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HomeMy WebLinkAbout20040416Volume XVI Part II.pdfposition. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Gi ven the Commission I S ruling at the beginning of the hearing, that makes perfect sense to me.Is there any obj ection? not, then we won I t take Mr. Said 1 s rebuttal in this case. with Ms. Fullen. MR. KLINE:We I 11 go ahead and proceed COMMISSIONER SMITH:Sure. MR. KLINE:All right, and Ms. Moen will conduct the spread of that rebuttal testimony. SUSAN J. FULLEN produced as a rebuttal witness at the instance of the Idaho Power Company, having been previously duly sworn, resumed the stand and was further examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION Ms. Fullen , please state your name for the Susan J. Fullen. Are you the same Susan Fullen that prefiled direct testimony in this matter? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho BY MS.MOEN: record. 3086 FULLEN (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 I am. And have you also filed rebuttal testimony in this matter? Yes , I ha ve . And that rebuttal testimony consists of pages and Exhibit 78; is that correct? That is correct. Do you wish to make any corrections or additions to your rebuttal testimony? No. And if I asked you the same questions today that are contained in your prefiled rebuttal testimony, would your responses to those questions be the same? Yes, they would. MS. MOEN:Madam Chair , I move that the prefiled rebuttal testimony of Susan Fullen be spread on the record as if read in its entirety and that Exhibit be marked for identification. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Without objection, it is so ordered. (The following prefiled rebuttal testimony of Ms. Susan Fullen is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3087 FULLEN (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 Please state your name and business address. My name is Susan J. Fullen and my business address is 1221 West Idaho Street, Boise, Idaho 83704. Are you the same Susan J. Fullen who has previously presented direct testimony in this case? Yes, I am. What is the scope of your rebuttal testimony? My testimony will focus on issues raised by Commission Staff relating to customer service and by the Community Action Partnership Association of Idaho relating to the Company I s Low Income Weatherization Assistance Program. Are you sponsoring any exhibits with your direct rebuttal testimony? Yes.I am sponsoring Exhibit No.7 8. Staffing In her direct testimony, Staff Witness Ms. Parker discussed her concern regarding the ability of the Company I s customer service staff to handle the expected increase in customer phone calls with the adoption of seasonal rates.While she commented that the Company has modified its staffing since tiered rates were in effect can you describe how the Company is prepared to handle additional , sporadic call volume fluctuations? The Company has made staffing modifications 3088 FULLEN , D i - Reb Idaho Power Company to the Customer Service Center since the 2001 tiered-rates time frame Ms. Parker discussed.As noted by Staff, the Company now has more part-time employees. In addition, the Customer Service Center has developed a contingency plan to handle increased call volumes.The contingency plan includes the ability to make staffing adjustments by shortening lunch hours and extending work hours for both shift and part-time employees.These adjustments are outlined In a detailed deployment plan based on critical call volume criteria.I am confident this plan will allow the Company to manage any increase in calls resulting from the implementation of seasonal rates. Prorated Bills Is the Company taking any steps to address the issue of bill presentation for prorated bills to help alleviate customer confusion? The Company acknowledges that prorated bills have caused customer confusion.In an attempt to make the bill presentation less confusing to customers, the Company is investigating a number of options.Because of the time needed to fully investigate and test these options, the Company cannot detail a specific modification at this time.However , the Company is committed to finding a solution to make prorated bills less confusing for customers. 3089 FULLEN , Di -Reb Idaho Power Company Customer Relations Staff points out that two significant functions that are not available through the Company web site are customer requests to connect and disconnect service.Does the Company have plans to incorporate these types of customer requests in the capability of its web site? Yes.The Company is currently developing addi tional customer services through our web site. Staff recommends the Company add a sentence in Spanish on bills and disconnect notices to inform Spanish speakers that if help is needed in understanding what the notice or statement says, he or she may call the Company for assistance.Does the Company agree with Staff' recommendation and if so , what steps have been taken to accommodate this recommendation? The Company agrees with Staff I s recommendation. After consulting with the Company s local multilingual translator , the Company has initiated the addition of Spanish text near our telephone numbers in the heading of our bills and notices.The Company anticipates completing this change before April 1 , 2004.Exhibi t No. 78 is a sample bill showing the additional text. Staff recommends adding an "on-hold" message in Spanish informing customers that a Spanish-speaking 3090 FULLEN , Di -Reb Idaho Power Company representative is available.Does the Company agree wi this recommendation? The Company agrees that providing Spanish- speaking assistance to Spanish-speaking customers is important.As Staff points out , the Company always has at least one Spanish-speaking representative available on any given shift.If this representative is assisting another customer at the time Spanish assistance is needed , the Company utilizes its third-party interpretation service to assist the customer.The Company recently installed an upgraded voice activated response unit to enhance customer interactions.We are currently working with the Power Assistance Line (PAL) vendor to implement the Spanish assist option that is available through this system.This option will allow customers to select Spanish-speaking assistance through the initial menu offering.Because this option will provide front-line service to customers, I do not believe that an "on-hold" message is necessary. Does the Company agree with Staff I s recommendation to evaluate the need for bills and delinquent notices to be printed in Spanish? Yes, the Company will continue to monitor customer requests for Spanish and other language assistance.Presently, the Company has not had such 3091 FULLEN, Di-Reb Idaho Power Company requests from customers or agencies.The Company will explore the 3092 FULLEN, Di-Reb Idaho Power Company opportunity to work with other groups to enhance our services. Out -of -Cycle Meter Readings Staff expressed concern regarding the Company ' presentment of out-of-cycle meter reading dates on customer bills.Specifically, Staff recommended that the meter reading date for an out-of -cycle meter reading should reflect the date the meter was actually read not the date the customer requested the service.What steps are being taken to address this issue. The Company has thoroughly assessed the process invol ved in the reported meter read date represented on the customer I s bill.As a result of this assessment, the Company will modify its process so that the actual date the final meter reading was taken or service was disconnected, not the date the customer requested the service, will be recorded in the Company s Customer Information System and will be printed on the customer' bill.This process change will also result in the service starting date printed on the customer I s bill corresponding to the actual date the service connection or meter reading took place.Changes to the Company ' out -of - cycle meter reading process are targeted for completion by June 1 , 2004. Non-complianceQ. In her direct testimony Ms. Parker stated the 3093 FULLEN, Di-Reb Idaho Power Company Company is out of compliance with UCRR 401 , 402, and 403. Do you agree with this assertion and if so, what action is being taken to comply? The Company concurs it is not in compl iance wi th UCRR 403. However , the Company respectfully suggests that it meets the requirements of UCRR 401 and 402.UCRR 401 provides customers the right to complain or request a conference , that the Company will promptly investigate the complaint , and that the applicant or customer I service will not be terminated during an investigation. The Company adheres to this rule as can be demonstrated through the customer contact notes wi thin the Customer Information System and through correspondence with the consumer staff at the Commission. UCRR 402 provides customers and applicants the definition of Commission authority over complaints.The Company s partial non-compliance with UCRR 403 does not impact UCRR 402 as this rule establishes the Commission authori ty and procedures. wi th regard to UCRR 403, Record of Complaints, the Company agrees it is not in full compliance.While the Company does maintain records of all complaints submitted through the Commission , it has not been fully tracking complaints received by the Company which do not involve Commission Staff.The Company has taken steps to improve 3094 FULLEN , Di-Reb Idaho Power Company monthly reporting and categorization of customer contacts entered as a "complaint" type.Addi tional training will be conducted to improve awareness of the complaint procedure and the review, recordkeeping and reporting aspects of the process. A Company-wide study is underway to determine the best method for collecting complaints that reach the Company through various departments outside the Customer Service area.The Company expects to have a plan to address the collection of these complaints by May 1 2004. Staff also found the Company to be out of compliance with UCRR 701.Please detail steps taken to provide customers with a Summary of Utility Customer Relations Rules (UCRR 701) . A Summary of Utility Customer Relation Rules has been distributed to residential customers annually for several years.The Company has developed two new consumer information brochures for irrigation commercial, and industrial customers that provide a summary of the Utility Customer Relation Rules. brochure was mailed to all existing irrigation, commercial , and industrial customers with their February billing.The brochures contain a Spanish sentence indicating the brochure information is available in 3095 FULLEN, Di -Reb Idaho Power Company Spani sh . In addition, a process was implemented in March 2004 3096 FULLEN , Di-Reb Idaho Power Company that provides brochures to all new customers in accordance with UCRR 701. Low Income Weatherization Assistance Program In his direct testimony on behalf of the Community Action Partnership Association of Idaho (CAPAI) , Mr. Robinette proposes design changes to the Company s Low Income Weatheri zation Assistance (LIWA) program.Specifically, Mr. Robinette proposes changes to the current 50 percent funding, the administrative fee paid through LIWA to the participating agencies, and the total funding for the LIWA program.In addition , Mr. Robinette comments on the negative consequences of the required 1.1 savings to investment ratio (SIR).Please comment on Mr. Robinette's proposal regarding the Company's funding match for each weatherization job. The Company currently funds 50 percent of the cost of qualifying weatherization measures.Mr. Robinette recommends that the Company fund up to the full cost for the work performed.The Company opposes funding the full costs of weatherization jobs.While the Company does fully fund a limited number of special weatheri zation jobs for tax-exempt organi zations, an essential requirement of the current LIWA program is that regular weatherization jobs qualify for and receive governmental funding.This requirement allows the 3097 FULLEN, Di-Reb Idaho Power Company Company to hold the administrative costs of the program to a 3098 FULLEN, Di-Reb Idaho Power Company reasonable level while assuring that our retail customers I funds are used effectively.The Company believes that a continuation of matching funding from LIWA for quali;fying measures is appropriate. Please comment on Mr. Robinette I s proposal regarding the administrative fee paid through LIWA to the participating agencies and his comments on the SIR. Mr. Robinette proposes the administrative fee paid through LIWA to the participating agencies be increased to $150 per unit.The Company is willing to consider an increase in the administrative fee and is willing to reduce the required SIR from 1.1 to 1.The Company proposes that both these matters be addressed with the weatherization agencies during the preparation of next year I s contracts and , if necessary, be brought to the Commission for appropriate action under a separate proceeding. Mr. Robinette also proposes an increase in LIWA funding to $1.2 million.Please comment on this recommendation. The Community Action Partnership Association of Idaho recommends a 426% increase in LIWA funding above the 2003 level of non-BPA expenditures.However , the Company has not included increased funding for the Low Income Weatherization Assistance program in its current 3099 FULLEN, Di -Reb Idaho Power Company application before the Commission.Accordingly, it may 3100 FULLEN , Di-Reb Idaho Power Company more appropriate to investigate funding levels and funding mechanisms outside of this proceeding. The Company proposes reviewing these topics as well as other program design issues with the Energy Efficiency Advisory Group (EEAG).The EEAG is a forum that allows Idaho Power customers , regulatory staff and other interested stakeholders to offer advice to the Company in formulating, implementing, and evaluating energy efficiency and demand reduction programs and I believe that the group could contribute significantly to the discussion.I f the Company, with support from the EEAG determines that changes to the LIWA program design, funding levels , or funding mechanism are appropriate, the changes would be brought to the Commission , if necessary, for appropriate action under a separate proceeding. Does this conclude your direct rebuttal testimony? Yes. 3101 FULLEN , Di-Reb Idaho Power Company (The following proceedings were had in open hearing. MS. MOEN:Madam Chair , I also have a few additional rebuttal questions for Ms. Fullen. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Okay. DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MS. MOEN:Continued) Ms. Fullen , in response to questions that were posed to you during cross-examination of your direct testimony, you referred to a BPA program that Idaho Power has in place to serve low income customers.Do you recall that? Yes , I do. And could you expand on that program as well as other programs in which the Company participates that target low and moderate income customers in particular? Yes.In 2001 , Idaho Power entered into an agreement with the Bonneville Power Administration to participate in the conservation and renewable discount program.There was $2.5 million allocated for the program from 2001 through 2006.Early on Idaho Power made the decision to target the majority of the funds CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3102 FULLEN (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 towards lower income programs.As such, one program underway is the Energy Housecalls Program which we have dedicated $850,000 to that program and with the possibility of allocating up to an additional $550 000 more. That program itself , what it does is it provides free duct leakage testing and sealing, installs free compact fluorescent light bulbs , supplies free furnace air filter replacement and an extra filter performs free water heater temperature checks and offers free energy efficiency materials.That has been very popular which is why we I re considering the additional funding for that. Other programs that have been available are the energy efficiency manufactured home incentives, the energy efficiency packets and we also dedicated $50 000 to LIWA in 2003 from that funding. And then in your rebuttal testimony there I S reference to the LIWA program and the Company I interest in investigating an increase in allocations of funds to that program and we also discuss or I think in your rebuttal testimony also discuss the option of discussing that outside of this particular proceeding. Are both the proposal to consider increased funding for LIWA and the proposal to consider this funding allocation CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3103 FULLEN (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 outside of this proceeding still your position? Yes, most definitely.Idaho Power is sensi ti ve to the special needs of low income customers. What we do believe would be the most efficient and effective process to follow would be to use the IRP as the process to identify the resource requirements and then look at LIWA as well as the IRP resource requirements, some other programs that may come from that , and also the funding for NEEA participation as sort of a portfolio , if you will , that is balanced and we would like to work through the EEAG to create that balanced portfolio and then bring that back to the Commission to consider the funding mechanism for that. And would certain amounts of funds be dedicated to LIWA or would LIWA have to compete with other DSM programs? The funds that are already in the rate base, which is the $212 000, would be dedicated to LIWA and would not have to compete for , wi thin the other pool. They would not be added into the pool, so those would be kept separate. And then additional funding could also be considered to augment the 212, OOO? Yes. Following your direct testimony, do you CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 3104 FULLEN (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 recall that Commissioner Hansen made inquiries concerning the Northwest Energy Efficiency Alliance or NEEA? Yes , I do. And do you recall in particular that Commissioner Hansen inquired about any studies that had been done to , I guess , evaluate the manner in which NEEA funds had been utilized? Yes. And to your knowledge, has an independent study been conducted to evaluate the market impact or accomplishments of NEEA? Yes.Upon investigation , I did find a study that had been conducted by a third party for NEEA and on which we have an Idaho Power representative on that board. MS. MOEN:Madam Chair , I request that Exhibi t 83 be marked for identification.This is the Executive Summary of the report that Ms. Fullen just alluded to. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Exhibit 83 will be marked. (Idaho Power Company Exhibit No. 83 was marked for identification. BY MS. MOEN:Do you have a copy of that particular exhibit before you?I think it's identified CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 3105 FULLEN (D i - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 Findings and Report. Thank you, I do now. Would you agree that this is the Executive Summary of the study that was done by Summit Blue CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Yes, it is. MS. MOEN:I have no further questions. The witness is available for cross-examination. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you , Ms. Consul ting? Mr. Budge, do you have any questions? MR. BUDGE:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Richardson. Moen. MR. RI CHARD SON :No questions, Madam Chair. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Ward. MR. WARD:No questions.Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Cooke. MR. COOKE:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Purdy. MR. PURDY:Yes, please. 3106 FULLEN (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 BY MR. PURDY: CROSS -EXAMINATION I guess first I'll start with the additional direct , Ms. Fullen , regarding the BPA program. Did you call that the Energy Households Program? Energy Housecalls. House what? Housecalls. What is that, please? It is a program that we hire third-party personnel to go into manufactured homes and to do the CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho work that I indicated that we do, but these people which are energy experts essentially go into mobile home parks or other areas that we are aware that there are manufactured homes and knock on doors and offer the service that I indicated. other than manufactured homes; is that correct? So this program does not apply to anything That is correct. All right , you said , I thought I heard you describe it as a low income targeted program , how do you support that? Well , because we do believe that lower income customers are more likely to live in manufactured 3107 FULLEN (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 homes and so even though we do not know that they are low income, per se , there is some assumption that we would be able to reach that market by having that type of program. You would agree with me , would you not, that low income people live in numerous types of housing other than manufactured homes? Yes , I would. All right, did I understand you to say that you I re considering additional funding for that program? Yes. How does Idaho Power fund that program? Well , it's through the monies that we receive from BPA and that I s $2.5 million through the course of five years.We have 850 000 dedicated to the Energy Housecalls Program for manufactured homes. have an additional $550 000 that potentially could be allocated towards that same program. So Idaho Power doesn I t kick into this, this is strictly BPA money? Yes, that is. Okay.Now , when you discussed how you would propose maybe a different handling of LIWA , I understood you to say something about it would be CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3108 FULLEN (X - Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 incl uded in the IRP process; is that right? , I I m sorry.The IRP process, we would hope , would be there to identify resource requirements, so that I s one piece, and then those requirements along wi th LIWA and along with the monies for the NEEA funding would come back to the EEAG group to, in essence, create that balanced portfolio of energy efficiency programs that then would be submitted to the Commission for the funding. By starting with the IRP process, would LIWA somehow suddenly be subj ect to least cost standards that it I S not currently subj ect to in terms of a resource acquisi tion standpoint? What I believe that we would need to do is to separate out the LIWA as an independent.It's a piece of a three-legged stool , if you will.You have the resource requirements which should be somewhat of a stand-alone , you should have the LIWA requirements as a stand-alone and then you should have the NEEA funding as a stand-alone. I like the word "stand-alone" frankly, because - - well , I need a question here.Would you agree with me that LIWA is unique as DSM programs go in that it's the Company's only low income exclusive , non-pilot DSM program? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3109 FULLEN (X - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 I would say yes.I would agree with that. And it's been around since 1989; correct? I don't have the date on that. You don I t know? You know , I know that I have records back to 1989.I don I t know the inception of LIWA. Okay.You said that if it were then put before the EEAG at some point, there would be a consideration for additional funding.Perhaps you can explain just briefly how the EEAG works , because it I S my understanding that Idaho Power brings proposals to the group, asks for input and perhaps will modify a proposal, but ultimately, Idaho Power does what it thinks is best; is that a fair description of the EEAG? I would agree with part of that in that Idaho Power does do the preliminary design on programs. We use whatever expertise is necessary to create that design and I believe that I s appropriate.I believe that would be very cumbersome on the EEAG group to totally start from scratch , if you will, to build the programs but what we hope to see happen is again, going back to the IRP because we need to identify what the resource requirements are and then move those into programs which CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 3110 FULLEN (X - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 are then primarily designed by Idaho Power , but then goes to the EEAG group for assistance in that design modification to the design , input into that design and many times we actually go through an iterative process there to redesign based on information that we receive from the EEAG group. m sorry for being a little dense here but I I m trying to track from the IRP to the EEAG with respect to LIWA.Currently under LIWA, the Company simply funds up to , outside of administrative expenses roughly 212 000 a year; is that right? That's correct, yes. Nobody has to comment on that; true? Tha t 's true. And that program is administered by the Communi ty Action agencies; right? Yes. And they are compensated, I think , $75. a proj ect; correct? Yes, at this time. Okay.Well , when you talk about IRP , in my mind, that's the Company I s approach for looking at all of its possible resources, existing and future , and determining how best to meet its needs in the cheapest manner possible.You testified earlier that LIWA CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 3111 FULLEN (X - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 wouldn I t necessarily have to meet any type of a least cost standard, so what connection does the IRP process have with LIWA and with hopefully, seeing some increase in funding of LIWA? Okay.Well , what I believe is at issue right now is the fact that within this proceeding, we have $212 000 .that is dedicated to the LIWA funds.If we go through the process that we have identified as what we think is desirable , we will be able to identify whatever needs there may be with energy efficiency programs, LIWA being one of those, and be able to come back in a different proceeding to identify the funding for those programs. LIWA being, as you put it, the only low income exclusive DSM program , how do you think that' going to fare when it's put through the IRP process , the needs , as you put it, are identified and then come out with a proposal on the other end, what I s the likelihood that we I re ever going to see any increase in the funding of LIWA under that process? Well, I think that the EEAG group is very fair-minded and I think that they would see the need to identify and to allocate dollars towards the low income needs. But again, Idaho Power brings the CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 3112 FULLEN (X - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 proposals to the table, not the group; correct? Well , not exclusively.You know, there is no rule against a member of the EEAG group bringing a proposal into the group. There might not be any rule , but isn that typically what happens , the Company brings the proposal and the others comment on it? I would say it has up to this point been more that it has occurred in that fashion , but I believe that has been due to -- you know , there's limited funds available right now and the priority programs have been placed as they have. So the EEAG has to operate wi thin the confines of the current $.30, whatever it is, DSM tariff rider; correct? That would be correct. So if we roll LIWA into that process , we would need more money -- Tha t 's correct. - - under that tariff rider through some other means to increase LIWA funding; true? True. Does the Company have any proposals or is it willing to consider an increase in funding under the DSM tariff rider? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3113 FULLEN (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 It is very will ing to consider additional funding for that. Would you agree with me that absent some lncrease in LIWA funding that Idaho Power's low income ratepayers outside of any funding they might receive through LIHEAP , for them to meaningfully substantially reduce their energy usage , they have to have some type of weatherization; in other words, they don't have a lot of discretionary usage of electricity, do they? I guess I'm not sure that I I m the right one to answer that.You know , I know what I intui ti vely would believe on that. What is that? I would intuitively believe that that would be the case; however , I don I t have the data that supports that myself. Would it be helpful to have that kind of data to track low income usage? I think that depends on many things and On what?m sorry. I think that depends.To have that type of data , you know , as you are aware, Idaho Power does not capture that data.We believe that there's sensi ti vi ty to customers of providing that type of data to us and so our preference has been to work with the agencies to CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3114 FULLEN (X - Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 identify and provide funding for those lower income customers rather than having that class identify itself. We feel it's more effective for us to work with the agencies to identify those needs. Would the Company be adverse to an order from this Commission that strongly encouraged Idaho Power to work with the Community Action agencies to determine what low income needs are and to take the necessary steps to increase funding for LIWA? We will willingly work with the agencies to do that. MR. PURDY:That's a 11 I have.Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Eddie. MR. EDDIE:Thank you , just a few questions. CROSS - EXAMINATION BY MR. EDDIE: Ms. Fullen , were you here Thursday when Nancy Hirsh was testifying? Yes, I was. In response to a question from Commissioner Kj ellander , Ms. Hirsh stated that from her knowledge as a member of the Energy Efficiency Advisory CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3115 FULLEN (X - Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 Group that the DSM tariff rider funds are essentially spoken for , fully spent.That's your understanding as well? Primarily.There s still some flexibility wi thin the funds , but yes, we have programs dedicated through the next few years. Through the next few years , okay.Just to clarify a question from Mr. Purdy, do you see future LIWA funding, possible increases , coming from , being collected through that DSM tariff rider or coming from some other pot of money? Well not sure that that's up to me to determine that.I think that is probably more appropriate to be determined by the Commission. The last question is would you agree there are some social judgment calls being made in designing a low income program , eligibility, for example, level of income eligibility? By whom? By whoever designed the program.They have to make some judgment call about need and eligibility to design the program itself? m sorry, are you speaking of when the programs are designed, the LIWA program? Yes. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3116 FULLEN (X - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 Okay, and see, that judgment would come from the agencies. Okay, but the Company's proposal to put the LIWA program to some extent into the advisory group, in my mind , that means there is some element of judgment call about the program being put to the advisory group; otherwise, there's no reason to move the program into that arena; is that correct? Well , I don't think that I would classify that as a judgment.I think that the point that we' trying to make is that we need a balanced portfolio of energy efficiency programs and the mechanism that we prefer to use to create that balance and the funding for those programs is through the EEAG group. MR. EDDIE:m going to stop there. may ask further questions of Mr. Gale.Thanks. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Ms. Nordstrom. CROSS -EXAMINATION BY MS. NORDSTROM: Yes , good afternoon. Good afternoon. On page 2 , starting on line 17 , you acknowledge that prorated bills have caused some customer CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3117 FULLEN (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 confusion.On line 23 , you state that the Company is committed to finding a solution to make prorated bills less confusing to customers.Has the Company made any progress in finding a solution? Yes , we have.We have identified some potential options that we have. And what are those? Well, they I re a little detailed and it actually goes into how the information would be displayed on the bill itself and it would be Could you just briefly describe how the Company s proposes to resolve this issue? Well , we do have options available to us and what we re trying to determine is how it is best displayed on the bill itself.What we would like to do is after this proceeding actually come back to the Staff and take a look at what the options may be. On page 4 of your rebut tal testimony, you indicate that the Company recently installed an upgraded voice activated response unit and is currently working with the vendor to implement the Spanish-speaking option that is available for the system.When do you expect that feature to be implemented? Wi thin two to three months, and the reason for that length of time is just simply it is a sensitive CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 3118 FULLEN (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 piece of equipment and we'll need to do some testing and everything, but that has the highest priority. On page 5 , you indicate that the Company accepts Staff I s recommendation that bills reflect the actual dates that the meter readings are taken and that the Company intends to change its out-of-cycle billing by June 1st , 2004; is that correct? Yes. At this time do you see any problems in getting that change implemented by June 1st? No. MS. NORDSTROM:Thank you.No further questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Are there questions from the Commissioners?Commissioner Hansen. EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN: I believe it was two days ago that we had our discussion about NEEA and the benefits they claimed that they provided Idaho customers, were you aware of this report you just submitted as Exhibit 83 , were you aware of that two days ago? , I was not.When I went back to my CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3119 FULLEN ( Com - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 office , I was discussing this with Darlene Nemnich and she said oh , we have this report available. Does this report show the benefits that NEEA has provided to Idaho Power customers? Not specifically to Idaho Power customers. I don't believe - - I don't believe that I s in there, but it has a general overview of how NEEA is managed and how the results have been calculated and verification of that. Am I correct in that the other day when we were discussing this that you actually had some kilowatt-hours saved in Idaho , an estimate that NEEA had saved so many kilowatt-hours at a rate of , I believe about one cent; do you recall that? Yes , I do. And so that wouldn I t be in this report? Not specific to Idaho, but there is reference to that as a general statement of what NEEA has done and there is reference in that report - - I take that back , it's just a general statement and that $0.99 was there. So again , my question is does Idaho Power verify the data on this report as being correct and have you actually checked out the benefits that NEEA claims that have come to Idaho as a result of the money that CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3120 FULLEN ( Com - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 Idaho Power has put into this program? We are in the process of verifying some of those results.As I indicated before , we are currently going through an analysis of NEEA and the continuation of that funding, and also , as I said, it is looking very positive.We are looking at all of the information now even beyond the kilowatt-hour savings into , as an example , the program design.I mean , what NEEA is able to do for us is to give us somewhat of an off-the-shelf-type program to implement without having to go through the process of designing totally that program ourself , so we're able to partner with them , if you will to minimize our administrative cost.We feel there' some benefit to that , also, so we are evaluating all of those pieces before we make a decision to continue the funding. Has Idaho Power submitted any proposals to NEEA in areas where they felt that NEEA could do a study or look at benefiting certain customers in Idaho, like the irrigation customers, the Industrial Customers or these groups where they would look at trying to identify cost , power savings for those groups of people, have you as a Company gone to NEEA with requests that they look into certain areas? I can't give you a specific example of CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3121 FULLEN ( Com - Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 that.What I can tell you is that we have a representative on the NEEA board and I believe that she represents the Company and the Idaho customers in that respect.I cannot name a specific request that we had. And you re not aware of any request the Company may have given her to take to NEEA? I I m sorry, I'm not aware of one. COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Thank you.That' all I have. EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: Ms. Fullen , in Idaho the LIHEAP program funding is totally from the federal government; correct? As I understand it , yes. Does the Company - - in some states though, the federal money is matched by the state with state funds , are you aware of that? No, I was not. Would you accept for a hypothetical that in some states the federal money is matched with state funds? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3122 FULLEN ( Com - Reb ) Idaho Power Company83676 Yes, I would accept that. Would Idaho Power support state matching funds for LIHEAP from Idaho? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho I would think so. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Redirect? MS. MOEN:No other questions.Thank you. a few minutes. (The witness left the stand. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Let I S go at ease for in order.Mr. Kline. (Off the record discussion. COMMISSIONER SMITH:The hearing will be MR. KLINE:I call Rick Gale. JOHN R. GALE produced as a rebuttal witness at the instance of the Idaho Power Company, having been previously duly sworn, resumed the stand and was further examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION Mr. Gale, would you please state your name BY MR. KLINE: for the record? 3123 GALE (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 John R. Gale , still known as Ric Gale. And you are the same Mr. Gale that presented direct testimony in this proceeding, are you CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Yes, I am. not? And you have prefiled rebuttal testimony consisting of 39 pages and Exhibits 79 through 80; is that correct? Tha t 's correct. Do you have any additions or corrections that you need to make to either your testimony or your I would like to update Exhibit 80 to reflect the new cap structure that Dennis Gribble described this morning. Would you proceed to do that? exhibits? Okay.In the column with the heading IPC Rebuttal , the long term debt piece now would change to 83 as stated by witness Gribble and the overall rate of return will drop to 8.32, and with that drop in the overall rate of return , there is a change to the return on rate base, so in the far right column on change to return on rate base , we now have a negative 216,642. COMMISSIONER SMITH:m sorry, which line are you on? 3124 GALE (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 THE WITNESS:It would have been very nice if I had numbered the lines, so if you look at the titles on the left-hand side and you see change to return on rate base , go all away across to where you see the zero, it is no longer a zero , it is now a reduction COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. THE WITNESS:-- of 216 642.Staying in that far right column , ultimately that will impact the number in the box that starts with negative 5 820 and that will be a negative 5 959 655 , and continuing to take the scalpel to the boulder , the next line will be a minus 025 965 , which leaves us with a punch line which is 70,319 303 which would be the requested Idaho jurisdictional increase on rebuttal. BY MR. KLINE:And that is your only change here , Mr. Gale? As cumbersome as it was , yes. Mr. Gale , with that change, if I were to ask you the same questions contained in your prefiled rebuttal testimony today, would your answers be the same? Yes , they would. MR. KLINE:And with that, Madam Chairman I would request that Mr. Gale's rebuttal testimony be spread on the record and that Exhibits 79 and 80 be CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3125 GALE (Di -Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 marked for identification. COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there is no objection , it is so ordered. (The following prefiled rebuttal testimony of Mr. John Gale is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3126 GALE (Di-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 Please state your name and the party you are representing. John R. Gale.I am testifying on behalf of Idaho Power Company. Are you the same Mr. Gale that presented direct testimony in this proceeding? Yes. What issues will you be responding to in your rebuttal testimony? My testimony will (1) provide an overview of the Staff's collective recommendations and approach to this rate case,(2) respond to a variety of specific revenue requirement adj ustments proposed by the Staff, (3) discuss the proposals for systematic ratemaking treatment of the irrigation subsidy,(4) respond to a number of witnesses who are opposed to the proposed increase to the monthly service charge for small customer classes (5) speak to the decoupling issue , and (6) end by summarizing revenue requirement impact of the Company's collective rebuttal positions. Overview Please summari ze your understanding of the collective revenue requirement recommendations of the Commission