20051122Vol I hearing at Rexburg.pdf

BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION
OF PACIFICORP DBA UTAH POWER
LIGHT COMPANY FOR APPROVAL OF A
NEW DSM COST RECOVERY MECHANISM
AND ENHANCED ENERGY EFFICIENCY
PROGRAMS FOR COMMERCIAL,
INDUSTRIAL, AGRICULTURAL AND
RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS
BEFORE
) CASE NO.
) PAC-E-O5-
COMMISSIONER DENNIS HANSEN
PLACE:Best Western Cottontree
450 West 4th Street
Rexburg, Idaho
DATE:November 10, 2005
VOLUME I - Pages 1 - 30
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IDAHO FALLS, IDAHO 83405
208.529.5491 . FAX [phone].529.5491
APPEARANCES
For Utah Power & Light Company:
LISA D. NORDSTROM
Deputy Attorney GeneralContracts & Administrative Law
Public Utilities Commission
Post Office Box 83720
Boise, Idaho 83720-0074
[phone]
Di vi s ion
Also Present:
Don Jones, Jr.
Jeff Bumgarner
Glen Pond
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APPEARANCE
WITNESS EXAMINATION BY PAGE
Timothy Shurt z Statement
(Public)Commlssioner Hansen
Bevan Jeppesen Statement
(Public)Commlssioner Hansen
Shawn Webster Statement
(Public)Commi s Sloner Hansen
(None)
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IDAHO,THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 11 2005REXBURG,
7:00 P.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:ll call this
hearing to order.
Good evening,ladies and gentlemen.
This is the time and place set by the Idaho Public
Utility Commission for a public hearing in Case No.
PAC-E-05-10,known as In the Matter of the
Application of Pacificorp,or Utah Power & Light
Company,for Approval of a New DSM Cost Recovery
Mechanism and Enhanced Energy Efficiency Programs For
Commercial,Industrial , Agricultural and Residential
Customers.
m Commissioner Dennis Hansen;ll be
chairman of tonight's hearing.Commi s s ioner Paul
Kj e llande r and Commi s s ione r Marsha Smi th are not in
attendance this evening; however they will read the
t ran s c rip t s o f t his he a r i n g b e for e del i era t ion 0 n
this case,and so you ll be assured that your
te s t imony will be heard by all the commi s s ioner s
ll first take the appearance of the
parties.I know we only have one party here tonight,
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and ll ask Pacificorp if they will introduce
themselves.
Good evening.My name isMS. NORDSTROM:
Lisa Nordstrom and I am legal counsel for
Pacificorp.m joined here tonight by Don Jones,
Jr., the DSM segment and program manager;Jeff
the director of the onsi te management;andBumgarner,
Gl en Pond,the regional community manager.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Thank you.It looks
like ll go from a sign-up sheet that we have of
witnesses that wish to testify.And just briefly,
this hearing is to get input from the public of how
they feel about this proposal that is being brought
before the Commission.And we ha ve a recorder,court
recorder here that will be recording your testimony,
so that it will be part of the official record in
this case.
ll begin; we have one signup.And I
know Mr. Timothy Shurtz,and I know tha t you
familiar wi th testifying,you ve been before the PUC,
but I will just ask you that if you ll come forth,
ll swear you in after which I'll ask you to give
your name,and spell your last name for the record,
and your address and whom you re representing,and
then you can give your testimony.
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So, Timothy,if you would like to come
forward.
TIMOTHY SHURTZ,
appearing as a public witness, having been first duly
sworn to tell the truth,the whole truth and nothing
but the truth,testified as follows:
If you ll please haveCOMMISSIONER HANSEN:
a seat and give your name and spell your last name
for the record.
THE WITNESS:Timothy Shurtz,S-H-U-R-T-Z.
I live at 411 South Main,Firth,and I'Idaho 83236,
representing myself.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Thank you.I f you
would like to go ahead,and give us yourthen,
statement or testimony.
THE WITNESS:Okay.ve got some notes
here.Honorable Commissioner,I thank you for giving
me the opportuni ty to testify.I appreciate the time
and effort put in by you and your staff in making
this hearing possible,and I appreciate that the Utah
Power representatives have taken the time to come and
represent their point of view.
