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HomeMy WebLinkAbout20040416Volume XIII Part II.pdfJEREMIAH HEALY produced as a witness at the instance of United Water Idaho, having been first duly sworn , was examined and testified as follows: BY MR. MILLER: DIRECT EXAMINATION Mr. Healy, could you state your name and spell your last name for the record, please? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho My name is Jeremiah Healy, H-e-a- And by whom are you employed? COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER:Is your mic on? THE WITNESS:It is now.I I m sorry. My name is Jeremiah Healy, H-e-a- employed by United Water Idaho as coordinator of planning Did you previously have occasion to submit to the Commission prefiled rebuttal testimony consisting of six pages? Yes, I did. If I asked you the questions that are contained in that prefiled testimony would your answers and rates. BY MR. MILLER: be the same? 2279 HEALY (Di-Reb) United Water Idaho83676 Yes. And are the answers contained therein true and correct to the best of your knowledge? Yes, they are. And as I understand it there were no exhibits accompanying your testimony; is that correct? That's correct. MR. MILLER:Wi th that, Madame Chairman, we would ask that the direct rebuttal , or the rebuttal testimony of Mr. Jeremiah Healy be spread on the record as if read in full and would tender Mr. Healy for cross-examination. COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there I s no objection , we will spread the testimony across the record as if read in full. (The following prefiled rebuttal testimony of Mr. Jeremiah Healy is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2280 HEALY (Di-Reb) United Water Idaho83676 Please state your name and business address. Jeremiah J. Healy; 8248 West Victory Road, Boise, ID 83709. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? I am employed by United Water Idaho Inc. UWID" or "the Company ) in the capacity of Coordinator of Planning and Rates. How long have you been employed by United Water Idaho? I have been employed by United Water Idaho and United Water Management and Services Company since February 1980. Briefly described your responsibilities during your tenure. As a Staff Accountant with the Central Region Office in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania until April 1982 I performed general accounting, prepared federal and state tax returns and public utility commission annual reports. In May of 1982 I became an Internal Auditor responsible for conducting financial and special audits on regulated and non-regulated subsidiaries. From September 1985 until December 1989 I was Accounting Supervisor for United Water Idaho. In this capacity, 2281 Healy United Water Idaho Ine. Page 1 was responsible for accounting and planning functions. In January 1990 I became Financial Coordinator responsible for accounting, budgeting and strategic planning for five water and/or wastewater utilities. From August 1993 until October 1994 I was Director of Rates at United Water Management and Services Company. In this capacity prepared rate filings for various utility subsidiaries. In November 1994 I assumed my current position. What is your educational background? 2282 Healy, Re Uni ted Water Idaho Ine.Page la I was granted a Bachelor of Science degree with a major in accounting from the University of South Carolina in May 1977. Before what regulatory commissions have you appeared and presented presented expert testimony? I have testified in various proceedings before the Idaho Public Utilities Commission and I have submitted written testimony before the regulatory bodies in Illinois and Arkansas. Please describe United Water I s interest in this proceeding. uni ted provides domestic water service to approximately 74,000 customers in and around the City of Boise. All of United I s customers are also in Idaho Power I S service territory. In order to operate its electric motors for supply, boosting and distribution purposes, United Water purchases signif icant quanti ties of electric power, primarily under Idaho Power I s Schedule , Large General Service and Primary Service. For the calendar year ending December , 2003 United Water spent over $1.5 million on energy purchases from Idaho Power utilizing approximately 35 million kWh at about 130 separate points of delivery. What is the purpose of your testimony? As noted above, electric power expense is 2283 Healy, ReUni ted Water Idaho Ine. Page 2 a measurable part of United I s cost of providing service to its customers, and these costs, of course, must be recovered from its customers. It is United Water I practice to take reasonable steps to minimize the costs it must pass on to its customers. In particular United is concerned that its electric rates, and consequently the rates United 2284 Healy, ReUnited Water Idaho Ine. Page 2 must charge its customers, include a subsidy to the irrigation class of customers from which United I customers receive no benefit. Accordingly will address the issue of subsidy to the irrigation class. United believes the parties have adequately addressed the many other issues in this case, and I express no opinion on those other issues. What is the magnitude of the subsidy burden to United Water and its customers? Under Idaho Power I s cost of service analysis Schedule 9 customers would receive a 9.57% increase over current rates, based solely on cost of service. Idaho Power's proposal for continuation of the largest part of the subsidy by capping the irrigation class increase at 25% results in a 15.04% rate increase to Schedule (Gale Exhibit Pgs. 2 and 5). Rates for Schedule 9 customers are 5.4 % higher than they should be, absent the subsidy, under Idaho Power s proposal. Additionally, of the $25.6 million subsidy identified by Idaho Power, the burden falls heaviest on the residential class ($12 100,000) and then most heavily on Schedule 9 ($5,900,000). United's residential customers are paying for the subsidy first through their electric rates and then again through their water rates, which include United I S electric power costs. 2285 Healy, ReUni ted Water Idaho Ine. Page 3 Is perpetuation of the irrigation subsidy in the public interest? No. I agree with Dr. Power I s Testimony (Pg. 23 -25) which demonstrates that the subsidy unfairly burdens all other customers without any measurable public interest benefit. Does Idaho Power propose any mechanism to mitigate the subsidy over time? 2286 Healy, Re Uni ted Water Idaho Ine. Page 3 Other than an implication that the issue can again be addressed in subsequent rate cases, the Company does not have any proposal. Has a case-by-case re-litigation of the subsidy issue been successful in the past? No. In response to discovery requests, Idaho Power identified the following percentage increases necessary in irrigation class rates to eliminate the irrigation deficiency in prior cases: 185 Case 59.96% 265A Case 31.16% 94-Case 26.16% (IPCo Answer to AARP Request No. 18). In the present case the percentage increase necessary to eliminate the irrigation deficiency is 67%. The problem has worsened, not improved , over time. The repeated re-litigation of this issue, in addition to consuming party resources in each case, has not worked and it does not appear likely to work in the future. Are there other approaches to this problem other than re-examination of the subsidy in each rate proceeding? Yes. Several parties in this case have proposed systematic approaches for a structured phase-down of the subsidy over time, independent of 2287 Healy, Re Uni ted Water Idaho Ine. Page 4 subsequent rate proceedings. Could you summarize those approaches? 2288 Healy, ReUni ted Water Idaho Ine. Page 4a Yes. AARP proposes annual upward adjustments to the irrigation over a five year period, to accumulate increased revenue to other classes and to return those revenues to the other classes at the time of the annual power cost adj ustment .(Powers Testimony, Pg. 25-26). Kroeger recommends moving Irrigation one-third of the way to full cost of service in three steps over three years and reducing other classes on an equal percentage basis in each of the three years.(Higgins Testimony Pg. 6). The Department of Energy proposes that the Irrigation class receive an increase twice as large as the overall average system increase, although it is not clear to me whether DOE is proposing further adj ustments .(Goins Testimony Pg. 19). Micron proposes that all non-irrigation rate classes rates be set equal to the respective costs of service immediately; that irrigation rates increase by 18.6% and that Idaho power establish a deferred accounting mechanism, or Subsidy Account, that is cleared over five or more years through annual increases to the irrigation class.(peseau Testimony Pg. 25-26). What is your general impression of the above testimony? 2289 Healy, ReUni ted Water Idaho Ine. Page 5 general matter,for perhaps the first time,there strong consensus among most non-lrrigation classes for systematic approach some way phase out the subsidy. Combined, the Residential Class, Schedule 9, Micron and DOE are burdened with $19. million of the $25.6 million subsidy. Put differently, 75% ($19 .lm/$25. 6m) of customer classes burdened by the subsidy favor systematic efforts to remove it. 2290 Healy, ReUnited Water Idaho Ine. Page Sa Of the proposals you have summarized above , do you favor one over the others? Uni ted recommends that the Commission give serious consideration to Dr. Peseau ' s approach. What are the advantages of that approach? It has the advantage of immediately freeing the other customers classes from the burden of the subsidy while phasing-up rates to the irrigation class over a manageable period through the regulatory asset mechanism and Idaho Power is kept whole during the transition. Does this conclude your Rebuttal Testimony? Yes it does. 2291 Healy, ReUnited Water Idaho Ine. Page 6 (The following proceedings were had in open hearing. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Questions?Does the Staff have questions? Company? MR. STUTZMAN:No questions. BY MR. KLINE: COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Budge. MR. BUDGE:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:How about the MR. KLINE:Questions. CROSS-EXAMINATION Mr. Healy, in your rebuttal testimony you talk about the irrigation subsidy; do you not? Yes, I do. How do you - - how are you defining subsidy in your testimony? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho I believe I would define it similar to what Mr. Goins defined it as.As a , you know , the irrigation class being quite far below their cost of service with every other class being above their cost of service to compensate for that. In referring to your use of the term 2292 HEALY (X-Reb) Uni ted Water Idaho83676 subsidy then , in your opinion is it Idaho Power that I s creating the subsidy or is it the rates that are set by this Commission for Idaho Power that are creating the subsidy? My opinion would be it is the rates as set by the Commission that are creating the subsidy. Ul timately that creates the subsidy. Thank you.On page 6 of your testimony you make a recommendation that the Commission strongly consider - - yeah , United recommends the Commission strongly consider adopting Dr. Peseau I s approach addressing the subsidy that you ve described; is that right? Yes, it is. Do you believe that a regulatory commission can make a determination in a general revenue requirement proceeding, that a utility is entitled to earn additional revenue and then not fund that revenue by deferring the revenue for collection in rates at a later time? Deferring the revenue with a proper return on that deferral in my opinion doesn I t seriously harm the utility with a -- along with a systematic plan to deal with the subsidy. Let me follow up on that a little bit. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2293 HEALY (X-Reb) Uni ted Water Idaho83676 Assume for me that a utility constructs additional revenues to respond to a summer peak , some kind of a treatment plant or something to resolve - - respond to summer peak.Do you believe the Commission has the authority to defer that revenue that I s attributable to those additional facilities for collection and rates in future years? Well , my - - if I understand your question Mr. Kline, I would disagree with that.I would prefer that the investment be recognized and the revenues matched with that investment right away.However , 11 not sure I see the connection between the treatment Dr. Peseau has recommended and the case of a treatment plant or large facility. Well, I guess what I'm inquiring is what limitation is there on the Commission I s ability to defer revenues?Let I S suppose that a commission authorizes a revenue requirement for a piece of equipment that you were going to install.Instead of giving you the money in your rates to pursue that piece of equipment they defer it.You I re okay withCreate a regulatory asset. that? As a general rule I would not be okay with that.United Water participated and intervened in this case, obviously, in the interest of our customers CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2294 HEALY (X-Reb) United Water Idaho83676 noticing that the irrigation subsidy has lasted for many years and has not been addressed directly as has already been mentioned today at least four of the intervenors have put forth plans to address the subsidy systematically in one way or another , and Idaho Power or excuse me, United Water feels that Dr. Peseau ' s plan is reasonable.But if not Dr. Peseau I s plan several of the other approaches are reasonable as well in that some systematic approach to tighten up the customer classes towards their respective cost of service would be better than no systematic approach. Again , looking at the proposal Dr. Peseau has made and you recommend that the Commission consider, assuming that it would - - assuming that the Commission decided to defer the collection of revenues, what do you recommend are the carrying costs the utility should impose on this deferred amount? As I understand what Dr. Peseau has recommended, the rate of return. All right.And that I s your understanding of Dr. Peseau ' s testimony that he I s recommending that the utilities overall rate of return be allowed as the carrying charge for the deferred balance? That is my understanding. And you 'd agree with that? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2295 HEALY (X-Reb) United Water Idaho83676 I don I t have an issue with that. Would anything less than that be a good idea? I haven I t given that question great consideration.I would, in my position , I would advocate that the rate of return would be the correct rate to apply to the deferral. Mr. Healy, in reading your testimony and some of the testimony of some of the other parties here who are advocating some kind of a mechanism of various stripes to address the rate , the irrigation subsidy issue , I I m reminded of something.Do you recall in the last presidential election Al Gore I s lockbox? Well , what he was proposing was that there would be a lockbox in which social security or medicare or something, I wasn I t sure exactly what funds, these funds would be placed in a lockbox.And the reason for that was that you had to discipline the federal government.You couldn I t allow the federal government to exercise any discretion with these monies you just had to take away that discretion.And it certainly seems to me that these proposals that we're hearing sound like a lockbox that would take away the Commission I s discretion put some discipl ine on the Commission.Would you agree that that I s what you re trying to do with some of these CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2296 HEALY (X-Reb) Uni ted Water Idaho83676 proposal s? I wouldn I t characterize it that way. believe in the range of proposals that are out there to, quote unquote, systematically deal with the irrigators subsidy, that there is a large amount of room for discretion to be exercised by the Commission in how quickly they would - - they would design that subsidy to be eliminated. United Water s position would certainly be we would not - - we I re not advocating an extremely harsh treatment of one class of customers.In fact, several of the deferral proposals , I believe , begin with rate increases for the irrigators that are below Idaho Power I proposal.There are proposals that stretch five years, there are proposals that stretch ten years.I think the proposals provide a reasonable amount of discretion for the Commission to, should they adopt some type of systematic approach , to be sensitive in that approach to the needs of the irrigators.To give them time, like the schedule 19 and time-of-use issue, give them time to get used to the new rates, to assess the impact of the new rates, and perhaps change their practices to adapt to the new rates. MR. KLINE:That I S all the questions have. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2297 HEALY (X-Reb) Uni ted Water Idaho83676 COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Kline. Are there questions from the Commissioners?Nor I. Do we have redirect , Mr. Miller? MR. MILLER:Just I think one or two questions. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. MILLER: Mr. Healy, in your experience, particularly with your accounting background, is deferral accounting a necessarily difficult , or complex , or unusual accounting method with respect to utility account ing? In my experience, no.United Water has in fact currently a deferral going on of Idaho Power I S 2000 - - well , actually Idaho Power's PCA over and above what United Power was granted in our 2000 rate case as a way to keep United Water whole.The deferral accounting is not particularly difficult.I think that Idaho Power is certainly sophisticated enough to handle any accounting issues that arise as a result of a deferred revenue treatment. And just one other question to touch on CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2298 HEALY (Di-Reb) Uni ted Water Idaho83676 something that you mentioned.Is United Water supporting a proposal that is intended to cause harm to any other class? No.Idaho or United Water I s basic premise , I mean, we have - - we're going to end up here with a pie.And we I re talking about how the pie is allocated.Our interest is that the pie be allocated fairly.Our opinion is that the irrigation subsidy needs to be dealt with in a systematic but prudent way so as not to penalize a class of customers, but to deal with the subsidy issue in a very straightforward and systematic manner and make progress between now and Idaho Power I S next rate case, which as we know , may be several years away, may be ten years away. All right. MR. MILLER:Thank you, Madame Chairman. Those are all my questions.And I wonder in Mr. Healy could be excused finally? COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there I s no objection , we will thank Mr. Healy and -- wait a minute. Commissioner Hansen has a question. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2299 HEALY (Di-Reb) United Water Idaho83676 EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN: I I m sorry.I'd just like to know , with Uni ted Water , with your company do you have any problems properly allocating your cost of service for each class of customer though that have one inch lines, or half inch lines, or different sizes, do you feel like your company then allocates those properly to each class and there' no subsidy at all? I can honestly not say that.Idaho Power s cost of service is quite a bit more complicated than United Water'However, as you know , United Water has one rate structure that applies to all classes of customers.So at least up to this point in time we, the Commission , the Company, have not decided to distinguish between classes of customers and their usage characteristics. I would not be surprised if in an upcoming United Water cases those distinctions begin to be made. So I guess to answer your question, I would say probably right now United Water s allocation of costs is not perfect.Al though by its very nature it is an art not a science.But we have a ways to go and I expect we will move closer to some cost of service base for customers CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2300 HEAL Y ( Com - Reb) Uni ted Water Idaho83676 with different usage characteristics. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Healy, and you may be excused. (The witness left the stand. COMMISSIONER SMITH:We'll now go to Mr. Purdy's witness , Dr. Power. Thank you.MR. PURDY:AARP calls Dr. Thomas Michael Power. MR. BUDGE:Madame Chairman, I apologize for interrupting but while Dr. -- COMMISSIONER SMITH:Certainly, Mr. Budge. MR. BUDGE:Perhaps while Dr. Power is getting ready.I wonder, strictly for the record , if I might have a standing obj ection as a matter of courtesy to the rather general reference to irrigation subsidy which has become somewhat pervasive in this proceeding. I thought of making such an obj ection earlier and didn' but it's been repeated so extensively it's almost become gospel by repetition.And certainly the obj ection relates to the reference to that term outside of the context of the particular cost -of - service methodology being proposed. Certainly the Company and others propose cost -of - service methodologies that seem to indicate or create the existence of what has been characterized as an CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2301 COLLOQUY 83676 irrigation subsidy.But in the questioning, including some of my own , it becomes very general in the context of the rates established by Idaho Power Company.And, in fact, those rates have been established by tariffs approved by this Commission.And irrigators have paid those in full with no other contribution or subsidy. So to that extent there is no irrigation subsidy in our belief, and nor do we accept this cost -of - service methodology.But rather than get into ongoing obj ections to the proceedings, I think if the Commission would simply - - or the Chair would simply accommodate me and allow me to have a standing obj ection to that reference to an irrigation subsidy outside of the context of referring to a particular cost-of-service methodology it would somewhat alleviate my concerns. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Does any other party wish to be heard on this request? MR. PURDY:I do, Madame Chair. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Purdy. MR. PURDY:Solely for the reason that this obj ection is just now being made before Dr. Powers' testimony, if the Commission were to grant Mr. Budge' request and make it retroactive so it applies to all wi tnesses who have testified , and will testify, I think that would be fair.Aside from that I don I t oppose his CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2302 COLLOQUY 83676 obj ection. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Anyone else wish to be heard?Well I guess , Mr. Budge , our only surprise is we haven I t head from your earl ier.So we will note for the record that Mr. Budge had on obj ection from the beginning, and it continues with the use of the term irrigation subsidy outside the context of a particular cost allocation study or methodology. MR. BUDGE:Thank you, Madame Chair. Again , I apologize for any interruption to Dr. Power. THOMAS MI CHAEL POWER, produced as a witness at the instance of AARP, having been first duly sworn , was examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. PURDY: Would you please state and spell your name, Dr. Power? My name is Thomas Michael Power e-r. And what is your business address? Economics Department, Uni versi ty of Montana, Missoula , Montana, 29812.But I should add that CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho POWER (Di) AARP 2303 83676 m testifying here on behal f of AARP as an independent consultant not on behalf of the University of Montana. Thank you.And you have previously prefiled with this Commission, in this proceeding, direct testimony; is that right? Yes. And that testimony, is it fair to characterize it as 37 pages of direct with an additional Appendix A and B attached for a total of 59 pages? Yes. You put some of your testimony into appendices for convenience purposes? Yes. All right.You have exhibits;that right? I do not. All right.Do you have any correct ions any of the testimony whether it I S in the original portion or the appendix? Yes.There's several typographical errors that I don t think affect the meaning of the testimony. But on page 30 at line 17 there is a typographical error that is confusing.As it's stated now it says that the initial block should be 600 kilowatt hours.That should read 400 as is indicated on that page and the next two CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho POWER (Di) AARP 2304 83676 pages. So is it - - is that a philosophical change on your part or would you characteri ze it as a typo? No.It was just a typographical error that three or four of us didn't catch. All right.Aside from that, that typographical correction, if I were to ask you the same questions as contained in your prefiled direct testimony today, would your answers be the same? They woul d . All right. MR. PURDY:Madame Chair , with that correction , then I ask that the direct testimony of Dr. Power be spread upon the record as if read. COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there s no objection, it is so ordered. (The following prefiled direct testimony of Dr. Thomas Power is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2305 POWER (Di) AARP83676 1. Introduction and Summary Please identify yourself for the record. My name is Thomas Michael Power. I am Professor of Economics and Chairman of the Economics Department at the University of Montana, Missoula, Montana, 59812. Have you testified as an expert witness before this and other commissions in the past? Yes. I have testified before this Commission on numerous occasions since 1978 including testimony in the last Idaho Power Company general rate case. I have attached Appendix B to this testimony that discusses my professional experience and expertise. What topics will your testimony cover? I will focus on those aspects of IPC' s cost of service study and its proposed rate design that inappropriately burden the residential class and conflict with good public energy policy. Could you please summarize your conclusions on IPC cost of service and rate design? Yes. Let me simply list the conclusions supported by the body of my testimony here: One of the basic principles guiding IPC' s rate design is the assumed need to collect fixed costs by levying fixed charges. Neither business nor economic principles support such a strategy.Businesses regularly 2306 Power: Direct P. 1 AARP and appropriately collect fixed costs on the basis of customers I use of the services those businesses provide. 2307 Power: Direct P. la AARP ii. Collecting fixed costs in fixed charges conflicts with the cost of service principles this Commission has used for decades. That "principle" would lead all of the capital costs associated with hydroelectric generation and base-load generation to be collected in either demand charges or customer charges. iii.Utilities tend to favor high fixed charges not because of any economic principle but because of their private interests: Such charges stabilize their cash flow in the face of loads that fluctuate with weather. Such charges also allow the reduction of usage charges and allow a variety of promotional pricing policies for the most price sensitive customers. iv.IPC seeks to classify over 36 percent of the costs of distribution system lines and transformers as "customer costs." Customer costs are costs that vary wi th the number of customers , but IPC makes no effort to demonstrate that these distribution costs vary in this way. The allocation of significant part the distribution system costs on a per customer basis and the remainder on the basis peak demand effectively charges small users twice for the use of the distribution system. Because the " customer component" can handle 85 percent of the average residential customer's load, a substantial 2308 Power: Direct P. 2 AARP additional allocation on the basis of residential load is inappropriate. Adjustments to solve this double-charge problem effectively lead back to a pure demand allocator. vi.IPC's assertion that the proposed $10 per month customer charge is modest compared to the $25 per month charge the cost of service analysis indicates is appropriate is based on an error. In calculating the $25 charge IPC divides all 2309 Power: Direct P. 2a AARP distribution costs by the number of customers even though IPC itself classifies most of them as demand costs. vii.IPC's "collect fixed costs in fixed charges" principle could justify a monthly customer charge close to $50 and an energy charge of 1.2 cents per kwh.That would be an irrational outcome when IPC is currently facing full marginal costs expressed in kwh terms of 9 cents during the summer. viii.The distribution system does not only provide peak hour services. It also provides a variety of valuable services to customers throughout the year. The fact that these services are not peak-load-related does not mean by default that they are customer-related. xi.IPC I s cost of service analysis shows that the rates paid by the irrigation class are so low compared to irrigation class costs that a huge revenue deficit exists. About 40 percent of the rate increase IPC proposes for the residential class is associated with the residential class paying part of the irrigation class' costs. This led IPC to raise the rate increase to the residential class from 13 to 19 percent. This large irrigation revenue gap has existed for at least 20 years. I recommend that the Commission find a way to assure that it is systematically closed over a reasonable time period and not allowed to burden other customers for another 20 2310 Power: Direct P. 3 AARP years. Rate design should focus on getting price signals correct. Given the high and rising marginal and incremental costs associated with providing electrical service, this means that rate design should focus on the usage charges, not the fixed monthly charges. xi.IPC I S proposal to introduce seasonal and time-of-use rates can 2311 Power: Direct P. 3a AARP improve the accuracy of the usage charges that customers face. For demand-metered customers, better balancing demand and energy charges to reflect relative peak capacity and energy costs is also appropriate. xii.IPC is incorrect in assuming that because the residential class is not demand metered, demand costs cannot be conveyed to residential customers and might as well be collected in the fixed monthly charge. There is a high correlation between energy usage and peak demand. For that reason , high energy charges can effectively convey the high costs of peak usage. Higher summer kWh charges for theXlll. residential customers are not the only or necessarily the best way to convey the higher costs of peak load use. Residential peak loads come in the winter when IPC' s marginal costs are also high. The proposed summer rates do nothing to confront customers with the costs associated with winter peak usage. xiv.A block rate structure that provides an ini tial block of electricity at a low rate and then charges a higher rate for all usage in excess of that initial block is also a seasonal rate in the sense that during high consumption seasons, summer and winter , more of the load moves into the higher tail-block and is billed at the higher rate. 2312 Power: Direct P. 4 AARP xv.Such a blocked rate design combined with a low monthly customer charge would benefit the vast maj ori ty of residential customers compared to IPC I proposed rate design.It is also likely to protect households with relatively lower levels of consumption including those on low and fixed incomes. 2313 Power: Direct P. 4a AARP The Allocation of Fixed Costs on a Per Customer Basis IPC witness John Gale has indicated that IPC I cost-based approach" to rate design "has led to rate design proposals that better align fixed costs with fixed prices and variable costs with variable prices.(Page 13 at Is there any economic principle that indicates that fixed costs should be collected in fixed charges? A. Absolutely not.All businesses have fixed costs. Most businesses do not try to cover those fixed costs with fixed charges. Consider large retail stores and shopping centers. They have to provide extensive parking, floor space, and personnel to handle peak demands for their services. Those stores could charge a parking fee and an entry fee to each customer and could charge higher fees on peak days and peak hours. But almost none do that, quite the opposite. Often when you have to pay to park in private parking facilities, the stores will pay your parking costs for you as long as you make almost any purchase. They certainly do not charge entry fees to their stores. They include those fixed costs in the charges they make to customers and those charges tend to be proportional to the purchases that the customers make. Very few businesses collect their fixed costs 2314 Power: Direct P. 5 AARP through fixed charges unrelated to usage. Competitive markets, in general , simply do not allow them to do that. Instead, businesses have to collect their fixed costs in usage-related charges. This is not a sign of market failure or inefficiency. How does IPC use the fixed costs should be collected through fixed charges " principle in this case? 2315 Power: Direct P. 5a AARP As Mr. Gale says: "The emphasis on moving fixed and variable prices to be more reflective of fixed and variable costs led to the Company s proposals to increase the monthly service charge for residential and small general service customers.