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HomeMy WebLinkAbout20040415Volume IX.pdfORIGINAL BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION OF IDAHO POWER COMPANY FOR AUTHORITY TO INCREASE ITS INTERIM AND BASE RATES AND CHARGES FOR ELECTRIC SERVICE. ) CASE NO. IPC-O3-13 Idaho Public Utllttles Commission Office of the Secretary REceiVED, APR 1 5 2004 Boise, Idaho BEFORE (rU~ COMMISSIONER MARSHA SMITH (Presiding) COMMISSIONER PAUL KJELLANDER COMMISSIONER DENNIS HANSEN PLACE:Commission Hearing Room 472 West Washington Boise, Idaho DATE:March 30, 2004 VOLUME IX - Pages 1146 - 1395 CSB'REpORTING Constance S. Bucy, CSR No. 187 17688 Allendale Road * Wilder, Idaho 83676 (208) 890-5198 * (208) 337-4807 Emailcsb~spro.net ""'__~"-"-' ... .. .... llE.~~'~J;~~n=~RMP.2m9:~~~!'"';~J~!:~!m~n~' RAN For the Staf f :Lisa Nordstrom, Esq. and Weldon Stutzman, Esq. Deputy Attorney Generals 472 West Washington Boise, Idaho 83720-0074 Barton L. Kline, Esq. and Monica B. Moen, Esq. Idaho Power Company Post Office Box 70 Boise, Idaho 83707-0070 RICHARDSON & 0 I LEARY by Peter J. Richardson, Esq. Post Office Box 1849Eagle, Idaho 83616 RACINE , OLSEN , NYE , BUDGE & BAI LEY by Randall C. Budge, Esq. Post Office Box 1391 Pocatello, Idaho 83204-1391 Lawrence A. Gollomp, Esq. Assistant General Counsel U. S. Department of Energy 1000 Independence Ave., SW Washington , DC 20585 McDEVITT & MILLER by Dean J. Miller, Esq. Post Office Box 2564Boise, Idaho 83701 William M. Eddie Advocates for the West Post Office Box 1612Boise, Idaho 83701 GIVENS PURSLEY LLP by Conley E. Ward, Esq. Post Office Box 2720 Boise, Idaho 83701-2720 For Idaho Power Company: AP PEARANCE S .n.n_ _"'" :',:-,;::":, o;:,;:c:;,,;;;,::::':: ,,:,,:,,::,,:;, c,,c, " " ::,:~!" 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Seventh Street Suite 2110 Cincinnati , Ohio 45202 For Kroger Company: (Of Record) CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 83676 APPEARANCES WITNESS EXAMINATION BY PAGE Theresa Drake Ms.Moen (Direct)1147IdahoPower)Prefiled Direct Testimony 1149 Mr.Richardson (Cross)1167 Mr.Stutzman (Cross)1171 Susan J.Fullen Ms.Moen (Direct)1173IdahoPower)Prefiled Direct Testimony 1175 Mr.Eddi e (Cross)1212 Mr.Purdy (Cross)1215 Mr.Richardson (Cross)1232 Commissloner Hansen 1234Commissioner Smith 1236 Ms.Moen (Redirect)1238 John R.Gale Mr.Kl i ne (Direct)1240IdahoPower)Prefiled Direct Testimony 1242 Mr.Kl i ne (Direct -Cont I 1264 Ms.Nordstrom (Cross)1265 Mr.Budge (Cross)1269 Mr.Eddie (Cross)1280 Mr.Purdy (Cross)1284 Mr.Ward (Cross)1288 Commissloner Hansen 1293Commissioner Smith 1296 Mr.Kl ine (Redirect)1299Commissioner Kj ellander 1300 Don Reading Mr.Richardson (Direct)1303(ICIP)Prefiled Direct Testimony 1306 Mr.Eddie (Cross)1345 Mr.Kl i ne (Cross)1347 Mr.Richardson (Redirect)1362 Pike Teinert Mr.Richardson (Direct)1363(ICIP)Prefiled Direct Testimony 1366 Mr.Kline (Cross)1389Commissioner Smith 1393 Mr.Richardson (Redirect)1394 CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho INDEX83676 NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE FOR IDAHO POWER COMPANY: 50. 51. Derivation of Service Establishment, Premarked Reconnection , and Field Collection Charge s Idaho Power Overall Score Premarked 52.Providing Outage Information Top Rated Utilities Premarked 53. 54. 55. 56. 57. 58. 59. 60. 61. Cost Per Meter Read Premarked Meter Reading Quality Premarked Summary DSM Spending Premarked Automated Call Distribution Premarked Call Handle Time Comparison Premarked Call Volume Premarked Customer Satisfaction Research Premarked J D Powers Study Premarked Revenue Allocation Summary Premarked FOR THE INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS OF IDAHO POWER: 201. Danskin Station Cost per kWh Premarked 202. Danskin Generation Summary Premarked 203. IPC Mtn. Home Generation Station Months of Operation Premarked 204. Mid-Columbia On Peak Electric Price $MWhr Premarked CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho EXHIBITS83676 E X H I B T S (Continued) NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE (Continued) Premarked Premar ked Premarked Premarked Identified 1219 FOR THE INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS OF IDAHO POWER: 205. Percent Change in Proposed Fixed Demand , & Energy Charges by Customer Class 206. Total Monthly kWh - Residential & Industrial class , Jan. 2001 Sept. 2003 207. 2003 Monthly Coincident Demand ~ Generation Level 208. Calculation of Excess DistributionService Trans. capacity for Schedule 19 customers, etc. FOR COMMUNITY ACTION PARTNERSHIP & AARP: 809. Demand-Side Management at Idaho Power Company, A Business Plan 2003-2005 CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 83676 EXHIBITS BOISE , IDAHO, TUESDAY , MARCH 30,2004 1:15 P. M. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Let's go back on the record.Mr. Kl i ne . MR. KLINE:I would 1 ike just for one preliminary matter , we didn't get Mr.Avera -- COMMISSIONER SMITH:Avera. MR. KLINE: - - we didn't get him formally excused. COMMISSIONER SMITH:He may be formally excused and it is true that once you get the incorrect name in your brain, you cannot get it out. MR. KLINE:I will attest to that. Ms. Moen will conduct the spreading of the testimony of Ms. Fullen. MS . MOEN :Idaho Power would like to call Theresa Drake. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1146 COLLOQUY83676 THERESA DRAKE produced as a witness at the instance of the Idaho Power Company, having been first duly sworn , was examined and testified as follows: BY MS. MOEN: DIRECT EXAMINATION Ms. Drake, would you please state your full name for the record? Theresa Drake. And are you employed by Idaho Power? Yes , I am. And in what capacity? Currently I'm the manager of customer relations and research. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho And have you previously filed written testimony in this matter? Yes , I have. And do you wish to make any corrections to that testimony? I'd like to a modification to my employment capacity.Presented in the direct testimony, I presented as a senior pricing analyst and my employment capaci ty has changed to manager of customer relations and 1147 DRAKE (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 research. So on page 1, I think lines 21 and 22 , you indicate that in July of 2001 , your position evolved into a senior pricing analyst? That's correct.On page 1 , 1 ine 6 where it states I am employed by Idaho Power as a senior pricing analyst. And presently you're employed as? A manager of customer relations and research. If I would ask you the same questions included in your testimony today other than the modification you made, would your answers or responses to those questions be the same? Yes, they would. MS. MOEN:I request, Madam Chair , that the prefiled direct testimony of Theresa Drake consisting of 13 pages , along with Exhibit 50 be spread on the record as if read in its entirety and that Exhibit 50 be marked for identification. COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there is no objection , it is so ordered. (The following prefiled direct testimony of Ms. Theresa Drake is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1148 DRAKE (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 Please state your name and business address. My name is Theresa Drake.My business address is 1221 West Idaho Street, Boise, Idaho. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? I am employed by Idaho Power Company as a Senior Pricing Analyst. Please describe your educational background and work experience. In May of 1990 I received Bachelor of Science Degree in Marketing with emphasis in Finance from Jacksonville State Uni versi ty in Jacksonville, Alabama. From June 1990 through February 1993, I was employed by the Federal Reserve Bank in Birmingham , Alabama.During February 1993, I relocated to Boise and was employed by West One Bank managing the Marketing Customer Information System , researching customer purchase behavior and designing marketing campaigns around customers' needs. also formed a marketing database consulting firm prior to becoming employed by Idaho Power.I joined Idaho Power in January 1997 as a Pricing Analyst.In July 2001 my position evolved into a Senior Pricing Analyst. duties as a Senior Pricing Analyst include involvement in preparing the cost-of-service studies, unbundling studies, development of the Company's tariffs, and managing the Company I s Green Power 1149 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company Program.I also act as a regulatory liaison for customer service related issues. What is the purpose of your testimony? My testimony addresses proposed updates and changes to several of the Company I s service provisions including numbering and organization changes and changes to non-recurring charges , such as service establishment, reconnection , returned checks and customer deposits. Have you prepared any exhibits? Yes, Exhibit No. 50 explains how the proposed charges relating to service establishment and reconnect ion were derived. Do you intend to discuss every proposed change to the tariff at this time? No.While a few of the changes I discuss are substantive in nature , a significant number of changes are " form" or "housekeeping" in nature only and do not change the scope , effect or application of the various tariffs.The specific changes to the service provisions I address are detailed in Ms. Brilz's Exhibit No. 48, pages 1 through 52.These revisions are shown in legislative format in Exhibit No.4 8 so that parties reviewing them will be able to readily identify the proposed changes. Q. Let's begin with the changes being proposed to the numbering of the Company's General Rules and 1150 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company Regulations.Would you please explain the nature of the changes and why the Company is proposing them? First, on pages 1 through 52 of Ms. Brilz I Exhibit No. 48 , the Rules and Regulations have been more specifically separated by category than in the previous tariff.The change in format is intended to make specific topics easier to locate by creating more categories in the Rules and Regulations. Second , Rule F is now labeled,Service Establishment and Discontinuance" and clearly identifies acti vi ties involving initiating and ceasing service. Billing-related items have been moved to Rule G, formerly "Corrected Billing", which is now labeled "Billings" Deposit provisions have been assigned a separate rule Rule L. What are the substantive changes proposed to the Company s "General Rules, Regulations, and Rates"? The current Account Processing Charge Reconnect Fee, and Field Collection Charge have been updated to reflect current costs.In addition , the Company has elected to adopt deposit criteria for large commercial and special contract customers as provided in IDAPA 31.21.01 Rule 601. What provisions are included under Rule Service Establishment and Discontinuance? 