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BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
IN THE MATTER OF THE FILING BY
PACIFICORP DBA ROCKY MOUNTAIN
POWER FOR AUTHORITY TO INCREE Case No. PAC-E-07-05
ITS RATES FOR ELECTRIC SERVICE TO
ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS IN THE STATE
OF IDAHO
TRASCRIPT OF PUBLIC HEAING BEFORE
COMMISSIONER MACK A. REDFORD
COMISSIONER MASHA H. SMITH
COMMISSIONER JIM KEMPTON
PLACE: Gem Valley Performing Arts Center
704 South Main Street
Grace, IdahoDATE: November 1, 2007
VOLUME I: Pages 1 - 60
REPORTED BY:
DANIEL E. WILLIAMS, CSR No. 686, RPRNotary Public
1 APPEARCES:
2 For the Idaho Public Utilities Commssion:
3 Idao Attorney General's Offce
4 BYMR.SCOTTD. WOODBURY
5 472 West Washigton Street
6 P.O. Box 83720
7 Boise, Idaho 83720-0074
8 For PacifiCorp:
9 Rocky Mounta Power
10 BY MR. JUSTI L. BROWN
11 201 South Main Street, Suite 2300
12 Salt Lae City, Uta 84111
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3 TESTIONY OF BRYAN JENSEN
4 TESTIONY OF BOYCE 1. BARS
5 TESTIONY OF JOHN SCHWAR
6 TESTIONY OF TRNT CLAR
7 TESTIONY OF MICHAL VICE
8 TESTIONY OF KEVI KELLER
9 TESTIONY OF KENT HAON
10 TESTIONY OF CHAES TITCOMB
11 TESTIONY OF NEAL LARON
12 TESTIONY OF MA GlBBS
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1 PROCEEDINGS
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3 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: This is the
4 Public Utilities Commission, and we're about to
5 commence a hearg for public comment in the
6 matter of the application ofPacifiCorp, d//a
7 Rocky Mountain Power, for approval of changes to
8 its electrc service schedules. And it's Case
9 No. PAC-E-07-05.
10 Before we get staed, I should
11 introduce the Commission. To my right is
12 Marsha Smith. To my left is
13 Commissioner Kempton, Jim Kempton. And I'm
14 Mack Redford, and I'm chairig this hearing
15 tonight.
16 We welcome all of you to this hearg,
17 and there are a couple of things I'd like to say
18 before we get staed. There have been public
19 workshops in this Rocky Mountain Power rate case.
20 I believe one was in this area and also one of
21 them in, I thin Rexburg.
22 And it was at those workshops where
23 people had the opportity to ask questions of
24 the power company, Rocky Mountain Power, and also
25 to ask questions of the staff.
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1 If you'll notice, when you came in, 1 MR. WOODBURY: And what is your
2 there were a bunch of notebooks on the table in 2 address, sir?
3 front of the doors. Those notebooks are filled 3 MR. JENSEN: My address is 1657 Rich
4 with all of the filings and informtion and 4 Road, Grace, Idaho.
5 pre-filed testimony and other matters which mae 5 MR. WOODBURY: And you're a customer of
6 up this case. 6 PacifiCorp/Rocky Mountain Power?
7 I know you wouldn't have had an 7 MR. JENSEN: I am. I'm here
8 opportity to review those thigs. We just 8 representing the local school districts. I am
9 didn't have the ability to have a public place ;,i 109 the admnistrator with the Soda Springs School
10 where those items could be on display. District.
11 But we -- a couple ofthings also. 111 MR. WOODBURY: You may give your
12 We're not able to answer questions, so tonight we 12 testimony.
13 wil be tag your testimony. If you determe 13 MR. JENSEN: Than you.
14 you would like to testify -- and ths wil be 14 These comments are addressed to the
15 under oath and Commssioner Smith, prior to the 15 Idaho Public Utìlties Commssion in reference to
16 time that you commence your testimony, wil ask ! 16 Case No. PAC-E-07-05 regarding PacifiCorp/Rocky
17 you to be sworn under oath. i 17 Mountain Power's proposed rate increase for the
18 There aren't many other rules. We ;,i",I....,.. 2118~ Soda Sprigs-Caibou County area.
19 would like, if you do testify, to mae sure that These comments are paricularly
20 we have your testimony about matters which directed towards the increase of rates both for
21 involve the rate case. And I'm sure that wil be ! 21 Monsanto and Agrium, though the increase to local
22 the case. ! 22 irigators is also of concern.
23 And so without fuer adieu, I'll open !,i, 2234 These comments are supported by the
24 the matter up to the people that have signed up. superintendents of each school district residing
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1 Bryan Jensen, who has signed up to give his 12 public testiony. 2
3 Also, I might add before you sta, 3
4 once you've completed your. testimony, the 4
5 commssioners may ask some questions of you 5
6 and/or the sta attorney for the Public 6
7 Utilities Commssion, and also the attorney for i 7
8 Rocky Mounta Power might have some questions. i 89 So, Marsha? 9
10 Oh, yes, fist, we better do that, is i'IO
11 tae the appearces of our attorneys, please. ! 11
12 MR. BROWN: Justin Brown, counsel for 11213 Rocky Mountain Power. 113
14 MR. WOODBURY: Scott Woodbur, deputy i 14
15 attorney general, for the Commssion staff. ! 15ff Iff17 BRYAN JENSEN i 17
18 fit duly sworn to tell the trfu relating to 11819 said cause, testified as follows: i 1920 ! 20
21 MR. WOODBURY: Mr. Jensen, would you ! 21
22 please state your ful name and spell your last i 22
23 name for the record. i 23
24 MR. JENSEN: My name is Bryan Jensen. i 24
25 My last name is spelled J-e-n-s-e-n. i 25
Soda Sprigs Distrct 150; Dr. Gar Brogan Grace
School Distrct 148; and Mr. Kent Stokes, Nort
Gem School Distrct No. 149.
The distrcts curently serve a tota
of 1,488 students and employ some 300
individuas.
The distrcts acknowledge that
PacifiCorp is entitled to make a reasonable
profit and that state statute requies that the
reguated elective utilities be allowed to
recover all presently incured expenses, in
addition to a rate retu tht is reasonable for
repayment, but not for the company to attact
capita investment in new transmission
distrbution and generation.
The distrcts are diectly afected by
the local economy and arehighy dependent upon
local industr and agrcultue.
The distrcts have several notable
concerns:
No.1, the economic impact to the area
and the schools. The distrcts are concerned
with the potential economic. impact to the area
and to the local school distrcts as a result of
the proposed rate increase for Monsanto and
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1 Agrum.
