICE: Thank you. And where do
12 you..
13 MR. RALLISON: I got this ad in the
14 Preston Citizen, and I was looking at why Idaho's
15 power is 5.2, one of the lowest. Well, all right.
16 Idaho is a unique state. We are part - or not the
17 southeastern end. We got excluded by - I think ~
18 was District Court Three judge excluded us out of that
19 Bonnevile Power that was - or not Bonneville
20 Power.. but ~ was money that went for the Columbia
21 River Basin so they could use it for dams and things
22 like that and generate power. Well, here in the
23 southeastern end, because of a judge's decision, we
24 lost that. So there was a big rate increase that we
25 had to them.
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1 years, but the last 10, 11 have been very, very bad.
2 I've taught, like I said, 30 years, and
3 our students - ~ is suffering. They've had to drop
4 several programs from the schools. I was a coach for
5 30 years. And they dropped some of the programs, so
6 they're suffering, some major programs. Not just
7 coaching, but many others from our schools.
8 Our school is one of the largest
9 employers in this county. Many of our helpers have
10 had to be let go, and the students, of course, suffer
11 because of that.
12 Added on to that, our propert taxes are
13 due on the 20th this month. Mine for the year went up
14 $570 with absolutely no change in anything in my
15 home. A large part of that was because the schools
16 didn't get the money from the State, and so we had to
17 pass a bond. And it was over $200 of that. It was
18 about $280 of that raise was the bond money.
19 So more and more people are taking from
20 my paycheck, and my paycheck is less and less and
21 less. I've got more health costs, more insurance
22 costs. Everything has gone up. And like they've been
23 saying, my husband, he is on retired National Guard
24 and Social Security, and we received letters just last
25 week saying that they were all frozen. I don' think
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1 Now, we didn' - no judge just looked at
2 that out of the blue and said, Hey, I'm going to take
3 that away from them. Somebody had to lobby or do
4 something for that to cause to happen. Judges just
5 don't work that way.
6 And not only that, our power, Ido
7 believe, comes basically from hydroelectric in Idaho.
8 And I don't know where the excess of Arco's atomic
9 energy power goes. Is that sold back into Idaho? I
10 really don't know where that plays a factor.
11 But I do know this. From the people in
12 our development, the older ones, the houses are up
13 higher on heat. Mine is too. But I'm on gas, but you
14 stil have the other expenditures of the fan and .
15 running that thing, and I don' know how much ~
16 really costs to do that. But the older people, they
17 have had two years this coming year with no raise in
18 Social Security.
19 Now, every company has to run and have
20 some prof~, but how much profit you can get by with
21 is the determining factor. We're in one of the worst
22 times that I've seen in my 71 years of life.
23 Economy.wise, we just don't have it. Idaho has a high
24 unemployment. School teachers are hurting and all.
25 i think this hurt ought to go a little
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1 both ways. So instead of getting their 10 percent
2 increase, maybe they might get 1 and stil be able to
3 get by with~. It's whatever the commission works
4 out that they can get by with, but I sure don't feel
5 ~ ought to be a big one.
6 i want to thank the commission for their
7 time and the opportun~ to come here and talk to you.
8 MR. PRICE: Before you finish, sir, could
9 you just give your mailng address?
10 MR. RALLSON: My mailng address is
11 1176 East 90 South, Preston, Idaho.
12 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
13 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you for being
14 here tonight. We appreciate your comments.
15 LAUNA MOSER WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
16 MS. MOSER: I'm Launa Moser, L.A.U.N.A,
17 M.O.S.E.R, 370 West 160 South, Preston, Idaho.
18 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
19 MS. MOSER: You're welcome.
20 i just want to address the state of
21 economy here in Franklin County. I'm a
22 schoolteacher. This is my 30h year. i got these
23 facts from my superintendent. We have been - we have
24 not had a COLA since 1996. We've had nine years of
25 frozen salaries. And I have seen some really good
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1 we can support the increase.
2 Again, and then the last thing. Somebody
3 brought up .. and I'm glad they did .. about our last
4 subsidy, the BPA. I read everything that comes to me,
5 and - from the Rocky Mountain Power. And that was, I
6 believe.. ~ was kind of vague. It was hard to
7 understand what was going on. But that was one.third
8 of my power bil that we lost when that happened a few
9 years ago, and we thought ~ was going to come back
10 in. So they took a third jump right there with losing
11 that BPA.
12 Anyway, that's alii have to say. Thank
13 you for listening to me.
14 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you for being
15 here. We appreciate your comments.
16 Richard Free, followed by Todd Garbtt.
17 RICHARD FREE WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
18 MR. FREE: Richard Free, R.I.C.H.A.R.D,
19 F.R.E.E, 6843 East Highway 36, Preston, Idaho.
20 . I was going to take qu~e a b~ of time,
21 and I'm not, because a lot of what I want to say has
22 been said. But I really think the legislature this
23 year has had to come back and the Governor's having to
24 start over things w~h a zero budget. So they have to
25 reconsider everything they're doing. And I hear
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1 time to heat our entire house.
2 My mom used to work for the school
3 district, but she had to quit and find a new job
4 because she wasn't making enough because of the
5 economy in Preston, and it hasn't gotten any better.
6 She was expecting to make a lot more than she is now,
7 but she hasn't gotten any raises or anything in the
8 past because no one can afford it. So we can't afford
9 a price increase.