1151 DRAKE , DI Idaho Power Company Requirements described in Rule F include Service Establishment, Service Reconnection Discontinuance of Service, Termination Practices, and Field Collection. Please describe Service Establishment. Service establishment describes the condition where a customer desires to activate an account with the Company and the service is currently energized.When a customer contacts the Company and requests service at a specified service point, the Company will determine if the requested service point is currently energized. the service point is energized, the Company performs the work necessary to complete the transaction; the customer I S name , address , and other pertinent information are entered or updated into the Customer Information System and the Company dispatches personnel to the service point to collect an initial meter read.The proposed Service Establishment Charge reflects the costs of performing these tasks. Does the Company currently have a charge associated with establishing service? Yes. The Account Initiation Charge is currently assessed.However, no distinction is currently made regarding whether the line is currently energized or not. Will the Service Establishment Charge apply if 1152 DRAKE , DI Idaho Power Company a customer requests service establishment at a non-metered service point? The Service Establishment Charge is not applicable to non-metered service points.Non-metered service points such as cable TV power supplies, telephone booths, street lighting, etc., are unique in respect to the degree of account establishment work , as described above , the Company may perform.In particular, no meter reading is required. Therefore, the costs to establish service for non-metered accounts are recovered through the standard service schedule charges. What if the customer requests service at a location where the service line is not currently energi zed? Service Reconnection describes the condition where service was once energized, has been disconnected and is presently requested by the customer to be re-energized.The Service Reconnection Charge reflects the costs of tasks performed to physically reconnect the service and update the pertinent information in the Customer Information System. Will a customer be charged both the Service Establishment Charge and the Service Reconnection Charge? No.The Service Reconnection Charge includes the costs associated with the tasks of service 1153 DRAKE , DI Idaho Power Company establishment plus the costs of physically reconnecting a service line. What are the fees associated with these 1154 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company transactions? The Service Establishment Charge as detailed on page 140 of Ms. Brilz's Exhibit No. 48, is $20 for all metered service points.The Service Reconnection Charge, also detailed on page 142 of Exhibit No. 48, varies with the skill level required of the employee dispatched to perform the work.The skill level required is determined by the line voltage typically serving the customer class. Customers taking service under Schedules 1 , 7, and 9 requesting reconnect ion during normal business hours will be charged $20.Customers taking service under Schedules 15, 19, 24, 25, 40 , 41, and 42 requesting reconnect ion during normal business hours will be charged $40.The higher fee for the latter schedules represents the required expertise the dispatched employee to work wi th the typically higher voltage at the point where service is reconnected.Exhibit No. 50, page 2 , details the derivation of these charges. Can reconnect ion service be obtained outside of normal business hours? Yes.The charges by rate schedule outlined on page 142 of Exhibit No. 48 include two additional block-hours and associated charges.The block-hour structure is the same as that currently in place. However the charges have been updated to reflect current 1155 DRAKE , DI Idaho Power Company costs. Please explain why the Company proposes the block-hour charges. 1156 DRAKE , DI Idaho Power Company As detailed on Exhibit No. 50 , page 2 , the charge has been updated in two ways; first, to delineate by the type of skilled employee required to perform the work and second, to recognize the higher cost to serve those customer requests for reconnection after normal working hours due to the overtime hourly rate paid to employees.In most cases, during the third block-hours of 9: 01 p. m. to 7: 29 a. m., two employees are dispatched for safety reasons.The proposed charges reflect the costs to serve the customer requests based on the time the customer requests service reconnect ion. In looking at the second and third block-hours for reconnection of customers taking service under Schedules 1 , 7 , and 9 on page 1 of Exhibit No. 50 , the current costs are slightly lower than the charges currently approved.Please explain why you are proposing the charges remain unchanged. Service provided during the after-hour time frames poses safety concerns for our employees.The Company proposes keeping the charges at their current level to encourage Reconnection Service during the lower-priced first block-hours. Are any changes made to the Termination Practices section? The Termination of Service provisionNo. 1157 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company remains unchanged from our current tariff.The provision states the termination practices as provided by the IPUC Utility Customer Rules and Regulations will be enforced. What updates have been made to the Field Collection provision? The Field Collection Charge is designed to recover the costs incurred when Company personnel are dispatched to terminate service and the Customer elects to make a payment or payment arrangement to the dispatched personnel to avoid termination. If the customer chooses not to pay the necessary amount to avoid termination , the dispatched Company personnel will perform the termination of service at no charge. The Field Collection Charge as detailed on page 1 of Exhibit No. 50, has been updated to account for the variation of skill level required of the employee dispatched to perform the work.The skill level required is determined by the line voltage typically serving the customer class. In his testimony on page 14 , Mr. Obenchain refers to an adjustment to other revenue to recognize additional revenue to be collected from the Service Establishment Charge, Service Reconnection Charge, and the Field Collection Charge.Would you please explain the basis for this adj ustment? Yes.Page 3 of Exhibit No. 50 details the 1158 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company difference in revenues from the current charges to the proposed charges. Other than consolidating the billing related items into one rule, are there any other changes to Rule , Billings? Yes.The Company is proposing to include a description of its policy dealing with checks or other payments returned non-paid by a customer's financial institution.The Company has an established returned check policy operated in conformance with the provisions of the Idaho Code , and includes notification of the applicable charge to customers on the monthly billing statement.By listing the Returned Check Charge within the Company s Rules and Regulations, the provision is clarified for customers and is easier to reference for PUC staff and Company employees.The corresponding Returned Check Charge of $20 is listed in Schedule 66 (page 142 of Exhibit No. 48). You mentioned earlier a new Rule L was developed to address customer deposits.In addition to creating a new Rule for deposits, has the criteria for deposits changed? Rule L was created to isolate and identify deposit provisions for residential, small commercial large commercial , and special contract customers.Other 1159 DRAKE , DI Idaho Power Company than moving the language from Rule F to Rule L, the provision for 1160 DRAKE DI Idaho Power Company residential and small commercial customers has not changed.However , the Company has elected to establish deposit criteria for large commercial customers and special contract customers as provided under IDAPA 31.21.01 Rule 601. Briefly describe the deposit criteria for existing large commercial and special contract customers. For existing commercial and special contract customers, a deposit may be required when the customer fails to make a payment on the due date or the current status of the customer I s business does not pass an obj ecti ve credit screen. What are the deposit condition criteria for new large commercial and special contract applicants? A deposit may be required for service if the applicant is applying for service for the first time, or the nature of the applicant's business is speculative or is the type of business that is subj ect to a high incidence of failure , or if the applicant has an outstanding prior service account debt with the Company. What is the proposed deposit amount? The requested deposit amount will not exceed two times the customer's actual or the applicant' estimated highest monthly bill and is payable in two installments. 1161 DRAKE , DI Idaho Power Company Why is the Company now seeking to implement the deposi t provision for large commercial and special 1162 DRAKE , DI lOa Idaho Power Company contract customers? In recent years , the Company has become increasingly exposed to the effects of certain businesses falling delinquent on paying their accounts and to an increased number of businesses claiming bankruptcy.Some instances have occurred where an existing business customer who has historically made consistent timely payments has filed for bankruptcy and ceased business. Even one month I s worth of unpaid billing can amount to a sizable impact on uncollectible amounts.For these reasons, the Company plans to implement deposit criteria for large commercial and special contract customers. Has the Commission previously approved similar deposit provisions for any other utility serving customers in Idaho? Yes.Utah Power and Light has a similar Commission approved provision 1 isted under Sheet No. 9R.2 in the UP&L tariff. Are there any other updates to non-recurring charges? Yes."Fractional Period Minimum Billings" specifies the minimum bill requirements for each service schedule when service is taken for a partial month.The minimum bill amounts have been updated to be more reflective of the costs associated with bill preparation. 1163 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company While the minimum bill amounts do not equal the total cost of preparing, producing, and delivering a bill and recording subsequent payments , they reflect a portion of those costs associated with providing service.The specific minimum bill amounts for each service schedule are detailed on page 143 of Exhibit No. 48. Please explain the proposed change to Rule Rule B , Definitions, includes clarification of what is considered to be a normal Billing Period.While a typical billing period is 30 days, the normal billing period is considered to be 27-33 days. Is 27-33 days new for a normal billing period? No.The Company has a long standing practice of considering a normal billing period to be 27-33 days. The Company proposes to add language to the definition so that this practice is explicitly stated. Is there any other change proposed to Rule B? Yes.The definition of Connected Load currently included in Rule B is pertinent only to Schedule 72.Therefore, the definition is moved to Schedule 72. Are any changes proposed to Rule D , Metering? The only proposed update is to state that the Company has the right to modify meter reading schedules as required by changing conditions.Certain events can 1164 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company trigger a meter reading schedule to be modified , such as holidays or the alignment of meter read routes for better operating efficiencies.The update to Rule D provides clarification to customers. Does this conclude your testimony? Yes. 1165 DRAKE, DI Idaho Power Company open hearing. (The following proceedings were had in MS. MOEN: cross-examination. Ms. Drake is available for COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Budge, do you No, I don' 1166 Thank you. Mr. Eddie. No questions. Mr. Purdy. None , thanks. Mr. Gollomp. Mr. Ward. No questions. Mr. Miller. Mr. Richardson. I hate to break the set, Well, I was beginning have questions? MR. BUDGE: COMMISSIONER SMITH: MR. EDDIE: COMMISSIONER SMITH: MR. PURDY: COMMISSIONER SMITH: MR. GOLLOMP:None. COMMISSIONER SMITH: MR. WARD: COMMISSIONER SMITH: MR. MILLER:Nor I. COMMISSIONER SMITH: MR. RICHARDSON: but I do , Madam Chairman. to be worried. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho COMMISSIONER SMITH: 83676 DRAKE Idaho Power Company CROSS - EXAMINATION BY MR. RI CHARDSON : Ms. Drake , you just noted that you're no longer senior pricing analyst, but you I re manager of customer relations and research? Correct. And it says in your prefiled testimony that your duties as manager , and I assume we're going to change senior pricing analyst to manager of customer relations and research , did your duties change when your position changed? The maj ori ty of my responsibilities, yes, but I still manage the Green Power Program as mentioned in my testimony. Okay, can you tell me how many people are enrolled in the Green Power Program? Yes, we have just over 1 800 customers enrolled in the program. And what's that equate in terms of a percentage penetration rate to the Company s total customer base? Approximately half of one percent. Do you have a goal or a target penetration rate? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1167 DRAKE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 One percent. When do you anticipate reaching that? We had hoped to already be there , but our program grows about 25 percent every spring season when we have a lot of promotional activities centered around Earth Day, which , as some of you know , is coming up next month , so we hope to grow that increasingly and get to one percent relatively soon. Do you have a marketing company or plan for Green Power for promoting it? Yes, we do. Can you describe that for us? Just in a general sense? In general. Our strategy for Green Power is to, first of all , since the program has started over the last three years is to educate all Idaho Power customers what Green resources are all about.A second-tiered strategy of that promotional piece would be to go after the target market of customers that we feel would be highly likely to subscribe to Green Power , which would be the residential segment as well as some business customers who are concerned with environmental affairs. Do you have a program for evaluating the effectiveness of your educational efforts? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1168 DRAKE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 I don I t know what you mean by "program. Do you have a method of analyzing how effective in a scientific or objective manner the effectiveness of your education program? One of the things we look at in subscribership to the program is how effective it has been in reaching those populations. So the question was relating to customers who aren't subscribing because, obviously, if they subscribing, then you've reached them somehow , but the customers who are not subscribers, do you have a method of determining how you effectively reach them in terms of getting the message out about your Green Power Program ike market research? We don't have plans to follow up and contact people if that's what you I re asking. Or sample? Pardon me? Not contact them, but just a sampling to see how your message got through to your customers? We don I t have plans to do that right now. Have you done a comparison on your one percent target to other utilities who are actively promoting Green programs for their customers , what some CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1169 DRAKE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 of the other utilities are able to achieve? For a penetration of subscribers in the Green Power Program, one percent is pretty standard among utilities that are offering Green pricing programs. There are a couple exceptional higher-tiered programs that have reached three to five percent, but that I s pretty unlikely and they're not located in the Pacific Northwest like we are. Why do you think that's unlikely to achieve a target of greater than one percent? Based on what other utilities have experienced across the nation, one percent seems to be a goal of most utilities that they try to attain for subscribership that I s within reason for people to join the program. Have you done an analysis of the demographics of which types of your customers are most likely to subscribe to Green Power? Yes. Could you briefly tell us what the results of that was? Obviously, I don't have those with me today, but if I can generalize That would be fine. - - most people subscribing to the program CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1170 DRAKE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 are females that are between the ages of 25 to 45 with children in the household. And have you personally been to any specialized training or seminars on how to promote the Green Power? Yes , I have. MR. RICHARDSON:Thank you.That's all I have, Madam Chairman. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you Mr. Richardson. Mr. Stutzman. MR. STUTZMAN:Thank you , Madam Chairman just a few questions. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. STUTZMAN Ms. Drake, at page 11, you talk about fractional period minimum billings and basically, that I s just a minimum bill that the customer receives that they take service for a partial month; right? Correct. Is a customer charge included as part of a fractional month bill? No, it is not., I'm sorry, could you CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1171 DRAKE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 repeat the question? Is the customer charge or service charge included as part of a fractional month bill?Is it a prorated amount? I think that would be a question better asked of Ms. Brilz. MR. STUTZMAN:Well , then perhaps you don't know the answer to the rest of my questions then ei ther.Tha ti s a 11 I have. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. S t u t zman . Do we have questions from the Commission? It appears not. Do you have redirect? MS. MOEN:No redirect , Madam Chair. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. THE WITNESS:Thank you. (The witness left the stand. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Would you 1 ike Ms. Drake to be excused? MS. MOEN:Yes, please.Thank you.Idaho Power would like to call Susan Fullen. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1172 DRAKE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 SUSAN J. FULLEN produced as a witness at the instance of the Idaho Power Company, having been first duly sworn , was examined and testified as follows: BY MS. MOEN: DIRECT EXAMINATION Ms. Fullen, would you please state your full name for the record? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho Susan J. Fullen. And in what position are you employed by Idaho Power Company? General manager , customer services and And have you previously filed written direct testimony on behalf of Idaho Power in this I have. Do you wish to make any corrections to that direct written testimony? No. And if I would ask you the questions that are included in that testimony, would you respond the metering. matter? same? 1173 FULLEN (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 Yes, I would. MS. MOEN:Madam Chair , I request that the prefiled direct testimony of Susan Fullen consisting of 26 pages, along with Exhibits 51 to 60 be spread on the record as if read in its entirety and that the exhibits be marked for identification. is so ordered. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Without objection , it (The following prefiled direct testimony of Ms. Susan Fullen is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1174 FULLEN (D i Idaho Power Company83676 Please state your name , address, and present occupation. My name is Susan J. Fullen.My business address is 1221 West Idaho Street, Boise , Idaho.I am General Manager of Customer Services and Metering for Idaho Power Company. What is your educational background? In 1988 I received a Bachelor of Science in Management Technology from Lewis-Clark State College, and in 1991 I received a Master of Business Administration from Portland State University.I am currently enrolled in the Doctor of Business Administration Program at the Uni versi ty of Phoenix. Please outline your experience with Idaho Power Company. In July of 1980, I began my career with Idaho Power as a Collections Clerk in Hailey, Idaho.Shortly after that I relocated to the Southern Division headquarters in Twin Falls and became a Customer Service Representati ve.In 1982 I was promoted to Customer Service Supervisor in the Boise Customer Service Department.In 1983 , I relocated back to Twin Falls and was a Customer Service Representative until 1985 when was again promoted to Customer Service Supervisor. 1987 I was promoted to Assistant Division Accounting 1175 FULLEN , D Idaho Power Company Manager in the Idaho Power Western Division.In 1991 I was promoted to the Ontario District Manager position and in 1992 I was promoted to the Southern Division Accounting Manager.From November of 1994 through August of 1995 I was assigned to work on the Distribution Department reorganization.In September of 1995 , I was promoted to Manager of Energy Services of the Eastern Region.In 1997 , my title was changed to Area Manager of the Southern Region.In 1999, I was promoted to Customer Services Manager.In 2002, I was promoted to my current position of General Manager of Customer Services and Metering.In this position , I oversee the customer care operations , the customer information system , the billing processes , including metering, the demand-side management acti vi ties , and the customer relations and research activities.I have been active in the Edison Electric Institute Customer Services Organization, serving as the Chair for this committee in 2002. What is the purpose of your testimony in this proceeding? I will describe customer service and community relations' developments since Idaho Power's last general rate case. How have the Company's customer service operations changed since the last general rate case? 1176 FULLEN DI Idaho Power Company The evolution of technology, improved processes within the Company, and the change in customer lifestyles have required Idaho Power to implement a new business model that better serves customers.That model includes changes that are identified as:(1) a move to centralized customer care transactions (2) the installation of a new customer information system (3) additional payment options,(4) 24 hours a day, 7 days a week access to account information (5) improved outage management and communication systems,(6) improved customer service systems throughout the Company I s service territory,(7 ) demonstrated performance of our metering and billing (8) improved facility siting processsystems (9 ) enhancements to community involvement activities (10) addi tional customer assistance programs ( 11 ) renewed focus on demand - side management programs,(12) increased use of benchmarking and performance monitoring, and (13) continual emphasis on customer satisfaction measurements. I will elaborate on each of these changes. Please describe the move to centralized business transactions. Prior to the establishment of the Customer Service Center in 1994, Idaho Power operated with approximately 31 District Offices.These offices individually performed customer service functions. 