Staff. The Staff attacks the Company's revenue 3127 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company requirement in a number of ways through a number of wi tnesses. Ms. Carlock recommends lower returns on both the debt and equity portion of the Company's proposed capital structure.Her repricing of bonds expiring in 2004 reduces the debt component.The return on equity selected by Ms. Carlock is 10.0 percent compared to the 11.2 percent proposed by Idaho Power. Mr. English eliminates ongoing pension expense from the test year , removes prepaid pension from rate base and makes other expense reductions related to membership dues , legal fees, and other business expenses. Mr. Leckie changes the Company I s proposed annualizing and known and measurable adjustments in a manner that effectively disallows important plant facilities that are providing customer service as we speak.Mr. Leckie reclassifies some past investments related to the Company's hydro production in order to remove these investments from the test year.He al so removes a portion of a document management system and some thermal production assets at IERCO. Mr. Holm accepts six Company proposed adjustments (all of which appropriately reduce the Company's revenue requirement), adj usts certain payroll-related expenses to account for year-end labor costs , and adj usts accumulated 3128 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company depreciation and depreciation expense to reflect the settlement and final order of Case No. IPC-03-Mr. Holm removes the incentive or pay-at-risk portion of the Company s compensation package.Mr. Holm also sets the Company's income tax rate to an effective rate that is based on an arbitrary five-year average, which effectively reaches back to grab a 2002 tax deduction and incl udes it in the test year.These adj ustments result in further decreases to the revenue requirement. Mr. Sterling offers support of the Company normalized power supply expenses and the inclusion of the Danskin Station plant.Mr. Hessing addresses class allocations , but did raise the costs of the Company I cloud seeding program as an issue for consideration by the Commission. Other Staff witnesses presented testimony on issues related to rate spread, rate design , and customer service issues without weighing in on revenue requirement. Did any Staff witness propose an adj ustment that would have been a net increase to the Company' initial proposals? None that I can determine. Does the Staff have a designated individual leading the Staff's case? Although none of the witnesses identify 3129 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company themsel ves as the case manager or coordinator, Mr. Holm identifies himself as the overseer of the Staff audit and test year.The collection of disallowances manifests itself in Mr. Holm's testimony.Witnesses appear to have developed their issues independently.As such , it is my opinion that no Staff person weighed the collective impact or reasonableness of all of the proposals. Who is Idaho Power Company I s case manager in this proceeding? I am with assistance from Mr. Said on revenue requirement lssues, Ms. Brilz on rate design issues, and Mr. Kline as lead counsel. Please summarize the Company 1 s rebuttal testimony. Mr. Avera rebuts the rate of return on equity proposals of the Staff and Micron.Mr. Gribble rebuts the Staff's bond repricing proposal and Staff's American Falls Bond treatment. Mr. Obenchain rebuts the Staff's treatment of annualizing and known and measurable adjustments.Mr. Minor rebuts Staff's compensation representations including the exclusion of the Company s pay-at-risk or incentive portion of its employees ' compensation.Mr. Fowler rebuts Staff's treatment of pension expense and prepaid pension in rate base. 3130 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company Mr. Prescott addresses Danskin Station Power Plant, the Woodhead Park improvements, the cost of the Biological Opinion litigation , and Idaho Power's cloud seeding program.Mr. MacMahon and Mr. Ripley rebut Staff's tax proposals. Mr. Said rebuts Staff's proposal for the Expense Adj ustment Rate for Growth.Ms. Brilz rebuts the assorted class allocation issues and pricing proposals. Ms. Fullen responds to Ms. Parker s recommendations regarding customer service issues and addresses Mr. Robinette's proposals regarding Low-Income Weatherization Assistance. Revenue Requirement Reductions Mr. English excludes a number of Idaho Power expenses listed on Staff Exhibit 110.Please give your general response to these exclusions. Mr. English states that a Company expense must be directly or indirectly related to providing electricity in order for it to be a legitimate expense recoverable through rates.By applying this definition business expenses are excluded from the Company s revenue requirement based on Mr. English's opinion that they benef i t only the shareholder and not the customer.Many of these exclusions deserve a closer look. Line 1 of Exhibit No. 110 excludes 75 percent 3131 GALE, DI-Reb Idaho Power Company of the Company I s expenses associated with its involvement with Edison Electric Institute ("EEI"Please respond 3132 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company this exclusion. EEI is the trade association of the electric utility industry.As such it provides a variety of services to meet its clients I needs with regard to electric policy formulation at the local, state congressional , and federal regulatory levels.EEI serves as an educational guide through the complex issues facing our industry today:energy infrastructure, environmental issues , emerging accounting issues, legal and business practices, and reliability issues.EEI actively encourages debate among members as to how best to address and respond to these issues through its sponsorship of special i zed committees, informational webcasts and conferences and the creation of Internet workrooms that foster collaboration with member utilities.In fact , EEI serves a similar function to investor-owned utilities as the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commission does to state public utility commissions.Both entities exist to provide critical industry data to its members and support the advancement and promotion of equitable regulations. Staff's testimony recommends the elimination of approximately 75 percent of the Company I S EEI dues from the test year.Staff's reasoning is two-fold; first they believe it is inappropriate to pass on dues expense to customers if those dues go to associations that do not 3133 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company provide products that allow Idaho Power to provide electricity to its customers.Second , Staff states that customers should not be forced to support an organization whose ideology they may not agree with.Staff also questions the need for EEI lobbying efforts when the Company has an employee whose sole responsibility is representing the Company on maj or political efforts. I would like to take a moment to address each of Staff's concerns. First , EEI provides products and services to Idaho Power that directly affect the Company's ability to provide low cost , reliable power to its customers.For example Idaho Power participates in the Transmission Subj ect Area Committee (" TSAC") and the Distribution Subj ect Area Committee ("DSAC"Both of these commi t tees are sponsored by EEI. Participating on the TSAC and DSAC provides Idaho Power and its customers the following benefits: Best Practices - Idaho Power shares with, and learns from , other utilities in the areas of design, engineering, construction , operation , and maintenance of substations , transmission lines, and distribution lines. As a direct result of this participation , the Company has chosen design and drafting applications and tools. Equipment Failures - The Company receives 3134 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company reports of specific failures of equipment.By using this information , Idaho Power is able to prevent, or mitigate for , potential failures.This information has been used to avoid costly outages and catastrophic failures of transformers, circuit breakers , protective relays, and capaci tors. New Products - The Company receives reports of new equipment with which other utilities have had success or failure.This allows the Company to keep up with technology that its small size would otherwise prevent. Based on this , new technology products have been used to increase reliability for Idaho Power customers.Idaho Power has also avoided other products that showed promise , but were not successful. Roundtable Surveys - The Company is able to participate in roundtable questionnaires that quiz utilities about their design , construction , and operating practices.This allows the Company to compare itself to the best in class , and improve efficiency. EEI Network Survey - Idaho Power has the ability to canvas other utilities on a particular issue at any time during the year , providing up to the minute information on equipment and issues. Idaho Power also participates in EEI on the Metering Subj ect Area Commi t tee (" MSAC" ) . Participating on MSAC 3135 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company provides Idaho Power and its customers the following benefits: Best Practices - Through a partnership between EEI and the American Gas Association , Idaho Power' Metering Department participates and obtains the results of a benchmarking service called Data Source.This membership enables the Company to compare standard performance measurements against other electric and gas utilities and helps identify best practices and areas for improvement. Equipment Failures - The EEI Transmission, Distribution, and Metering Conference occurs semi-annually.During these meetings specific sessions, excl uding manufacturers , are held for the sole purpose of discussing equipment problems utilities have been experiencing with their metering equipment.The Company considers the experience of other utilities as part of its evaluation of products for servicing our customers. Industry Networking - Idaho Power is part of and utilizes a nation-wide network of individuals involved in the utility industry.The Company frequently contacts these people to discuss issues and ideas specific to metering. Surveys - The Company is able to participate in EEI enabled questionnaires that allow us to quiz other utilities about their design, construction , and operating 3136 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company practices.This allows for acquisition of more specific information than is provided in the Data Source benchmarking service. These examples of membership benefits have been cited specifically because they are less high profile than the victories that the Company and its customers have had with the help of EEI in the legislative and federal regulatory arena.These victories include but are not limited to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission s ("FERC") recognition of the need for regional flexibility in its revised Wholesale Market Platform paper , and maj or progress on the comprehensive energy legislation specifically with regard to the creation of a mandatory reliability organization streamlining of hydropower relicensing, and new funding for Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program. Staff's characterization of EEI as solely a legislative lobbying and regulatory advocacy organization for investor-owned electrical utilities providing no benefit to Idaho Powers customers is incomplete and incorrectly assumes that the interests of Idaho Power and its customers are unaligned. Second, Staff characterizes EEI as an ideological organization that customers should not be forced to support. In fact, EEI is a trade organization that represents the 3137 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company interests of its members through the education of decision makers about the complex issues facing the industry.The organization promotes no doctrine or political ideology for mass acceptance or belief in ei ther the modern pej orati ve sense or in the classic definition of the word. Third , Staff takes issue with EEI lobbying efforts when the Company has a Company officer whose sole responsibility is representing the Company on major political efforts.To begin with , EEI spends less than 25 percent of its membership dues on legislative advocacy.Applying this logic to Staff I s adj ustment would equate to the removal of 25 percent of EEI dues from the test year , not 75 percent.However , I do not accept Staff's hypothesis that lobbying is per se "bad" Lobbying is targeted education and when such education serves to preserve or improve Idaho Power's ability to deliver reliable low-cost power to its customers , all interests benefit.Furthermore, the efforts of EEI and the position of the Vice President of Public Affairs are not duplicative as alleged by Mr. English.The Vice President of Public Affairs is completely immersed in the maj or hydro relicensing efforts of the Company.This means that the Company must marshal additional resources in order to cover the active proceedings at the FERC 3138 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company (Standard Market Design , Generation Interconnection Standards of Conduct , Regional Transmission 3139 GALE , DI-Reb lla Idaho Power Company Organization Formation, Supply Margin Assessment, Reliabili ty, and Infrastructure Protection), and on Capitol Hill (Comprehensive Energy Bill) Finally, Staff concludes their comments with regard to EEI membership dues by stating that the Company can access EEI research without contributing to the cause. Clearly, Staff is conceding that EEI in fact serves more purposes than just advocacy, but regardless , I do not believe that the Commission would view this type of freeloading as sound public policy. Line 2, 3 , and 4 of Exhibit No. 110 excludes Company dues and contributions to Rotary, Kiwanis, and Lions service clubs.Please respond to this exclusion. I am not sure which service clubs Mr. English has attended , but as a long time Rotarian and a past Kiwanian, it is incorrect to characterize any of these service clubs as "spiritual II .Service clubs serve an important community and customer function.They serve as a great extension of our community relations I efforts and complement the work of our Community Relations Representatives.The opportunities to network with customers in our communities are particularly important since the centralization of the Company I s customer service operations.Reaching out to the community is especially important during this critical time in the 3140 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company Company s rel icensing process.Idaho Power submits that there is a bona fide business purpose to being involved in the community it serves.My experience has been that, besides the business establishments, many state agencies have employees as members in service clubs as well. Line 5 of Exhibit 110 excludes Company expenses related to various Chambers of Commerce.Please respond to this exclusion. Mr. English incorrectly states that Chambers of Commerce actions have no impact on Idaho Power Company. Chamber meetings and activities become great opportunities for Idaho Power to work for and with the customers on issues of mutual concern.Many of the Chambers to which Company employees belong are also responsible for their cities' economic development function.To the extent that the Chambers are successful in business attraction and creating a healthy business environment , their actions have a direct impact on our Company. Chambers serve an important community and customer function.As with the service clubs, Chambers are an extension of Company Community Relations Representatives and particularly important since the centralization of the Company's operations and our current relicensing efforts.Idaho Power submits that there is a bona fide 3141 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company business purpose to being involved with our customers. believe 3142 GALE, DI-Reb 13a Idaho Power Company that many state agencies have employees as members of Chambers of Commerce as well. Line 6 of Exhibit No. 110 excludes Company expenses related to $2 000 of political contributions made during the test year.Please respond to this exclusion. The Company agrees with this exclusion.The transactions were incorrectly coded and inadvertently included in the Company's initial filing.It is not the Company's intent to have our customers pay for political contributions. Line 7 of Exhibit No. 110 excludes Company expenses related to Company memberships in the Arid Club. Please respond to this exclusion. Memberships in the Arid Club serve a business purpose for Idaho Power - specifically, business meetings , business contacts , and board dinners.The Arid Club also provides some non-business social benefits that are not business expenses. The Company excluded non-business Arid Club expenses in its filing by including the individual members' personal reimbursement to Idaho Power for the non-business use of the club.Accordingly, the Company believes that the partial inclusion of Arid Club expenses for business purposes is appropriate and standard for the 3143 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company industry. The Staff did not recognize the reimbursements in 3144 GALE , DI -Reb 14a Idaho Power Company its position.The Staff has also double-counted Arid Cl ub expenses in several instances. Staff goes on to state that there may be other Company employees whose club memberships are provided by the Company.On the contrary, the Company does not provide any additional Arid Club memberships other than the four officers noted by Staff.Additionally, the Company provides no other memberships for any employee to a country club or similar type exclusive social organi za t ion. Line 8 of Exhibit No. 110 excludes Company expenses related to $36,066 of chari table contributions made during the test year.Please respond to this exclusion. The Company generally agrees with the items excluded on line The transactions were incorrectly coded and inadvertently included in the Company s initial filing.It is not the Company I s intent to have our customers pay for chari table contributions, only benefit from them.In reviewing Page 2 of Exhibit No. 110, it appears that Staff excluded several legitimate items; however , the dollar impact is inconsequential. Accordingly, we would accept the full exclusion. On Page 28 of his direct testimony, Mr. English excludes business expenses for Company management 3145 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company (Exhibit No. 111).Please respond to this exclusion. While admittedly, the audit uncovered some 3146 GALE , DI -Reb 15a Idaho Power Company items that were inappropriately brought above the line, the bulk of these expenses are legitimate.Previously, I have discussed the inclusion of EEI membership as a bona fide business expense of the Company.EEI meetings are as well.The Company must be able to communicate with individuals (including legislators and lobbyists) concerning important matters impacting both the Company and its customers.Foremost among these is the relicensing of the Hells Canyon Complex which will affect customers. Mr. English also excludes legal expenses related to the California and Pacific Northwest Refund Cases.Please respond to this exclusion. Mr. English has proposed to remove $352 544 in legal expenses from the test year.He does so on the erroneous premise that these legal fees were incurred to defend IDACORP Energy'(" IE I ) actions in two proceedings before the FERC.These proceedings are commonly known as the California Refund Case and the Pacific Northwest Refund Case (collectively the "Refund Cases " ) . While Idaho Power and IE did incur some legal expenses defending various allegations against IE in the two Refund Cases, none of those legal expenses are included in the test year.The $352 544 in legal expenses included in the test year were incurred solely 3147 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company to ensure that Idaho Power would not be precluded from receiving refunds that might ultimately be 3148 GALE , DI -Reb 16a Idaho Power Company ordered by the FERC. Please elaborate. Mr. English is correct when he states that because IE operated under Idaho Power I S FERC market rate authority for a time, Idaho Power was included as a respondent in the Refund Cases.At the time the Refund Cases were filed , Idaho Power recognized it needed to separate itself from IE to avoid the appearance of a conflict and preserve Idaho Power 's abil i ty to obtain refunds if refunds were ultimately determined to be owing.To avoid potential claims of conflict of interest , Idaho Power hired the law firm of Sidley, Austin , Brown & Wood , LLP (II Sidley, Austin") to independently represent Idaho Power in the Refund Cases. IDACORP Energy retained the law firm of LeBoeuf, Lamb Green & MacRae , LLP (IILeBoeuf , Lamb") to defend its interests in the two Refund Cases.The $352 544 in legal expense identified by Mr. English is attributable to the legal services provided to Idaho Power by Sidley, Austin. In short , the legal expenses Mr. English seeks to exclude were incurred by Idaho Power with the intent to benefit customers if refunds were ordered. Mr. English testifies that by seeking to include the above-referenced $352 544 in test year legal expenses , Idaho Power is acting in a way that is 3149 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company inconsistent with the commitment the Company made to exclude 3150 GALE , DI -Reb 17a Idaho Power Company from its rates expenses from non-utility businesses. he correct? No.Idaho Power I s actions in this instance are consistent with its representations to the Commission that it would separate Idaho Power and IE expenses. Contrary to Mr. English's assertions, Idaho Power is not seeking reimbursement of any legal expenses incurred to defend IE.The legal expenses in question were incurred to preserve potential benefits for utility customers. Will the Company continue to incur expenses associated with the California Refund Case and the Pacific Northwest Refund Case? It is likely that it will.Al though FERC has determined in the Pacific Northwest Refund Case that no refunds are justified , that case is currently on appeal. The California Refund Case is still an ongoing proceeding.While it currently appears unlikely that refunds will be ordered , it is always difficult to predict the outcome of litigation.Of course , if the Company knows it will be unable to recover its legal expenses incurred to pursue these refunds , it would be logical for the Company to cease actively participating in the cases and thereby reduce its exposure to unrecoverable legal expenses. Were you also asked to review the Staff 3151 GALE, DI -Reb Idaho Power Company proposal presented by Mr. Leckie to remove $19.8 million 3152 GALE , DI -Reb 18a Idaho Power Company investment related to the Bridger rewind proj ect and the Brownlee-Oxbow transmission line? Yes. Did you also review the Staff proposal presented by Mr. Leckie to remove $7.5 million of the investment in the Brownlee Woodhead Park? Yes. Do you agree with Staff I s proposals that these investments should be removed? No.Mr. Leckie I s removal of investment for the Bridger rewind and the Brownlee-Oxbow transmission line is founded on an erroneous interpretation of prior Commission and Supreme Court rulings concerning the addition of investment in rate base that comes on line during the test year.His position on Woodhead Park is based on the erroneous position that a return on the park can be deferred. Please explain. Both the Commission and the Supreme Court have observed that the test year to be utilized in a revenue requirement proceeding and the investment (rate base) that make up that test year are, to a certain extent, subj ect to the Commission's discretion so long as the resul t that is obtained is reasonable.In that regard, there has been considerable discussion over the years in 3153 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company revenue requirement proceedings as to whether an average rate base should be used or a year-end rate base should be used.The material part of the discussions has focused on the type of investment or rate base that is added.The question is whether the investment in plant under consideration produces revenues.In short , the Commission and the courts are both concerned with the mismatch of revenues with investment/expenses.I f the plant that is added does not add additional revenue or if that additional revenue is de minimis, then there is no mismatch of revenues and expenses when the full or year-end investment of the plant item is included in rate base.In my opinion , if the full or year-end investment of the plant is not recognized in the test year when there is no additional revenue , a Commission determination to not include the investment would be unreasonable. What type of additional plant does not add additional revenue? There are two classic examples of this issue in the current proceeding.The rewind of the Bridger generator and other acti vi ties at Bridger No.3 do not increase the Company s revenues.The rewind did not add additional revenues that were not already included in the test year.The rewind of the generator is required to 3154 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company avoid the potential failure of the generator and was undertaken 3155 GALE , DI-Reb 20a Idaho Power Company for reliability purposes, not to increase plant production.Since reliability has been increased , the investment is prudent and it must be fully recognized or the Company's investors will not be compensated for their investment.Delaying a return on the full investment until a later test year is unfair when the full investment is for a proj ect that will be used and useful throughout the period of time new rates will be in effect.This is doubly unfair when only the depreciated plant will be included in the next test year. The Brownlee-Oxbow transmission line falls in the same category.That line was constructed for reliability purposes to add an additional power source to the greater Boise area and does not add additional revenue to the test year that is not already included.The full benefit of that line is realized once the transmission line is placed in serVlce and the Company's customers are receiving the full benefit of that line.To delay a return on a portion of the investment based upon an argument that the investment has not been on line for the full year ignores the basic fundamentals of rate making. Mr. Leckie implies that his position requires an interpretation of Idaho Code , ~ 61-502A.Do you agree? , I do not.I am advised by Company legal 3156 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company counsel that Idaho Code, ~ 61-502A does not apply to the investments in Bridger or Brownlee-Oxbow.Rather, as set forth in the legislative intent section of that legislation , Idaho Code, ~ 61-502A was passed specifically for the purpose of overturning the Supreme Court decision,Utah Power Light Company v. Idaho Public Utili ties Commission, 105 Idaho 822 , 673 P. 2d 422 (December 14 , 1983), which decision had required the inclusion of construction work in progress in rate base. That section has nothing to do with the inclusion of short-term work in progress in rate base. Is short-term work in progress referred to in the section? Yes , but only to make it clear that short-term work in progress is not excluded , and would contlnue to be included in rate base as it had always been. Why does Idaho Code, ~ 61-502A not apply to the Bridger rewind proj ect and the Brownlee-Oxbow transmission line? Nei ther the Bridger rewind proj ect nor the Brownlee-Oxbow transmission line are proj ects that began and were completed in twelve months.The two investments are not construction work in progress, since they are now on-line, and for the same reason , they are not plant held for future use.As a result , Idaho Code, ~ 61-502A is 3157 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company not applicable. Can you also comment on Staff's proposal to 3158 GALE , DI -Reb 22a Idaho Power Company disallow a return on the Brownlee Woodhead Park? I am not aware of any precedent for the Staff' recommendation.The