10 And I know that you guys are the only
11 people that provide power in Preston. We can't get it
12 from anywhere else. But if we can' afford it, what
13 are we supposed to do?
14 Also, my dad used to work for a cable
15 company, and when someone would call and complain that
16 their cable was out, wasn't working properly, they got
17 there super fast, within five minutes. And then just
18 recently, there was a power outage, and ~ was in the
19 morning, and they said the power wouldn' be back on
20 unli4 o'clock in the afternoon. And then ~ ended
21 up coming on a lot sooner, which was great, but I lost
22 a lot of hours at my job.
23 And everything i am wearing right now i
24 have paid for myself because I don't have my parents
25 to rely on to buy me everything. i have to buy
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1 there's huge cuts coming. Okay?
2 And we've already heard about the
3 school. You've heard about the economy here in the
4 county. And I don't think it's getting any better. I
5 do work for several businesses. Okay? None of them
6 are making more money. Several of them are running at
7 losses this year. This just adds to the insult.
8 We're talking about Utah Power. They're
9 a huge organization - i mean Rocky Mountain Power.
10 Okay? None of us can afford to have an attorney here
11 or anything else, and I'd hate to guess what their
12 individuals are making, some of their people in their
13 company. They need to take a real look at this.
14 We cannot afford rate increases. This
15 county cannot. And we do not need them. Thank you.
16 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you,
17 Mr. Free. We appreciate you coming.
18 Todd Garbett, followed by Rob.. is ~
19 Tardin?
20 Is Todd Garbett here?
21 AN AUDIENCE MEMBER: He left.
22 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Rob?
23 AN AUDIENCE MEMBER: He left.
24 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Amanda Ransbottom.
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1 MS. RANSBOTTOM: Okay. My name is Amanda
2 Ransbottom, A.M.A.N.D.A, R.A.N.S.B.O.T.T.O.M. I live
3 on 46 South 100 East, Preston, Idaho.
4 And I'd just like to thank you guys for
5 coming to listen to us.
6 And you might think I'm a 1~le young,
7 like too young to know what I'm talking about. But i
8 have lived here my entire life, and all that ..
9 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Hold the mike a
10 little closer.
11 MS. RANSBOTTOM: I'm getting ~ there.
12 Okay. And all that my mom talks about is
13 how hard life is. We have been struggling our entire
14 lives. My 1~le sister has surgeries every six
15 months, which is now less often than when she was
16 younger. And we don' have the money to pay for a
17 price increase.
18 We have one furnace in our living room,
19 and ~ heats our entire house, which is two stories.
20 And there's three bedrooms upstairs. That's where me
21 and my sister sleep, but ~'s too cold to sleep up
22 there. No matter how many blankets you have, it's
23 freezing. L~erally, ~'s freezing. It's about
24 32 degrees. So I just - I don't think that's right
25 because we can't afford to keep our furnace on all the
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1 everything myself, and I don' have money to do all of
2 that stuff, and they don't have money to do it
3 either. So everyone is struggling, and we can'
4 handle the increase, like I've already said.
5 And you guys may be struggling, but I'm
6 prett sure that we're wors. So we have ourselves to
7 like take care of, and you guys have a lot of people.
8 But I just don' understand why you started to expand
9 on everything if you didn't have the money to finish
1 0 ~,and ~ shouldn't be our problem that you didn't
11 plan how you spent the money right so that you had
12 enough to keep it the whole way. And that's it.
13 Thank you.
14 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very
15 much. We appreciate your testimony.
16 Doug .. oh, did you have a question?
17 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: I do, Amanda.
18 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Would you please
19 come back,.Ms. Ransbottom? Commissioner Kempton has a
20 question.
21 MS. RANSBOTTOM: All right. I'm coming.
22 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Okay. So I have a
23 couple of questions. The furnace you're talking about
24 i assume is an electrical furnace.
25 MS. RANSBOTTOM: It's actually gas, but
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1 anymore.
2 I want to know where the BP tax credit
3 went. You know, we have a great resource out here,
4 and I personally wish there was .. utilized the power
5 from that river more.
6 I thank you for the opportunity to be
7 here tonight and speak to you, but its not time to
8 raise the bil.
9 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. West.
10 Eric Allred, followed by Mike Taylor.
11 ERIC B. ALLRED WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
12 MR. ALLRED: I'm glad for the opportun~
13 to say something.
14 -MR. PRICE: Can you state and spell your
15 name first?
16 MR. ALLRED: Oh, I'm sorry about that.
17 Eric B. Allred, E.R.I.C, 8., A.L.L.R.E.D,
18 304 Park Avenue, Preston, Idaho.
19 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
20 MR. ALLRED: All right. Yeah, I'm glad
21 to be here. Just about four quick things I want to
22 say.
23 Like a lot of people here, you know,
24 we're not getting pay raises or anything and that.
25 But I think that investments are important. I'm
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1 the fan and everything .. and like the thermostat, all
2 that fun stuff that takes electric~, itsreally
3 expensive even though we don1 have it on very often.
4 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: And do you know if
5 your parents have applied for energy assistance
6 payments?
7 MS. RANSBOTTOM: I am not sure on that
8 one.
9 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Okay. So when you
10 go back, would you mind asking your parents if they
11 have applied for energy assistance, and if they
12 haven't, would you ask them to call the commission?
13 MS. RANSBOTTOM: Yes, I wil.
14 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Okay.
15 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you.