1177 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company Those functions included taking and processing cash payments, work 1178 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company associated with customer movement, billing, credit and collections , answering outage and trouble calls, and the administrative aspects of new construction.Offices operated Monday through Friday from 8: 00 AM. to 5: 00 PM with smaller offices closing at noon.The difficulties with this type of operation at Idaho Power were:(1 ) limited office hours (2) high operating expenses to maintain the offices (3) difficult and costly deployment of customer service technology across 31 locations,(4 ) maintaining consistency in operations,(5) multiple phone contacts for customers needing to conduct business with more than one Idaho Power district office, and (6) inability to effectively measure and track performance because of a lack of technology to capture the data. In order to address these issues, in 1993 Idaho Power embarked on a transition to a more centralized operation beginning with the closing of the Shoshone district office.This transition continued over several years and has benefited our customers in a number of ways. The benefits our customers experience from the new approach include:(1) expanded full service business office hours of 7:30 AM to 6:30 PM , Monday through Friday,(2) a single phone number for customers in the Treasure Valley and a toll-free 800 number for customers 1179 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company outside the Treasure Valley calling area,(3) consistency in service and 1180 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company information regarding our policies and procedures, and (4) prompt service with over 80 percent of our inbound calls answered within 30 seconds. The Customer Service Center employs a well-trained staff with specific customer service skills and uses state of the art technology.Idaho Power monitors calls for quality and to provide on-going training support to personnel.All Customer Service Representatives (CSRs) have defined standard performance expectations. performance management system is utilized that provides feedback to ensure that our customers receive superior customer service. Idaho Power employs bi-lingual CSRs that provide native language service to the Company s Spanish-speaking customers.Addi tionally, we provide an outside language line service to help Idaho Power communicate with other non-English speaking customers. How has Idaho Power's Customer Information System changed since the last general rate case? In November of 2000, the Company installed a new Customer Information System (CIS) that provides many enhancements for customers as well as improved access to customer information for our CSRs, thus increasing our ability to be responsive.Bill presentation has been improved for easier customer understanding.The system 1181 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company is available nearly 24 hours a day, 7 days a week , and facilitates the use of self-service technologies such as Interactive Voice Response Units and integration with the Internet.Single account number and enhanced rate option capability, integrated trouble orders, and improved customer relationship management documentation are now standard. The new CIS enables the Company to combine service at multiple locations into one bill for the customer. Residential and Small General Service accounts can be combined for Budget Pay purposes.Large General Service customers can combine all of their commercial services into one bill.One such customer has over 100 accounts combined into one bill. The new system also allows for a summary of all services to be displayed on the first page of the bill and for the printing of informative messages to customers directly on the bill. Another CIS improvement is the ability to retain permanent customer records.Now , when a customer is added to the customer system, his or her information is not deleted if he or she moves.Should that customer leave Idaho Power and then subsequently return to our service territory, his or her previous history can be retrieved. 1182 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company The system also has the ability to track all customers having service at a specific premises over time, or to track every service any specific customer has had on 1183 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company i 1 our system in the past.This increased availability of information can assist in improving our response time in communicating with the customer. Should a customer I s bill need to be revised or recalculated, the new system automatically calculates and prints a new bill , thus avoiding the manual calculations that were performed in the past. Also , the new CIS provides customers with the opportunity to have duplicate bills and notices sent to a third party of their choice. Please describe additional payment options provided by the Company. Idaho Power offers various payment options to customers including 61 pay stations dispersed throughout the Idaho service territory, electronic funds transfer automatic deduction from the customer's bank account, internet payment options , payment by mail , check by phone, and credit card payments. How has Idaho Power improved retail customer access to account information? Idaho Power provides customers with account information through an Interactive Voice Response Unit (IVRU) that allows customers to access their account information nearly 24 hours a day, 7 days per week.The IVRU provides customers with the capability to make 1184 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company payment arrangements, retrieve billing, payment, and meter reading information , sign up for Budget Pay, and access conservation and usage information.Idaho Power I telephone menu has been recognized by Enterprise Integration Group as "above average" for both the utility industry and call center industry for overall quality, voice quality, information delivery, user friendliness, and ease of operation.Idaho Power's telephone menu scores are shown on Exhibit 51 , a one-page exhibit enti tled "Idaho Power Overall Score" Has Idaho Power also improved its outage management and communication systems? Yes.Ten years ago Idaho Power I s outage management system was not an integrated system. consisted of separate dispatch centers with limited telephone lines and limited use of technology to convey information.Although 24 hours a day, 7 days a week coverage was available, it was often staffed by only one person with multiple urgent activities to respond to while keeping the electrical distribution system operational.The ability to provide relevant customer information was limited until additional help arrived. Idaho Power had no system to contact customers prior to a planned outage, and very little technology to identify an outage location unless customers called to tell us they 1185 FULLEN, D Idaho Power Company were out of service.Today, Idaho Power provides 24 hour a day, 7 days a week coverage for 1186 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company outage calls.The IVRU provides up to date information for up to 144 customers simultaneously.In case of unplanned outages, the Company has at least one customer service specialist available at all times (along with dispatch personnel), a monitoring system that notifies the Company of outages, and a state of the art outage management system that identifies outages by locations. Additionally, there is an outbound calling system to inform customers of planned outages prior to their occurrence. Among 75 utilities, Idaho Power was ranked tenth in the nation in a 2003 national survey conducted by J. D. Powers and Associates in the outage notification category.Exhibi t 52, a one-page exhibit entitled Providing Outage Information - Top Rated Utilities" shows the ratings for the top-rated utilities in this category. How does Idaho Power provide customer service outside of the Customer Service Center? Idaho Power has operation centers throughout the service territory to build , operate, and maintain its transmission and distribution facilities.These centers are open Monday through Friday for general business acti vi ties primarily related to the lines operations. Idaho Power manages its operations to respond to 1187 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company emergency situations 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and is staffed at designated locations throughout the service 1188 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company terri tory to ensure quick response, as well as a presence within the communities it serves. As stated earlier , Idaho Power provides 61 pay stations serving 37 communities throughout the Idaho service territory to receive cash payments.In addition, each of the operation centers has a drop box available for check or money order payments.The operation centers also provide assistance to customers (via a direct telephone line to our customer service center) for most customer inquiries, and can direct customers to the appropriate personnel for other inquiries. Idaho Power also has representatives staffed locally within the regions to accommodate customers at their home or business.Personal assistance is available for customers in all rate classes regarding billing inquiries, energy efficiency programs, power quality, and other inquiries best accommodated through face-to-face communication. Collection and service connection activities are performed out of the regional offices, and personnel are available 24 hours a day to respond to these requests. In addition , meter reading acti vi ties allow for personal interaction at the customer I s premises.Idaho Power strives to provide information to all its employees in order to respond to customers' inquiries through any ofthese interactions. 1189 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company Large industrial and commercial customers have a dedicated representative who actively manages their accounts.The representative is charged with ensuring that these customers are aware of any planned outages and changes to their service. How well are your metering and billing systems performing? Idaho Power I s systems are performing very well. Even though our service territory is more rural than most , the Company cost per meter read is comparable to the EEI average (see Exhibit 53 entitled "Cost Per Meter Read" ) . The Company's meter reading accuracy rate is 99.8 percent.Additionally, Idaho Power' system-estimated meter reads , corrected meter reads , and meter reread requests are minimal as indicated by Exhibit , entitled "Meter Reading Quality" In addition to the direct customer service activities previously described, has Idaho Power made improvements in the way it interacts with the communities it serves? Yes.The Company has implemented an improved facility siting process , it maintains an active community relations program , and provides substantial corporate and employee contributions of both time and money. Please describe Idaho Power I s improved 1190 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company distribution and transmission facility siting process. In 2002 , Idaho Power substantially revised its new distribution and transmission facility siting process to more actively promote community participation and gather public input.The primary obj ecti ves of this process are to develop, publish, and share long range plans with jurisdictional authorities and customers in order to foster an understanding of the facilities needed to meet electricity needs, to purchase substation sites, and to acquire transmission rights in advance of the need and before physical development in a given area overtakes our ability to economically provide necessary infrastructure.The overall goal is to ensure that we provide the needed infrastructure in a timely fashion and in a manner that is compa t ibl e wi th communi t y needs. How else is Idaho Power involved with the communities it serves? Idaho Power continues to work with our communi ties and to encourage employee participation in local activities.Idaho Power has five community relations representatives and five community education representatives dedicated to working with the communities and schools to:(1) educate the public on energy usage electrical safety, hydroelectric relicensing, and rate-related issues,(2) pl an and manage growth , and (3) 1191 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company to promote the local economies. In addition , Idaho Power contributed over $640,000 in 2002 to community, civic, health, educational , and other non-profit organizations.These contributions are made on behal f of our shareholders and are not part of our current rate request. The Company's employees are among the most giving in the region in both time and contributions.Idaho Power employees, families , and friends have a maj or