2 As you're aware, school distrcts are
3 priarily fuded based on average daily
4 attendance and, therefore, are financially
5 controlled by the population in the area. Area
6 schools are presently strggling due to declin
7 enrollment. Any loss of industr would be
8 detrental to local schools.
9 School distrcts in Carbou County have
10 curently intiated several cost-saving
11 strtegies in an attempt to remain viable. The
12 districts have intiated a four-day school week
13 in all of its buildings. In addition, two of the
14 thee school distrcts curently have
15 supplementa utilities.
16 The distrcts fear that local industr
17 wil not be able to remain competitive and,
18 therefore, be forced to close. Past closures
19 have been devastating to the local economy.
20 Monsanto faced a 17 percent increase
21 recently and is facing an even larger increase
22 this year.
23 In addition, the distrcts are
24 concerned that dramatic increases in rates would
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1 locatig in the area. PacifCorp would be
2 inescapable enough and lose Monsanto and Agrum
3 as electrcity cusomers. Carbou County and the
4 distrcts could not surve the closure.
5 Monsto and Agrum are a viable par
6 of the communties. They contribute not only to
7 the economic welfare of the county but to the
8 thee school distrcts in parer with the
9 varous schools with any kid of donations of
10 time and expertse. They provide money to the
11 thee education foundations.
12 In addition, Monsantohas contrbuted
13 to education at the state level by helping design
14 a new math curculum geared at helping rual
15 schools to meet the math stadards. Both
16 companes are try frends of education and a
17 valuable asset to the county.
18 Point No.2, growt. The distrcts are
19 extremely concerned about the local communties
20 payig for growt outside of the Carbou County
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The distrcts understad that growt in
other areas allegedly help support local
servces; however, the distrcts feel that even
if there are some benefits to the entie system
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1 when growt occurs in other states and areas, the
2 local economy does not benefit from tht growt.
3 F or intace, growt in another state
4 causing the need for PacifiCorp for expansion
5 also brigs with it population growt in the
6 school systems and jobs in the imediate area.
7 The Carbou County area is not benefitting from
8 ths tye of growt, but it is payig for it
9 though rate increases.
10 Though the distrcts may recive the
11 so-called benefits to all customers though the
12 growt in the other areas, the distrcts do not
13 receive the residua effect of the growt in the
14 way of student population.
15 In closing, the distrcts want to
16 reiterate that their major concern is tht the
17 proposed rate increases to Monsto and Agrum
18 as well as local farers, could adversely afect
19 the local economy and, in tu the local
20 schools.
21 The distrcts would like to than the
22 Commssion for its tie and effort in ths
23 matter and implore the Commssion to consider the
24 possible economic impact to the communties and
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industr is not able to remain competitive and
viable.
Than you.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Are there any
questions from the Commission?
COMMSSIONER SMITH: No.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Are there any
from the attorneys?
MR WOODBURY: Yes.
Mr. Jensen, I understand your comments
as to being concerned with continued operation of
Agrium and Monsanto and the rates that our
farers face. Are you concerned also with the
electric rate of the schools in Grace?
MR. JESEN: You know, when I went to
the original meetings, the major increases were
to industr and to the irgators. And the way
they made us understad that the increases to
public entities and to the houses would be fairly
minimal compared to what -- what happens to
industr. And, quite frany, our major concern
is without the industr, our communities die--
MR. WOODBURY: Okay.
MR. JENSEN: -- and so we have no
schools.
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16 MR. WOODBURY: I'm sorr.
17 I asked for a clarfication regarding
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20 Than you.
21 MR BROWN: I have no questions.
22 Than you for your comments,
23 Mr. Jensen.
24 MR JENSEN: I appreciate your time.
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MR. WOODBURY: Okay. And then you
understad, also, that the Soda Springs schools
are served by the muncipality electric
company --
MR. JENSEN: Yes.
MR. WOODBURY: -- and not PacifiCorp?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKR: It's hard to
hear you back here.
MR. WOODBURY: I'll tr to speak up.
I asked for a clarfication that --
COMMSSIONER SMITH: You can use the
MR. WOODBURY: Pardon?
COMMSSIONER SMITH: Speak into the
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9 MR.WOODBURY: Mr. Barnes, wil you
10 please state your full name and spell your last
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12 MR. BARS: It's Boyce J. Bares,
13 B-a-r-n-e-s.
14 MR. WOODBURY: And what is your
15 address, sir?
16 MR. BARS: It's -- I'm speakng on
17 behalfofB.J. Bares & Sons Trucking, and the
18 business address is J 824 East U.S. Highway 30,
19 McCamon, Idaho.
20 MR; WOODBURY: Okay. And that business
21 is a customer of Rocky Mountain Power?
22 MR. BARS: It's a customer of
23 Monsanto.
24 MR. WOODBURY: All right. You may give
25 your statement.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Than you very
n1uch, Mr. Jensen.
The next witness is Boyce J. Barnes.
BOYCEJ. BARS,
first dulyswom to tell the trth relating to
said cause, testified as follows:
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1 MR. BARS: Than you very much.
2 B.J. Bares & Sons Truckig is a small
3 closely-held corporation, and we've been in
4 business for 30 years in ths area. We deal with
5 dai farers. We haul raw far milk from da
6 far in to the processing plant. And then a
7 year ago, we picked up a contract with Monsanto,
8 brigig in different products for their company.
9 Both sides of my business are afected by rate
10 increases.
11 I've watched -- over the 30 years in
12 the da industr, I've watched what's happened
13 to the famly far. 30 yeas ago, when I
14 staed hauling milk, it was fathers-and-sons and
15 famly fars. And that is going away.
16 Everyg is -- they're having to get
17 bigger. Dai far are incorporatig and
18 becomig big entities. And peple are being
19 forced to give up their lifestles because of the
20 trend of what's happenig in business now.
21 A yea ago, we staed -- a yea ago,
22 in December, we staed hauling for Monsanto, and
23 it is keeping our company viable, that and the
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1 the 30 famlies that depend on my company for a
2 living.
3 And ths -- as has been testified,
4 Monsanto had an increase last year of 17 percent,
5 and another request for another 33 percent.
6 That's almost 50 percent in justa little over a
7 year. Tht's -- how does any company, no matter
8 how big or small -- how do you surive somethg
9 like that?