I feel that the energy conservation
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SHURTZ
Public
programs are a good and valuable thing that we
looking at doing in this area.You know cost
avoidance,if you have to spend a dollar to save
that's good
--
you know to save 10,that'money,
good,but I have the following reservations.
given the cost of the recentOne,
increase in natural gas and other energy cost in this
I would ask that rather than go with the firstarea,
that maybe we
--
I favor the DSM, but of January,
would favor a delay into the first of April, possibly
first of May,to implement this on a permanent basis.
You know though,it is very reasonable,in the last
few weeks or within the last six months, we will have
seen a 6.3 percent increase in our utili ty rates wi
Utah Power,although some of it is not really
--
was hidden in some of the other things that have come
off since then.
My concern is that you guys have -- Utah
Power has a good program, but we need to lighten up
little bit,until we get intoas much as we can,
early spring, when it might be more affordable for
the companies.One company that I talked to today
would be looking at an additional $800 a month in
fees for this program and if we can just delay it,
while the energy costs are a little bit higher for
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SHURTZ
Public
our winter period,I think that would be a valuable
thing.
As an intervenor in the Utah Power case,
I was not informed that one of therate case,
condi tions that they were going to meet,the low
income weatherization
--
which I favor;I have no
problem wi th that
--
was going to be put in a DSM or
taken out of this levy.I kind of feel that that
was -- maybe I was misled,or that I just wasn t told
where the money was going to come from when I was
signing off on the stipulation.So I have a little,
you know,axe to grind there,to an extent.
But again , the weatherization program
a very important thing.And with that in mind,
would like to make sure that the monies that go into
this low income,that the homes -- and I think --
ve been assured that that is so -- that are
weatherized with the Utah Power money will be the
homes in Utah Power terri tory of low income.Okay.
I also would encourage that we look
as this thing is implemented,that we look into --
make sure that the Commission keeps a steady eye on
these funds and demands a fair and good accounting
from them on a continual basis,so that it doesn
just become,, well,this money is here,this is
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SHURTZ
Public
how we re spending it.
I would also like to see the monies from
this thing benefit all classes and good programs for
every class of customer.Business,small business,
all the different classes of customers covered in
this with some type of program.
I also believe that given the apathy
that we have all witnessed,a lot of people -- I
would like to see some sort of incentive program,
first come,first served,to a degree to get people
fired up and energized and say,you know let's get
down to the local hardware store and buy the energy
efficient things,because if we do it now,
benefit from it.So I'd like to see,you know,some
innovative ideas in implementing this.
The one thing I'd like to keep in mind,
you know,whether we have increases in a large
percentage or small percentages at a time,over the
years they keep adding up.5 percent forYou know,
a DSM doesn t sound like a whole lot,but if you take
the recent 4.8 percent increase wi th the Utah Power
rate case,we are up to 6.And then any future
rate cases or anything that come along,al though they
are small,you know,what kills -- you know,what
kills you quicker,just kind of strings you know,
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SHURT Z
Public
and I would like to see some restraintout longer,
from Utah Power.
And in levying increases,you know,
myself realize that they have a business to support,
and they are in the business to sell power and to
make a profit, but we re in the business to try to
raise families and balance city budgets and other
things that I've been involved in and it just makes
it all the more difficult.
So I would encourage the Commi s s ion and
the company to,in the future , take only what they
need and give only what they deserve and look out for
the average guy on the street.Thank you.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Okay.Let's see if we
have any questions.
Pacificorp,do you have any questions?
MS. NORDSTROM:No, not at this time.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:ve got maybe q
couple.
EXAMINAT ION
BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN:
You mentioned about that you hope that
this program benefited all the classes of customers.
And my question:Do you think, as it's proposed
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SHURTZ (Com)
Public
right now,it's offering a good program to each class
of customer?
ve looked at all 100
--
I went through
all 143 pages of their filing,and not to say that
read it exactly word for word, but my biggest concern
is the residential customer.There was some
concern
--
when reading the staff's obj ect ions,there
was some concern that the mechanisms weren t qui te in
place for the residential customer.