(Page 13 at It was IPC' s application of this incorrect principle " that led to its proposed quadrupling of the monthly customer charge for residential customers. Do utilities have a history of favoring the type of fixed charges competitive firms rarely can impose? Yes. In the past, electric utili ties have tended to favor classifying as many of their costs as possible as "capacity" or "customer" costs. They have pursued the type of "fixed-variable " division of costs Mr. Gale proposes in this case, where energy costs are defined as those that vary with usage in the short run and all other costs are either capacity or customer costs. This approach has two advantages from the utility's perspective. First, it allows the utility to seek to recover as large a part of its costs as possible in relatively fixed and reliable charges. This stabilizes utility revenues. Second , it allows the utility to pursue a variety of promotional ventures. With low estimates of marginal energy costs , the utility can justify very low 2316 Power: Direct P. 6 AARP rates to customers who expand their energy usage while burdening those customers whose use is less flexible with high charges. The point is that utilities might have a private interest in distorting cost analysis in a particular direction, towards low energy charges and high fixed charges. Regulators need to be vigilant in resisting this tendency when it conflicts with the public interest. Has this Commission resisted efforts to collect all fixed costs as demand 2317 Power: Direct P. 6a AARP or customer charges? Yes. That is clear in the cost of service approach that this Commission has approved for use by Although most of the costs associated withIPC. hydroelectric and coal-fired generation are fixed , this Commission has not approved the collection of all of those fixed costs on the basis of class contribution to the annual coincident peak load. Instead this Commission has recognized that many of the fixed costs associated with generation are incurred in order to produce energy. Burning coal in the open or letting water run downstream does not generate electric energy. Huge amounts of capital must be used to transform that natural energy into useful electric energy. That is the reason that the system load factor is used to classify the majority of the fixed costs associated with generation as energy costs, not capacity costs. This Commission has also rej ected the use of class contributions to a single annual peak as the basis for allocating the fixed costs that are classified as capacity costs. Rather than loads at a single hour on a single day dictating the allocation of capacity costs , a weighted average of the twelve monthly coincident peaks is used. In addition , for most customers, it is the peak usage during each month that determines the demand 2318 Power: Direct P. 7 AARP charges that are due, not peak usage at one hour during the year.Both of these decisions by the Commission turn the demand allocation and charges into a type of usage charge as opposed to a fixed charge. Mr. Gale appears to characterize demand charges as fixed charges. Is this a correct description of demand charges? Mr. Gale explains the proposed quadrupling of the residential monthly customer charge in the following way: "Since (residential) customers are not demand 2319 Power: Direct P. 7a AARP metered, the service charge is the only fixed rate component available to adj ust and thus becomes more important as a tool for fixed cost recovery.(Page 13 at 13 ) This is a doubly confusing assertion.Demand charges are a usage-related charge; they are tied to a customer I S peak usage during a particular time period. Like energy charges, demand charges are tied to the customer's pattern of use. Second, simply because a customer is not demand metered, it does not mean that the only appropriate way to collect peak demand costs is through a per customer charge. Such an approach has no cost-based logic to it. Customer costs are costs that vary primarily with the number of customers served. Stated differently, they are costs that could be avoided if a customer ceased taking service.That is the cost causal principle behind customer costs. That definition is parallel to energy costs that focus on the costs associated with expanding the energy producing capacity of the system or demand costs that focus on expanding the capacity of the system to meet peak loads. If demand costs cannot be billed directly to residential customers because demand meters are not cost-effective for loads that small , there is no logic to 2320 Power: Direct P. 8 AARP concluding that the obvious way to collect those demand costs is through a customer charge.To the extent that residential peak usage tends to track residential energy usage, collecting those charges through the energy charge might be quite appropriate from a cost casual point of view. You seem to be implying that IPC is proposing to collect demand costs through a customer charge.IPC says that it is seeking to collect distribution costs that are not demand-related through a fixed monthly service charge.Aren t you misstating 2321 Power: Direct P. 8a AARP IPC's position? I don t think so. Ms. Brilz in her cost of service study calculates a monthly " customer service charge" of almost $25. That calculation explicitly invol ves collecting all distribution demand charges on a per customer basis.(Exhibit 38, 39, 41 , 42, Excel spread sheet at K3 0 0) It is this high "monthly service charge" figure that both she and Mr. Gale cite as indicating that the proposed increase in the monthly charge from $2.51 to $10 is just the first step in closing a huge gap between fixed costs and fixed charges.As Ms. Brilz says in justifying the quadrupling of the customer charge: "The $10.00 Service Charge represents approximately 40 percent of the cost-of-service result on $24.61 shown at line 300 on page 1 of Exhibit No. 42.(Page 36 at It is important to understand that the $24.61 is not a cost of service result. It explicitly takes costs that even IPC classifies as demand-related and collects them as a customer cost. Has IPC' s "fixed costs should be collected through fixed monthly charges" principle been applied correctly in IPC' s calculation of a $25 monthly customer charge? No. Inexplicably, IPC has under calculated the monthly customer charge that this "principle" calls for. 2322 Power: Direct P. 9 AARP Although IPC divided all distribution demand-related costs by the number of customers, it failed to do the same to the fixed demand related costs associated with electric production and transmission. Since these, too, are fixed costs that cannot be collected through a demand charge from residential customers, the logic of the $25 calculation would demand that production and transmission demand charges also be collected in this fashion.Mr. Brilz I s Exhibit No. 42 suggest that doing so would add another $13.50 per month to the monthly charge, bringing it to over $38 per month. 2323 Power: Direct P. 9a AARP There is no more logic to collecting distribution demand-related costs in a monthly customer charge than there is to collecting production and transmission demand-related costs in this manner. A $38 per month fixed charge is not the limit of what one could calculate.IPC faces significant overhead costs that are difficult to associate with customer usage. All of them could be treated as "fixed overhead Then there are the fixed costs of productioncosts. " that this Commission has characterized as energy-related. Those fixed costs also could be collected on a per customer basis.Under IPC' s "principles," the only costs that are clearly legitimate to collect in the residential kWh usage charge are the variable fuel and purchased energy costs. These represent about a fifth of the total residential revenue requirement.Such a "principled" approach would lead to a monthly customer charge of about $50 and a kWh charge of cents. This may sound like a gross exaggeration , but some utilities that have stayed focused on revenue stability and the promotion of electric usage have implemented rate designs that are not far removed from this model. What are your obj ections to basing residential and small commercial electric rates on a fixed-variable cost approach? 2324 Power: Direct P. 10 AARP Such an approach has no economic logic to it since it ignores cost causality and focuses merely on whether a cost is fixed or varies in the short term with usage. The reason that the fixed costs were incurred in the first place simply gets ignored. Such an approach is not a cost of service approach since cost causality is largely ignored. From an energy policy point of view, unless one believes that the long run 2325 Power: Direct P. 10a AARP incremental cost electric energy and will remain very low such priclng policy will give grossly distorted price signals.Since some the maj or costs associated with producing electric energy are the fixed investment costs associated with the generating facili ties, focusing only on the variable costs can be very misleading. Hydroelectric , base load thermal-electric, wind-electric , etc. have very low or zero fuel costs, but that does not mean that they produce electricity at near zero economic cost. Cost allocations and rate design that seriously distort price signals and encourage inefficient consumption behavior are very costly in the longer term. Do IPC I S estimates of the incremental costs of electricity suggest that additional electric supplies will be available in the future at very low cost? No. The marginal cost study that IPC prepared for this rate case estimates total marginal energy, capaci ty, and transmission costs for the summer months in the 8.7 to 9.2 cents per kwh range and 6.3 - 6.6 cent range for the peak winter months.(I have used monthly system load factors to convert the monthly generation and transmission marginal capacity costs to a kWh basis. (IPC Response to Idaho Irrigation Pumpers Association Second production Request, No. 30. 2326 Power: Direct P. 11 AARP IPC I s 2002 Integrated Resource Plan and the preliminary figures being developed for the 2004 Integrated Resource Plan both indicate future incremental costs of supply in the 4 to 8 cent per kWh range on a levelized, life-cycle cost basis. Depending on the fuel source, fuel costs would represent a quarter to two-thirds of those costs.(2002 IRP, Tables 11 and 12; 2004 IRP Advisory Council December 18 , 2003 presentation pp. 66-67. Does IPC recognize that the incremental costs of serving its customers in 2327 Power: Direct P. lla AARP the present and in the future will exceed the embedded costs? Yes. IPC President and CEO, J. Lamont Keen, in his prefiled direct testimony said: "Clearly, growth has not paid for itself. The incremental costs of adding, operating, and maintaining generation, transmission and distribution plant are greater than the embedded costs associated with generation , transmission and distribution plant that have been the basis of Company rates over the last ten years.(Page 16 at 16) In this setting, it is important to find ways of signaling to customers the higher incremental costs associated with providing them with the electric services they seek. Those price signals need to take a form to which customers can respond by modifying their electricity usage behavior. IPC' s proposals for seasonal and time-of -use rates move in this direction. Efforts to increase fixed monthly charges that customers can do nothing to avoid while at the same time reducing usage charges are a move in the wrong direction. 3. The Calculation of a "Customer Portion" of the Distribution System IPC has calculated that 36.25 percent of the costs of distribution lines and transformers are 2328 Power: Direct P. 12 AARP customer-related" and should be allocated on the basis of the number of customers being served.What data does IPC provide to indicate that these are customer-related costs? None.IPC does not even attempt to make such an argument. Instead it again makes a type of "fixed-variable" argument.IPC estimates what the minimal load is that is always on its system. It does this by analyzing its load duration curve. It labels 2329 Power: Direct P. 12a AARP this minimal load that is always present its fixed" load. It compares this to its peak load and labels the difference its "variable" load.The minimal load is 36.25 percent of the peak load and therefore IPC concludes, 36.25 percent of the distribution lines and transformers should be labeled " customer costs " and allocated on a per customer basis.(Bril z page 9 at 18; Brilz Work Papers, pages 10-11) Because it has been able to label this level of demand as "fixed," IPC seems to believe that the costs associated with it are not demand-related.It is hard to follow the logic here. In the short run all of the distribution costs are "fixed," not just this portion. In addition, if the load were constant at what is now 36.25% of peak level , distribution lines and transformers would still have to be sized to meet that load and put in place at considerable cost. This portion of distribution system is no different than any other portion of the distribution system. Both are designed to deliver electrici ty to customers. Why do you not find this approach to defining a customer component" of the distribution system convincing? The analysis has nothing to do with analyzing the part of distribution system costs that vary directly 2330 Power: Direct P. 13 AARP with the number of customers. A causal connection with the number of customers is never explored. This approach would also lead to over a third of the costs associated with generation and transmission to be classified as IPC used its load duration curve tocustomer costs. identify the minimum load regularly put on its system. IPC needs only 36.25 percent of its total electric capaci ty to meet those loads. IPC uses only 36.25 percent of its transmission capacity to meet those loads. In that sense 36.25 percent of IPC's generation and transmission capacity are also "fixed." That, following IPC's logic, would justify allocating those costs on a per 2331 Power: Direct P. 13a AARP customer basis. In general, all investments that serve IPC's base load would be classified as customer costs if this approach were taken. Is this IPC approach to identifying a "customer component" of the distribution costs a variation of a minimum system" approach to distribution costs? IPC may have something like that in mind, but it has not provided any evidence that it has conducted such an analysis.That is not how the 36.25 percent figure was calculated. Just as important, 36.25 percent is not a "minimum distribution system.The entire residential class is the source of only 35.8 percent of the load on the distribution system. In that sense, this customer component II of the distribution system could serve the entire residential load. 36.25 percent of total load represents over 1 400 megawatts of capacity. Some utilities are no larger than this. Are there other conceptual problems with the way IPC has applied this "demand-customer " division of distribution costs? IPC I S approach places an unreasonableYes. double cost burden on those classes of customers whose loads are relatively small. Please explain the double cost burden that customer component" of distribution costs causesIPC' 2332 Power: Direct P. 14 AARP for smaller customers. The 36.25 percent of the distribution system that IPC labels customer-related is obviously capable of serving a substantial part of average distribution load. For customers with relatively light loads, that part of the distribution system is capable of serving almost their entire load. The average load per customer across all classes at the primary system level is 7.4 kW.IPC I S "minimum system " is capable of serving 36.25 percent of that load 2333 Power: Direct P. 14a AARP 67 kW. But the average residential load is only 3. kW.