impact in volunteering with several community projects and they have set the standard for several events.Idaho Power employees have consistently raised the most money per employee for Idaho Public TV and have had the highest employee participation rate for years.Company employees have raised the most money for the American Heart Association Heart Walk for 2002 and 2003.Idaho Powe established a Boise citywide record in 2002 with Rake Up Boise, a program of the Neighborhood Housing Services, Inc., by raking 45 yards of senior citizens.Idaho Power has also provided energy boxes to the more than 600 homes of senior citizens whose yards were raked.The energy boxes contained a florescent light bulb , an energy calculator and information on efficient use of energy. Company employees tied the record at four homes in 2003 for most homes painted as part of Paint the Town , a 1192 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company program of the Neighborhood Housing Services, Inc., which paints the homes of economically disadvantaged senior citizens and disabled persons.Idaho Power also participates in similar paint proj ects in Pocatello and in Malheur County, Oregon. In November and December , employees participate in "Take a Turkey to Work Day" which distributes turkeys, hams, and other food items to the Idaho Food Bank and other food distribution agencies throughout Idaho Power' service area.Idaho Power employees also participate in numerous civic and community organizations , Chamber of Commerce events, scouting groups, and fund raisers. What has Idaho Power Company done to assist low-income customers? Idaho Power has actively promoted and managed the collection of contributions from customers for Proj ect Share and has made direct corporate contributions in the amount of $25 000 per year from 1999 through 2003 as well as an extra $100,000 was contributed during the recent high energy cost years.In addition , for each dollar that is collected via customer contributions, Idaho Power adds 10 percent to that amount for Salvation Army proj ect Share administrative costs.Our regulatory department has informed me that proj ect Share contributions are not part of the Company I s rate request. 1193 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company In addition to Project Share, Idaho Power has spent approximately $252 000 per year for Idaho's Low Income Weatherization Assistance (LIWA) program since 1989. Like the proj ect Share Program, these funds were also supplemented during the energy crisis.LIWA expenses are included in existing rates and continue to be included in the current rate request.Besides its assistance to low- income famil ies , LIWA activities provide conservation benefits to all customers and the Company. Please describe the Company s efforts in the area of conservation or demand-side management (DSM) since 1994. Idaho Power has been engaged in some form of DSM acti vi ties since the last general rate case, although the emphasis , delivery mechanisms , and rate recovery have changed throughout the decade. In the early 1990s, deferred accounting was used for conservation programs and they initially appeared on the utility I s books as regulatory assets.Recovery of DSM expenditures was deferred until regulatory authorization to begin amortizing the accumulated balances could be obtained and appropriate rates could be put into effect. At first, annual expenditures for energy efficiency rose steadily from $1.9 million in 1990 to a peak of $6. million in 1994.Please see Exhibit 55 for a summary of 1194 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company DSM spending from 1990 to 2002.In the last half of the decade 1195 FULLEN, DI 15a Idaho Power Company when it appeared that deregulation and increased competi tion might jeopardize the recovery of regulatory assets, the Company, with Commission approval, began winding down the traditional Company-administered DSM programs, and instead joined the Northwest Energy Efficiency Alliance (NEEA) to promote regional market transformation.Annual expenditures for energy efficiency activities declined to $1.6 million by 2000. However , then came the California energy crisis that had dramatic ripple effects throughout the west including extraordinarily high wholesale market prices in 2000 and 2001.One of the reactions to these high energy prices was a renewed focus on DSM activities.In 2002, the Company, with Commission approval , established the Energy Efficiency Advisory Group (EEAG) and implemented the Energy Efficiency Rider that exists today.The rider is Schedule 91 of the Company's Idaho Tariffs. Since 2002, in addition to its continued participation in the NEEA, the Company has worked closely with the EEAG in reestablishing a broader portfolio of DSM acti vi ties at Idaho Power.Material progress has been made.The Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) and the Energy Star room air-conditioning pilot program have been successfully completed.Ongoing energy efficiency programs for residential customers includes the 1196 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company air-conditioner cycling pilot program , Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) CFL packets, BPA Energy Check-ups, and BPA Super Good Cents/Energy Star manufactured homes incentives.Idaho Power's ongoing commercial programs are the school building operator training initiative conducted in partnership with the Northwest Building Operators Association and Air Care Plus Program , which is a Heating, Ventilating, and Air Conditioning Efficiency Program.We are currently implementing new programs for irrigation efficiency and for industrial efficiency. Addi tionally, we have a new residential construction program , a new commercial program for both existing and new construction , and a BPA program for multi-family construction in the planning stages. What is the purpose of the Northwest Energy Efficiency Alliance and how does it benefit Idaho Power customers? Idaho Power was one of the founders of the NEEA and has been a funder and an active participant since it's inception in 1997.NEEA I S mission is to catalyze the Northwest marketplace to embrace energy efficient products and services.This mission is accomplished through a portfolio of projects that works to generate financial return for consumers in the region by encouraging the acceptance of energy-efficient products 1197 FULLEN , DI 1 7 Idaho Power Company and services in the marketplace.This acceptance, in turn, will transform 1198 FULLEN , DI 17a Idaho Power Company markets in the region so that consumers purchase these products as a normal part of their buying habits. The primary benefit to Idaho Power customers is low-cost electricity savings.In 2002 alone, the NEEA has saved 45 average megawatts (aMW) in the region at a cost of about a penny per kilowatt-hour.NEEA estimates that Idaho Power customers have saved about 3 aMW of this energy.The savings have come about through the availability of more energy-efficient products in Idaho stores , through the adoption of newer efficient technologies and through education of customers on the ways to be more efficient. The following are examples of benefits provided to our customers over the past year facilitated by the coordination between NEEA-supported proj ects and Idaho Power. Compact fluorescent light bulb sales from the coupon promotion with local retailers totaled 42 642 (as of February 2003) .We expect approximately 2.8 million kilowatt-hours saved each year for utility customers. The year 2002 closed with a market penetration of ENERGY STAR clothes washers of 27.52 percent in the state of Idaho, up from 11.47 percent during first quarter 2001. In November 2002 , the Northwest Building 1199 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company Operators Association launched a Level 1 training series for 1200 FULLEN , DI 18a Idaho Power Company Building Operator Certification in partnership with Idaho Power.As a result , 27 school operators were certified from 25 school districts within the Idaho Power service terri tory.The estimated savings from these 25 school districts is 750,000 kilowatt-hours annually. One NEEA measure, termed " commissioning", is the act of providing documented confirmation that building systems function in compliance with design cri terion.By incorporating commissioning into the construction of the Ada County Courthouse proj ect in downtown Boise, the project is expected to use 20- percent less energy than if it had moved ahead without commissioning.The measure is saving about 460,000 kilowatt-hours per year at the 340 000 square-foot building. The 2000 International Energy Code, which includes the International Energy Conservation Code, was adopted in the state of Idaho in March 2002.NEEA contributed to this process through funding of liaison work, city and county education , and training for archi tects, engineers, and inspectors.Estimated additional costs to the residential sector will be $12. million , with a return-on-investment of $20.5 million in energy savings.On the non-residential side, the additional cost of $713 000 will result in $4.3 million 1201 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company in energy savings. Woodgrain Millwork , with plants in Fruitland 1202 FULLEN, DI 19a Idaho Power Company and Nampa , has launched a complete motor inventory of their more than 500 motors and replaced some with energy efficient models.The replacement of just one 250 horsepower motor with a higher efficiency model has resulted in an annual electric savings of $600 a year for the company.The potential savings of upgrading the efficiency of the 500 motors as they fail is $300 000 a year. Henggeler Packaging in Fruitland , Henningsen in Twin Falls, and Idacold Storage in Nampa are saving over a million kilowatt-hours a year because of variable frequency drive installations in their fruit and cold storage facilities.That translates to about $50 000 annually for these companies. The city of Emmett , Idaho is saving over $37 000 a year in net operations costs at its wastewater treatment plant because of efficiency improvements insti tuted there by BacGen. Idaho also benefits from the NEEA's research into new innovative products and services.In addition, the NEEA brings together regional energy efficiency players in a collaborative effort so that ideas and methods can be shared.The NEEA provides a background and structure for Idaho Power to implement local delivery programs so that Idaho Power can bring DSM programs to customers 1203 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company faster and largely developed. Idaho Power continues to actively participate on the NEEA Board and will be evaluating continued participation once the present term expires in 2004. Is Idaho Power participating in other conservation acti vi ties? The Company has participated in Bonneville Power Administration's Conservation and Renewables Discount since 2001.This program will deploy $525,600 annually for programs targeted to Idaho low-income residential customers through 2006. How does DSM fit into the Company I s planning process? The Company has submitted its 2002 Integrated Resource Plan (IRP) that identifies demand-side resources as a part of the overall resource portfolio.The 2002 IRP viewed demand-side activities as an alternative to help address future system deficiencies.At the same time, the document cautioned that conservation and demand-side measures must be carefully targeted to cost-effectively address the projected deficits due to the nature and timing of the proj ected peak deficits and transmission overloads. Idaho Power is actively engaged in the development of its 2004 IRP.It is my understanding, from 1204 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company discussions with Mr. Gale and Mr. Said, that this 2004 process will place a greater emphasis on a more collaborati ve approach 1205 FULLEN, DI 21a Idaho Power Company than has been the case in recent IRP efforts.The process change is driven by the changing energy environment and by Commission direction.It is also my understanding that DSM activities will be evaluated and integrated with supply- side acti vi ties in the 2004 IRP. What is Idaho Power Company s corporate position with respect to conservation or DSM? In light of the changes in our industry, and the political , and regulatory landscape, Idaho Power has developed a new policy direction for demand-side This policy focuses on four core values:management.