10 On the da far side, with the ground
11 waterig and the fuel costs and everyg else
12 that's planed, where does it end? You know,
13 everybody is wanting more increased, more and
14 more and more. Prett soon where are we going to
15 go to getour food? You know, to me, somehow,
16 some way we've got to -- some of ths has got to
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Lake City, we -- my company was hauling
two-and-a-half millon tons of raw milk a day,
and we was--basically, if you dran any milk in
22 the Salt Lae area or the area surounding it,
23 that milk was transported from the da fars or
24 to the processing plants, whichever one it was,
25 by my company.
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1 There was a group of dair farers that 1
2 staed being disgrtled with the purchaser of 2
3 the milk in Belmont, Uta and they up and quit. 3
4 They provided -- or formed their own co-op and 4
5 pulled out, oh, about a thid of my business. 56 That was devastating to me, as we 6
7 staed. But the only recourse I had at that 7
8 time was to look withi, to look in my company 8
9 and see where the fat was, see where we were 9
10 wasting money. Because I didn't have any options 10
11 of replacing that, that business. 11
12 So we looked withi, and even rug 12
13 50 trcks at that time, we were able to look at 13
14 where our fat was, cut the fat out, and we 14
15 maitained a fairy decent profit level, even 15
16 though we lost a substatial amount of income 16
17 though these dair farers going and setting up 1718 their own co-op. 18
19 There are other ways to make money or 19
20 save money than to just keep increasing what 20
21 people pay. And that's the point that -- that I 21
22 wanted to make here tonight. 22
23 You know, PacifiCorp is a big company. 23
24 You know, I'm sure that there's ways that money 24
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1 increases all the time.
2 The way I understad this, it's the
3 only phosphorus plant in North America that's
4 stil working. And if this plant closes, then it
5 goes overseas and goes out of the countr. And
6 it does devastate not only Caribou County but the
7 people from Bannock County, McCamon, a lot of my
8 neighbors, people from Pocatello, people from the
9 Downey area also depend on Monsanto for their
10 livelihood.
11 We all are faced with increases, and,
12 you know, costs keep going up. Well, where does
13 it end?
14 Every year -- and I know this is -- I'm
15 using this as an example, but every year my
16 insurance agent comes back for my health
17 insurance and tells me, "You're lucky this year.
18 You only had a 15 percent increase or a
19 20 percent increase." Well, after five years,
20 that's a 100 percent increase in my health
21 insurance premiums for my employees.
22 Like I say, somehow, some way we need
23 to put an end -- or we need to get things
24 reasonable with this.
25 Rate increases every year are not
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reasonable, and the set rate -- we should set
rates and hold them to three or four years, and
then they should be reasonable at that point.
Excuse me.
You, the Idaho Public Utilities
Commissioners, are appointed to represent us, the
customer, and set fair and reasonable rates. You
need to help us -- gain from us an understading
of what the impact is upon us, the people, when
it gets right down to the grassroots of not
having to give up our lifestyles.
And that's all I have to say. Than.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Any questions
from the Commissioners?
COMMSSIONER SMI: Nothing from me.
MR. WOODBURY: No questions.
Than you, Mr. Bares.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Than you,
Mr. Bares. Appreciate it.
John Schwar.
JOHN SCHWAR,
first duly sworn to tell the trth relating to
said cause, testified as follows:
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1 MR. WOODBURY: Mr. Schwar, would you
2 please state your full name and spell your last
3 name.
4 MR SCHWAR: I wil. John Schwar
5 S-c-h-w-a-r-z. I reside at 1010 Center in
6 McCamon, Idaho.
7 MR. WOODBURY: And are you an electrc
8 customer of Rocky Mountain Power?
9 MR. SCHWAR: Yes, I am.
10 MR. WOODBURY: Okay. You may give your
11 testimony.
12 MR. SCHWAR: I've been watching rate
13 increases now for the past few year. And I'm
14 disabled, and I'm on a very fixed income. And I
15 speak for a lot of people, I'm sure.
16 Even though we're on governent
17 assistace, if you want to call it that -- I
18 mean, I get Medicae. Our Medicare costs are
19 going up. Ou utilties in McCamon are going
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Personally, I don't know how we're
going -- any of the disabled people in the
countr are going to be able to meet our needs,
especially with rate increaes on utilities one
after another.
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1 We've got to be able to get a handle on 1 questions?
2 it. There has to be an incentive for the 2 MR. WOODBURY: Are you aware as to
3 company -- and I understad growt and the 3 whether PacifiCorp has any customer assistace
4 technology that needs to be invested in, but I 4 programs to help you paying the bils?
5 thi there's other ways to do this. There's 5 MR. SCHWAR: Yes. But if you have a
6 others ways to make the cuts intead of makng 6 certin income -- they don't base it by your net
7 the customer bear the. burden. There has to be 7 income. They base it by your gross.8 other -- other means. 8 Well, in my paricular terms, I'm paid
9 I'm not sure what they are. I've 9 under workmen's compo They give me plenty money
10 looked into several thgs. I know Rocky i 10 of to live on, but unfortnately, the lawyer gets
11 Mountain Power has a wid energy deal that ¡:i., 1121 a third of it. And I don't get to deduct his
12 they -- that I've paid in to. Once every few fees, you know?
13 months I give them a few dollars. I've never 113 That's what I mean. We've got to find
14 seen any retu on the investment. And we need an adjustment for the people that are injured and
15 to know what those investments are and how are on a fixed income. And it's just not me.
16 they're -- and how they're strctuing their I've talked to plenty of people in McCamon that17 expenditues. are on social security, 70 years old, that are
18 I understad there was a big pitfall in having a tough time meeting these bils, but yet
19 their softare program in their estimated costs. they have an income above the minimum income
20 That isn't my fault. That isn't the customers' leveL. So basically we've got to figure out an
;~ fault I underd ful costS are goin up, !.!2~231 answe~ WOODBURY: Than you.
23 and the costs are rising for everybody. And a, MR BROWN: I have no questions.
24 reasonable rate increase is accepted. But when i 24 Thans for your comments, Mr. Schwarz.
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1 ridiculous. .We've got to get a handle on it 12 somewhere. 2
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4 people in their homes to give up eating just so 4
5 they can pay their energy and utility bils. 5
6 And I'm not just talkig about Rocky 6
7 Mountain Power. We've had increases in gas, 7
8 water, sewer, and trsh services. Everyhing is 8
9 going up. We have to have a way -- find away, 9
10 do something, form some kind of committee to :,!, 1101.