(at theFor that reason, IPC I S "minimum system" primary level) can serve 84.5 percent of residential customers I loads. For non-residential customers, the average load is 29 kW.IPC's "minimum system " is capable of serving only 9 percent of those loads. The double charging of residential customers comes from this difference in the share of class loads the minimum system " is capable of carrying.When I allocates responsibility for the "non-customer" component of the distribution system on the basis of demand (63. percent of the system costs), IPC does not take into account the part of each class's load that is already being met by the minimum system. Even though only 15. percent of the residential customers ' loads still need to be served by the primary distribution system but 91 percent of the other customers' loads still have to be served, IPC implicitly assumes that an equal percentage of all classes I loads remain to be served. As a result, the residential customers are asked to pay for the distribution system serving their "minimum loads" again. This leads residential customers to be double charged for the loads served by the "minimum system " a completely unacceptable result. Is this a widely recognized problem with the 2334 Power: Direct P. 15 AARP approach that IPC has taken? The NARUC "Electric Utility CostYes. Allocation Manual" that IPC cites as its guide specifically warns about this problem: "Cost analysts disagree on how much of the demand costs should be allocated to customers when the minimum-size distribution method is used to classify distribution plant. When using this distribution method, the analyst must be aware that the minimum-size distribution equipment has a certain load-carrying capability, which can 2335 Power: Direct P. 15a AARP be viewed as a demand-related cost. "When allocating distribution costs determined by the minimum-size method, some cost analysts will argue that some customer classes can receive a disproportionate share of demand costs. Their rationale is that customers are allocated a share of distribution costs classified as demand- related. Then those customers receive a second layer of demand costs that have been mislabeled customer costs because the minimum-size method was used to classify those costs.(Page 95) Can this double charging of customer classes with small average loads be avoided? Yes. What needs to be done to avoid this double assignment is to subtract from the distribution demand allocation that part of the load that can be served by the minimum distribution system. This would substantially reduce the distribution peak load allocator for the residential class.In fact, given that IPC calculated its "minimum system " as a percentage of total load, it would carry the allocation back to what one would get if a purely demand-based allocation had been used in the first place. That is, accounting for the load the minimum system is capable of carrying would make IPC I S approach pointless.The correct way to allocate distribution system costs is simply to use the demand allocator. 2336 Power: Direct P. 16 AARP But is it not true that some of the distribution costs do not vary directly with the level of demand and therefore are not really demand-related costs? Yes and no.The distribution system , like the entire electrical system, is capital intensive and therefore involves large amounts of fixed costs. But fixed costs are not customer costs.Those fixed costs are incurred in the pursuit of a broad variety of 2337 Power: Direct P. 16a AARP obj ecti ves and the amount of fixed costs incurred vary due to a wide variety of circumstances. It is true that the current peak loads on the distribution system do not explain all of the costs associated with the current system. In that sense, one could argue that some of those costs do not vary primarily with current peak loads. If current peak loads do not explain some of the costs of an electric distribution system, what other design criteria help explain those costs? Among the most important are the following: The location and density of customers. The topography, geology, and character of surface occupation. The desire to have a resilient and stable system that can continue to provide service under a variety of possible contingencies. The economies of scale at the time the distribution system is built or upgraded. The expectation that profits can be earned on volumes of electricity sold to the customer. How does the location and density of customers affect the costs of the distribution system? The closer the customers are located to the company s transmission system, the lower are the distribution costs. The more densely settled the 2338 Power: Direct P. 17 AARP customers are, the lower the costs since poles and transformers can be more intensely utilized and few miles of line have to be strung. What role does topography, pat terns of surface occupancy, and geological conditions play in determining the costs of the distribution system? 2339 Power: Direct P. 17a AARP It is cheapest to set poles and string conductors on flat, unoccupied terrain with firm but easily excavated under-surface materials. When the area is already densely settled and used, the cost of building lines rises. When there are many river or stream crossings or steep changes in topography, the costs will also be higher. When the poles or underground cable has to be set in bedrock or unstable material, the costs are going to be higher. How does the pursuit of a resilient and stable distribution system affect the costs of the distribution system? Distribution systems in densely settled areas are planned so that the loss of one particular line to a particular area or unusual load conditions do result in customers losing service or the quality of service declining. In densely settled areas the utility seeks to construct a network with sufficient reserve capacity so that it can meet a variety of potential contingencies. This increases the quality and reliability of service. These are valuable attributes of electric service that can be obtained only through larger distribution system investments. These are also services that are provided to customers throughout the year , not just at time of system peak. 2340 Power: Direct P. 18 AARP How does the existence of maj or economies of scale in the capacity of a distribution system at the time it is constructed or upgraded affect the relationship between current peak load and costs? Because additional increments of capacity can be had at very low incremental costs, excess capacity is regularly built into the distribution system. The carrying costs of that excess capacity are lower than frequent upgrades. As a result, there often is not a close relationship between current loads, the capacity of the system, 2341 Power: Direct P. 18a AARP and the costs that system. Why did you mention above the fact that the pursui t of profitable volumes sales may lead the utility to incur additional distribution system costs? Because that is in fact the over-riding "design " criteria. The distribution system is extended and the costs associated with that extension are incurred in the pursuit of profitable sales. That is the causal force driving the utility to take on those costs. What is the point of listing all of these determinants of distribution costs? To underline the fact that it is not just one design criteria, e.g. meeting the peak hour load, that determines distribution system costs. There are many other determinants that have little or nothing to do with peak hour loads. In that sense IPC is correct: One cannot show that all of these costs are tied only to peak demand. IPC is also correct that many of these costs are incurred simply in order to stand ready to serve customers throughout the year. From that, however, IPC jumps to the false conclusion that a substantial portion of these costs is "customer costs.We know that that not the case. Even IPC does not attempt to show that these costs vary with the number of customers. Knowing that the costs of the distribution system were incurred 2342 Power: Direct P. 19 AARP so that customers can receive energy and meet their peak loads throughout the year simply points out that these investments were made to sell customers electricity and the costs associated with serving this market should be met, as most other businesses meet them, through usage charges, not per customer charges. Has the Commission in the past commented on the conceptual weakness of IPC' s efforts to categorize a significant part of the distribution system as "customer 2343 Power: Direct P. 19a AARP costs" ? Yes, 17 years ago in the 1987 IPC general rate case (U-I006-265A) , the Commission's order (Order No. 1984) commented as follows: ... (T) he parties attempted to break down distribution-related costs into demand-related, energy-related and customer- related costs._. The division of costs into these three components is weakest and least relevant for distribution plant.Simply put, distribution-related costs do not neatly fall into any of these categories to the exclusion of the others. Formulas and conventions separating them are nothing more than that--formulas and conventions.The W12CPs reasonably partition these costs among the customer classes even though their attempt to force costs into demand-related, energy-related or customer-related components is largely meaningless.(Section II9B) (3) . IPC's efforts to describe over 36 percent of the distribution system costs as "customer costs" are still "largely meaningless. What is your recommendation on the allocation of distribution costs? Ideally, they should be allocated on the basis of a mix of energy and demand. As a practical matter they can be appropriately allocated on a demand basis. IPC' s 2344 Power: Direct P. 20 AARP per customer allocation of a significant part of the costs of the distribution system should be rej ected. Following the logic in your discussion above of the allocation of the costs associated with the distribution system, could not the same argument be made for the allocation of transmission costs on the basis of a mix of energy and demand? Absolutely.In the last two IPC general rate case I have made exactly that argument. I still feel that a careful analysis of the cost-causal logic those costs provides 2345 Power: Direct P. 2 AARP a strong technical justification for allocating transmission in a manner similar to the current allocation of production plant.Appendix A to this testimony presents that analysis again. Why have you put that material to an Appendix? Al though I still find that analysis technically correct, this Commission has not found it persuasive in previous rate cases. In order to focus on other issues of importance to residential customers, I have chosen not to emphasize transmission allocation. Why then did you include Appendix A at all? As I say at the beginning of Appendix A, I expect other parties to be trying to persuade the Commission to change the cost of service allocations in ways that may burden residential customers. The point of the Appendix is to remind the Commission that persuasive arguments can be made to shift allocations in a direction that would be more beneficial to residential customers. 4. The Burden of the Irrigation Class on Other Customers What is your concern about the way in which IPC proposes to handle the revenue deficiency associated with the irrigation class? IPC I s cost of service analysis indicates that the irrigation class should face a $40.5 million increase 2346 Power: Direct P. 21 AARP in rates. Almost 50 percent of the $85.6 million total rate increase that IPC seeks should be coming from the irrigation class.IPC, however , proposes to collect only $15.million of their $40.5 million revenue deficiency from the irrigators. The rest of the increase the cost of service study indicates should come from 2347 Power: Direct P. 21a AARP that class would come, instead, from other customers. How would this affect the residential class? About half of the irrigation revenue deficiency that is not collected from the irrigation class would be collected from the residential class, an additional $12. million.This $12.1 million increase to residential customers associated with the irrigation class I s revenue deficiency would be on top of the $28.7 million increase IPC's cost of service study indicates is due from the residential class. Thus, IPC I S proposed revenue spread boosts the rate increase to residential customers by over 42 percent.Instead of facing a 13.5 percent rate increase, residential customers would face a 19 percent increase. This appears to be a particularly extreme additional burden to put on residential customers. Is this a new problem with respect to the irrigation class? No.Twenty years ago, in 1982 , IPC' s cost of service study indicated that irrigation rates should have been increased 60 percent or $25 million. In 2003 dollars this would be a $47.75 million increase.The current IPC cost of service study indicates that gap is still $40. million and that a 67.1 percent increase is still required. 2348 Power: Direct P. 22 AARP In 1982 IPC was seeking a larger system increase (26.3 percent) than it is seeking in the current rate case (17.7 percent) If the irrigation deficit is expressed in terms of the increase required over and above the system-wide increase sought, the deficiency gap has grown from 47.5 to 57 percent of irrigation rates. It would appear that some fairly dramatic steps need to be taken to systematically close this very large gap. If only a small step is taken and IPC does not come back in with another general rate case for ten years, this substantial burden on 2349 Power: Direct P. 22a AARP residential and other customers could continue for another 20 years. Do you believe that the cost of service analysis should be used mechanically to determine each class s revenue requirements? Certainly not.I agree with this Commission long-standing position that cost of service analysis is just the starting point for determining class revenue requirements. Reflecting cost responsibility is one important objective in rate design, but customer impact and rate stability are also important considerations. However , this Commission has usually tried to move systematically to close very large revenue deficiencies rather than let them continue or grow. My concern is with the size of the burden on residential customers and the likelihood that it could continue indefinitely. Can the burden being carried by residential and other customers associated with the low rates irrigators pay be justified in economic development terms? By keeping irrigation rates low , is the agricultural sector stimulated and the rest of the economy encouraged to expand, benefiting all workers and businesses? No. Cross-subsidization of one type of business by all residences and other businesses cannot have that sort of effect."Robbing Peter to pay Paul" is not a 2350 Power: Direct P. 23 AARP viable economic development strategy. Shifting purchasing power from residential customers to irrigators reduces the expenditures the households can make in local businesses, depressing the local economy. In addition, all other businesses are burdened by higher costs so that one type of business, the irrigators, can have lower costs. That discourages business expansion across the board, depressing the economy, not stimulating it. But in rural areas, where irrigated agriculture is a more dominant part of 2351 Power: Direct P. 23a AARP the local economy, don't lower irrigation costs stimulate the local economy? That is unlikely. "Rural" no longer means agricultural." Most rural residents are not irrigators. Most rural businesses are not irrigated farms. The rural economy lS increasingly diverse and non-agricultural. The economic connection between the rural economy and agricul ture has increasingly reversed so that the di versi ty in the non-agricultural local economy, including the urban economies within commuting distance, supports farm families rather than the other way around. Farm and ranch families increasingly supplement their household income and stay engaged in agriculture by taking jobs in the non-agricultural sectors of the surrounding economy. In that sense, promoting the non-agricultural economy is crucial to the survival of family farms and ranches. Is it likely that the problem of the revenue deficiency of the irrigation class will solve itself over time? The relative importance of the summer peakNo. seems very likely to continue to grow on IPC' s system. IPC has emphasized in its testimony, serving this growing peak summer load is going to require large investments in production, transmission, and distribution that are 2352 Power: Direct P. 24 AARP focused on the summer load. As IPC has pointed out, the incremental costs are going to be larger than the embedded costs as gas-fired peaking units are used to supplement the relatively inexpensive hydroelectric power and base-load coal-fired generation.Market prices of electricity at time of peak summer demand are also likely to be high since the region to the south and west is also summer-peaking.When the costs associated with upgrading generation , transmission , and distribution to continue to meet the summer peak are added to future cost of service 2353 Power: Direct P. 24a AARP analyses, the cost assignments to the irrigation class are certain to continue to rise. What do you recommend the Commission do about the irrigation class revenue deficiency? Since I do not know what this Commission will determine the ultimate IPC system-wide revenue deficiency is, let me phrase the revenue deficiency in terms of the gap relative to the overall system deficiency. That gap is 42 percent.IPC proposes a 25 percent rate increase for the irrigation class. That would be a 6.2 percent increase relative to the overall increase. If IPC has general rate cases every five years , as opposed to the 10 years since the last general rate case , it would take 35 years to close the gap. That would be a much faster rate of closure than the zero closure over the last 20 years. But such a rate of closure would burden all other customers and the south Idaho economy for a third of a century. I do not believe that is reasonable. I would propose that the tariff approved in this case set an irrigation rate that adjusts upward annually over the next five years.Since any pragmatic person would have to admit that cost of service analyses have a wide range of uncertainty and error associated with them let us assume that IPC I s cost of service study is accurate to only within plus or minus 33%.That would 2354 Power: Direct P. 25 AARP suggest that we could only be confident that the irrigation class revenue increase over and above the system increase should be between somewhere in the 28 to 56 percent range. If we choose the lower bound to be conservati ve, the increase to irrigators over and above whatever the overall increase is should ultimately be 28 percent. IPC proposes to increase irrigators' rates 6. percent on top of the system-wide increase. That would leave a 20.5 percent deficit if the target is an ultimate 28 percent increase for irrigators. 