16 Doug West, followed by Eric Allred.
17 DOUG WEST WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
18 MR. WEST: My name is Doug West, D.O.U.G,
19 W.E.S.T, 215 East 2nd South, Preston, Idaho.
20 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
21 MR. WEST: I concur w~h - you know, I
22 have several things to say, but a lot of the things
23 have been said.
24 We've had a business on Main Street for
25 about 65 years. We know a lot ofthe farmers,
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1 ranchers, local people that live here and in the
2 surrounding communities of Malad, Grace, Soda,
3 Montpelier, Bear Lake. It doesn't take a rocket
4 scientist to take a ride around these three, four
5 counties and see - and not realize what people are
6 going through right now.
7 There's a lot of people that if they had
8 the money, they would fix their places up. They'd
9 take - be able to repair things. And right now,
10 people are hurting. - People are hurting very bad. We
11 have a business that we've - we're doing more repairs
12 on vehicles. A lot of people don't have the money to
13 buy new.
14 I wish you guys had compet~ion. I wish
15 the power companies had someone to compete more w~h
16 them. If you took a vote today, if you had this vote,
17 I guarantee you it would go down in sound defeat, and
18 I wish ~ would. I wish the public could get out and
19 vote.
20 We have several people that come in every
21 day and can't pay their bils. You look around the
22 counties and you look at the businesses that have been
23 there for years, and they're not there anymore. And
24 why aren't they there anymore? Because their expenses
25 and everything went to where they couldn1 make ~
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1 looking at this piece of paper that we got and looking
2 at how Rocky Mountain Power is investing in different
3 things and infrastructure and this and that, and
4 that's great.
5 I don't know about everybody else, but
6 I've invested within the past - well, let me reflect
7 here. You said that in the past four years we have
8 reduced our administrative and general costs by
9 76 millon, which is 32 percent.
10 To me, that's a phenomenal huge reduction
11 in overhead, and if that's true, gosh, we should all
12 be clapping. Okay? If that's really true. And so
13 I'm going all right, maybe that is the truth. I'm not
14 here to contest that with you, but I just think that's
15 an amazing number for any company to reduce overhead
16 like that. .
17 Well, I've been trying to reduce my
18 overhead, and I've invested quite a bit of money in
19 new insulation and new windows and things for my
20 home. And that brings up something I think that
21 perhaps may be considered more, and that is that
22 perhaps Rocky Mountain should be investigating more
23 helping customers, businesses, and residences and
24 things to reduce their electrical usage. Not through
25 like giving in or turning in the old refrigerator, but
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1 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
2 MR. TAYLOR: My objection to this is on
3 two levels. First of all, on~ a crazy man wants to
4 pay more money for something that is not going to be
5 improved, and there's no defin~ive improvement in my
6 electrical service that wil result from this
7 increase.
8 Second of all- and this is a little
9 broader than anybody's talked about this evening -
10 the lunatic legislatures in California and Oregon have
11 both mandated that extensive portions of the electric
12 grid have to be from renewable sources. As a resuft,
13 Rocky Mountain Power has to increase the amount of
14 power that's generated by renewable sources. This
15 stuff, the electricit generated by this equipment, is
16 inherently ineffcient, and so they have to spend a
17 great deal of money to make the thing work, and
18 government subsidies are the only way that they can
19 make ~ work.
20 The problem when you're dealing with a
21 company that runs interstate is that they can take
22 money from Idaho and apply it in California and
23 Oregon. And it bothers me - it real~ bothers me -
24 that we're stuck having to pay for some legislature ..
25 some legislative act over which we had no control. We
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1 actually going to the business or going to the home
2 and looking at the business, looking at the building.
3 Okay?
4 VVere I work there's huge, obvious.to.see
5 wasting of energy going on. I don' see anything done
6 about~. Okay? And I go to other people's homes,
7 and i see the same thing, huge gaps under doors, old
8 windows, you know, little to no insulation in older
9 homes, and things like this.
10 And so if we're real~ going to do
11 anything good here, we need to not just argue or have
12 ~ all about rates and whine and cry about everybody's
13 lack of income, which I'm with everybody else there.
14 But we need to do something about using less energy
15 and be smarter w~h the energy we have. All right? I
16 don' know if that makes a coherent point or
17 anything.
18 But the last thing I'd like to say is
19 that Rocky Mountain Power needs to look at ~self and
20 especially the overhead that comes from the multiple
21 layers of management and control that goes with any
22 large corporation. Wiats a very common thing and ..
23 common thing that recurs over and over in large
24 corporations is they become over .. they become top
25 heavy. Okay? Departments and all the many strata of
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1 management continues to grow and grow and grow qu~e
2 often when any given company's output or profit may
3 stay stagnant or actually be shrinking. For some
4 reason, we've got to have a greater and greater amount
5 of overhead because of our management levels.
6 So I ask Rocky Mountain Power to look at
7 that. If we have trimmed back 32 percent of our
8 overhead in the past four years, wow, that's
9 wonderfL. Have we trimmed a lot of extra paper
10 pushers, a lot of extra level upon level of
11 supervisors and area representatives and, you know,
12 managers? And can we do more of that?
13 And i think ~'s on~ fair that we ask
14 you to do the same, to look at your corporate
15 structure and see if it can be trimmed in that way.
16 Freeze corporate salaries. The rest of us aren't
17 getting pay raises either. We ask that corporate does
18 the same thing.
19 Thank you very much for your time.
20 COMMISSIONER SMITH: We appreciate your
21 comments. Thank you, Mr. Allred.