11 study the way we can geta handle on these rate12 increases. I 12
13 That's about all I've got to say. j 13
14 Than you. ! 14
15 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Any questions 11516 fromthe Commissioners? i 16
17 COMMSSIONER SMITH: . Just one. i 17
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21 MR SCHWAR: r mean natual gas.and 1 21
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COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Thanyou,
Mr. Schwarz.
Trent Clark.
TRNT CLAR
first duly sworn to tell the trth relating to
said cause, testified as follows:
MR. CLAR: My name is Trent Clark,
C-l-a-r-k. I'm a resident of Soda Sprigs and
director of public and governent affairs for
Monsanto Company. lam here to testify in that
capacity but also as an active member of the
Chaber of Commerce, our state business
association, and the Idao Rurl Development
CounciL.
Specifically what I wanted to ta
about is -- I don't know if any of you
commissioners are Cheers fans, but Cliff Clavin,
the mailman on Cheers, is a gentleman played by
an actor naed John Ratzenberger.
And you'll see Cliff (sic) appearg as
a character actor in a number of movies and TV
episodes frquently, butnot right now. And the
reason you won't see hi right now is because
he's taen on a new job.
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1 Mr. Ratzenberger has decided, afer 1 baners in New Y orka long time ago found out
2 going back to his hometown in the Midwest, to 2 that they would like a little piece of the
3 become the national spokesperson for the Allance 3 American dream in the West. And so they came out
4 for American Manufactug, and he's put his 4 and paid very large sums of money for their
5 hear and passion into that. And he now goes 5 little sumer home cabins.
6 around the countr and holds town hall meetings 6 And for the most par, they built in
7 to.Americans and tr to wake them up as to what 7 places out of Carbou County, but in the last
8 is happening with our American manufactug 8 decade, they discovered Carbou County. And some9 base. 9 of them actully bougt land right up against
10 I went to the Allance for American 10 Monsanto's land that is -- that was actully
11 Manufactug's Web site. And it actully has a 11 owned by Monsanto for the purpose of mining
12 map oftheentire United States, and you can 12 eventully.
13 actully click on the map state by state. 13 And you can imagine what they thi
14 And this is what it says for the state 14 when we announce, "Oh, by the way, we're going to
15 of Idaho. It does point out that maufactung 15 go and, in the next five to six years, sta
16 is Idaho's No. 1 sector contrbuting to our gross 16 mig tht land." Because they bought -- you
17 state product, but that, from 2000 to 2007, Idao 17 know, they bought this land not necessarly to
18 lost 4,100. manufactug jobs. 18 see a mine out their front widow.
19 In fact, according to the Alliance for 19 These individuals, by the way, have
20 American Manufactug, in the last two decades, 20 contrbuted -- it's hard to tell because the
21 the American manufactung sector has roughy 21 books are not open, but we know at least $200,000
22 shr in half. 22 to an effort to stop the ming. Because that's
23 What concerns me about that is: Can 23 the easiest way to preserve the value of their
24 any society be strong into the futue if it gives 24 investment is just block the mine. So we're
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1 Manufactug is the providing of the 1
2 goods that provide for the quaity of life that 2
3 we have. And if we give up our manufactug 3
4 sector and become dependent on overseas 4
5 manufactuers, we give up a lot. 56 Not just the good jobs and the 6
7 contrbution to the economy, but as we're fiding 7
8 out, we also give up some of our ability to 8
9 control the quality of the goods and services, 9
10 the -- you know, the health and safety of those 10
11 very goods that are comig into our borders. 11
12 With specific reference to the case 12
13 that is before you, what you have is a proposed 13
14 signficant increase on a number of interests 1415 that I specifically want to address: The 15
16 increase that is proposed to Monsanto; to a 1617 lesser extent, New West. 17
18 The increase that is proposed is ofa 18
19 magntude that the burden on these industres 19
20 concern me greatly. And I say that because you 20
21 do understad that ths isn't the only burden 2122 ths industr is facing right now. 22
23 Our proposed mies for the next decade 23
24 happen to be located right next door to some land 24
25 that was discovered -- I mean, wealthy investment 25
own land?"
Surogate issues have been raised, the
selenium issue -- which, by the way, is very
frstrating for Monsanto because, afer
$9 millon of investigation, we haven't found a
sick salamander, an unealthy mouse, a dead bird,
anytg on our mie properties.
In fact, the news ha been mostly. good,
as we've done research on selenium. We've found
that good sediment control over the past has
tued out to be good selenium control as well.
And yet we fid ths issue thown back to us so
that our hemorrhagig of dollars is going beyond
9 millon into 10, 11, 12, 13.
Mr. Jensen pointed out -- even
somethig that's commendable, like the rasing of
the state science and math standads. It's a
wonderf thg. Industr needs it.
But in rul communities like we have
over here, it has the effect of forcing schools
to say, "Okay. Ifwe have to have science and
math, whatare we going to let go?"And many of
the schools decided to let go their ar, music,
drama, speech, debate, the humanties.
What's problematic for that --andif
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1 any of you have read Tom Friedman's "The Earh is 1 And that's why I say the rate that has
2 Flat," a book where he -- he's the business 2 been proposed, you couldn't just look at it by
3 reporter for The New York Times. He notes that 3 itself. You have to look at the degree to which
4 the skil set needed in the futue is science and 4 it adds one more layer on top of all these other
5 math, coupled with intuition and imagination. 5 costs that are the very reason that
6 Well, the problem that we have is if 6 John Ratzenberger is out trg to convince
7 you just teach the science and math and don't i 7 Americans to wake up and pay attention to what's
8 have music, ar, drama, speech, and debate, you 1 8 happenig to our U.S. manufactung. The layer
9 get science and math, but you lose some of those ! 9 is so heavy that we lose them.
10 disciplines that help train people in intuition i,.i.i1101 And that being my concluding comment,
11 and imagination creativity. So we end up with please -- I know you know your duties, and you do
12 employees that are off balance. ! 12 it well, but tae it very seriously with regard
13 So that's the very reason that we i 13 to ths case. Do not allow costs that should not
14 jumped in. It wasn't just out of the goodness of 114 be brough forward into Monsanto's rate to be
15 our hears. This was self-preservation, that we ¡ 15 brought there.
16 jumped in to talk to the state departent of 116 Because as you know, once it's there,
17 education to say, "Can you come up with a 117 it will never be removed. It wil become par of
18 curiculum that teaches ar while you teach i 18 the burden that that manufactung operation has
19 geometr, that teaches earth science while you i 19 to bear. And if any amount of burden is there
20 teach photography, that teaches physics while you 120 that is beyond what it needs to bear, it could21 teach some music?" 121 potentially underme the viability of the22 Many -- well, actually, ! 22 operation.