2355 Power: Direct P. 25a AARP If the tariff indicated an irrigation rate that increased 4 percent each year over the next five years and was accompanied by an accounting order that allowed these increased revenues to accumulate and be returned to all other classes of customers at the time of the annual power cost adj ustment, the gap in irrigation rates could be systematically closed in a reasonable period of time. The point is to find a way to systematically close a significant part of this gap in a way that is neither sudden nor disruptive but assures that a good part of it is closed in the near future. III. Rate Design Issues IPC's objectives in this case for the residential class is to move more of the costs to the customer charge and keep the only usage charge the residential customers face, the kilowatt hour charge, relatively low. Does that make sense from the point of view of public energy policy? No. As IPC's President and Chief Executive Officer has pointed out, incremental costs exceed embedded costs on the IPC system and with ongoing growth that is driving costs and rates upward. In that setting, rather than scaling back the rates that can encourage 2356 Power: Direct P. 26 AARP consumers to modify their electricity usage patterns , it is more important than ever to accurately convey to customers the costs associated with their electricity use in a way that encourages them to modify that usage. The point is not to penalize unavoidable electricity use but to provide an economic incentive that encourages electricity users to look for cost effective ways of 2357 Power: Direct P. 26a AARP reducing their usage , thus helping their families and IPC to avoid the high and rising incremental costs. In what way is shifting more of IPC' s costs to fixed monthly charges incompatible with improving price signals? Shifting more costs to fixed monthly charges is appropriate only if one thinks that current usage charges are too high and are irrationally discouraging the use of electrici ty. I f one were to bel ieve that encouraging increased electricity use is good public policy, then it would be appropriate to adopt IPC I S rate design proposals since IPC explicitly does propose changing rate design so that energy charges can be kept lower. Aren t you distorting what IPC is proposing? IPC is shifting costs to fixed monthly charges for the residential and small commercial class only because, as it says, there is no other way to collect these fixed costs. IPC is mistaken in that assertion. As discussed above , there is no principle whatsoever , either economic or business , that says that fixed costs should be collected in fixed charges. It is true that residential and small commercial customers are not demand-metered because such meters at this point are not cost effective. But that does not mean that usage-related costs such as 2358 Power: Direct P. 27 AARP demand costs cannot be conveyed to them. There is a high correlation between peak demand and energy usage.As one of these moves up or down , the other tends to follow.The correlation , of course, is not perfect, but it is high.For instance, the correlation between the highest monthly coincident peak and average load on the IPC system over the last 12 years has been 70 percent.(IPC Response to AARP Request 14) More relevant to the residential class, 2359 Power: Direct P. 27a AARP for the test year the correlation between monthly coincident demands and energy usage was 81 percent. This high correlation between energy use and peak demand indicates that IPC is not helpless in conveying to customers the costs associated with peak demands. Conveying the information through high energy charges at the time of peak demand can be effective.That certainly would be more effective than reducing usage charges while boosting charges that are unrelated to usage. The latter strategy can do absolutely nothing to convey information about the high costs of peak demand use; it can only undermine the communication of that crucial information. Do you support IPC I S proposals to increase demand charges to better reflect the costs associated with peak demand? Yes. For those customers that are demand metered , adjusting demand and energy charges to better reflect the relative importance of those two types of usage makes sense. Do you support IPC' s proposals to make use of seasonal and time -of -use pricing? Yes. That is one way to convey crucial information about how the costs associated with electrical use varies over the day and over the year. Is the type of rate design that IPC proposes 2360 Power: Direct P. 28 AARP for the residential class the only way to convey information about the high marginal costs associated with electricity use? No. As pointed out above , IPC's proposal to increase the fixed monthly customer charge actually tends to reduce usage charges and thus encourage electric 2361 Power: Direct P. 28a AARP usage. IPC has said that that is a conscious part of its rate design. From a public policy point of view that makes no sense. Even IPC' s proposed seasonal rates for residential customers are problematic.Residential loads peak during the winter. The residential peak load during the summer is 16 percent below its winter peak and the energy usage in the peak summer month is 30 percent below the highest winter month usage. Not surprising, marginal supply costs are high not only during the summer but also during the winter. Two of the winter months (along with three of the summer months) are part of the Weighted 12 Coincident Peak. Marginal energy costs are as high or higher in December and January as they are in June, one of the peak summer months. IPC's proposals for seasonal rates ignore the impact of winter peak loads. Combined with the impact of shifts in costs to fixed customer chargers, energy rates during the winter peak periods are reduced in relative terms. Encouraging electricity use during an important peak period by setting the rates low is not a good idea. Is IPC actually proposing to lower residential winter rates? That will depend on the overall rate increase this Commission authorizes. If we use IPC I s full revenue 2362 Power: Direct P. 29 AARP request as a reference point , the existing rate structure (a $2.51 monthly service charge and a non-seasonal rate) would lead to a kwh charge of 5.92 cents for the residential class.For the winter heating season however , I PC proposes a 4. 91 cent charge. How could this be avoided? Instead of exclusively using higher summer rates and fixed charges and effectively reducing winter rates, blocked rates could be used for the residential class. 2363 Power: Direct P. 29a AARP Blocked rates that offered a modest initial block at a low rate but then charged a higher rate for consumption above that level would automatically be seasonal rates. In all seasons of the year when residential consumption increased, more consumption would be billed at the higher tail-block rate.In that sense, the higher marginal cost would be conveyed during both summer and winter peak seasons. Could you provide an example tied to the residential revenue requirement in this case? Yes. In the following example I have used IPC' s residential revenue requirement for illustrative purposes even though I do not support either the allocation of costs to the residential class nor the overall revenue increase IPC is seeking. An initial 400 kwh per month block of electricity could be priced at a rate 25 percent lower than the price for consumption above that level.In the following rate design I have increased the monthly customer charge from $2.51 to $3.00. I will discuss this change later.With that monthly customer charge the appropriate rates for the initial and tail block would be: Customer Charge:$3. Initial 400 kwh block:834 cents per kwh All other kwh:445 cents per kwh 2364 Power: Direct P. 30 AARP This rate design can be compared with that proposed by IPC: Customer Charge:$10. Non-Summer Rate:910 cents per kwh Non-Summer Rate:138 cents per kwh Note that the tail-block rate I propose is almost the same as (5 percent higher than) the 2365 Power: Direct P. 30a AARP summer rate proposed by IPC. In that sense, it gives the same marginal supply cost information during both summer and winter peaks that IPC proposes only for the summer period. In addition to conveying the high costs of electric consumption during both the summer and winter period, what other advantages are there to such a blocked rate? Such a rate provides rate relief to customers wi th modest levels of consumption. In effect, it provides a modest block of electricity at a reduced rate. Customers whose consumption stays within or close to this block face lower rates. Those whose consumption stretches beyond that block pay higher rates. The further beyond the initial block consumption goes, the greater the impact on the customer s bill. This will provide some rate relief for smaller households and those who cannot afford larger homes and more electric using appliances. I would expect it would benefit , for instance, senior citizens and many low- income households. Why do you mention low-income households? Do not some of them have large families living in relatively low quality structures that use large quantities of electrici ty? 2366 Power: Direct P. 31 AARP Some low- income households certainly can be characterized in that way. But, in general , low and fixed income households consume less electricity, just as they consume less of most other goods. They live in smaller homes and apartments; they have a smaller stock of electric-using appliances; and they have to "pinch their pennies" more. Over the last three decades I have reviewed dozens of studies on the link between income and electric consumption. I have yet to find a study showing that lower 2367 Power: Direct P. 31a AARP income households , in general , consumed more electricity than higher income households. This includes older 1981-1983 vintage, analyses of income-electric consumption patterns on IPC' s system and in Idaho as a whole. Disproportionately raising the bills of smaller residential customers will place an increased burden on those least able to pay for basic utility service: those with low and fixed incomes. This is important and relevant information when considering the impact of rates on customers. But do not the consumption patterns of IPC' s LIEAP customers indicate high levels of consumption by low-income households? The IPC LIEAP customer consumption data provided in response to Commission Staff Request 40 does indicate high levels of electric consumption for the September 2002-May 2003 period.Several things should be kept in mind when drawing inferences from this LIEAP data for all low and fixed income households. First , LIEAP customers represent both the lowest income customers IPC has and are likely to be the highest energy consuming low income households. LIEAP customers until recently, had to have incomes below 125 percent of poverty.The sel f - selection process for the LIEAP program that provides support in paying utility bills is 2368 Power: Direct P. 32 AARP likely to attract those low-income households with the highest utility bills , i.e. those with unusually high electric usage. In that sense the LIEAP households may not be a good sample of all low and fixed income households. Second, at least in Montana , LIEAP program participants are a relatively small sample of the LIEAP-qualified population. In Montana only 25 to 30 percent of LIEAP-qualified households seek utility bill relief through LIEAP. Despite more than a decade of efforts to boost the participation rate through utility and private outreach efforts, the 2369 Power: Direct P. 32a AARP participation rate has not increased. Third , most low income and fixed income households do not think of themselves as living in poverty and/or do not meet the federal guidelines to be so classified. The low income population stretches well beyond the federal poverty classification. The IPC LIEAP customer consumption data should be taken seriously.The high electric consumption levels it documents highlights the need for expanded low-income weatherization and bill payment assistance programs to do something permanent about these high levels of energy consumpt ion. At the same time , until there is a lot more study that confirms that IPC' s low and fixed income households contradict decades of evidence that low and fixed income households use less energy than high lncome households, this data should not be used against a blocked rate design that allows multiple public policy objectives to be pursued simultaneously. In your proposed rate design above , you have raised the monthly customer charge from $2.51 to $3.00. Why did you propose that? Given that I believe that it is far more important to have usage charges that reflect the expected higher incremental costs of the present and future , I do 2370 Power: Direct P. 33 AARP not really believe that there is any reason to raise the customer charge. However, the customer charge has not been increased for 10 years and a case could be made to increase it to reflect some of the effects of inflation. In addition , the appropriate definition of customer costs is those costs that could be avoided if the customer ceased to take service. That would include those meter reading and billing functions that actually vary wi th the number of customers. Some of 2371 Power: Direct P. 33a AARP the meter reading and billing costs are relatively fixed. A meter reader has to walk by a residence whether or not the customer is taking service and there are fixed overhead costs associated with the customer accounting function. A $3.00 a month charge would cover about 70 percent of the meter reading and customer account costs that IPC calculates. That would appear to be a reasonable reflection of the variable part of those costs. Given that there is no urgency to carefully convey such customer costs since they do not affect customer behavior and by lowering usage charges may encourage inefficient customer behavior , there is no need to get the monthly customer charge exactly right. What would be the impact of your rate design proposals compared to the rate design that is currently in place but adj usted to meet the revenue requirement IPC seeks in this case? That is indicated in the following table. Across the entire year , about two-thirds of all residential bills would be lower , all those bills less than 1 126 kwh per month. 