22 Mike Taylor, followed by Melvin Beutler.
23 MIKE TAYLOR WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
24 MR. TAYLOR: Mike Taylor, M.I.K.E,
25 T.A.Y.L.O.R, 3934 East Cub River Road, Preston.
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1 didn' vote for it. So essentially, it's taxation
2 without representation.
3 The only ones who can stop this lunacy
4 are you folks, and i hope you have the nerve to do ~.
5 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, sir, for
6 your comments. We appreciate them.
7 Melvin - I'LL let you tell me your last
8 name.
9 MR. BEUTLER: Beutler.
10 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Beutler. Thank you.
11 MELVIN BEUTLER WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
12 MR. PRICE: Can you start off by stating
13 and spellng your name?
14 MR. BEUTLER: Melvin Beutler,
15 M.E.L.V.I.N, B.E.U.T.L.E.R. And I'm representing the
16 West Side School District.
17 MR. PRICE: And what is your mailng
18 address?
19 MR. BEUTLER: Mailng address is 7 South
20 Highway 36, Preston, Idaho.
21 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
22 MR. BEUTLER: Barbara Taylor was here
23 earlier and talked about the Preston School District.
24 We're the West Side School District on the other side
25 of Bear River. I have the same concerns.
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1 careful in carrying out their fiduciary responsibilty
2 to the Rocky Mountain Power ratepayers, as has been
3 requested by many of the other people who have given
4 testimony tonight. I understand that setting rates
5 that would be economically infeasible for the power
6 company would not be in the best interest of the
7 ratepayers. We do need to set rates that wil allow
8 them to carr on their business and provide the
9 service that they provide to us.
10 i would, however, ask the commission to
11 thoroughly scrutinize the request that Rocky Mountain
12 Power has brought forward. Theoretically, rates of
13 return should vary w~h the amount of risk that is
14 inherent in the investment that's being made. I would
15 consider that the level of risk that Rocky Mountain
16 Power takes on when they invest in their business is
17 at the low end of the nsk scale.
18 The reason is because they have a
19 guaranteed rate of return that's guaranteed by the
20 commission, and they also have a guaranteed customer
21 base. So they have very little risk when they make
22 investments on being able to get a return on that
23 money. So therefore, i would expect that the rate of
24 return that they would get would also be at the low
25 end of the scale. However, i do not believe that the
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1 In 2009 we took a 5 percent cut in our
2 pay. We educate 600 students and have a budget of
3 about $2.5 milion. That cut equaled two teachers
4 that retired, and we didn't hire them back. We also
5 didn' hire back any of our paraprofessionals. Of
6 cours, that just trickles down to what we can do for
7 the students.
8 This year we took an 8 percent cut in our
9 pay, and that became awful hard because we'd already
10 cut kind of, i felt like, to the bone. But we didn't
11 hire back two more teachers that retired and let 10
12 paraprofessionals go which work with those kids that
13 are having problems.
14 And we've had to pick up the pieces and
15 try to make ~ happen from there, and we feel like
16 we've done a good job, and we've really worked hard to
17 make it happen. Everyone's taken on other jobs, and
18 we've felt like we're stil doing a good job.
19 This next year we're told we'll take
20 another 7 and a half to 10 percent cut. In this
21 economy and in this s~uation, it really feels like we
22 shouldn't be asking for an increase. We should be
23 looking for effciencies and tightening our belts and
24 actually looking for a decrease in cost. We really
25 will be hard pressed to keep things going for our
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1 regular students, so I would encourage you to not have
2 an increase.
3 i think -I work for the people. You
4 work for the people. I always say if we work for the
5 people and we dan' watch out for their taxes, we
6 don' watch out for their increases, we're not doing
7 our job. So please watch out for us. Please watch
8 out for the children of Idaho. Thank you.
9 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you for your
10 comments.
11 Helen Smith, followed by Sherrie Love.
12 HELEN K SMITH WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
13 MR. PRICE: State and spell your name.
14 Please grab the microphone over there.
15 MS. SMITH: I'm Helen K Sm~h.
16 H.E.L.E.N, K., S.M.I.T.H. I live at 2088 East
17 Riverdale Road, Preston.
18 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
19 MS. SMITH: I am employed by Monsanto,
20 and I - Monsanto's testimony has been given as an
21 intervenor, and I request that the commission
22 serious~ consider that testimony. My husband and
23 sons ranch here in Franklin County, and I am
24 testifying for myself, not on behalf of Monsanto.
25 I request that the commission be very
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1 rate of return that is being requested in this rate
2 case is at the low end of current market rates.
3 I would ask you to consider the rate of
4 return that you're getting on your personal
5 investments and compare that to what Rocky Mountain
6 Power is asking for. I know that my personal
'7 investments that are in low risk.type instruments are
8 only getting about a half of a percent to 2 percent
9 return, so I think 10.6 is a 1~le bit on the high
10 end of that scale for a low risk investment. So I
11 would ask the commission to seriously consider that as
12 they look at this rate proposal.
13 The other thing that gives me concern
14 about Rocky Mountain Powets rate increase is that
15 because of the structure that the rates are set by,
16 they are rewarded for investing more money. The more
17 money they invest, the more money they spend, the more
18 money they make. And so we rely on the commission to
19 very careful~ scrutinize the need for that
20 expenditure and make sure that they are spending money
21 wise~. They really have no incentive to be effcient
22 or to optimize cost because that would actually
23 impinge on their profits.