23 Commissioners Smith and Kempton have attended, in ! 23 The other alterntive in the world
24 the last couple of days, a foru in Boise on ! 24 today is Chi, and so, very realistically, the
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1 sponsor of that foru. We weren't just a. 1
2 sponsor; we,were on the planing commttee, 2
3 helped design the progr. And you may have 3
4 caught that we had provided one of the keynote 4
5 speakers for the foru. 56 Did we, again, do that out ofthe 6
7 goodness of our hears? I'd like say yes, but 7
8 actully no.' .. We did that becalle we leared over 8
9 time that climate change issues are going to come 9
10 down and we wil see reguation On that issue. ! 10
11 And it is better for our own surival to be ahead III
12 of the cure rather than behind the cure. And ! 12
13 that's why we were involved. i 13
14 But, again, when we staed lookig at 114
15 what needs to be done, Monsanto · has agreed to be :.i. 1156
16 par of the Chicago Exchange. It's a voluntar
17 decision on our par, again, mainy, out of ;,: 1178
18 surivaL. We thnk it's important for us to do
19 that now so that when the regulation hits us, 119
20 we're not caught off gud. 1 2021 But it's cost. Everying I justi,12221
22 mentioned you may thi has nothing to. do with
23 power. It has everyhig to do with this rate i 23
24 decision because each of these thgs that we're 124
25 facing is onè more layering of cos toii top of us. 125
the loss of American manufacturing, to be
dependent on weakness.
We found out in the last couple of days
it's an industry that wil probably just chur
out a whole lot of carbon dioxide, wil produce
phosphorous, and wil round up from sources that
are not environmentally sustainable if we lose
this operation here. And I encourage you to
consider that.
And I'm open for any questions you may
have.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: 'Any questions?
Scott.
MR. WOODBURY: Mr. Clark, do you
believe -- should Rocky Mountain Power be
required to provide energy to Monsanto at less
than the cost of producing and delivering that
energy incurs?
MR. CLAR: I believe that Rocky
Mountain Power should provide energy to Monsanto
at its variable cost of producing the power, plus
a contribution to the fixed cost, as determined
appropriate by the Commission.
MR. WOODBURY: Than you.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Any questions?
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1 MR. BROWN: No questions. 1 somehow offset their prices of doing business,2 Than you, Mr. Clark. 2 passing that on to their customers.
3 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Thank you for 3 So as a member of the Chamber board and
4 your testimony, Mr. Clark. 4 also the City Council in Lava Hot Sprigs, we
5 We'll now call Michael Vice. 5 encourage you to do your best, and we appreciate
6 6 the work that the Commssioners are doing, to7 MICHAL VICE, 7 just tr to help us with ths issue.
8 first duly sworn to tell the trth relating to 8 As a city, whenever we need to propose
9 said cause, testified as follows: 9 a rate increase on our citiens, we can impose a10 10 3 percent increase. But state law restrcts us
11 MR. VICE: My name is Michael Vice. 11 from going above 3 percent, uness we tae it to
12 The last name is V, as in Victor, i-c-e. I live 12 the voting public. And if that does not pass a
13 at 104 Eat Fife Street in Lava Hot Springs in 13 60 percent vote, then we're stuck with what we
14 Bannock County. I'm also on the City Council 14 have to work with. We work with what we have.
15 with the City of Lava Hot Springs, so rm here on 15 And in a lot of cases, it might not be a lot, so
16 behalf of the City Council of Lava Hot Springs. 16 we have to budget and we have to work with it.
17 And I'm also on the board for the Lava Hot 17 And we just hope you'll keep that in
18 Springs Chamber of Commerce. 18 mid and do your best to work with what you have.
19 In Lava Hot Springs we are a small 19 And we realize, as a city, that you do need to
20 town, approximately 520 people, approximately 20 have rate increases, but it will have a profound
21 187 homes within the city limits, and 21 impact on the communties, especially citizens in
22 surrisingly, 74 businesses within our city 22 the communties tht are on a fixed income.
23 limits. We are a tourst town because of the hot 23 Besides my involvement with the Chamber
24 springs. 24 of Commerce and the City Council, I'm also
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1 thigs that we are facing, as 149 of the other i
2 cities of the 206 cities in Idaho, we're facing 2
3 an outdated wastewater treatment facility that's 3
4 over 20 years old. And we need to come up with 4
5 between $10 and $13 millon to upgrade our 5
6 wastewater treatment facility. 6
7 We're workig very dilgently on that, 7
8 tring to save money that we can to put toward 8
9 grants and loan that we've applied for, because 9
10 with those grant ,and loan applications, there 10
11 needs to be a certin monetar match. 11
12 We've already set our city budget for 112
13 fiscal year 2008, and unortately, not knowing 13
14 about these proposed rate increases, it would 14
15 have an impact on our city street lights and 15
16 just-- we're very concerned about the citizens 1617 with the community. 17
18 We have a lot of citizens there that 18
19 are ona fixedincome that -- as you've already 19
20 heard tonight from some of the people. That rate 20
21 increase would probably be diffcult for numerous 21
22 of our residents. Also, businesses with our 22
23 communty -- the 74 businesses in the Chamber of 23
24 Commerce would also be impacted by the rate 24
25 increase, and thus, I imagine, would have to 25
specialist. So now I'm also fearing for what
happens if my employer has to shut down, like
what happened with FMC in Pocatello.
I moved out here 15 years ago from the
Ilinois-Wisconsin area, and I really love it out
here in southeast Idaho. I want to call ths
home forever, and I want to stay. But if my
employer has to shut down because they can't keep
up with costs from rate increases, then I'll have
to move too.
So I thank you for your time, and I
than you for this opportity to talk and for
hearg us.
Thank you.
COMMSSIONER SMITH: No questions.
COMMSSIONER KEMPTON: No questions.
COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Scott?
MR. WOODBURY: No questions.
Thank you.
MR. BROWN: No questions.
Than, Mr. Vice.
COMMSSIONERREDFORD: Thank you,
Mr. Vice. Appreciate it.
Kevin Keller,
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first duly sworn to tell the trth relating to
said cause, testified,as follows:
MR. KELLER: I'm Kevin Keller.
Is this on? I don't like microphones.
Kevin Keller. Lat name is spelled
K-e-l-l-e-r.
I should say at the outset --
MR. WOODBURY: Where do you reside,
1 discussed here tonight. Some of these things
2 have been touched on already.