The other thing,ve talked to the
small town business people,and they are kind of
caught in the middle.They are not big enough for
energy efficiency things,and they are not
residential.And I would have some concerns that,
you know the auto parts
--
the small-time auto parts
dealer or the little grocery store or whatever might
be left behind in a DSM program,and I would
encourage the company to look at those, be
innovative,and see
--
you know,open up the
opportunities as much as possible.
How do you feel about the one-and-half
and how do you feel like
--
how do you thinkpercent,
that will affect the total electric home?Like,are
you aware of what a total electric home may pay in
the winter months for electricity to heat their home?
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SHURTZ (Com)
Public
I talked with our company accountant at
Supreme today,and he has a total electric
--
well,
s oil.I take that back.We had a conversation
on heating oil.
But he s looking at about $1.25,and
m looking at about $1.75 additional per myself,
but my gas furnace is fired byI have gas,
electrici ty,so we re looking at an additional $1.75.
But I would imagine that
You haven t talked to any total electric
homeowne r?
No.Most of the areas that weNo,no.
have are gas or alternate fuel.
Are you -- have you had -- just I'
asking you,in your opinion:Do you think there s a
lot of
--
or qui te a few people that you re aware of
that have an older fridge or freezer,either in their
garage or even that they are using,that this would
entice them to get rid of it if they knew they could
get $40 for it?
I have a Philco right now in my kitchen,
and if the price is right while I'm looking,that
would be a
Do you think that would make a
difference in you getting rid of it?
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SHURTZ (Com)
Public
yes,yes,most definitely,
looking for Energy Star type thing that would
pay for itself the long run.
Realizing the new fridge could save you
energy?
Well the new fridge died.But anyway,
I would find any assistance in saving me moneyyes,
in the,you know end would be very helpful.
One last question:Are you on the time
of day service with --
I am.Yes,
There are a lot of people that you are
associated with.Are you aware whether they are on
time of day or not?
Most -- in my conversations wi th most of
the people in my area,it falls,about 50/50 ofoh,
the people I talk to.
Do you think that being on time of day
influences you when you use electricity?
d like to think it does for me, but
having a family, that's a moot conversation.
times when I look at my bill,I see being on time of
day actually,at some points,especiallyis adverse,
in the summer, because my kids are -- or my boy is
home and he tends to use a little more power than
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SHURTZ (Com)
Public
would like to see happen.
But the older folks, and as my family
has gone down and we have all gone to work and
school, we are seeing a difference.
Okay.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Well, thank you very
much for your testimony.
THE WITNESS:You re welcome.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:I believe we have
another person with us.Okay.Mr. Jeppesen, if you
would like to come forward.
MR. JEPPESEN:Take the hot seat, huh?
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:ll swear you in.
BEVAN JEPPESEN
appearing as a public witness, having been first duly
sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth, testified as follows:
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:m going to ask you
if you ll give our court recorder your name and spell
your last name for the record.
THE WITNESS:Bevan Jeppesen , B-E-V-A-N
J-E-P-P-E-S-E-N.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:And also, would you
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give her your address.
THE WITNESS:1282 South Second East,
Rexburg.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:And are you here to
represent yourself or some individuals?
THE WITNESS:m here as a farmer.Just,
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Okay.I f you would
like,d love to have your statement.then,
THE WITNESS:Can I ask questions or
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Unfortunately at this,
we had a workshop where you could come and ask
questions of the company or the staff.After this
hearing is over, which it's about over with, we don
have too many more to testify,the company will be
here,and also, Mr. Law,at the back of the room,for
the staff will be here to answer any questions that
you would like to ask them.Or if you would wish,
will put the hearing at ease for a few minutes if you
would like to ask some questions to them before you
give your testimony.
THE WITNESS:Well I know I was late.
just want to make sure I'm clear about what it is
re talking about.This is on the -- like,a 1 to
2 percent?
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Well ll tell you
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wha t we ll do,and that's so we follow the proper
procedures and guidelines.ll just go at ease for
a couple or three minutes and give you a chance to
talk to the company,as well as if you want to talk
And then we ll come bac k on and give youto Mr. Law.
an opportunity to give your testimony.