24 And so we rely on the commission to very
25 carefully scrutinize those expenditures and hopefully
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1 all over. People are having to be on a budget, and
2 that budget just doesn~ stretch far enough for them
3 to have the food, the medical care, the medicine, and
4 the electricity that they need. They're on a budget.
5 So I'm saying, Rocky Mountain, put
6 yourself on a budget. Stay within your means. You
7 can do that.
8 i understand from the news that this
9 increase would amount to only, starting out, about a
10 dollar a month. But over a few months or the next
11 couple of years, this increase would really be
12 substantial, and I've heard figures as high as
13 75 percent increase. Whew.
14 A large number in my community find a
15 dollar substantial, and when that dollar becomes a
16 choice between food, medicine, and electricity, I'm
17 really concerned. Many of my friends and neighbors
18 are on a fixed income, and my husband and I are on a
19 fixed income. Every dollar already has a place to go,
20 and we can't wiggle that around too much or else
21 somebody's going to miss out an a payment and
22 something's going to be shut off or cut off, or we're
23 not going to be able to get food or ..
24 Well, my husband was in the Guard for a
25 number of years and retired, so we do get our
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1 help them to apply wise cost management that all of
2 the rest of us, as has been expressed by other people
3 who have given testimony, have to do in our
4 businesses. Thank you for the opportunity to give
5 testimony.
6 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you,
7 Ms. Smith. We appreciate you being here.
8 Sherrie Love. How about Ralph Love?
9 MS. LOVE: I'm here.
10 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Oh, you're here.
11 Excellent.
12 MS. LOVE: Hi. I kind of had to write
13 things down, so fi took longer. Yes.
14 SHERRIE LOVE WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
15 MR. PRICE: Ma'am, go ahead and grab the
16 microphone. Start off with your name and- spell it,
17 please.
18 MS. LOVE: Okay. My name is Sherrie,
19 S.H.E.R.R.I.E, Love, L.O.V.E.
20 MR. PRICE: Thank you. And what is your
21 mailng address?
22 MS. LOVE: My mailng address is
23 P.O. Box 163, Downey, Idaho. My street address is
24 375 East 3rd North.
25 MR. PRICE: All right. Thanks.
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1 MS. LOVE: Okay. I know and I understand
2 the need of Rocky Mountain Power to recover their
3 expenses, to make a profit. After all, they are a
4 business, and I understand business.
5 But i am a retired schoo~eacher, and as
6 such, I need to ask, Why are the numbers so jumbled
7 up? Why aren't things working out - these numbers
8 working out? You know, I see them saying that this
9 rate increase wil only amount to so much, and
10 they're - okay. Let's get down to it. Who didn't
11 attend their prealgebra or slept through prealgebra?
12 There's a mess up here, and let's get that
13 straightened out. Okay?
14 You say customer prices are lower, but
15 according to my bil and my using less electricity,
16 I'm paying more. So ~'s not working out. We need to
17 stop and really look at the human side of this
18 s~uation. .
19 Today my husband and I worked with ICAN, -
20 volunteered with ICAN. We worked w~h them from
21 8 o'clock this morning until a IMle after 6:00 when
22 we hurried up and left the Downey Commun~ Center and
23 scurried through the fog to Preston. We were helping
24 them get food to people that needed food.
25 Things are desperate. They're desperate
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1 medication. We're luckier. We get our medication
2 through the insurance there. But my friends and
3 neighbors aren~ that lucky, and I'm really concerned
4 about them.
5 I'm saying, Rocky Mountain, you need to
6 put yourself in the place of the people, especially
7 the people here in Southeastern Idaho. We're on a
8 budget. Put yourslves on a budget. Take a cut in
9 your own pay.
10 \Mh the current economy and the
11 additional trauma many are experiencing with cuts in
12 pay and lack of increase in funding w~h their Social
13 Security, this is not a good time for an increase.
14 It's also not time for Idahoans to have to support
15 power going to other states.
16 This increase is hMing hardest those
17 who can least affrd it, and I saw this today, and I'm
18 hurting from what I saw. Please commission, please
19 help Rocky Mountain stay w~hin their budget. Thank
20 you.
21 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very much.
22 Ralph Love, followed by Shelley Campbell.
23 RALPH LOVE WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
24 MR. PRICE: Please state and spell your
25 name.
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1 good citizens of Idaho.
2 It's not realistic. We need to be
3 realistic about what we're dealing with here. Rocky
4 Mountain Power needs to be realistic in what they're
5 doing in the rates that they request, first of all,
6 and how they manage their business.
7 There's been numerous people that have
8 talked about the equipment that they have. I don't
9 know that I've seen older vehicles in their fleets. i
10 think it's also been noted that often times you see
11 multiple workers there. One has to hand the item up
12 while one's climbing the pole or whatever.
13 It's also been noted that Rocky Mountain
14 Power needs to have a budget that they can work under,
15 and I believe you good people of the commission can
16 help ensure that happens. And I certainly hope that
17 that wil happen.
18 Now, as my wife noted, we're on fixed
19 income. Many, many, many of you people are. And as
20 we've moved to Downey, we have really, really enjoyed
21 our time there, because we met some great people.
22 We've been helped. And we have been pleased at the
23 friendships that we've been able to make.
24 My wife also mentioned that ~'s been
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1 MR. LOVE: Ralph Love, R.A.L.P.H, Love,
2 L.O.V.E.
3 MR. PRICE: And what is your mailng
4 address?