3 Let's get the competitive thig out of
4 the way. Sure, if the electrc rates go up a
5 little bit, the fuel I sell is a little more
6 competitive. I am not'convinced -- in fact, I'm
7 convinced otherwse, that the har that the
8 region would sufer and my company, in tu
9 would sufer with the rate increase that we're
10 tang about, paricularly as they apply to the
11 local phosphate industr, is.more to my company
12 as a large measure than we can hope to ever
13 recover by having a slight price advantage
14 over--.over the electrc rates.
15 I understad Rocky Mountain's position,
16 that they have -- that the costs are rising, that
17 it's diffcult to deal with all ofthe things
18 that we're doing, because on a smaller scale, my
19 business is having to deal with some of the same
20 thigs.
21 Obviously, fuel prices are areal
22 problem. We're in the fuel business. , But the
23 amount of fuel it taes. for us to get our
24 business done to deliver the product that we have
25 to sell is -- it's a big expense. ' Our regular
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2 I know tht Rocky Mountain is also
3 experiencing -- as are we -- experiencing large
4 increases in the cost of health inurce and of
5 business and liability inurce.
6 And I know -- and I'm sure a lot of
7 people in here who wonder why their rates. are
8 going up have no idea the tremendous load that
9 Rocky Mountain Power, in addition to all
10 industr, is having thrt upon them without
11 governent mandates having to do with
12 environmental regulation and homeland securty.
13 These rues just keep coming down the
14 pike one after another afer another, with all
15 the costs tht you have to put up with and that
16 we have to put up too. So I understad Rocky
17 Mountain's position. It's a diffcult thig.
18 The costs are comig up, and there's
19 going to have to be something done. They're
20 going to hav~ raise rates. There's no way -- in
21 order for us to have service at the level which
22 weare accustomed to, rates are going to have to
23 come up.
24 That having been said, I'm really
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1 thereof, of how -- of how this rate increase is
2 strctued in that so much is being applied to
3 the local industr here, to the phosphate
4 industr.
5 As you go around our local communities
6 here -- it was good for me to listen to the
7 gentleman from the school distrct, because he
8 talked about how much the school district depends
9 on the people and the families who are here, not
10 just the fact that they provide war bodies to
11 fill the seats in the school, but a lot of
12 spouses and family members of Monsanto and Agrum
13 employees are employees of the distrct. I have
14 thee employees of my own whose spouses work in
15 the phosphate industr.
16 The local health care entities -- the
17 hospital, other professional organiztions -- are
18 staffed largely by people whose spouses often
19 work in the phosphate industr. The hospitals,
20 all-- many of the other local businesses, this
21 is thesamerelationship that they have, is one
22 breadwinner works in the downtown store or in the
23 dentist's offce or at the school or in the
24 libra, and the other one works in the phosphate
25 industr.
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1 Were we to lose the phosphate industr 1
2 because of the piling on of these expenses of 2 MR. HAON: Post Offce Box 133,
3 which ths rate increase is a very large par, we 3 Soda Springs, Idaho.
4 would see -- the economy and the social strctue 4 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Than you.
5 of southeast Idao, I feel, would implode. I 5 Please go ahead.
6 would have to lay help off. I do not know if my 6 MR. HAON: I'm here as a concerned
7 business could stad the number of people who 7 citizen. I work here in the area, work in the
8 would leave. 8 phosphate industr. I am concerned about the
9 There are those who say, "Well, they 9 increase that's proposed for the manufactug.
10 would leave -- they would go someplace else and 10 This has been heard already.
11 fid work, and someone else would come and buy 11 I work in the accounting group of one
12 their propert. We are in a beautifu area, and 12 of the local businesses, and I know the impact
13 that's what would happen." 13 that the proposed rate increase would have on our
14 I would like to point out that most of 14 utilty costs. Electrcity is one of the major
15 those who would come and buy the propert are not 15 ingredients to makng our process work.
16 residents of the area Most who would buy the 16 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Would you use
17 homes -- especially where I have a lot of 17 the microphone, please.18 business, in the Bear Lake area -- would be 18 MR HAON: Is that better?
19 par-time residents who wouldn't serve on the 19 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Yes.
20 librar board, who wouldn't be in the PTA, who 20 MR. HAON: -- one ofthe ingredients
21 would not volunteer for every good communty 21 of makig our process work.
22 event, that the famies who live here and have a 22 We've been in business here for a long
23 stae in ths economy have been a par of. 23 time, and we've provided a lot of work for
24 We've got a good thng going here. I 24 myself, as well as a lot of other people, as
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1 tenuous this position is and how much southeast
2 Idaho depends on the input and contribution to
3 the economy that the phosphate industr and, more
4 particularly, the people who work there give us.
5 Manufactuing is key to our
6 communities. And I don't really believe that
7 it's possible to have a viable economy where Bob
8 fixes Joe's car and Joe washes Bob's clothes.
9 You can't just make it on the service industr.
10 The manufactuing is very important. And the
11 manufacturing industr here is severely
12 threatened by the rate case that you have in
13 front of you here.
14 Than you.
15 MR WOODBURY: No questions.
16 Thank you.
17 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Than you very
18 much, Mr.Keller.
19 Kent Harmon.
20 MR. HAON: I'm Kent Harmon,
21 Soda Springs.
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said caufie, testified as follows:
1 like this can be devastating to a manufactuing
2 facility or any other facility.
3 I realize there are increased costs,
4 but one of my concerns is: Where are those costs
5 comig from? We don't have tremendous growth
6 here in southeast Idaho, like there are in other
7 service areas that Rocky Mountain services. So
8 one of my concerns would be: Are these rate
9 increases reflecting some of the costs, the
10 infastrctue changes, and so forth, to support
11 new development in Rocky Mountain's coverage?
12 I believe that - because the
13 inastrctue has been here for many, many
14 years -- there would notto. be substantial
15 increases of that inastrctue to support the
16 industries and the homes and so fort in the
17 area. So as far as increased costs in that
18 maner, I don't -- I just can't see where that
19 comes from.
20 Those are the main points that I would
21 like to make, is thatthe -- again, the rate
22 increases, the magnitude of them, and. the
23 disparity of who's getting those rates.
24 Than you.
25 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Any questions?
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5 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Is there anyone I 5 some increases, especially in our water because
6 else who hasn't signed up who would like to ! 6 it jus wasn't keeping up basicaly.
7 testify? If so, come on down.. 7 And right now we've .been strapped with '
8 8 drougt conditions, so our water pumping costs9 CHAES TITCOMB, i 9 have been astronomical the last few years. · And
10 first duly sworn to tell the truth relating to i 10 with ths increase, that1s going to just strap us
11 said cause, testified as follows: i 11 even more, just as it will an irgator.