Would that be okay?
THE WITNESS:that will work.Yes,
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:re going to go at
ease for a few minutes.
(A discussion was held off the record,
and a brief recess was taken.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:ll come back on the
record and you may proceed wi th your testimony.
THE WITNESS:guess position,have
real problem wi th this.don un de r stand why
as ked pay more money and turn around and then have
to jump through hoops to try and get that money back
for improvements on my farm.
The other thing I have a hard time with
is,as a farmer and irrigator m doing everything
that I can right now to be efficient with the power
that I use and the water that I use.I make sure my
pivots are all -- the maintenance is there.You
we have a maintenance schedule.And I have aknow
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JEPPESEN
Public
real struggle with somebody taking money out of my
farm and then wanting to give it back to me for
things that I'm already doing.I struggle with that.
I don t understand why that would be the case.
You know,one-and-a-halffor me,
you know that's a big chunk of money.Youpercent,
that's in the thousands of dollars a year,know,
which I'm already doing to upgrade my equipment,and
now you re going to take it away from me,and I'
got to jump through the hoops to try and get some of
that back to do the things that I'm already doing.
I guess that's my whole point.I hope
it doesn t go through.I don t see the reasoning
here,I really don on an agricul tural side.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Does that conclude
your testimony?I didn t mean to interruptI mean,
you.Do have more?
THE WITNESS:m against it.I want it
made clear that I'm against any kind of rate hike.
I think -- I will say this:I think the
VFD,you know,if the power company wants to assist
in VFDs,I can kind of see that position a little
bit.it still falls back to,if it doesnHowever
fit in my application,a VFD does not work for me,
then I've got to subsidize my neighbors who it works
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JEPPESEN
Public
better and they can put it on.
VFDs do not work on every system.It'
not like,every farmer could benefit justyou know,
to what extent if they put a VFD on their motors.
have a motor up there that it won t work on,and the
cost is
--
you know,ve priced them,and they are,
you know,80 to 85,000 to put one on.I can t - - I
still can t justify one of those, where it's got to
run at 100 percent anyway.
So to pay an extra one-and-half
percent to allow other farmers to put those on,you
know,I don t think that's fair for me as an
irrigator.I struggle wi th that.I think that
all I have to say.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Let's see if we have
any questions.Do we have any questions from
Pacificorp?
MS. NORDSTROM:No questions.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:I guess I have a
couple of questions.
EXAMINAT ION
BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN:
You said that you didn t see how this
program benefi ted you.Do you see how it can benefit
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JEPPESEN (Com)
Public
other farmers,your neighbors that farm?
I do see farms that could use this
program, wi thout a question.the farms thatHoweve r,
I see the real benefit coming from are farmers that
have let things really go to pot.they areI mean,
in the position they are at because they have not
They have not upgraded orspent any money.
maintained their systems,so why should I have to pay
money into a fund to help them out?
Yeah there s -- clearly,there s some
farmers that could benefit, but,you know I don
feel that's my responsibili ty to help them out.
This may be an unfair question to you,
and if you don t know the answer that's fine.
Okay.
m kind of curious, why aren t other
farmers here tonight, whether it would benefi t them
or not benefi t them?why aren t we seeingI mean,
people out here saying,this will benefityou know
me,or li ke you re saying,it doesn t benefit you.
Is it they are not aware of this?
I think they are just not aware.I was
going to try to make some phone calls last night and
tonight,and I talked to one neighbor who is here,
but that' s
- -
you know it's a very busy time of
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JEPPESEN (Com)
Public
Just in the last few days,things have slowedyear.
down for me personally,and I think other farmers are
in the same boat.
Yeah,I don t think anybody knows about
it.I talked to one other farmer yesterday.He had
no idea.And he headed out of town this morning,
was going to be gone,or he would be here.
So you re not aware that it might have
been in the paper?It could have been, but you could
have missed it because you re at a really busy time
of the year?
Correct.
Or if it would have been in the
newspaper here in Rexburg, would you have definitely
been aware of it then?
I take the Rexburg paper and I was
still not aware of it.
You re not aware that it was in that
paper?
No.
MR. WEBSTER:I didn t see it.