5 MR. LOVE: Mailng address is Post Offce
6 Box 163, Downey, Idaho 83234.
7 MR. PRICE: Thank you. Go ahead.
8 MR. LOVE: Same as my wife's.
9 MR. PRICE: All right.
10M R. LOVE: There's been a lot of comment
11 tonight about Rocky Mountain Power and their request,
12 some enormous~ viable comments, numerous points that
13 you as commissioners have the responsibil~ to help
14 protect the citizenry of this good state.
15 My wife and I have on~ been here in the
16 state for just a little less than a year, but we moved
17 to Idaho w~h the expectation and the hope of enjoying
18 some retirement.
19 It's been real eyeopeners to see some of
20 the things that we've seen as of recent. It's also
21 been a little disheartening to see some of the things
22 that have been allowed to go on by some .. I would
23 think it's on~ fair to say monopolies like Rocky
24 Mountain Power. They may not like to hear ~, but
25 what else is it? \Mo else is their compet~ion for
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1 our area? Now, I believe in some instances monopolies
2 are ilegal. There's things that, say, the federal
3 government does to help eliminate monopoly.type
4 actions and activities.
5 Rocky Mountain Power needs to really take
6 a look at what they're doing. Now, we weren1 here in
7 Downey when the big push was to put in that monstrous
8 distribution station out there. And according to what
9 I understand, ~'s on~ a third, a fourth, or maybe a
10 fifth of the size of what ~'s potential~ going to
11 grow to, and maybe - how many lines do we have coming
12 into it now? Four or five from different areas, other
13 lines going out to other areas. Possibly not even to
14 Idaho, to Utah -I mean, we came from Utah. We
15 possibly had benefited from that - but other areas
16 like other states.
17 And as mu~iple people have already
18 noted, and i think justifiab~ noted, these other
19 states have mandated requirements that Rocky Mountain
20 Power has to follow. You get your power from
21 renewable sources. Okay? Is that true? Seems to be
22 so. And i suggest that if other states are mandating
23 that Rocky Mountain Power require to get their power
24 from green areas, if you wil, then let those other
25 states, those other customers, foot that bill, not the
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1 it has impacted so many people.
2 Rocky Mountain Power people, you can s~
3 there as big company paycheck earners. Shame on you.
4 If y.ou don't have the concern for your customers ..
5 and it's obvious as being a monopoly you don't, and
6 especially when you request rates that are
7 unjustifiable, as you have. It would be interesting
8 if you would even have the courage to identify - just
9 you two gentlèman - what your salaries are compared
10 to some of the salaries that I know..
11 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Love, would
12 you-
13 MR. LOVE: I know. Okay.
14 COMMISSIONER SMITH: - please stay on
15 topic and address your comments to us.
16 MR. LOVE: Okay.
17 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you.
18 MR. LOVE: It would be interesting stil
19 if they would have the fort~ude to do so.
20 Okay. Let me also suggest, as another
21 example of the state of some of your customers, some
22 of our friends and neighbors.
23 Now, Downey -I don't know for sure, but
24 I believe we are probably in the neighbor of 200
25 familes. Not very big. Depending upon which sign
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1 windmils. So we've got a real problem growing.
2 i also find it hard that this line
3 between Malad and Downey is just for the local
4 patrons. To me, ~ looks like that we're more
5 involved in trying to send out electricity to other
6 states and make more money.
7 Also, I don' know how you commissioners
8 do~, but effciency obviously has been brought up.
9 How do you really check on effciency? How do you
10 really - when they are using cement - they're using
11 loads of cement that they're wasting in the building
12 of their projects. It's a real challenge to find out
13 how effcient.
14 And I think you can .. i think that they
15 can doctor the records to make it look like anything
16 they want. That's a real challenge for the
17 commissioners to try and siphon through that and see
18 if it's really what they need or what they wat.
19 i do want to say one more thing about
20 agriculture. We rely on agriculture, and we just
21 can't pass that cost on to anyone, and i think
22 agriculture is really important. So we need to keep
23 that in mind.
24 And also, the time-of.day. I'm with
25 Mr. Womack. Wny would they double the increase on
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1 you see when you ride into the town, 615 or 60
2 citizens, but let's just say 200 hundred familes.
3 This year for this Christmas there are 29 familes
4 that are needing Sub for Santa. Their children wil
5 not get Christmas if there isn't help. That's a high
6 percentage. And ~ could be very similar to here in
7 Preston and other areas. It most likely is.
8 It's sad to see that. II's sad to see
9 requests of enormous rates, and not only just for this
10 one, but for the years projected forward. Shame on
11 you. Despicable. Shame on you.
12 I'm going to make one other comment.
13 Some areflot going to like this reference. How many
14 of you have ever looked into the eyes of a sexual
15 predator of either children or older people? Now, I
16 know you don't1ike L I'm sorr.
17 COMMISSIONER SMITH: I think we're now
18 way off the topic of a public util~ies-commission
19 rate case.
20 MR. LOVE: It's no difference. It's not
21 difference. We need to ..
22 COMMISSIONER SMITH: i beg to differ,
23 sir.
24 MR. LOVE: .. have them stay in line with
25 whaUs realistic and fair and appropriate.
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1 COMMISSIONER SMITH: And that's our job.
2 Thankyou.
3 MR. LOVE: Please hear the majority of
4 the people. They have spoken. No rate increase.
5 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Love.