12 i 12 And right now we're in the process of a
13 MR. TITCOMB: Charles Titcomb, 113 water and awastewater study. Some of the
14 T-i-tc-o-m-b,310 North Fourth East, Grace, ! 14 improvements that we have to make are going to be
15 Idaho. 115 mandated. To be able to get grant fuds, they
16 MR. WOODBURY: Could you hold up your j 16 mandate, youknow~ that we have to have water17 microphone? i 17 meters. That's not somethg we've had in the
18 MR. TITCOMB: Sure. 118 past. And so tht's going to be a very big
19 And I'm currently the mayor of Grace, : 19 expense up front just for our water project. And
20 so I'd like to just tae a minute of your time 120 right now we're just lookig at the options.
21 and just express some of the feelings that, you 121 You've heard that Soda Sprigs just
22 know, we as a community have, and me representing 122 went though a wastewater project -- or is in the
23 the constituents of the City of Grace. 1 23 process right now, and that was basically
24 .. The first concern I have -- and, youi 24 mandated. Y ouknow, it wasn't like their system
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1 know, is going to be repetition but maybe on a
2 different angle.
3 We're concerned about the 6.7 percent
4 residential increase. You know, you mentioned
5 Soda Sprigs, they -.. you know, have a muncipal
6 power. We don't. It's all Rocky Mountain Power.
7 And also the irrgation users, we're concerned
8 about them also. They're a big par of our
9 communty.
10 And, you know, this increase, that's
11 coming afer we lost a BP A credit., And I know
12 that wasn't Rocky Mountain Power's fault, but
13 it's somethig that stil happened and has
14 afected -- has affected our community already,
15 where we just recently lost that.
16 The one other concern that I have is a
17 20.7 percent increase on our public street
18 lights. Ths is a safety issue in our community.
19 And now that's going to go up by 20 percent.
20 It's jusfuneal. And it's a burden, as it is
21 right now, you know, because we are a small
22 communty.
23 I know there's other street lights that
24 should be put in now that we're going to have to
25 wait on. There's no way we're going to be' able
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we're going to be faced with that same thing in a
year. And so we're looking at both of those
studies right now.
It's just going to have an astronomical
impact on our communty, and especially our
residential -- you know, our service rates for
infastrctue.
Our growth --the challenge -- one of
the biggest challenges we have, and you've heard
already in testimony, is our growth is minaL.
We're a small rual communty, and we don't have
the industr that Soda Sprigs has. Even though
our communty is made up of --, a share of our
population rely on that industr for their income
also.
And so we're all kid of bound in the
same nest, so to speak. .Because basically Grace
is an agrcultue communty. But with the base
that we have, because of being agrcultual and
the decline that they have now, we -- you know,
we don't have thatbase. We can't rely on tht
anymore.
So we rely on those that basically come
here as a bedroom communty. They live here,
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1 . work elsewhere. And so we rely on that, .but 1
2 that -- but our population is miaL. Our -- 2
3 and so to defray these costs that I've been 3
.,4 talkng about, including this power increase, our 4
5 inastrctue costs that are coming that we 5 MR. LARSON: My name is Neal Lason.
6 don't have real control of, it just -- it just 6 I'm the mayor of Preston. And I reside at
7 has to pass on to the consumer. 7 57 South 100 Eat Street in Preston.
8 So basically our residents are getting 8 And I really didn't come here to do
9 hit twice. Their power rates are going to go up 9 ths, but afer hearng the other communties
10 and also their inastrctue services are going 10 stad up and -- and give their reports to you, I
11 to go up just because all that has to pass on to 11 thought that it would be very beneficial if I
12 them. We don't have any way to defray those 12 did.
13 power costs that we're having in the county and 13 Of course, we're in the same boat as
14 other areas withi our city also. 14 other cities. We're going through some-- some
15 The industres that we've talked about 15 major growth spurs in our area. But the thng I
16 and have been discussed here -- as I mentioned, 16 really want to let you know is how importt the
17 many of the residents of our communty work at 17 phosphate industr is even to us. They are --
18 Monsanto and Agrum two of the big industries 18 they just playa big factor to all of
19 that are going to be hit hard -- hit had with 19 southeastern Idao: . Franin County, Bear Lae
20 this rate increase. 20 County, Banock County. We all have people that
21 And myself included, I work at 21 trvel to those -- to that phosphate facilty,
22 Monsanto, and so that's -- you know, they make it 22 both of them.
23 possible for me to be able to serve my communty. 23 And it's a great concern to hear of a
24 If that industr goes down -- and there's many 24 rate increase of that magntude, and I just want
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1 going to lose a big chun of our community. I
2 don't know how we're going to overcome this loss,
3 if that would ever happen. It would be just
4 astronomical for us.
5 And these industries are a great
6 benefit to our community, even though they don't
7 resìde within our community. Just because of
8 those who are employed there, the benefits that
9 they can send our way when we're ìn need of those
10 benefits and that, they're just a great benefit
11 to our communìty.
12 And that's -- that's about all I have.
13 I just want to let know that I appreciate the
14 timethat you've given us, you know, out of your
15 schedules toJìsten to our public comment and
16 thank you for the consìderatìon that you have in
17 this matter. Appreciate ìt.
18 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Any questìons?
19 MR. WOODBURY: No.
20 MR. BROWN: No.
21 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Than you very
22 much.
23 Is there anyone else that would like to
24 testify? Please come down.
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first duly sworn to tell the trth relating to
said cause, testified as follows:
1 saying that we are very concerned, that if
2 something happened to that facility -- those
3 facilities in Caribou County, it would be
4 devastating to us too.
5 So thank you.
6 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Thank you very
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8 Do we have someone else that would like
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said cause, testified as follows:
MR. GlBBS: my name is Mark Gibbs,
G-i-b-b-s. I live at 632 Hìghway 34, here in
Grace, Idaho.
I'm a farer, operate a far with my
son. We have about 2,000 acres, and we raìse
about 850 acres of seed potatoes. I also serve
as the president of Last Chance Canal Company,
which ìs the local irigation company here ,in
Grace. Last ChanceIs the largest water user of
Bear River waterin,Idaho.