THE WITNESS:I didn t see it in the Rexburg
Not saying it wasn t there, but...paper.
(BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN)So one other
question.You mentioned that you see that this is
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JEPPESEN (Com)
Public
probably going to cost you qui te a little bi t of
money --
Yes.
-- because of the amount of money that
you pay for your power.
Would you feel a little more comfortable
if there was a cap or a limit?Because I think you
kind of mentioned that you could see some good for
some people in it.So would you be more supportive
if all of a sudden it was a one-and-half percent,
let's say a cap,though,at a certain level?
So wha tever tha t might be,500 a year,
thousand a year, whatever that cap may be,that was
it.You didn t have to pay more into it up to tha
cap.Would that make any difference to you?
I guess if I had to choose,yeah.
would rather,first,not have it,and then have a cap
if I had to.But clearly,I would rather not see any
increase.I still have trouble with handing over my
money to somebody else so that they can distribute
how they would like.
Do you heat your home with total
electric -- is it a total electric home?
No.It's a combination.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:That's all the
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JEPPESEN (Com)
Public
questions I have, and thank you for your testimony.
THE WITNESS:Okay.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Okay, we have
--
is it
Shawn Webster?
MR. WEBSTER:Yes.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Would you care to come
forward?I need to swear you in.
SHAWN WEBSTER,
appearing as a public witness, having been first duly
sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth, testified as follows:
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:We need to ask you
you would give your name and spell your last name for
the record.
THE WITNESS:It's Shawn,S-H-A-W-N,
Webster, W-E-B-S-T-E-R.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:And your addre s s?
THE WITNESS:Mailing address is Post Office
Box 457 in Rexburg,Idaho.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:And are you here to
represent yourself or another party?
THE WITNESS:Just myself.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Okay.I f you would
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WEBSTER
Public
like to go ahead,and give your statement.then,
THE WITNESS:I just would like to comment
on what Bevan said,as far as raising the money to
help fund other programs or improvements to other
farmers.
And when he commented on the VFDs,
frequency drives,not working on
--
maybe working on
one system and then not working on another system,
actually have a system that it would not work on very
well at all.And the reason I'm aware of that
because I own a VFD on the second system.And it
works perfectly on the first one for the load and
circles that I run off that, but it would not work on
the second one.
And where I have already spent -- it's a
little smaller system,and I've already spent
approximately 38,$39,000 for the first VFD,and it'
already been in place for a year-and-half now,
don t see the purpose of paying into -- through a
rate increase to fund other people to buy some VFDs
where I've already done it,and especially where I am
not interested in buying a second one for the other
one.
We have had low pressure systems on our
place since 1982 and through those years we have
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WEBSTER
Public
upgraded the nozzle packages,so we have put the
expense forth to upgrade our irrigation circles and
our efficiency.And by paying into that fund,
don t think that I want to support ei ther my growers
in my local area or elsewhere in their improvements
because they got behind over the years.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Is tha t your
testimony?
THE WITNESS:m just not in favor of a
rate increase for that.It may be good public
relations to show that money is going in and then
money is coming back out for improvements, but
think that's the wrong way.I think it's wrong to
ask us to fund that.If UP&L wanted to fund that
themselves with that increase,then that shows good
faith,and public response to that would be great.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Okay.Do we have any
questions?
MS. NORDSTROM:No questions.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:m not going to let
any of you off the hook.
THE WITNESS:That's great.
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WEBSTER
Public
EXAMINATION
BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN:
Do you think that the farmers here,your
neighbors and so forth,could get together and
actually come up with some ideas that could bring
efficiency to the irrigation pumping and actually
contribute to helping the company shape their load
bet ter so maybe they don t have to build new
generation,or they don t have to go out on the
market and buy it at a very expensive cost?
Because I think,as I understand with
these DSM programs,that's one of the purposes,
new generation costs a lot of money,and so if
there s areas that companies can be more efficient
and shape their load better so that they may be able
to avoid this.
And so my question -- I understand in
both of the testimonies,that evidently you don
think that it's worth the fee because it isn t going
to benefit you, but do you see that there could be
some areas where you farmers may be able to get
together and say,you know wha this would bring
about a point of efficiency if we had this or this or
this program in.Do you see that?