6 Shelley Campbell.
7 SHELLEY CAMPBELL WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
8 MS. CAMPBELL: Shelley Campbell,
9 S.H.E.L.L.E.Y¡ C.A.M.P.B.E.L.L, 297 East Depot Street,
10 Weston, Idaho.
11 And much of everything that I wanted to
12 say has, of course, already been said, but i just want
13 to just cap~alize on a couple of things.
14 One thing is, ~ is frustrating to me
15 that we have investors in public util~ies making a
16 high return when there's no competition. That doesn't
17 seem right to me.
18 And one of the .. i have visited with the
19 State a little bit, and one of the things I learned
20 about the windmils is they're pulling monéy into
21 windmils that are only about 30 to 40 percent
22 effcient. And I said, But why are you doing that?
23 And they said, Because the carbon tax that's going to
24 be placed on the coal plants is going to be more
25 costly than the ineffciency of 30 and 40 percent
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1 time.of.day people when the regular one is like about
2 8 percent? It's really all about encouraging us to be
3 more effcient. It's about that, and we do~. So I
4 think that ought to be relooked at too on that, asking
5 for that kind of an increase.
6 And basically, that's~. Thank you very
7 much.
8 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you very much
9 for being here tonight and for being - patiently
1 0 awa~ing your turn.
11 Ladies and gentlemen, that brings us to
12 the end of those Who have signed up to testify. Are
13 there any in the audience -
14 Yes, sir. Please come forward.
15 SCOnWORKMAN WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
16 MR. WORKMAN: Scott Workman, S.C.O.T.T,
17 W.O.R.K.M.A.N, 144 East 740 North, Preston, Idaho.
18 i guess I'm kind of the representative of
19 Franklin County because I'm a Franklin County
20 Commissioner.
21 I just want to point out the wide variety
22 of things you've heard tonight. I listened to
23 everybody's testimony ranging from schools to farmers
24 to agriculture to dairymen. The rate increases from
25 8 to 18 percent wil put a burden on most of the
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1 people in Southeastern Idaho as far up to .. I'm
2 sure you were in Idaho Falls recently and heard the
3 testimony up there.
4 So any time - a rate increase like that
5 is a detriment to our communities right now w~h the
6 struggling of the economies, with the way wages -
7 unemployment is, also with the effect that it wil
8 have on the schools.
9 I just would encourage you to look at the
10 testimony and take into effect how much effect ~ wil
11 have on our communities, because i know it wil
12 greatly impact everybody, let alone schools,
13 hosp~als, county employees, different things like
14 that. So in your process of deliberating, take that
15 into effect.
16 And thanks for being down here. It's
17 good to have somebody from Boise here once in a while.
18 COMMISSIONER SMITH: And we appreciate
19 your comments, and we're happy to be here, and we
20 appreciate the comments of all your c~jzens.
21 Ma'am?
22 JEANETTE McKAY WAS FIRST DULY SWORN
23 MS. McKAY: Jeanette McKay,
24 J.E.A.N.E-T-T.E, M.c-K.A.Y, 1523 North Highway 34,
25 Preston.
REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
STATE OF IDAHO
COUNTY OF BONNEVILLE
ss.
I, Crystal Hereford, CSR and Notary Public, in and
for the State of Idaho, do hereby certify:
That said public hearing was taken down by me in
shorthand at the time and place therein named and
thereafter reduced to typewriting under my direction, andthat the foregoing transcript contains a full, true, and
accurate record of said deposition.
I further certify that I have no interest in the
event of the action.
WITNESS my hand and seal this 28th day ofDecember 2010.
Crystal Hereford, RPR
Idaho CSR No. SRT-937
Notary Public in and for
the State of Idaho
My commssion expires:02-28-2014
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1 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
2 MS. McKAY: Franklin County Treasurer.
3 Our taxes last year was 7 percent
4 delinquent - I mean, two years ago it was 7 percent
5 delinquent. Last year ~ was 8 percent delinquent. I
6 have a feeling it may even go up this year. So with
7 the rate increase, taxes are going to go more
8 delinquent. People are not going to pay them now
9 because they have their power. Thank you.
10 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you for your
11 comment, Ms. McKay.
12 Would there be anyone else who wishes to
13 make a comment to the commission tonight?
14 Seeing no one, we wil adjourn this
15 public hearing for tonight.
16 Our last public hearing is next Monday
17 evening. It's a telephonic hearing for those who
18 didn't get the opportun~ to come in persn and wish
19 to speak direct~ to the commission, and that wil
20 happen at 7:00 p.m. Monday night.
21 So we wish you well and safe travels this
22 night, and thank you for being here. We're adjourned.
23 (Proceedings adjourned at 8:58 p.m.)
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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
STATE OF IDAHO ss.
COUNTY OF BONNEVILLE
I, Crystal Hereford, CSR and Notary Public, in and
for the State of Idaho, do hereby certify:
That said public hearing was taken down by me in
shorthand at the time and place therein named and
thereafter reduced to typewriting under my direction, and
that the foregoing transcript contains a full, true, and
accurate record of said deposition.
I further certify that I have no interest in theevent of the action.
WITNESS my hand and seal this 28th day of
December 2010.
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Idaho CSR No. SRT-937
Notary Public in and for
the State of Idaho
My commission expires:02-28-2014
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Budget Summary for Preston School District #20 I
December IS, 2010 20ft JAN -3 AM 9= 22
· PSD experienced an 8% cut to the FYII budget which was $1, ~MlJ" -
. A one-year $250,000 supplemental levy was passed in May of2010.