I can't offer anything new or dìfferent
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2 last night in your other testiony. But I just 2
3 want to than you for comig to Grace. It's an 3
4 honor to have you down here. I don't envy the 45 position you're in. 5
6 I think we all recognze that increased 6
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8 spread as evenly and fairly as possible. 89 I'd just tell you a little bit about 9
10 Last Chance CanL. Last Chance Canal Company -- 10
11 we have 'about 32,000 acres of irrgated ground 1112 here in the Grace area. It's extensively 12
13 sprier irgated. I don't know of any gravity 13
14 irgation at all left in Grace. 14
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16 of it is also high-pressure pumped with either 16
17 electrcity or natu gas or a little bit of a 17
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19 electrcity. I would say in excess of the 19
20 90 percent of the power used in irrgation is 20
21 electrcity. We . have a few farers tht are 21
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23 pressure enough to water their crops. 2324 But the other issue we have, besides 24
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MS. SHERER: Okay. My name is
Becky Sherer.. I live here in Grace.
COMMSSIONER SMITH: . Spell your last
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MS. SHERER: S-h-e-r-e-r. Andthe
address is 1063 Anderson Road.
About these cost increases _.. my home
is all electric. I have the curly pigtil
lights. I do everying I can to keep my
electrc bil down. And being on electrc, you
know, can be quite expensive, and I'm not looking
forward to ths witer.
My bil this last month, I used
alost -- well, from last year, I was less th
1 kilowatt hour difference, .so I'm prett
consistent, because I'm a conservationist and I
keep my costs down, my budget. And I'm always
theatenig everybody about lights being on.
Losing the BP A energy discount -- that
there cost us quite a bit on a personal leveL.
And I know there's a lot of other people that are
affected by that in a bigger way tha I am.
But today is November 1 st. It's payday
for me, and I've got to mae it last to the end
of the month.
And I know that your company does as
well.
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down, and I hope you do as well.
And I hope you'Uconsider makg sure
they do; okay?
But my bigger concern is for the large
rate increases to the manufactuers in our
communty. I've been here thee-and-a-half
years. I came from southern Californa from a
large, densely-populated area. I lived there my
entire life and watched itgrow.
And I moved here, and I love ithere.
And I love the small communty. I love how the
businesses helpthe communty, and especially
these large companes put a lot of money into the
communty. I don't want to see my town die.
You noticed it's a small community when
you drove in. It's a nice place to live. And
please be sensible about it. I understad costs
increase, but I thi they can be really kept
down low.
Than you.
COMMSSIONER SMIH: Than you.
COMMSSIONER KEMPTON: I have a
question. It looked like you had a piece of
paper there and you were actully comparg
between last year and ths year. Is that what
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1 you were looking at that for? Can you give that 1 reasonable.
2 to us again? 2 We have some fairly heavy burdens that
3 MS. SHERER: Okay. Is this shut off 3 are placed upon us as to the amount of rates, and
4 COMMSSIONER REDFORD: I thin you're 4 they simply arn't just numbers. They are simply5 on. 5 not just costs and rate of profit and rates of
6 MS. SHERER: Okay. Last year I used 6 retu and so on. And we do, and are required
7 1,040 kilowatt hours; my bil was $50.38. This 7 to, tae into consideration the varous concerns
8 year I used 1,041; my bil was $71.42. And 8 of the very people who use ths energy.9 that's just the BPA -- losing that. And there 9 And we're proud of you, that you're
10 was an increase there. 10 conserving as much as you are, because we are in
11 But my bil is fairly small. I think 11 a period of time when energy is getting to be so
12 you can note that. I work hard at it, and I have 12 expensive and so scarce.
13 to. But I know there are people who have to work 13 But I really want to than all of you
14 harder at it. 14 for corng here. And if you have questions, our15 Than you. 15 staff is always available to answer questions,
16 COMMSSIONER KEMPTON: So this year 16 not only about rate cases but also services17 it's 71.42? 17 generally.
18 MS. SHERER: That's correct. 18 And I really want to compliment you on
19 COMMSSIONER KEMPTON: And last year it 19 this beautifu facility you have here. Many of20 was? 20 the cities in Idao that are much larger don't
21 MS. SHERER: $50.38. And I do have an 21 have this grd of a facilty, and you're very
22 all-electric home. 22 lucky, and I'm sure you're proud of it.
23 COMMSSIONER KEMPTON: .50.38? 23 Than you very much for corng.
24 MS. SHERER: Correct. And I think 24 (Hearg concluded at 8:05 p.m.)
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COMMSSIONER REDFORD: Than you very
much. We appreciate it.
Any other brave souls that would like
to come down and visit with us?
Without hearing none, that wil
conclude the hearing.
But before we do that, I want you folks
to understand that we here on the Commssion are
all Idahoans, and we come from ranching and far
backgrounds. And we understad the concerns you
have, not only as a city but individually, and
also the industr that's here. And we'll do our
very level best to make sure that everybody is
treated fairly,. including Rocky Mountain Power.
And fuer, we understad the
significance that Monsanto and also AgriUf adds
to the very life of this community and Caribou
county and other counties.
Next week we have the technical
hearings on the rate case. And after that's
concluded, then we wil deliberate and make a
determnation as to what we believe is fair and
1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
2 I, DANL E. WILIAS, CSR No. 686,
3 Certified Shorthand Reporter, certify:
4 That the foregoing proceedings were taen
5 before me at the time and place therein set
6 fort, at which time the witness was put under
7 oath by me;
8 That the testimony and all objections made
9 were recorded stenographically byrne and
10 transcribed by me or under my direction;
11 That the foregoing is a tre and correct
12 record of all testimony given, to ,the best of my
13 abilty;
14 I furter certify that I am not a relative
15 or employee of any attorney or par, nor am I
16 financially interested in the action.
17 IN WITNSS WHREOF, I set my hand and seal
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Notary Public
P.O. Box 2636
Boise, Idaho 83701-2636
My commission expires February 2,2009.
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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
I, DANIEL E. WILLIAMS, CSR No. 686,
Certified Shorthand Reporter, certify:
That the foregoing proceedings were taken
before me at the time and place therein set
forth, at which time the wi tness was put under
oath by me;
That the testimony and all objections made
were recorded stenographically by me and
transcribed by me or under my direction;
That the foregoing is a true and correct
record of all testimony given, to the best of my
ability;
I further certify that I am not a relative
or employee of any attorney or party, nor am I
financially interested in the action.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I set my hand and seal
this__1S!~ day of _~_, 2007.
WILLIAMS, CSR, RPR
Notary Public
P.O. Box 2636
Boise, Idaho 83701-2636
My commis s ion expires February 2, 2009. l
M & M COURT REPORTING SERVICE, INC. - [phone]
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