plant is currently used and useful, the park is a part of a hydroelectric facility.The license for Hells Canyon is subj ect to the jurisdiction of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission , and FERC has approved the improvements to the park.The only basis advanced by Staff for removing the investment is that it will also be used for relicensing purposes at a later date.Staff has not contended that the improvements to the Woodhead Park are imprudent.The Company investors are entitled return on the investment the Brownl ee Woodhead Park that investment meets the criteria of all rate-making principles.It is used and useful , it lS a prudent investment, and it is currently authorized under the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission license for the Hells Canyon proj ect.That the park will be a factor in the relicensing process should not disqualify the facility from being currently included in rate base. Does Staff's recommendation that the depreciation expense of the Woodhead Park investment be allowed further demonstrate the unreasonableness of Staff's position? Yes.To contend that the Company can only 3159 GALE, DI -Reb Idaho Power Company recover its depreciation expenses (i.e. recover its investment, which will cause a reduction in investment) is, in essence, to allow for the recovery of the investment without any return on that investment.I am legally advised that this position is one of obvious confiscation.The utility has made an investment for which Staff recommends it receive no return , even though the investment is being reduced through depreciation. On Page 33 of his testimony, Mr. Holm discusses three items related to outside consulting assistance used by Idaho Power in three different proceedings during 2003.He proposes to amortize these amounts over five years.What is your response to his proposal? Idaho Power retains expert outside services every year.These three instances are indicative of the usual level of expense, not a one-time phenomena and should be recovered fully in the test year. Mr. Holm also addresses two intervenor funding amounts and proposes a similar one-fifth recovery per year.In the al ternati ve , Mr. Holm also lists the PCA as a means for their recovery.What is your response? Because the PCA is an annual adj ustment , it is the perfect tool to recover intervenor funding amounts. Irrigation Subsidy wi tnesses Mr. Higgins (Kroger), Dr. Peseau 3160 GALE, DI -Reb Idaho Power Company (Micron), and Dr. Power (AARP) both suggest systematic approaches to eliminate the irrigation subsidy demonstrated by the Company's Class Cost of Service Study, Exhibit No. 39.Please respond to their recommendations. These witnesses seek to pursue a systematic approach to removing the irrigation subsidy.Mr. Higgins and Dr. Power recommend periodic rate adjustments to all customer groups such that the irrigation revenues are increased over time with corresponding decreases to the other customer groups.Dr. Peseau sets all customer groups ' revenue requirements , except for irrigation service, to cost of service now and then periodically increases the irrigation rates until they have reached cost of service.The revenue shortfall experienced by Idaho Power is deferred and collected in the future from the irrigation class. In my mind , if the Commission were to accept any of these recommendations, three conditions would have to be present -(1) cost of service would be the sole basis for determining the revenue requirement of each customer class (2) the results from the current-cost-of service analysis would be expected to continue into the future, and (3) the time period between general rate filings would be expected to be significant.I do not believe 3161 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company that any of these conditions exist at this time. Regarding the first condition , the Idaho Commission 3162 GALE , DI-Reb 25a Idaho Power Company has historically taken more than just the pure cost of service result into account when establishing class revenue allocations, with rate shock being one of those considerations.Addressing the second condition , the costs of service results do change over time for a number of economic and technological reasons.Changes in load and usage patterns within customer classes as well as changes to the Company s marginal costs all affect the cost-of-service results.In addition , pricing impacts, consumer information, new peak clipping programs, and the selection of new resources will continue to change the Company's costs going forward.Finally, with regard to the third condition , it is my expectation that the Company will be filing successive general rate adjustments in the coming years that will provide opportunities to timely reevaluate the irrigation subsidy.I make this statement knowing that the Bennett Mountain Plant is under construction , the Company' capital budgets are dramatically increasing in the next several years in all areas, and that the Hells Canyon Relicensing is scheduled for completion in 2008. Should the Commission decide to institute a systematic approach at this time , does the Company have a preference between the recommendations? The Company views the recommendations of Mr. 3163 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company Higgins and Dr. Power as the only workable approach. Idaho Power has no appetite to establish a deferral for uncollected irrigation revenue.Postponing a rate increase to match a deferral of costs is inappropriate when rates can easily be approved to match current cost levels.Deferral accounting will only add another level of complexity to an already complicated issue. addition , aggressively ramping up irrigation rates without an evaluation at each step could have a severe impact to the irrigation customer class.The Company, or those irrigation customers remaining in business at the end of Dr. Peseau' s process could easily be left holding the bag.Given the importance of electricity to the quality of life for all people , the Company believes that great care must be taken with any systematic approach to the elimination of the irrigation subsidy. Monthly Service Charge Witnesses Mr. Hirsh , Ms. Ottens, Mr. Schunke and Dr. Power have addressed the Company I s proposed monthly service charge.What is your understanding of the positions that these witnesses have taken with respect to the Company's recommendation? My understanding of the positions taken by these witnesses are as follows: Ms. Hirsh states in her testimony that the only costs that can appropriately be included in the fixed 3164 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company monthly service charge for the residential class are those that are customer-specific and that do not vary wi th the number of customers served or with demand or energy usage.Ms. Hirsh states these costs are meters, line drops , meter reading and billing; but in order to incent customers to increase energy efficiency and conserve energy, the monthly service charge should be considerably lower even than the sum of these costs. That is , that some portion of these customer-related costs , as defined by Ms. Hirsh , should be transferred into other rate elements within the residential class to increase the portion of the bill over which customers have control. Ms. Ottens states that the Company s proposed monthly service charge does not take into account the situation of low-income customers and the impact of their monthly electric bills on limited financial resources. She states that the Company's proposal results in low-income households paying for fixed costs beyond their control and that low-income customers will be unable to compensate or utilize energy conservation methods in order to keep their bills low.Ms. Ottens recommends that Idaho Power's residential monthly service charge remain at its current level. Mr. Shunke' s position regarding the monthly service 3165 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company charge varies from class to class.In general , Mr. Shunke ' s 3166 GALE, DI-Reb 28a Idaho Power Company position is that, at least with respect to the residential class,(Schedule 1), the small general service class (Schedule 7), and the large general service class - secondary (Schedule 9 - secondary) the monthly service charge should include only the direct costs of meter reading and billing and should not include any fixed plant cost.In addition , he states that the Company s proposed monthly service charge for the residential class will have a disproportionate effect on low- income customers and sends the incorrect signal that largest users should receive a small rate increase while customers with the lowest usage should receive the highest increase.He recommends an increase in the customer charge for the residential and small general service classes but not to the level justified by cost of service because of the low overall staff-recommended rate increase for these customers. Dr. Power asserts that the appropriate definition of customer costs are those meter reading and billing costs that vary with the number of customers and that this variable portion represents about 70 percent of total billing and meter reading costs for the residential class.Dr. Power obj ects to the Company s method of designating distribution costs as customer or demand related and to the principle of aligning fixed and 3167 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company variable costs with fixed and variable prices, respectively.He proposes a small 3168 GALE , DI-Reb 29a Idaho Power Company increase in the existing monthly service charge, only, to account for some of the effects of inflation. Please respond to the collective criticisms. Idaho Power seeks to better align costs and prices.As is expressed in my direct testimony on the irrigation subsidy, sometimes this alignment has constraining circumstances that calls for a less than cost of service result to be implemented.The Company realizes that within a customer group there can be billing impacts of a rate design change that are too dramatic for the moment.Idaho Power believes that ul timately the Monthly Service Charge should actually be much higher than the current proposal, potentially in the $25 to $30 range.Because of the intra-class billing impacts , the Company proposed a partial yet material step to $10.However , similar to our position on the irrigation subsidy, the Company believes some progress needs to be made in reducing the disparity. In an ideal situation , tbe capacity costs for Residential and Small General Service customers would be recovered through some type of demand charge.The metering for these two customer classes do not presently provide that option, leaving only two charges from which to collect the capacity costs - the monthly service charge and the energy charge.Since energy costs to 3169 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company serve small customers are not dramatically more than serving large customers, Idaho Power 3170 GALE , DI-Reb 30a Idaho Power Company seeks to remove or at least partially remove the capacity costs from the energy charge and move these costs onto the monthly service charge.The monthly service charge would eventually become an access charge. Deregulation would ultimately separate the energy component from the access component.The access component is the collection of facilities and expenses (unrelated to energy) required to serve a customer from the grid.Although Idaho Power does not believe deregulation to be on the immediate horizon in Idaho , we do know how quickly the issue emerged before.We also have a reasonable idea of how much unbundling and rebundling needs to be done to our pricing structure before deregulation could take place. Finally, an access and usage approach is working in many service industries and has a logical application for electric service as well. Please respond to the suggestion that the energy rate needs to be nigh in order to provide a conservation signal. I would ask what is the economic basis for setting the high energy rate and why should it only apply to the small customer?It makes no sense to me to apply an arbitrary conservation price signal to only the smallest customers.Fixed cost recovery through variable 3171 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company rates can itself be a barrier to the introduction of demand-side 3172 GALE , DI-Reb 31a Idaho Power Company acti vi ties because the util i ty is resistant to reducing sales and not covering all of its fixed costs. Ul timately, customers can lower their bills by using less , no matter what the energy rate , since every kilowatt-hour is billed. Ms. Ottens , in her testimony (page 10 line 12), expresses concern that the Company I s proposed increase to the minimum monthly service charge will hit the low income customers hardest because the charge is not directly correlated to the level of actual energy usage and because low income customers cannot compensate by turning the lights off and the heat down.Please address these concerns. The Company disagrees with Ms. Ottens assertion.It is Idaho Power's position that because residential service includes two rate components , the monthly service charge and the energy charge , every customer whether low income or not can affect the amount of their energy bill by improving control over household energy use.Customers can compensate not just by turning the lights off and the heat down but by changing filters regularly, moving furniture away from registers , cleaning light fixtures regularly, and caulking doors and windows. It is also significant to note that because Residential Service includes only two rate components an 3173 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company increase in the amount of revenue recovered through the service charge results in a decrease in the necessary amount 3174 GALE , DI-Reb 32a Idaho Power Company of revenue to be recovered through the energy charge. With a higher service charge , the energy charge can be set lower than it otherwise would be. Mr. Robinette states in his testimony (page 8 , line 3) that II due to the very nature , low income households reside in older housing stock that are the most energy inefficient II .He suggests that these inefficiencies lead to high usage and utility bills that "start building up and become unmanageable. The Company's data for low-income customers confirms that the maj ority of low-income customers have usage greater than 700 kWh in both the summer and non- summer months.