2372 Power: Direct P. 34 AARP Comparison of Current IPC Rate Design and AARP Proposal Consumption Current IPC AARP Difference Level Rate Design Proposal AARP-Current IPC (kwh/mo)($/mo)($/mo)($/mo) 200 $14.$12.$1. 400 $26.$22.$3. 600 $38.$35.23 $2. 700 $43.$41.$2. 800 $49.$48.$1. 000 $61.$61.$0. 200 $73.$73.$0.40 1 ,400 $85.$86.$1.46 600 $97.$99.$2. 800 $109.$112.$3. 000 $120.$125.46 $4. 500 $150.41 $157.$7. 000 $179.$189.$9. 500 $209.$222.$12. 000 $239.$254.$15.21 500 $268.$286.$17. 000 $298.$318.$20. What would be the impact of your rate design proposals compared to the rate design proposed by IPC? Again, accepting for illustrative purposes IPC I S overall revenue target and its allocation of costs to the residential class, the next table compares the relative impacts of AARP I s and IPC' s rate design proposals on customers with different levels of consumption. During the non-summer period a little more than half 2373 Power: Direct P. 35 AARP ----'-' ~C' --'-' co"-C"C'"C- -'-",-."..,'-"'- of residential bills would be lower and a little less than half would be higher.The lower the level of electric consumption , the more beneficial the rate design is to a residential customer. It is the upper half of residential consumers , those with monthly non- summer consumption above 876 kwh who would face higher bills. Those customers are responsible for three-quarters of the residential non- summer energy use. During the winter heating season , November through March , slightly less than 2374 Power: Direct P. 35a AARP half of the bills would be lower under this rate design. During the summer , almost all residential bills would be lower even though all customers who consume more than 400 kwh per month would face tail-block rates higher than those proposed by IPC.Eighty percent of summer bills containing 96 percent of residential consumption would face such higher rates. Comparison of IPC and AARP Rate Design Proposals Consumption IPC Proposal AARP Proposal Difference: AARP-I PC Level Summer Non-Summer Summer Non-Summer Summer Non-Summer(kwh/mo)($/mo)($/mo)($/mo)($/mo)($/mo)($/mo) 200 $22.$19.$12.$12.$9.$7.400 $34.$29.$22.$22.$12.$7. 600 $46.$39.46 $35.$35.23 $11.$4. 700 $52.$44.$41.$41.$11.$2.800 $59.$49.$48.$48.$10.$1.000 $71.$59.$61.$61.$10.$1.200 $83.$68.$73.$73.$9.$4.400 $95.$78.$86.$86.-$9.$8.600 $108.$88.$99.$99.-$8.$11.800 $120.48 $98.$112.$112.$7.$14. 000 $132.$108.$125.46 $125.46 $7.$17.500 $163.$132.$157.$157.$5.$24.000 $194.$157.$189.$189.$4.$32.500 $224.$181.$222.$222.$2.$40.29000$255.$206.40 $254.$254.$1.$47.500 $286.$230.$286.$286.$0.40 $55.000 $316.$255.$318.$318.$1.$63. Are you not afraid that the lower rates for the initial block will encourage additional consumption during peak periods? No. Only 4 percent of residential energy is sold in the 18 percent of bills that stay within the 400 kwh block. That is , almost 96 percent of the residential 2375 Power: Direct P. 36 AARP ,- -- energy sales are on bills where the customer faces the higher tail-block rate. In that sense, the vast maj ori ty of consumption is given the right price signal. 2376 Power: Direct P. 36a AARP Does this conclude your prefiled direct Yes, it does. testimony? 2377 Power: Direct P. 37 AARP open hearing. (The following proceedings were had in MR. PURDY:And I have no additional direct. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Okay.Questions for Dr. Power.Mr. Eddie? MR. EDDIE:, thank you. Mr. Budge. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Gollomp? BY MR. BUDGE: MR. GOLLOMP: No. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Ward , Mr. Miller. MR. BUDGE:Thank you. CROSS -EXAMINATION Dr. Power , if I understand your testimony correctly you advocate, on behalf of your client, a complete elimination of the so-called irrigation subsidy that exists wi thin the context of the cost -of - service studies; is that right? No.That's not right.I explicitly say that any cost-of-service analysis has some significant CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho This commission , and most other commissions have never applied them dollar for dollar. margin of error. 2378 POWER (X) AARP83676 So I begin by throwing out a third of the measured difference relative to the cost-of-service analysis that the Company has carried out.And then propose that the remaining two-thirds be closed. And your proposal is to move that remaining two-thirds to cost of service or what would then be cost of service over a period of five years; is that correct? Yes. And does the effect of that, if understand correctly from your testimony, that the rates to the residential customers that you I re here to testify for, would then diminish from about 19 percent that the Company recommended down to 13 and a half percent? Well , since a third - - if the gap - - the revenue gap measured by the Company s cost -of - service analysis were completely closed then it could go from 19 percent to, I think it's 14.3 or 14.4 percent.Since all of the gap isn I t going to be removed it wouldn I t fall that far. Well, I thought your recommendation in this case was that the rate that you proposed as increase for the residential customers would be 13 and a half percent rather than the 19 the Company proposed.Wasn I t that your conclusion? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2379 POWER (X) AARP83676 No.No.What I said was in my discussion of the size of the revenue gap, was that the Company cost-of-service analysis and its rate design proposal let rates that the rate increase that otherwise would have gone to the residential class to rise from around percent to 19 percent.I simply pointed that out as a measure of the size of the revenue deficiency. In my proposal I don't - - I did not recommend that the gap be entirely closed.And therefore we would not be moving all the way back. And the fact that you recommend that the one-third leeway from cost of service be issued as recognition of the -- recognition of cost-of-service methodology is somewhat of an art and not a science? Yes. And do you agree that from a public policy perspective , that other factors are appropriate for this Commission to consider in setting rates in addition to cost -of - service studies? Absolutely. And would you agree that rate shock is one of those considerations? Yes.Which is why I and other witnesses have proposed phasing in the rate increase over time. And I believe you've suggested that the CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2380 POWER (X) AARP83676 phase-in would amount to about a 13 and a half percent increase per year to the irrigation class? It's a significant increase per year , yes. So a year-to-year increase of 13 and a half percent, whatever the exact amount is , if I'm off somewhat, would satisfy any concerns you have about rate shock? Yes.In this context , absolutely. been testifying in cases dealing with revenue deficiency that's the measure vis-a-vis of the irrigation class for 20 years.And the size of that gap has remained very large. My feeling is that it I s time to do something serious and systematic about it.And I think providing - - if the Commission were to decide that a ten-year phase-in was more appropriate I'm not sure that would bother me.But I think we need to do something systematically.And that appeals to rate shock are not very believable at this point after the irrigators have successfully avoided facing the music for 20 or 25 years. In other words, what you re saying is over the past 20 or 25 years the Commission has chose not to put great emphasis on cost -of - service studies but instead looked to a number of other policy factors.And your testimony now is that the Company should give much CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2381 POWER (X) AARP83676 greater emphasis to cost -of - service studies, although not moving to true cost of service , but greater emphasis to that and less to the policy decisions of the past that led us to the gap that we now face? Well , I'm not sure that the policy decisions have ever been made clear or articulated.As I recall the Commission has, in each of those decisions, has said that it is raising irrigation rates disproportionately and it intends to continue to raise them to close the gap. So its indication of what it intended to , indicated a belief that cost of service should play very significant role.What happened as a result of long periods of time between rate cases, is that the gap either did not decrease very much , or actually increased. And so the Commission I s commitment to implementing over time cost of service, wasn t realized because of the time gap between rate cases.The gap grew larger , more difficult to deal with.And I'm just suggesting that now is the time to make sure that the intent to make use of cost of service as one of the important elements in rate design be systematically implemented. Would you agree that it is important as a matter of policy for commissions to consider in making their decision consistency with previous decisions? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2382 POWER (X) AARP83676 that a factor that a commission should generally consider in a rate making contex , t being consistent with the proceedings of the past? Not if conditions have fundamentally changed.I think that would be a purely bizarre and perverse public policy objective. Is it true that you didn't do any economic study of what your systematic proposal to move the irrigators toward the cost of service would have upon that class of customers or the rural agricultural communi ty as a whole from an economic standpoint? That's not true.No.ve spent my entire professional life studying the economy of the rural West and Excuse me.Let me rephrase that question. I didn't ask about a study of the West.Have you made any economic studies of the impact on the irrigation class, of the irrigation economy in Idaho, that might result from the proposed systematic move for cost of service that you propose in this case?Have you studied that issue? I have studied that issue. Okay.And what - - I don I t see that in any of your testimony. No.I was -- I was specifically speaking CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2383 POWER (X) AARP83676 to the cost of service and the issues being raised in this particular case. Have you made a study as to what point in time , as far as rate increases, a certain percent of the irrigation class may no longer be able to function and may go out of business?I think you can answer yes or no if you did such a study. I 1 m - - I don I t want to sound like Bill Clinton and say it depends on what you mean by a study. COMMISSIONER SMITH:There I S nothing wrong with that. THE WITNESS:If what you I re asking me is in making my recommendation I was ignorant as to what the potential impact BY MR. BUDGE: No.That's not what -- - - that this rate increase would be on the irrigation class, the answer is no.ve paid a lot of attention to the impact of electric rates and other costs on agriculture on south Idaho and the Mountain West. That wasn I t my question at all. My question was have you made a specific study of the irrigation class in Idaho as to what the economic impact might be on that class of the rate increase of 13 and a half percent per year that you CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2384 POWER (X) AARP83676 recommended in this case be systematically applied each of the next five years? No.I have not studied Idaho Power' irrigation customers specifically. Thank you.Now , let me ask you a hypothetical question. Let's assume we move the irrigation class towards full cost of service under your systematic approach , and Idaho Power continues to embark upon the capi tal improvement program that they've presented in this case which involves expenditure of a lot of funds for new plants and embark upon a series of new rate cases that continue to increase the cost of all customers as well as this particular class disproportionately.Let' assume hypothetically the irrigation class goes away, or substantially goes away down the road five , or six , or seven years simply due to economic infeasibility.Okay? Will you accept the hypothetical proposed so far? No.I don't believe that but I'll accept it as a hypothetical. m just saying will you accept it for purposes of the hypothetical questions I'm going to ask? All right. Would you still be advocating at that point in time when we come before this commission the use CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2385 POWER (X) AARP83676 of a weighted 12CP with zero allocators in all but five months on behalf of your customers, residential customers? As my testimony indicates, especially the appendix A , the reason I have not emphasized cost-of -service analysis in this particular case is that the choice of different approaches to allocating cost does not make a huge difference to the residential class or senior citizen on behalf of whom I'm appearing her. If that were to change, and the residential class was facing what appeared to be an unfair, unreasonable, disproportionate increase in rates, I would have a lot to say about the choice of cost -of - service methods. , even though you approved a weighted 12CP methodology, the Company s proposed methodology, you didn't dispute in your testimony and accepted it; did you not? No.I just - - I think I say two or three times that I'm using it only as a point of reference. don I t think that there s any reasonable cost -of - service analysis that could be proposed.And I haven't seen one over the years that doesn I t suggest that there s a revenue deficiency vis-a-vis the irrigation class. Let I S continue with my hypothetical. Let I S say the irrigators go away and I don t know if CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2386 POWER (X) AARP83676 you've analyzed the summer load that the irrigators substantially contribute to, but let's assume without getting into the numbers that the summer peak that Idaho Power now experiences, where three of the five months are weighted, the other two being December, November and December , that summer peak is now eliminated and believe the IRP would seem to indicate that it then may shift to November, December, January, and February, and perhaps March.And under that type of a weighted 12CP would you agree that a lot of the cost of growth in the future would then be passed upon to those particular customers who use heavily in those months? Well , I don'I don't expect Idaho Power Company to ever become primarily a winter-peaking utility. That wasnlt my question.I think my question was , if in fact that occurred as a result of the elimination of the -- If that occurred. Would in fact we not then be weighting heavily and allocating costs to those particular customers who use heavily in those new peak five months which would be primarily the winter months? Hypothetically yes.Practically what will happen is that the peaks will get more evenly weighted. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2387 POWER (X) AARP83676 As my testimony makes clear, I think Idaho Power is understating the importance of providing price signals to residential customers and other customers who use electrici ty during the winter.So, yes, it would shift the allocator towards the non-summer months.In fact, that's not going to be the outcome. And assuming also if the irrigators were gone , and under the Company s proposed rate schedule think Exhibit 44, reflects that the irrigators under the rates proposed would be contributing 75 million dollars a year , approximately the same as the rate increase the Company s requested here, those revenues would then have to be made up from those customers who remain on the system; is that true? It would be made up by the new customers coming onto the system that would rapidly make use of the energy and capacity that the irrigators are currently using. And one of those new customers if the growth in the next ten years continues as the growth in the past ten years would primarily be the residential customers; isn't that true? That is one of the classes of customers that would help pay the costs.Whether that would lead to a disproportionate increase to that class of customers CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2388 POWER (X) AARP83676 isn't clear to me at all. And so would you think if the residential customers were faced with successive annual 13 and a half or so percent increases per year, that wouldn t then be considered rate shock to that class? Idaho Power and this Commission would never have allowed a gap between the residential class and everybody else of that size to develop.There's no other class of customers that has the cultural and poli tical clout that the irrigators have.That just isn't a realistic hypothetical. Turn to page 23 of your testimony, if you would, please. And beginning at the bottom of page 23 and continuing at the top of page 24 you make a statement that's quite surprising coming from an economist.And you state that in the rural areas where irrigated agricultural is more dominant that you don't think it' likely that lower irrigation costs have stimulated the local economy.Do I understand yourIs that correct? testimony that you don't believe that lower irrigation costs have stimulated the economy in rural areas of Idaho? That's not what I say here. Well, your answer is, that is not likely. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2389 POWER (X) AARP83676 Do you mean something different? No.Give me the line again. Well, line 23 on page 23, you ask yourself this question.But in the rural areas where irrigated agricul ture is a more dominant part of the local economy, don't lower irrigation costs stimulate the local economy. And your answer is, that is not - - that is unlikely. Right.What I'm referring to is the current situation.The idea that one can stimulate the economy by taking money from one group of citizens and giving it to another , that that's an economic development strategy, is something that I don I t think is supported by professional economists working in the field of economic development. So you're not saying that the lower rates irrigators have enj oyed in the past have not provided stimulation to the rural economy? Absolutely not.Similarly lower rates to FMC or other large industrial customers in the past, aluminum companies for instance in the Pacific Northwest may at one point, almost certainly at one point did stimulate the local economy.Whether continuing those subsidies when the - - after the economy had changed, and one has a more diversified less frontier-like economy in place, whether maintaining those subsidies continues to CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho POWER (X) AARP 2390 83676 stimulate the economic or burden the economy is the issue that I I m dealing with at this point in my testimony. I believe you live, according to your testimony, in Missoula, Montana? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Yes. Have you ever lived in Idaho? No.I have not. Did you fly or drive here? I flew here. Have you ever driven here? Yes. And did you drive through southern Idaho? Yes. Did you drive through Blackfoot and get off the freeway and go through Blackfoot? ve driven dozens, if not a hundred times through southern Idaho. Got off the freeway? Yes. Have you been in American Falls? Yes, I have. Aberdeen? ve stayed in American Falls.ve gone hiking in the area. Have you been through Burley and Jerome 2391 POWER (X) AARP83676 and Rupert? Absolutely. And you re able to say with a straight face on page 24, line 3, that the rural economy is excuse me, most rural businesses are not irrigated farms? In -- What are these businesses that you were referring to that are not irrigated farms? COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Budge, would you please let the witness answer one question before you charge of f on another? That was a poor lead- in.MR. BUDGE: apologize. If you take Jerome asTHE WITNESS: typical of southern Idaho, then I think you can absolutely conclude that irrigated agriculture is about the only show going on. I f instead you look at Canyon County, or you look at Twin Falls County, or you look at Ada County, the three counties that have the largest number of irrigated agricultural operations, you get a dramatically different picture of what the south Idaho economy looks like. BY MR. BUDGE: You mention Twin Falls, which I find CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho POWER (X) AARP 2392 83676 curious.Is not the number one growth industry in Twin Falls the dairy industry? It has become so, yes. When you drive along the freeway do you see some pretty big dairy farms there? Yes. Do you suppose that the hay that those cattle eat are from irrigated farms? Certainly. Is that one of the - - when you say most businesses are not irrigated farms I'm just wondering what is the businesses that you I re seeing? You don't - - the idea that one can study the economy by driving along a road and looking at what one sees on the landscape is the equivalent of analyzing the economy by staring into the rearview mirror.From that point of view western Montana is 100 percent timber or 90 percent timber with a sliver of agriculture aimed in.Because when you look around all you see is timbered mountains.When you look around a good part of southeastern Montana , or southern Idaho, all you see on the landscape are agricultural operations.You might then conclude that there I s nothing else going on here. When you look at the economic statistics as to where people earn their income, where people are employed, when CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2393 POWER (X) AARP83676 you look at the actual data on the sources of income and employment for people, you get a dramatically different picture. Let me ask you as an economist following tha t 1 ine of thought , have you in fact made, in arriving at some of these conclusions that agriculture is not important , have you made any attempt to analyze how many acres in southern Idaho under the Idaho Power system are under sprinkler irrigation at this point in time? MR. PURDY:m not sure COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Purdy. I obj ect to that.MR. PURDY: mischaracterizes his statement or his testimony as suggesting that agriculture is not important.He never said that. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Budge. MR. BUDGE:That seems to be what he saying.s testifying that the rural economy is increasingly diverse and non-agricultural.And he s an economist.I ought toHe I S saying it I S not a big deal. be able to ask him as a lead- in question as to what type of annual revenue is generated from the farm economy that he believes is not significant. COMMISSIONER SMITH:I think that your question is entirely appropriate.I do think that you CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2394 POWER (X) AARP83676 mischaracterized his testimony. MR. BUDGE:Okay.Let me go into that other 1 ine then. BY MR. BUDGE: Have you made a determination of the amount of income that is generated on an annual basis from the agricultural economy in southern Idaho in irrigation? I don I t want to be technical.Wha t do you mean by income?Income to Idaho Power , income to the operators? Excuse me.Let me be more specific.What is the amount of revenue generated from agricultural crops which would be dairy, potatoes , graln , beets , and the like? ve looked at that number.That is not the way in which the relative importance of agriculture in a local economy would be measured, however.The total sales volume includes a significant amount of double-counting and counting of income which does not circulate wi thin the local economy. My question was simply if you've looked at it to know what the number is? I have looked at it.And I don I t - - can I tell you what the number is sitting here without anything CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2395 POWER (X) AARP83676 in front of me?No.It will be a big number. How big is it in the state compared to other industries? It's - - I assume where you're going is that agriculture is the state's largest industry or some such thing as that.It absolutely, posi ti vely is not. If it's not, where does it rank in industry? It ranks well down in the list when one looks at manufacturing in the aggregate , when one looks for certain, you know , at service industries in the aggregate.When one looks at where people earn their income, where they make their living, what it is that keeps the Idaho economy going, Idaho is not an agricul tural economy. And as an economist is there a multiplier effect that is typically applied to determine the economic impact of revenue generated from a particular industry?In other words, when the farmers sell their crop they buy fertilizer, and gas , and equipment, and vehicles.How does that multiplier effect impact the rest of the economy that relies upon the income from the farm economy?Do you have a number of the multiplier effect that you use? It depends on the geographic area. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2396 POWER (X) AARP83676 you re looking at a small rural area the multiplier is likely to be quite small , less than two.I f you I re looking at a larger geographic area that includes the trade centers that service the small towns and supply the small towns, you 'll get a multiplier that's larger, two and a half.If you have a large trade center like Boise, it could be as high as three. When you make the statement on page 24 line 7 and 8, you make the statement that farm and ranch families increasingly supplement their household income and stay engaged in agriculture by taking jobs in the non-agricultural sectors.Is that an indicator to you that at least for those particular farmers that they must supplement the income from the farm in order to stay in business and keep the farm? No.Those - - that data on the percentage of farm operators and farm operator families who work off the farm is gathered through the Census of Agriculture. And is , as part of that data gathering process farm operators are asked why they work off the farm.Why farm family members work off the farm.And it's only a small minori ty that say they do it in order to pay the bills associated with agriculture.Most of them explain that they do it for a variety of reasons including they have other occupations, professional skills that they want to CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2397 POWER (X) AARP83676 deploy.Secondly, they have financial obj ecti ves that can't be pursued while being solely a farmer.So the explanation provided is rarely that that's the only way in which they can pay the farm bills. So you I re referring to the so-called hobby farmers? They I re not hobby farmers.No.Even the largest of our farm operations derive a significant part of the household income from non- farm sources.Tens of thousand of dollars from non-farm sources.It's very unusual , it's only a minority of farm operations in south Idaho where the operator and family members work only on the farm.So these are not hobby operations at all. These are operations that deploy $500 000 to a million dollars in assets in terms of land, in terms of equipment , in terms of buildings. Can you refer me to the source of information that you rely upon as the basis for that conclusion? The US Department of AgricultureYes. Census of Agriculture which provides data for you county by county, in fact town by town. And what's the one you re referring to now? 1997.Although the 2002 data is just CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2398 POWER (X) AARP83676 starting to be released. Do you have that available? No.I don t have it with me. Thank you.Just one other question. Have you, in this case , taken any look at the load growth of Micron as a customer? One of the witnesses provided a graph showing that. And I think that graph , if I recall right, would show that Micron s growth over the last ten years exceeds substantially 100 percent in each of the months in which they operate.And in this case the Company I proposed that they receive an increase of something like 8 percent.Less than half of the jurisdictional average. Would that pause you, sir , as an economist - - or cause you as an economist to pause as to whether it would be fair for a customer that grows at that magnitude to pay half of what the jurisdictional average is? Customers, as an economist, I would have to say that customers, absent other public policy concerns, should pay as close to the cost associated with providing them with service as possible.And that should be done in an obj ecti ve sort of fashion.The cost-of-service analysis that the Company provided , which I assume the Company has some confidence in , indicates CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2399 POWER (X) AARP83676 that even less of an increase , that Micron ought to face even less of an increase. To label, to suggest - - as an economist do I have a problem with that?We rarely tax people orNo. set the electric rates on the basis of whose load is growing or decreasing.That would be an interesting idea that I think is worth exploring but that I s not, in general, how we set rates.We usually are enthusiastic about businesses that are succeeding and expanding and we don't target them for special burdens because of that success. MR. BUDGE:Thank you very much. appreciate your testimony.Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Does Staff have any questions for Dr. Power? MR. STUTZMAN:Just a point of clarification , if I may. CROSS - EXAMINATION BY MR. STUTZMAN: Dr. Power, I got confused about the amount of the rate increase that you re proposing be applied to irrigators over the next five years. m looking at the top of page 26 of your CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2400 POWER (X) AARP83676 testimony. Yes. You indicate that the proposed rate should be 4 percent each year in order to close the gap. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho that the amount that you re proposing rather than 13 and Yes. Thank you. MR. STUTZMAN:Tha ti s a 11 I have. MR. EDDIE:Madame Chair , could I interpose one quick question? COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Eddi e . a hal f percent? CROSS -EXAMINATION Dr. Power , I'm not sure if you were COMMISSIONER SMITH:As long as it I S MR. EDDIE:It will be quick. BY MR. EDDIE: I I m not sure if you were here earlier when Ms. Hirsh was on the stand, but are you familiar with a BY MR. EDDIE: here -- really cross. 2401 POWER (X) AARP83676 study by Mr. Roger D. Colton entitled Energy Consumption and Expenditures by Low-Income Customers? Yes. Would you agree with Ms. Hirsh that that is a generally reliable indication of usage patterns by low-income customers? Absolutely.It's drawing on publicly available date, most of it gathered by government agencies. MR. EDDIE:Very good.Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Kl ine, does the Company have questions for Dr. Power? MR. KLINE:Just a couple. CROSS - EXAMINATION BY MR.KLINE: Again would Dr.Power,I I d direct you the top of page your testimony.just want talk a little bit about the mechanics of the phase- proposal that you ve made in this case for closing the gap -- Yes. - - of the other class revenue deficiency gap.You indicate that as a part of your proposal there CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2402 POWER (X) AARP83676 be an accounting order from the Commission that would allow these increased revenues to be accumulated and build up a balance.I I m assuming that you would also believe that the Company should be allowed to earn a return on that accumulated balance? The Company should be allowed to earn a return on any revenues that belong to it.What I had in mind was collecting revenues that didn't belong to the Company but belonged to other customers that would be used to reduce the rates to other customer classes. Whether in that context the utility should be allowed to earn a return is unclear to me. But it wasn't your anticipation that that would be the case with this proposal, wouldn I t need to? No. Okay.And I think in response to Mr. Budge's last question you indicated that certainly between classes cost of service was something that you believed in as an economist; is that correct? Yes. Do you feel the same way about intraclass - - for purposes wi thin a - - customers wi thin a class there also ought to be - - cost of service ought to be considered? Yes.There s always a - - do a benefit CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2403 POWER (X) AARP83676 cost analysis, I guess, as to whether getting more detailed and breaking things into smaller groups or refining the rate design leads to more confusion and perception of inequity than it corrects problems.But I think that I s how we come up with the class of customers we have.We start as United Water was saying, you start with one undifferentiated class , you try to just make changes in components of the rate design.You go as far as you can with that, when that doesn I t work anymore you then maybe start creating rate classes, so. You would want to avoid having some customers in a class subsidizing the rates of other customers in the same class? Unless there are other important public pol icy obj ecti ves, some of which are indirectly at issue in this case for low-income customers and concern with low- income customers.Some utilities, I understand that apparently is not possible for the utility to act - - this Commission to approve low- income discounts , but many utilities in the western United States and elsewhere in the United States do have low-income discounts.Those clearly represent , by the very label , a cross-subsidization from often other residential customers because they re often entirely funded wi thin the residential class for lower income customers. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2404 POWER (X) AARP83676 there are public policy obj ecti ves that may lead to rate design that deviates from what the mechanical cost of service would indicate was appropriate. MR. KLINE:That I S all the questions I I Thank you.got. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you , Mr. Kline. Do we have questions from the Commission? Well , I've got some. EXAMINA T I ON BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: I guess I I m glad that we finally have a witness who pointed out the historical place of the irrigation community in Idaho culture and politics.And keeping that in mind, what if the Commission decided to throw out 50 percent instead of 30? I think that that's certainly a call that the Commission can make.And when and if there I s a rate case parties will be in here urging you to modify that. I would , I guess I would urge that actually, I'll take that back.I was going to say would urge that there be a more complete airing of what take to be largely folk economics that seems to be forming the judgment about what the irrigation class can CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2405 POWER (Com) AARP83676 and cannot afford to pay.And whether in fact, burdening every other group of customers , burdening every other part of the economy, is somehow good for the south Idaho economy.On its face I can't believe that you 'll be able to find an economist who would believe that that could be the case. But I think it would be good to have a more complete airing of some of the assumptions or hypothesis that are buried in a lot of what I s being said about the adaptability of the irrigation class to changes in rates , the role of the irrigation class in the south Idaho economy, et cetera.I think it would help inform the Commission to have some of that discussed directly in front of it. No doubt.I guess I have a question and you can just tell me if it's something you haven considered.One of the concerns I had about the irrigation class is that it includes everybody from the guy who owns five or ten acres , throws a little pump in a ditch three months of the year; to the guy who irrigates thousands of acres with deep wells and pivots.And it just seems incomprehensible to me that those two are imposing the same kind of costs and should be in the same class and get the same rates.Do you ever think about that? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2406 POWER (Com) AARP83676 Well , I looked at that because AARP was concerned, as I think most citizens especially south Idaho folks are, about the impact of the - - you know, the possible rate increase to irrigators the impact that will have on them regardless of whether they feel it will have a big impact on the economy.You know , there I s a feeling that that would be a pretty shocking thing to do. they asked me to look at whether it would be possible to have some sort of blocked rate for those smaller customers.And I didn t put a lot of time in it, but there is an incredible di versi ty.There s almost two order of magnitude.I think it's almost a 90-fold difference in usage just based on the chart that the Company produced in terms of impact on different sizes customers.If you look at the smallest and the largest there I S a huge, huge difference in consumption.And when you look at the Census of Agriculture data on the different sizes of irrigated operations one sees exactly the same sort of thing. So I think there is the possibility that one could try and design an irrigation rate that tried to protect smaller operations.It's not unusual for citizens to make a distinction between a straightforward commercial operation that's being conducted , with good purpose, to make money.But they re doing this with CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2407 POWER ( Com) AARP83676 their capital simply because that's offering a good return right now and there's no more commitment on the rest of the citizenry to that type of business as to some other part of the business, the distinction between that and true family farms, small operations. What I pointed out to AARP was that some of the larger operations are truly family farms.You know, that -- they in fact primarily involve a family devoting its resources and, you know , the labor power of most of its family members to conduct an irrigated operation.They may have millions of dollars of capital committed, to other people it may look 1 ike a big business, but by any definition of a family farm, they re not some large sprawling large corporate operation using migrant workers.They're a straightforward family unit that is successfully, in a very difficult world, operating an irrigated agriculture. So one could make a distinction between different sizes of operations.But I don't think that the distinction would get at what AARP was asking me to get at; could we protect family farms.Coul d we make a distinction between them and more commercial or corporate operations.And my answer to them, looking, you know just spending a day or two looking at the data was, I didn't think that could be done. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho POWER (Com) AARP 2408 83676 Okay.On other item.As you may be aware the Staff person , Schunke, also proposed a block rate structure.Only his first block was , I think , 800 kilowatt hours.And I tried to press him on that but he ultimately decided he liked his 800 number. So I guess I'm wondering about your 400 number and how closely wedded you are to 400 and is maybe 800 the right number , or something between? No.I think 800 only works because the Staff is recommending a very modest revenue requirement increase.That if the revenue requirement increase was substantially larger than that, the 800 block would not work. In addition, as one of the rebuttal wi tnesses , it may have been Idaho Power , pointed out, it significantly mutes the price signal that's being provided to a substantial number of residential customers during the summer because so many of them would operate entirely within the 800 block. He provided a good rationale for it in terms of the Company s generation resources in terms of base load/peak load, in terms of basic electric using appliances that are in the household, and their seasonali ty of their use.I thought he did a good job of providing a rationale for it. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2409 POWER ( Com) AARP83676 My approach in coming up wi th a much smaller block was that I wanted to make sure that almost all of the electric energy that I s being consumed is being consumed by customers who are operating outside of the block so that for at least some of their electricity they see that higher price.So that if they conserve, if they do something to improve the efficiency with which they use electricity, they get the reward associated with the higher-tailed block rate.Or if they choose to install their third hot tub , you know, they pay the price. So that's the point of me being very stingy in term of my block.It's 96 percent of the energy is consumed by folks who are outside of that block.And for that reason I think almost all of the electric energy being consumed by the residential class is being priced correctly. Thank you.You know, I always wondered when we implemented tiered rates during the energy crisis, we had outrageous screams heard throughout the And some of those customers were using 6000state. kilowatt hours in a month.And I always wondered what a residential customer had to do to use that much.But it must have been that third hot tub. Well, I remember one of your predecessors quizzing me 25 years ago and asking me because I must CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho POWER ( Com) AARP 2410 83676 have made some crack like that.He said isn I t it true, Dr. Power, that you think the consumption of electricity is evil.And I had to say, no , I enjoy a hot tub. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. Redirect , Mr. Purdy. MR. PURDY:Yes , just a few. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. PURDY: Dr. Power , in response to questions by Mr. Budge you were asked whether rate shock and other non-cost of service considerations should be relied upon in allocating revenue requirements.And I think you agreed that should; is that true? Yes. All right.And shouldn I t that principle apply to all customer classes and not just the irrigation class? Absolutely.I mean , that's one of the more difficult - - one of the things that gets lost in the discussion here is that we can I t support the irrigators without burdening all other economic actors.And so what's helpful to them and their part of the economy is burdensome, what avoids rate shock for them adds to the CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2411 POWER (Di) AARP83676 rate shock of other customers. Okay.So then is it fair to say that a 20-plus-year irrigation subsidy carried on the backs of other rate classes, is any less obj ectionable to you from an economic standpoint, than any rate shock that irrigators might experience as a result of a rate increase in this case? Well , I think an economic burden is an economic burden.And that we have to look at who I s providing this assistance to the irrigators. And the notion has been put forth , I believe Mr. Budge and others, have suggested that, well, this subsidy or whatever you want to call it has been around for so long, it was created by past commissions, it's almost become institutionalized. In your considerable experience in testifying before this commission and others, is that any reason to not try to solve a known problem? Absol utely not.I mean , we had to go in this region from declining block rates aimed at supporting all electric homes, to inclining block rates trying to get under control the cost associated with rising - - the rising cost associated with generation. this Commission has been through fundamental changes in rate design before. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2412 POWER (Di) AARP83676 And just two other areas briefly.Mr. Budge asked you about whether you had performed any type of economic impact analysis study to determine the effect that your proposal to ramp up irrigation rates would have on irrigators.You gave kind of a , I guess , qualified answer in terms of what constitutes a study.But my question is, should we be equally concerned about the economic impact on low-income customers who are operating at the margin , maybe on the verge of bankruptcy, maybe having to choose between providing adequate medical care to their children and paying their power bills? Absolutely as well as - - I mean , the burden, the shock is something that exists across the Micron , I don t know on how competitive aspectrum. market Micron is operating.It may be that people love south Idaho so much that they I re willing to come here and work for lower salaries and that Micron , like Bill Gates' operation in the Puget Sound area is never going to move because they've got a good thing going.But most businesses are in a competi ti ve situation.And to the extent you shift rates from one group of economic actors to another , you aren't doing the regional economy a favor.You have to be hurting the individuals, the low- income individuals, individuals on fixed income, residential customers in general , all other businesses. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2413 POWER (Di) AARP83676 So you can'- - unless somebody is willing to make a charitable donation to cover that revenue deficiency, it has to be picked up by other economic actors who are no - - in no better pos it ion to pay it than the irrigators. Thank you.And then you ve just partially answered my last area of questioning which had to do with Mr. Budge s discussion of economic development theories. And I think you've just testified, and correct me if I' wrong, if you subsidize one sector of an economy in any gi ven region , then aren't you asking other customers who live in the very same region to shoulder that subsidy? Absolutely.Unless you can find a captive set of economic actors who can't go anywhere else. So you - - were you finished? No.I was just going to say if you ve got - - if you can shuck costs off on somebody else who has no alternative and you don t care about them because they' not lovable , you know , then maybe you can get away with something because that set of economic actors won I t affected because they have to be operating there and you don I t ike them anyway.And so you can load up burdens on them and have very little impact on other people. But that's very unusual to be in that sort of setting.So that when you - - when you unburden one group and put the burden on another group, you I CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2414 POWER (Di) AARP83676 stimulating one part of the economy, depressing another part of the economy. So the concern that I have is the suggestion that if you're in Jerome, or Wendell , or American Falls , that this assumption that the entire economy and the benefit of everybody who lives in that region is riding on the back of the irrigator.And isn't it true that farmers have to buy their groceries from a grocery store, don I t they? Certainly.They I 11 be paying part of the - - indirectly they will be paying part of the subsidy themselves. Right.Everybody has to.So the grocery store I s going to have to pick up part of that subsidy. True , ye s And even the Company that provides the fertilizer to the farm is going to have to pick up part of that subsidy. Yes. And when a farmer goes into a grocery store, he doesn r t pay any less for a jar of peanut butter than anyone else , does he? No.I don I t think there I s a peanut butter subsidy. MR. PURDY:And I III leave it at that. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2415 POWER (Di) AARP83676 Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:That's good.I think the horse has died. We thank you, Dr. Power, for your testimony. I'm assuming Mr. Purdy would like to have you excused. THE WITNESS:That would be good. MR. PURDY:As well as all my other witnesses. COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there's no objection , the witnesses of AARP and the Community Action Partnership are excused. (The witness left the stand. COMMISSIONER SMITH:'ll be at lunch. And Mr. Miller. MR. MILLER:Just one thing in the continuing obj ection department. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Yes, sir. MR. MILLER:Could I have a continuing obj ection to hypothetical facts that are not based on any evidentiary record?And hypothetical questions that are not based on any evidentiary record? The point being that in the judicial system , of course, you can I t ask a hypothetical question unless there is some evidentiary basis for it in the CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 2416 COLLOQUY 83676 record.We don't enforce those rulings, necessarily strictly here, but there I s a good reason for it which is it I S a bad idea to make policy based on speculation that doesn t have any evidentiary support. So with that , I'd just like to have a continuing obj ection to hypothetical questions not based on any evidence. COMMISSIONER SMITH:And Mr. Miller, will certainly grant you that continuing obj ection.And I thought, I don I t know about evidence in the record, but at least some relationship to reality. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER:How many cases are you going back? COMMISSIONER SMITH:Just this one. It's our intention to break for lunch now and come back at 1: 30 and take up with Dr. Peseau. that going to work for you , Mr. Ward? MR. WARD:Tha t 's fine. COMMISSIONER SMITH:All right.We I 11 see you at 1: 3 0 . (Noon recess. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 2417 COLLOQUY 83676