Well,I could see a program.Let's go
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WEBSTER (Com)
Public
back to the VFDs.I think they are a great tool and
they do save power.I have one,just like this pump
when it's working,it runs between 88 and 92 percent
of a full load.So that's definitely a lot of
savings,and it works good there.
I guess my concern would be,is if the
program was to go into place,what happens to me and
my nephew and a cousin named Robin Shane Webster,who
has already
--
and one named Bart Webster,that has
already bought VFDs and have already contributed to
the savings, would we be compensated wi th this
retroactive,I guess, on this program.
VFDs are great for saving power.In the
Rexburg bench area,I think beginning in probably
about 1980-it was very quick to switch over to
low pressure systems, and also to maintain them on
new nozzles.To my knowledge,there s only a handful
of circles up there that are high pressure systems,
and those people are gradually swi tching those over,
as the nozzle packages become wore.
So I think the efficiency on the bench
is probably -- really,I would say it's pretty good
compared to some other areas wi th either handlines,
wheelines,or flood irrigation, which flood would
So in this area you re saying you really
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WEBSTER (Com)
Public
can t think of any areas
Well,to the technology that's out there
right now,I would say that we are quite efficient
wi th the water we use.
I see.
That's not to say that the VFDs can
become more used more the smaller systems.The
very large systems,think there some things
some hurdles get over.Because the high
horsepower main motors and then booster pumps on the
sides,there needs to be a li t tie work done there.
Are you aware of whether the farmers in
this area have had any opportuni ty to have any input
in the DSM proposals or programs?
I don t know what DSM stands for,
missed it.
We 11,Demand Side Savings program like
re talking here.
all.mean,
area?
I don t know if they are aware of it at
from the turnout here tonight...
Do you have a total electric home?
I do not,no.
You don Okay.But you live in this
I live,yes, up on
--
I live on my farm,
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WEBSTER (Com)
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actually.
Okay.Just a question more in the
residential area.
If you had a refrigerator or a freezer
that you had had for a long time that you used out in
your garage or something like that,and you could get
$40 for it,it had to be running, but they would come
and pick it up and give you $40 and you knew tha
you could buy a more efficient refrigerator,energy
efficient refrigerator, would you take them up on
that,or would you say,for 40 bucks,I won t do
that?
Where would I buy the new one from,
would it be a rebate program?Would I have to buy
from the person who picked it up?
You could buy it at Sears orNo.
anyplace that sells them.you d just go outI mean,
and --
Well,I would probably do that, because
I do,I have a freezer that's 20 years old,and I
probably would do that.
Okay.
COMMISSIONER HANSEN:That's all the
questions I have.Thank you for your testimony.
I won t ask the question if there
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anyone else here that would like to give their
testimony, because I guess it would either be Ron or
one of the parties anyway.
I really appreciate you people coming
out tonight.And as I mentioned earlier,there s two
other commissioners that sit on the Commission,and
the three of us will be making the decisions on this
And those other two commissioners will be ablecase.
to read your comments that you have made here this
evening before we deliberate and make a decision on
this case.
And with that,I do appreciate you
coming out,and if you have any other questions that
you want to talk to the company about, we have
representatives here,or also, Mr. Law with the
public utility staff.
So with that,this will bring our
hearing to a close.And with that, we will be
adj ourned.Thank you.
(The hearing concluded at 7:45 p.
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COLLOQUY
This is to certify that the foregoing proceedings
held In the Matter of the Application of Pacificorp
Dba Utah Power & Light Company For Approval of a New
Dsm Cost Recover Mechanism and Enhanced Energy
Efficiency Programs For Commercial Industrial,
Agricultural and Residential Customers, commencing at
7:00 p.m., on Thursday, November 10, 2005, at the Best
Western Cot tontree, 450 West 4th Street, Rexburg,
Idaho, is a true and correct transcript of said
proceedings and the original thereof for the file of
the Commission.
;:;t 11
auna K. Tonks
Idaho CSR No. 276, RPR
Notary Public in and for
the State of Idaho.
My Commission Expires:10/04/10
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