(Please see Exhibit No. 79 , Idaho Power's Response to 3rd Production Request of Staff No.4 0) .The Company analysis also confirms that for both the summer and non-summer months, but particularly during the heating season, the lower energy charge resulting from the increase in the service charge to $10.00 is actually beneficial to a majority of our low-income customers. Fixed Cost True-Up Mechanism In Mr. Cavanagh's direct testimony, he states that there are significant financial disincentives to sustained investments in cost -effective energy efficiency and small-scale "distributed" generating resources by I daho Power Company.Mr. Cavanagh proposes a solution to 3175 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company this problem , and starts off by stating that one of the Company's most important responsibilities involves the process of integrated resource planning.Do you agree? Yes, I do agree that one of the Company' important responsibilities is integrated resource planning.In fact, the Company is currently preparing its 2004 Integrated Resource Plan.As part of this biennial process , the Company has solicited public input throughout the planning process, and has implemented an Integrated Resource Planning Advisory Council which meets regularly with the Company.This Advisory Council reviews material prepared by the Company as well as makes suggestions and presentations to the group for al ternati ve resources to meet the Company I s resource needs.Mr. Cavanagh is a member of this advisory council and has participated throughout the process. Mr. Cavanagh proposes a possible solution for these perceived financial disincentives by recommending that the Commission adopt a simple system of periodic true-ups in electric rates , designed to correct for disparities between the Company's actual fixed cost recoverles and the revenue requirement approved by the Commission in this proceeding.Mr. Cavanagh states that these true-ups would either restore 3176 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company to the Company or give back to the customers the dollars that were under- or over-recovered as a result of annual throughput fluctuations.Does the Company agree with this solution? Mr. Cavanagh recognizes the dilemma that the Company faces when fixed costs are not recovered fully through retail sales because sales volumes are lower than proj ected.The Company has begun an extensive review of this problem and is looking obj ecti vely at several possible solutions.However , such a system of periodic true-ups may not ultimately be as II simple II as Mr. Cavanagh suggests.The Company has retained an independent consultant, Mr. Eric Hirst, to assist it in performing a survey and analysis of various true- mechanisms, sometimes referred to as decoupling.Mr. Hirst is well known in the industry and has much experience with al ternati ve methodologies for recovering utility fixed costs.A system of periodic true-ups may be something the Company and its customers may desire in the future, but the Company is not prepared to recommend one at this time. At this point , the Company remains fully obj ecti ve on the decoupling issue , but is keenly interested in how the 3177 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company revenues are eventually recoupled as well.As Idaho Power has discovered in its Power Cost Adj ustment, sometimes there are unanticipated and unintended consequences. The Company s preference would be to complete an issue analysis paper with the help of Mr. Hirst, and distribute a draft for comment to interested parties before coming to a decision point on how best to proceed. This issue lends i tsel f to the workshop and settlement process. Rebut tal Summary Have you prepared an exhibit that summarizes Idaho Power I s positions on rebuttal? Yes.Exhibit No. 80 provides that summary in a format that shows Idaho Power's initially filed positions , the Staff's initial position , and our rebuttal position.Each element of the revenue requirement equation is segmented in Exhibit No. 80.Under the overall Rate of Return section , Idaho Power - - through wi tnesses Mr. Avera and Mr. Gribble - - continues to support 11.2 percent as the appropriate rate.The Company can accept Staff witness Ms. Carlock's 2004 bond pricing adjustment to the debt component with the caveat that Idaho Power s 2004 adj ustments remain in place.Mr. Gribble s Exhibit No. 63 provides the updated capital 3178 GALE , DI -Reb Idaho Power Company structure without accepting the bond repricing.When Ms. Carlock's recommendation is considered , the debt component rate changes to 5.859 percent and the new overall 3179 GALE , DI-Reb 36a Idaho Power Company Rate of Return remaining at 8.334 percent. As outlined in the rebuttal testimony of Messrs. Obenchain , Prescott , and Fowler , the Company does not believe any of the Staff rate base reductions are appropriate.The same overall rate of return applied to the Company's originally requested rate base amount resul ts in no change to the return on rate base. Idaho Power has accepted several of the expense adjustments as proposed by Staff as reasonable in the light of changed circumstances.Obviously, the Company agrees with the reduction of depreciation expense of 411 292.This amount is reflective of the settlement depreciation case , IPC-03-07. The Commission approved the settlement in its Order No. 29363 issued on October , 2003 , a date that came after the filing of the general rate case on October 16, 2003. The Company also agrees that certain adj ustments related to the year-end payroll expenses should be reduced to take into consideration that the Company did not reach the employment level in December that was expected when the case was filed.This impacts three items:the year-end annualizing payroll adj ustment, the Structural Salary Adj ustment (II SSA "), and the incentive on pay-at-risk adjustment.We agree with Mr. Holm' reduction to the year-end payroll annualizing adjustment 3180 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company of $2,052 264 and Mr. Holml s reduction to the SSA of $116,675. The Company does not agree with the Staff's complete removal of the pay-at-risk incentive portion of the employee total compensation as discussed by Mr. Minor in his rebuttal testimony.We do believe its appropriate to reduce this amount to reflect year-end employment levels also.Accordingly, the pay-at-risk/incentive adjustment has been decreased by $277 463. After considering the direct testimony of Staff wi tness Mr. Engl ish on pension expense and conferring wi th the Company's actuary, Mr. Brad Fowler , we have decided to not ask for Service Cost treatment for pension expense and have accepted the more traditional FAS 87 approach.As a result, we no longer request an adj ustment to expense of $2 170 160 and our requested expenses drop by that same amount.Mr. Fowler I s rebuttal testimony supports this decision. Finally, there are some expenses uncovered by Staff in their review that should not have been included in the Company s expenses.These include political and chari table contributions and other expenses that were recorded incorrectly.We do continue to argue for the legi timacy of other business expense related to EEI, service club , and Chamber memberships, and legal expenses 3181 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company related to Idaho Power's interest in the western refund proceedings. 3182 GALE , DI-Reb 38a Idaho Power Company In conclusion, the Company's rebuttal testimony has been directed at our position on the issues, not fixing the Staff's position.We cannot do both in the time frame allowed.Ul timately, if Staff prevails on some of their disallowances, there will be secondary effects that must be addressed at that time. In total , Idaho Power Company acknowledges a $9,066,310 decrease to our originally proposed expense adj ustments.The corresponding tax gross up impact is $5,820,571.The Company I s requested revenue increase drops to $70 675,029 from the original $85,561 910. Does this conclude your direct rebuttal testimony? Yes, it does. 3183 GALE , DI-Reb Idaho Power Company (The following proceedings were had in open hearing. MR. KLINE:And Mr. Gale is available for cross-examination. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. Mr. Budge. MR. BUDGE:Thank you, just a few , if I may. CROSS - EXAMINATION BY MR. BUDGE: Mr. Gale, beginning on Page 24 and continuing on for several pages, you address the proposal of Mr. Higgins and Dr. Peseau and Dr. Power which is, if I can just sum that up, would be to systematically move the irrigators over a course of a few years quickly to full cost of service, and if I could just sum up your testimony without going into it, you appear to raise basically three arguments over the next several pages of your rebuttal and I think the first one is just a recogni tion that there's more than cost of service involved in setting rates. That's correct. And I believe you re referring in part to CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3184 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 prior testimony about rate shock being a factor. I think I mention rate shock again. And then the second point you bring up is the Company is likely to have more frequent rate cases in the future and that will provide an opportunity to periodically review cost of service again. That's true. And then your last point that I did want to ask some questions about is you make a statement on page 27, beginning on line 6, that in addition aggressively ramping up irrigation rates without an evaluation at each step could have a severe impact to the irrigation customer class. Correct. So if I understand your testimony, you do feel that it I S appropriate that if there s going to be periodic raises moving the irrigation class towards cost of service that it should be examined on a case-by-case basis as you move forward with these future cases? I think we 'll have the opportunity and think it's appropriate that the Commission actively take each step instead of passively have it adjust. And would the fact that the irrigation class in particular has di versi ty with the wide spread between the actual rate impact on different customers , is CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3185 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 that also a factor that would cause you to conclude that we shouldn I t systematically just move forward on a flat percentage basis over so many years to get to full cost of service? Well , I think there are dynamics at work impacting our costs that we may see different results in a couple of years. And that would be as a result of changes in the system? Changes in the system , changes in load, pricing impacts.We have a lot of things on the - - among our proposals for rate design and I think in one or two years we could come back , see what has happened as a resul t of all of those. When you state that an aggressive move without an evaluation at each step may have a severe impact there on page 27 , would you also agree that if in fact the impacts to a particular customer are severe that they're also likely to be permanent in nature? Some of them very well could be permanent in nature. I had one other question.The Company had proposed a disproportionate increase to the irrigation class, the 25 percent cap, which would roughly be one-and-half times the average jurisdictional increase CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3186 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 proposed by the Company; is that correct? I'll accept your math, yeah. If the Commission were to ultimately grant an increase of something less, do you continue to believe it would be appropriate to have a larger increase to the irrigation class in that same percentage range or about one-and-half times what the overall customer class or would you adjust it in some different way? The 25 was set in the context of our overall rate lncrease and we do want or the Company' position is to materially move the irrigation class at this time.If the ultimate decision or when the ultimate decision is less than the 17.7 percent, I think the Commission can consider that in setting the irrigation piece.I still would argue for a material step for the irrigation customer class. And you felt one-and-half times what other customers receive would meet that test you have in mind of being a material change or material move towards cost of service? Percentages are always tricky.If the Staff revenue requirement were accepted, that would mean irrigation would get a four-and-half percent , so I' not sure that it would apply at the low end. MR. BUDGE:Thank you.I have no further CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3187 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Budge. Mr. Richardson. MR. RI CHARD SON :No questions, Madam Chairman. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Ward. MR. WARD:No questions. MR. COOKE:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Purdy. MR. PURDY:I I ve managed to pare this down , I hope , quite a bit. CROSS -EXAMINATION BY MR. PURDY: Mr. Gale, you suggested that every customer , including low income customers , have the ability to reduce the amount of their monthly bill and you gave some examples, like moving furniture and cleaning light fixtures and that sort of thing.Do you recall that testimony? Yes. Okay.Now , while these are certainly, I' sure, good ideas and something we all should do, would you agree that far more meaningful to low income CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3188 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 customers would be an increase in LIWA funding, weatherization of their homes? I think that an increase in LIWA funding that would make sense after we worked through the increase would be a - - I could see that as a good impact for the low income customers , yes. Would you agree that absent some increase in funding for LIWA, low income customers generally have less financial ability to weatherize their homes on their own than non-low income customers? I think I would accept that.We are open to discussing increased funding for LIWA. Okay, there was some discussion at some point during the hearing about the reason for the elimination or reduction of DSM for Idaho Power in the mid '90s and that was the fear of stranded investment, deregulation.Given that that fear at least has in the minds of most people been somewhat diminished and given that current LIWA funding levels are only, I think we' established, 0.0003 of the Company I s gross revenues and that the Company does recover all of its LIWA funding, do you have any significant heartburn about increasing LIWA funding up to the levels proposed by Community Action in this case? I just don I t want to blanketly accept that CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3189 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 in the context of a hearing, but we are open to discussing with the Community Action agencies appropriate lncreases to LIWA funding. So you'll make the promise that you will engage in that dialogue? As Ms. Fullen said , willingly. Thank you.Would you agree that LIWA has systemwide benefits Idaho Power the same respect that eve ry DSM program does,and when say systemwide benefits,should condition that and say for other ratepayers? Well , to the extent that LIWA does help on the demand side , I could see system benefits, yes. Might there be other systemwide benefits, including the reduction of a bad debt and arrearages and addi tional uncollected There could be secondary effects as well, yes. With respect to the irrigation subsidy, and it's on page 25 of your rebuttal if you need to look at that , you don t seem to absolutely dismiss the idea of a systematic, as we ve called it , phase-in or increase for irrigation rates, but you imposed in your mind anyway two or three conditions and I think those included that the Company's current cost of service study results will CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3190 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 continue into the future and that there would be no rate case again for a significant period of time.Do you recall that? Yes. Okay.Isn't it true that the Company is in fact using essentially the same cost of service methodology it has used -- that it used 10 years ago In the 1995 case , the 94-5 case? It's very similar.I think some of the weightings that have actually been applied are slightly different. Okay, and has the cost of service study utilized by the Company consistently shown an irrigation subsidy? Since I've been with the Company it has. Okay, and isn 't it also true that in the past 20 years , Idaho Power has only made three general rate case filings , roughly 20 years? In roughly 20 years , yes. Okay; so given that the cost of service resul ts for the irrigation class have revealed a subsidy over 20 years , more or less, and Idaho Power has only filed three rate cases in that time , aren't your condi tions that you have imposed for a systematic increase satisfied? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3191 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 Well , let me take a little bit with that answer.It does, but whenever I do a rate case presentation , it looks like we file general rate cases every decade, but really the thing that drives most cases are lumpy chunks of assets coming on line , and in the 94-5 case, we had some hydro facilities, Milner , with Twin Falls right behind, and in the 265 case, we had Valmy I I , but right before Valmy I I , we had Valmy I , so in that time period we had rate cases two years apart and all I'm saying is my representation today is I think we'll see that time period. We have other things on the time line that ve noted which makes me say it's not going to be 10 years , it's probably going to be two years and then maybe three years. But yet , we've also seen instances such as Swan Falls and Milner where the Company came in and obtained rate relief for its investment in those facilities without filing a general rate case , so my question is what assurance are you offering this Commission , especially given that cost of service studies and general rate filings are expensive and time-consuming and not very popular , what assurance are you giving the Commission that you will in fact come in for a general rate case with a cost of service study in the near CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3192 GALE (X-Reb)I daho Power Company83676 future? Well , I'd certainly agree that they re not very fun.I would give my best representation that given the capital budgets that we have publicly noted in our financial disclosures and the fact that Bennett Mountain is coming on that you could expect a general rate case In two to three years with all the extra goodies, including - - I'm sorry for being flip - - including a full class cost of service study. And finally, Mr. Budge asked you some questions about - - he prefaced it with the fact that the irrigation class is diverse and given the magnitude of the proposed increase for that class, you I re going to see a disproportionate impact on customers within that class and I hope that's a correct paraphrasing of his point. My question to you is , isn't the same true with respect to the residential class? Actually, I believe it is and I think that's partly where we differ from your clients. What's that? On how those impacts affect some of the residential class. Yeah , we might have a disagreement regarding intraclass subsidies, but my point is that the same concerns are that there might be disproportionate CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3193 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 impacts wi thin the residential class and along those lines , have you in making your proposed revenue allocation to the irrigation class conducted any studies or taken into account the impact that the rate increase might have on low income customers? m not aware of a study of our rate impact on low income customers other than what's already been presented. MR. PURDY:That's all I have.Thanks. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Eddie. MR. EDD IE:Thank you , very briefly. CROSS - EXAMINATION BY MR. EDDIE: Mr. Gale , I'm not asking you to prej udge the outcome of. the 2004 integrated resource plan, but is it your expectations that the plan will likely call for an increased investment in certain demand side management programs perhaps over and above the amount of funding that's available from the DSM tariff rider? I think certainly at least from my end that that's my expectation , that you could see an action item or a block of DSM or energy efficiency resources as a result of the 2004 IRP. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3194 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 Getting back to the issue I had asked Ms. Fullen , would it be your proposal that LIWA funds also be collected through the rider mechanism as opposed to coming from some other account or pot of money? Let me take a moment with that because there were three legs to the stool, as Ms. Fullen stated, and they all have some common ties.Sticking with IRP for a second , my expectation is should there be an energy efficient C block coming out of the IRP that that would be then the job of the EEAG to sort through that block of demand side resources and fine~tune it and put it into action , so I see an expanded role for the EEAG that has been alluded to during the last week of hearings, so the IRP would generally define and the EEAG would specifically define and then reconcile energy efficiency spending with the rider. Likewise, for LIWA and separately from the IRP , which was a little bit of the miscommunication should there be additional LIWA funds coming out of discussions with the CAP agencies, I could see easily of marrying that issue up with the IRP energy efficiency dollars and activities, and potentially the NEEA being the third leg of the stool coming together in what could be a future application back to this Commission addressing funding for those three. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3195 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 Just to follow up, is there a time line that you're willing to commit to concerning that type of application that would perhaps clarify the three legs of the stool and propose a change, hopefully an increase, in the DSM funding rider? If I speak out of turn , I III look for a head nod from the back of the room , but I think the IRP lS probably the longest activity of the three.I think we could immediately start talking with the CAP agencies about getting the LIWA set and the NEEA evaluation , I think, is already ongoing, so the IRP finishes in June, then that task in my mind is handed over to the EEAG to reconcile and implement.I think as soon as that has enough quality to take to the Commission , then probably we could take something back to the Commission. Before the end of this year likely? I think that I s doable. MR. EDDIE:That's all I have.Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. Ms. Nordstrom. MS. NORDSTROM:Thank you. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3196 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 CROSS -EXAMINATION BY MS. NORDSTROM: Mr. Gale, good afternoon. Good afternoon. On page 13 , lines 4 and 5 of your rebuttal testimony, you state that many state agencies have employees as members in service clubs.To your knowledge, does the state pay the service club membership dues for state employees? I do not know. Directing your attention to page 24 , you discuss expert outside services. m sorry, one more time, please? Page 24 , you discuss expert outside services.Isn I t it true that Staff did not adjust or amortize most of the service expenses that the Company included in the test year? The ones I'm talking to , I think , are consul ting that were done for regulatory purposes and frequently come out of my department I s budget and what I intend to say is we have consulting services every year in our budget of one form or another related to the different regulatory issues. Would you agree , though, that of the 5. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3197 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 million that the Company requested that this adjustment removes only about 5 percent of that? The 5.5 is the budget or the test year outside services amount? Correct. I would accept your math. On page 3 , lines 4 through 8 , you describe Staff's proposed effective tax rate adjustment.From a policy point of view , could you please explain what would be the impact on the Company if the Commission instead required the Company to normalize the tax adjustment booked in 2002 for regulatory purposes like Avista and PacifiCorp have done? I think that if from a policy point of view the Commission had been under a normalization method for years and years, I I m not sure that I I d have any problem with it whatsoever. Are you saying that that's not the case? Well , what I think is we have a selective application. Has the Company received benefits from flow-through for other items since the last rate case? Are you talking about tax flow-through? Yes. m sorry, I don't know. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3198 GALE (X-Reb) Idaho Power Company83676 MS. NORDSTROM:Thank you.No further questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Are there questions from the Commissioners?Nor I. Redirect. MR. KLINE:No redirect. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you Mr. Ga 1 e . THE WITNESS:Thank you. (The witness left the stand. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Let I S go at ease for a few minutes. (Off the record discussion. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Let's go back on the record.Having concluded our hearing a few days earlier than we originally anticipated, we will accelerate the deadline for posthearing briefs to April 26th. addition , we would request that the parties just limit their briefing to what they consider to be necessary legal or factual issues and you don't have to recap the entire case for us, unless you want to in 25 words or less, which would be helpful. In addition, we would like all applications for intervenor funding to be filed also on April 26th.We'll deem that the date under our rule by CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 3199 COLLOQUY83676 which they should be filed. Are there any other matters that need to come before the Commission before we adjourn?If not, I would just like to thank everyone for your courteous behavior and your camaraderie during our last few days of going through the hearing.It I S sometimes difficult, but it's a necessary part of our process and it does help us in our decision making, so we thank you all for that and the hearing will be adj ourned. , Mr. Ward, by rule , all exhibits which have not previously been admitted are now admitted. (All exhibits previously marked for identification were admitted into evidence. (The Hearing concluded at 5:20 p. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 3200 COLLOQUY 83676 This is to certify that the foregoing proceedings held in the matter of the application of Idaho Power Company for authority to increase its rates and charges for electric service to electric customers in the State of Idaho , commencing at 9:30 a.m. on Monday, March 29, and continuing through Monday, April 5, 2004 at the Commission Hearing Room, 472 West Washington Boise,Idaho , is a true and correct transcript of said proceedings and the original thereof for the file of the Commission. Accuracy of all prefiled testimony as originally submitted to the Reporter and incorporated herein at the direction of the Comission is the sole responsibility of the submitting parties. ,\lilli'"" ..il A " ...~ . v:JI.. r ",II""""" " ,~ " 'I, (\'f~/o\ ~j::\~\ ~ ':S ~ 0 ~ Ciio ,. '\ ~ - - (J \.~ , ;c . .p ::;. " 1 " " ~- ::.. .s-~"I'""""",\" r;) .:..:." 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