· The district went to a four-day week which reduced some classified workers' wages
by 20%.
· Approximately 87% of the budget is for salary and benefits.
· There has been federal support through the stimulus dollars and the Jobs Bils but
next year the district will lose its AARA funds which has help to funded special
education services.
· Early Legislative projected budget cuts for FI2 range between 7.5% to 10%.
. If projections are accurate, programs and personnel wil be reduced further.
. PSD cannot withstand a rate increase in its power bilL. Impact to the district would
be between $24,000 and $26,000. If approved, at least two classified positions would
, be lost.
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How does the commission monitor or demand efficiency of R~~~¥IOiV
Mountain Power - (which has a monopoly)?
In 2006, West Side School District requested to hook up
power for our auditorium. Our building transformer is 200
feet from our irrigation pump pole. The power was taken
from that pole to the transformer for $16,393.80 to be
paid over five years. That price was outrageous to me, but
I had no other options.
Idaho Public Utilities Commission
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2.Rate increases in this economy? -
West Side School District's challenge:
In 2009, we experienced a 50/0 cut in state funding which
represented $170,777.
As a result, we cut one teaching position through retirement
attrition and cut all para-professional positions that were
not returning.
In 2010, we experienced an 80/0 cut in state funding which
represented $280,229.
As a result, we cut two more teaching positions through
retirement attrition and 10 para-professional positions.
Field trips are no longer funded through district funds -only
by donation. Athletic travel was drastically reduced.
In 2011, our legislators are tellng us to plan on another 7.5
to 100/0 cut. What more wil we be forced to cut?
THIS IS TRULY A TIME OF BELT TIGHTENING FOR ALL OF US. WE
SHOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN POWER RATES, BUT
EXPLORING ALL OPTIONS OF DECREASING POWER RATES.
Melvin E. Beutler, Superintendent
West Side School District
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SHELLEY CAMBELL
297 EAST DEPOT STRET
WESTON, IDAHO 83286
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TO: IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMSSION
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The following reflect my views on the increae of public utilties:
AN INCREE DURIG AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN: To increase the utilities
during a time when unemployment is higher tha in recent years and when growth in the
economy is at best a standstil wil add a burden on an aleady "stretched to the limit"
societ. The problem is that every entity wants an increase. At some point the "pigg
ban" is going to brea. An increase should only be considered at the very least possible
amount.
When I saw the char shown by Senator Geddes at the workshop, I was a bit troubled by
the retrn on money for utility stockholders as compared to other investments. While I
ca see that it is perhaps a great investment, I stil think tht we have to be very careful
on something like "public utilities" where there is no competition to kee prices
competitive.
WIDMI AND WID FARS: The windmils are only around 300/Ó - 400/Ó
effcient. We are paying for somethng that is not cost effective. I was sickened. as I was
told that even with the ineffciency it was going to cost less than what wil be chaged by
the federal government for carbon ta on the coal plants in the futue. Somethin is very
wrong with what the government is doing to our cuent energy sources.
MITRUST: It is diffcult to believe that the 800 milion dollar project from Downey
through Malad is only about keeping utilty customers up to date. I can't help but believe
that the value of that power line is more about selling eleccity to places like California
for a high price tha it is about sustaining the local customers.
EFFICIECY: This is a problem for me as we watch the effciency of the utility
workers. Perhaps there are often too many workers for an impending job site. So often
we see men standing around, heading home at an early time of day. I haven't been able
to find out if these workers belong to unions (which are notorious for ineffciency) or if
they are private contractors. I listened at the workshop as we heard testimony of trck
load afer trck load of cement tued away day afer day on the DowneylMalad projec.
Ifwe have professionas doing these jobs, shouldn't they be able to better judge the
amount of cement/supplies needed each day. Ifwe were as ineffcient in our own
occpations we wouldn't be afoat.
How do you as commissioners judge appropriately the effciency of the utility company?
How can we be proteced from paying for waste and lack of effciency?
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DOCTORIG THE RECORDS: I believe that companies have the ability to put on
paper as "a nee" anything they realy "want". What do you as commissioners do to
study the situation in such a way that you ca decipher between the wants of the utilty
company and the desire to get "more than enough increase" on the backs of everyone
who depds on utilities to sustain everday life?
AGRICULTURE: Unfortately, the agcultue industry, which depends a great dea
on electncity to produce food, canot really pass the increases on to the consmer. It is
well demonstrated by the "power shut down progr" used in the summer durng the
irrgation season when sellng the elecncity to consumers who will pay a lot (or dunng
high demand times) is more important that the producton offood. .i wonder if the power
company or the commission considers the effect that an increase of power rates will have
on agcultue---which is vital to keeing people from being hungr.
TIME OFDAY USERS: I see that "time of day users" rate increase was almost double
that of standard residential serce. Whle I understand that 15.6 % of the lesser rate is
not as great as 8% of the standard service, I stil don't understan why the double
increase. It sems that the purose of "time of day use" is to get people to use power
during the least demanding times. It appears that they tacked on the most increase they
dared and yet stll offer "time of day use". It would appea that rasing the percent of
"time of day use" should not be any higher than the standard servce. Afer alL, it is
designed to encourge more effciency.
THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE WORKHOP At the workshop, a question was asked
the four members who they worked for and who paid their saares. Also, they did not
indicate their saares. No clear answer was given. 1 was left with impression tht night
tht they were biased for the power company in their presentation. I also did not thnk
that the meeing was well publicized.
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