(1 ) customer efficiency and satisfaction,(2) resource planning and acquisition (3) environmental ethics and stewardship, and (4) responsibility to all stakeholders. Idaho Power will pursue a balanced approach to DSM program selection that reflects these four core values. Is the Company truly committed to pursuing that goal? Yes.I have fully reviewed our DSM activities and plans with senior management and have the complete support of Mr. Keen and the rest of the Idaho Power' executive management team. Does Idaho Power conduct benchmarking with other utilities and measure its customer service performance? 1206 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company Yes.Idaho Power actively monitors its Customer Service Key Performance to ensure that excellent customer service is provided.One key performance indicator is "Automated Call Distribution" Service Level. Exhibit 56 shows Idaho Power's performance in this area. Exhibit 57 is a "Call Handle Time Comparison" between Idaho Power and the 2002 average of EEI-surveyed companies.Exhibit 58, entitled "Call Volume", is a breakdown of the number of calls handled by the customer service interactive voice response (CSIVR) unit, the outage interactive voice response (Outage IVR) unit, and customer service representatives calls (CSR calls) The customer care operation also benchmarks with peer utilities by utilizing the Edison Electric Insti tute 's DataSource Tool , which provides operating data from 63 energy companies across the nation.This data indicates that the Company performs at a level comparable with or above our peers.A comprehens i ve breakdown of all of Idaho Power's benchmark statistics, that indicate how the Company performs in the areas of customer calls and billing and payment statistics, incl uded in my workpapers. Does Idaho Power survey its cus tomers for levels of customer satisfaction and , if so, what are the results of those surveys? 1207 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company Yes , it does.Idaho Power relies primarily on two studies for customer satisfaction measurement.Idaho Power has contracted with Burke Customer Satisfaction Associates (CSA) to conduct quarterly customer relationship surveys since 1995.In addition to the Burke CSA surveys , Idaho Power acquires the results of the annual J.D. Powers and Associates Electric Utility Residential Customer Satisfaction Study.The J. D. Powers and Associates study is used primarily as a benchmark to other electric utilities. During the 2000-2001 energy crisis, Idaho Power' satisfaction levels dropped in tandem with those of other western utilities.Upon implementation of the Company new business model, Idaho Power began to experience improved customer satisfaction ratings from all customer segments.Idaho Power's customer satisfaction has steadily improved since 2001 and Idaho Power is hoping to exceed pre-energy crisis satisfaction levels. Idaho Power's primary measure for customer satisfaction in the Burke CSA surveys is the Customer Relationship Index (CRI).The CRI encompasses responses from all customer segments to five questions related to overall satisfaction, overall quality, overall value, likelihood to recommend, and Idaho Power's caring.Bur ke CSA's most recent survey results show Idaho Power's CRI 1208 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company at 82 percent which indicates a higher level of satisfaction than at any other time since Burke CSA has been conducting 1209 FULLEN , DI 24a Idaho Power Company surveys for Idaho Power.According to this report, not only has Idaho Power improved its customer satisfaction level in every customer segment, but Idaho Power is also approaching customer satisfaction levels of what Burke CSA considers a "Superior Performing Firm"See Exhibi t 59, which includes a "Summary of Overall Measures and Customer Relationship Index for Idaho Power" and "Strength of Customer Satisfaction" In addition to the Burke CSA studies, J. D. Powers and Associates also surveys Idaho Power customers in its annual Electric Utility Residential Customer Satisfaction Study.In 1999, Idaho Power was ranked second in the nation and tied for first in the western region in the J. D. Powers and Associates' customer satisfaction study. In the 2002 study, Idaho Power was reclassified as a medium-sized utility along with eighteen other utilities that have between 250,000 and 400,000 residential customers.The 2003 survey results indicate that Idaho Power rated eighth in the nation in the medium-sized utility group and was first among northwest utilities. (See Exhibit 60).The 2003 J.D. Powers and Associates study shows Idaho Power providing significantly high levels of customer satisfaction in the areas of Customer Service, Billing and Payment Options, Power Quality and Reliability (especially regarding keeping customers 1210 FULLEN, DI Idaho Power Company informed about an outage), Company Image, and Price and Val ue .Idaho Power is pleased with our current customer satisfaction performance and remains committed to providing superior service to our customers. Does this conclude your direct testimony in this case? Yes , it does. 1211 FULLEN , DI Idaho Power Company open hearing. (The following proceedings were had in MS. MOEN:Ms. Fullen is available for cross-examination. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Okay, Mr. Budge, do you have questions? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho MR. BUDGE:No questions. Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Eddie. BY MR. EDDIE: MR . EDD IE:I do have a few questions. CROSS - EXAMINATION Ms. Fullen, could you turn to page 22 of your testimony, please? Okay. You note at about line , it I s line 14 that the values expressed in the Company I s demand side management policy include "responsibility to all Are IDACORP shareholders among those Yes , they are. Do you agree - - well, as well as customers of Idaho Power are stakeholders as well.Would you agree stakeholders. " stakeholders? 1212 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 that shareholders of IDACORP generally are interested in one thing which is demonstration of profitability by the Company? Well, while I would say that ownership in a company that that is a primary goal , but I would also say that as a personal shareholder , I I m concerned with the social responsibility that a company also has and therefore , I would say that it's not entirely based on profit. Maybe not entirely, but primarily? That would be probably a matter of opinion. Do you agree that most shareholders would be primarily interested in or would be concerned, perhaps not opposed,but definitely concerned about programs that would tend to reduce sales by Idaho Power? Well again guess I would have to say that I think it has to be balanced. Well , you don't see Bill Gates promoting conservation programs for the Windows operating system. That would be true. Would you agree there's somewhat of an inherent conflict expressed in the demand side management policy that you reflected in your testimony at page 22 because there is an interest to serve shareholders and CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1213 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 their profit motive while also serving ratepayers of Idaho Power? Well , I don't view that there is a conflict and the reason for that is because we look at the DSM programs under a cost-effectiveness premise; therefore , it is more cost effective to deploy demand side management; therefore, it's best for the shareholder in that regard, also. If a cost-effective program was to reduce Idaho Power's sales by just, say, five percent, would that - - that would tend to decrease Idaho Power' profitability, wouldn't it? That could. And therefore , that type of a program would tend to be not in the interest of shareholders? I would say that's a possibility. Okay, thank you.Changing subj ects briefly, in your view and your experience over the years dealing with Idaho Power customers, is it your experience that customers like to have the ability, the control over their electric bill amount in the sense that if they were to reduce consumption, they could reduce that bill amount? Yes, I would say so. MR. EDDIE:Thank you.Nothing further. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1214 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 THE WITNESS:You're welcome. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Purdy, do you have questions? MR. PURDY:Thank you.Yeah , most of my questions are probably better asked on rebuttal , but I do have a few. CROSS -EXAMINATION BY MR. PURDY: Ms. Fullen , am I to understand that your background with Idaho Power has primarily been in the areas of customer relations and accounting? , actually, I think that would be incorrect.My background of almost 24 years , I started as a customer service representative.I have worked across the service territory in several different capaci ties, again starting as a customer service representative working in the customer service area being a district manager , a regional manager , a division accounting manager , so it's been fairly diverse. Okay, and in that array of roles and functions , could you tell us what your involvement specifically with the low income weatherization assistance program has been and if we could refer to that CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1215 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 as LIWA , that would help move things along? Sure.It has been up until the last couple of years , I would say, on the fringe area of that, being aware of that , but wi thin the last couple of years, I have actually been responsible for the management of that area as a general manager , not as a program manager. Okay, and when you use the words that area," are you specifically referring to LIWA' s program? Yes. All right , and isn't it true that you are the only Company witness that has offered any testimony in this case pertaining to LIWA? I believe that's true. And for the most part, that was done in your rebuttal testimony; correct? That is correct , although it is addressed in my direct testimony. Yeah , and if you could let me, I promise you I'll get to that. Okay. But before we do that, I thought it might be helpful if you could just very briefly explain to those that might not know already essentially how LIWA CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1216 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 funct ions. Because my experience has been just wi thin the last two years under the general management , I believe that Mr. Gale may actually be better to represent that part because he has been engaged in it for a longer period of time. Okay, is Mr. Gale - - I think you used the words "program manager " a moment ago, is there a program manager for LIWA? Yes, there is. Who is that person? At this moment we're transi tioning that. It was John Roholt for the last few years and is now going to reside within our demand side management team being overseen by Darlene Nemnich. All right, when will that transition take place? It's in the process right now. Is it fair to say currently LIWA doesn have a program manager? , no, it certainly does.We are actively overseeing that. All right; so I guess to backtrack just a moment , you don I t - - am I to understand that you do not understand personally how LIWA functions, how it' CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company 1217 83676 funded, how the monies are spent? I believe I may be able to answer that part.As far as the actual program , I I m not deeply involved in that, but -- Would you please tell us what you do know about how LIWA functions? Okay, what I do know is that the LIWA funding is part of our general rates and that was decided several years ago in a previous order and that we make a -- we manage 212 , $250 000 a year of LIWA funds that we do a - - we match 50 percent as a rule towards other weatherization programs that are managed by governmental offices. So in other words, Idaho Power contributes a certain amount of funds to weatherization , to LIWA? Right. And those funds are matched 50 percent by other governmental entities; is that what you said? Yes. What generally are the types of weatherization expenditures and measures that LIWA seeks to incorporate into housing? I believe that's addressed in my rebuttal. MR. PURDY:All right.At this point, may CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1218 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 I approach, Madam Chair? documents. ) COMMISSIONER SMITH:Certainly. MR. PURDY:Thank you. (Mr. Eddie & Mr. Purdy distributing MR. PURDY:And this will be Community Action Partnership Association of Idaho I s Exhibit 809, I bel ieve . (Community Action Partnership of Idaho Exhibit 809 was marked for identification. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho BY MR. PURDY:Ms. Fullen, I've handed you what's been marked as Community Action Partnership Association of Idaho's Exhibit 809.Do you recogni ze that document? Yes, I do. What does it -- what is it titled on the Demand-Side Management at Idaho Power , A Business Plan , 2003 through 2005. Can you tell us very briefly what this cover page? Yes, this lays out our strategy and our plans for implementation of DSM programs throughout Idaho Power during this time frame.It puts in place the structure for managing the programs. document is? 1219 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 So this is something other than an IRP so that we understand? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Yes. This is DSM specific? Yes. All right , given that it's now 2004 , we' about at the midway point for your time line here, do you have a new plan that you've issued yet similar to this We do not have a new business plan. have recently submitted the DSM report to the All right, that was not done during the course of this proceeding; correct? That was done wi thin the last, about the last, 15 days , actually.It was due on March 15th or right around there. By virtue of a Commission Order stemming from another proceeding; correct? Yes. All right , now , to sidetrack for just a moment, if you would turn to page 15 of your direct testimony, please. Yes. On line 1 you state that Idaho Power, and one? Commission. 1220 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 you have to , I guess , start on the page before , page 14, you state on line 25, "In addition to Project Share, Idaho Power has spent approximately $252 000 per year for LIWA since 1989"; is that right? m sorry, what page did you say you were on? Well , I hope we don't have the pagination problem, but for my copy, it I S your direct testimony, pages 14 and 15. , okay, I'm sorry, that you were referring to the - - okay, yes. So you state that the average annual expenditures since 1989 has been approximately $252 000 for LIWA? Yes. All right.Now , if you 'd look at Exhibit 809, and at the back of that document there are two attachments , I had to have them reduced in size.They were expanded pages, so it's a little hard to read, but down near the bot tom under the heading Programs in Existing Rates, do you see that in the left-hand column? Yes. All right, and beneath that there's a number of 1 ine items.One includes LIWA , Oregon and CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1221 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 Idaho, do you see that? Yes. That shows a budgeted figure - - well , I guess it's called actual and forecasted - - in the amount of $232,000 for the years 2003 through 2005; right? That is correct. So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to jive that $232 000 which includes Idaho Power's Oregon customers with the $259,000 annual expenditure or investment that you purport the Company makes in LIWA. I think some of that difference could be within the administrative cost and what actually happens is the allowance towards that is not counted within this amount.We spend money towards the program and then we also pay for that administration of the program. How do you pay for the administration of the program? Well , again , I believe that's in my rebuttal testimony. Okay, you don I t make - - you don I t break that out between administrative costs and actual program funding in your direct testimony? That would be correct. All right , let me ask you this:Is Idaho Power proposing a cutback in LIWA funding? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1222 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 No, they are not. Okay, the Company is intending to continue on with the program? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho Yes, we are. Al though you've not proposed any changes in terms of funding in this case; is that right? That's correct. All right, and even though Mr. Lohol t or m sorry, Rohol t is no longer in charge of the program, there will be a staff person assigned to be program Yes. If you could just turn briefly to page 27 of Exhibit 809 , that appears to be a listing of Idaho Power s current DSM staffing resources; correct? That's correct. All right, and you ve already indicated that Mr. Rohol t is no longer an employee of the No, he is an employee of the Company. Okay. He I S reporting into another area at the He's out of DSM? Yes, yes. manager of LIWA? Company? moment. 1223 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 Any other changes in this list of personnel? Yes, actually, there is.We have recently hired an engineer , not that that necessarily replaces Mr. Roholt because his primary responsibility was the PQ engineer.There is an industrial program manager and his name is Randy Thorpe. m sorry, Randy who? Thorpe. Thorpe, okay, and again , his role will be what? Program manager , DSM program manager. For all the DSM? Yes.Because the DSM is rather program specific, we have program managers that can cross over into different areas. Okay.MR. PURDY:Madam Chair, I now have just a couple of questions about a response to a production request that Community Action submitted to Idaho Power and depending on the pleasure of Idaho Power's counsel , they could either provide their own response or I've made a copy for the witness to look at. MR. KLINE:I think we probably brought along. MR. PURDY:ve got a copy, Bart , either CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1224 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 way. MR. KLINE:That's fine. MR. PURDY:Okay. (Mr. Purdy approached the witness. MR. PURDY:And for the time being, don't think it's necessary to make this an exhibit.I'll just ask a few questions. BY MR. PURDY:Do you recognize what I' just handed to you, Ms. Fullen? Yes, I do. And what is that? This is the response to a production request from the Community Action Partnership CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho Okay, and would you please turn to page 2 of that document? Okay. Now , just to jump ahead, down below , you are listed as somebody who participated in the response to this production request; is that right? Yes. Okay, is it fair to say that in this Association. production request, Community Action Partnership asked you to provide how much funding Idaho Power has made in LIWA from the years 1989 to present, along with the 1225 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 Company I S gross operating revenues for those same years; is that right? That would be correct. Okay, and in looking at that , in Idaho Power's response to request No. lA , is it fair to state CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho that LIWA funding has over the course of the years since 1989 to present decreased somewhat? m sorry, would you restate that, please? You bet.Is it fair to characterize Idaho Power's annual LIWA funding as having decreased over the years 1989 to, it looks like last year is 203 , I assume That would be correct. Okay. But the answer to your question is I I m not sure I would categorize that it has decreased Well , we have in the years 1990 , we have a funding level of 328 000, some change;, 92'91, 337,000; 245,000;93, almost 300 000; and in recent years, in 2001, we did have a high of 331 , but then we dropped down I guess I'm just asking you is the and now you ve proj ected that annual funding will be more in the $250,000 range , are we trending down? MS. MOEN:Susan , before you answer, that's 2003? substantially. to 187 and 278. 1226 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 think we need to clarify, there was a supplemental response filed on or about March 23rd and, for example, the year 2002 figure of 187, the supplemental response indicates should have read 287,000, so there is a supplemental response that corrected some of these figures. And I might have overlookedMR. PURDY: that. Then I'll withdraw thatBY MR. PURDY: question and ask you another one.Is it fair to say that Idaho Power I s gross operating revenues have substantially increased from the years 1989 through 2003 as listed in your response to this production request? That would be correct. Okay.Now , I've done the math and I took the years for LIWA funding 1996 through the year 2002 and then I took gross operating revenues for that time period.I stopped at 2002 because revenues for 2003 were not available and I came up with a relationship of LIWA funding and the Company gross operating revenues of Subj ect to check , would you accept that00030 percent. calculation? Subj ect to check, yes. Now, is it true that Idaho Power does not track its low income customers in terms of the amount and CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company 1227 83676 the nature of their usage? That is correct. And in fact , isn't it true that Idaho Power doesn't really have an internal independent definition of the term low income customers? That is correct. Don't you rely, at least for purposes of LIWA, don I t you rely upon the definition adopted by the Community Action agencies? Yes. All right , and is it fair to say that LIWA is the only Idaho Power Company specific conservation program that exclusively targets low income customers? I would have to say I don't totally agree with that, partly because we also have the BPA funding that we have programs that are available , as an example, in mobile home parks and even though that's not necessarily targeted at low income, there is a substantial number of those customers who could be considered within that area; so I would say a little more broadly that we try to offer programs to a wide variety of customers, understanding that low income customers receive those benefits. The BPA program you mentioned, it only pertains to mobile home parks? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1228 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 No, no, we have several different things going wi thin that area.That was an example. All right, but my question to you was, isn t LIWA the only low income exclusive Idaho Power conservation program? Yes, that would be the only one that there s a qualifying factor on. Okay, if you would just turn briefly to page 14 of your direct testimony, and generally - - are you there? Yes. -- you provide a number of activities and efforts that the Company and its employees undertake to contribute to their communities.Regarding low income customers, you point out that Idaho Power typically, the Company typically, contributes on average $25,000 a year to proj ect Share; is that right? Yes , that's correct. And the Company does not seek to recover that investment from ratepayers; is that true? That is correct. But isn't it also true that all of the Company's investment in LIWA is in fact recovered through rates from its customers? That is correct. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1229 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 So is it then also true that there is no risk that under the current rate recovery structure that in the event this Commission were to order an increase in LIWA funding that the Company would not recover all of that? I f the Commission were to order that; however , that additional funding is not included in this CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Would the Company seek to include that in rates, though , in the future? Yes , I believe so.That would better be rate case. answered by Mr. Gale. Now , just my last area of questioning here relates to page 15 of your direct testimony. Okay. And on line 12, you state that Idaho Power has engaged in some form of DSM activity since the last general rate case That's correct. - - is that right?And that was the 94- rate case; right? I believe that's correct. About that period of time? Yes. Okay, isn't it true that roughly during 1230 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 the mid 1990s , Idaho Power requested and was authorized by this Commission to reduce, in fact eliminate, its investment in a number of conservation programs? I believe that's correct. And was at least one of the primary motivations for Idaho Power's request fear of deregulation within the industry at the time? As I understand it. All right.Given that Idaho Power annual investment in LIWA is 0.0003 percent of its gross operating revenues, would an increase in LIWA funding cause the Company any undue concern whether it's based on fear of possible deregulation or any other reason? I believe Mr. Gale would be better equipped to answer that for you. MR. PURDY:Fair enough.That's all I have.Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you , Mr. Purdy. Mr. Gollomp, do you have questions? MR . GOLLOMP:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Ward. MR. WARD:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Ri chardson . MR. RICHARDSON:Just one, Madam Chairman. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1231 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 CROSS - EXAMINATION BY MR. RI CHARDSON : Ms. Fullen , reviewing this document, Yes. - - do you know the source of who prepared Was this in your shop that this was You are speaking of the demand side management document? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho Correct, Exhibit 809. Yes, it was prepared in my area.Darlene Exhibit 809 -- Nemnich was the lead person on that. And if you would turn to page 4 of this document , can you help me, I was just looking at this and I was wondering if this is a typo or these are actual goals for the Company, on about the middle , first bottom half of the middle of the page, there I s a line talking about incremental peak reduction from programs designed to reduce summer peak , do you see that? Yes , I do. Is it true that your goal for peak reduction is only 300 kW, not MW? For 2003? this document? prepared? 1232 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 Correct. That was true , and the reasoning for that is because that was our first year of utilizing the rider fundings and we were still ramping up on our programs. And so for all three years, 2003,I 04 and 05, it should be kW? Yes,believe so. That'the extent the Company summer peak reduction goals? Yes. MR. RI CHARDSON :Thank you.That's a 11 I have , Madam Chairman. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Richardson. Mr. Budge. MR. BUDGE:No questions. MR. STUTZMAN:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Do we have questions from the Commission?Commissioner Hansen. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1233 FULLEN (X) Idaho Power Company83676 EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN: I was just curious on this Exhibit 809, on page 28 of the proposed organizational chart Yes. - - have you filled any of the four vacancies there at the bottom of the right-hand side of the page? Yes , we have.The the first one, actually, the program specialist that says industrial has been filled.That's the one I spoke of just a little bit earlier. Is that a permanent job , then?I mean, is it permanent and it isn't just a temporary job for a year or two or is it permanent? It's a two-year position at this time. Why would you only fill that position for two years if you're committed to this program?m kind of curious. Well , because we are currently still, you know , kind of ramping up, if you will, of our DSM programs and those that are funded by the rider monies this position is part of those rider monies and we would intend to continue our dedication and commitment to DSM CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1234 FULLEN (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 as we receive the funding to be able to do that. I have one other question.On page 18 of your testimony, lines 4 through 7 Yes. - - there you talk about the savings of NEEA. Yes. And you talk about the total savings and then what amount you estimate that Idaho customers have saved and at a cost of about a penny per kilowatt, did you take this at NEEA' s word or has Idaho Power verified these numbers in savings? This was information provided by NEEA. Where you contribute to that organization and you re putting out money, isn't there an interest from the Power Company to verify and know that this is producti ve, that you really are saving this money or how would we know that somebody just hasn't made some guess or estimate to make it look good? You know, while this information was received by NEEA , I took it at the value considering NEEA's reputation , but we are currently doing an assessment of NEEA and participation in NEEA , continuing on after this year , so that's still under evaluation. Well , earlier, a few months ago, I read a CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1235 FULLEN (Corn) Idaho Power Company83676 report out that said the average cost was about a half a cent a kilowatt and now we see in here it's a cent a kilowatt, do you know why that's changed? I do not. So really, you really haven t verified or checked these numbers at all?As a company, you don know whether they're really saving Idaho Power kilowatt-hours and dollars, you re just taking them at their word; is that right? I would say that's true. COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Thank you.That' all I have. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Questions? COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER:Nothing. EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: I just have a couple.Commissioner Hansen hi t most of mine, but looking at your NEEA numbers on page 18 you were just discussing, do you have any estimate for the impact that NEEA' s programs have had in reducing Idaho Power's summer load, summer peak load? Not that I'm aware of. And then on page 21 and just in your CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1236 FULLEN (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 answer to Commissioner Hansen, you stated that you are reviewing your NEEA participation to decide whether you re going to continue on, does that mean you haven I made a decision yet? Tha t is correct. When do you anticipate making a decision? wi thin the next few months. And do you have any reason to think that your participation has not been beneficial to the CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Not at all.The preliminary analysis looks very positive. So you're thinking of being in even greater than you were in the past? That I can't answer. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Okay. Do you have redirect? MS. MOEN:Yes , I have a few questions, Company? Madam Chair. 1237 FULLEN (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 BY MS. MOEN: REDIRECT EXAMINATION First of all , Ms. Fullen, in response to Mr. Richardson , he pointed you to page 4 of what's been CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho identified as Exhibit 809, the demand side management Yes. And within that plan on page 4 in the middle are goals and it indicates the incremental peak reduction from programs.That does not include, does it the savings anticipated by the Company s IRP? No, it does not. So savings in addition to these are That would be correct. With regard to NEEA , does Idaho Power have a representative on the NEEA board? Yes, we do. So any information that is designed by NEEA has input from Idaho Power? That is correct. In response to Mr. Purdy and the assessment of the number of low and moderate income families residing in the service territory, when an business plan. anticipated? 1238 FULLEN (D i ) Idaho Power Company83676 individual comes to the Company seeking power or applying for power , do we request information from that applicant such as that person's annual income? We do not. What about the number of persons per No. MS. MOEN:All right , I have no further COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you very much. household? (The witness left the stand. MR. KLINE:The next witness for Idaho Power is Ric Gale. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho questions. Thank you. 1239 FULLEN (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 JOHN R. GALE produced as a witness at the instance of the Idaho Power Company, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: BY MR. KLINE: DIRECT EXAMINATION Could you please state your full name for the record, Mr. Gale? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho Yes, John R. Gale, usually known as Ric And what is your position at Idaho Power m the vice president of regulatory affairs for Idaho Power. At the time the Company filed its application in this case , did you file direct prefiled testimony consisting of 17 pages? Yes , I did. And did you also prefile one exhibit, Yes , I did. And do you have any additions or corrections that you need to make to your prefiled direct Gale. Company? Exhibi t 61? 1240 GALE (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 testimony? I don't believe so. And as a result of that , if I were to ask you the questions contained in your direct prefiled CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho testimony today, would your answers be the same? Yes, they would. MR. KLINE:With that, Madam Chairman , I would request that Mr. Gale's direct prefiled testimony be spread on the record as if read in its entirety and that Exhibit 61 be marked for identification. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Without objection, (The following prefiled direct testimony of Mr. John R. Gale is spread upon the record. is so ordered. 1241 GALE (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 Please state your name and business address. My name is John R. Gale and my business address is 1221 West Idaho Street, Boise, Idaho. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? I am employed by Idaho Power Company (Idaho Power or the Company) as the Vice President of Regulatory Affairs. Please describe your work experience. In October 1983, I accepted a position as Rate Analyst with Idaho Power Company.In March 1990 , I was assigned to the Company's Meridian District Office for one year where I held the position of Meridian Manager. In March 1991 , I was promoted to Manager of Rates. July 1997 , I was named General Manager of Pricing and Regulatory Services.In March of 2001, I was promoted to Vice President of Regulatory Affairs.As Vice President of Regulatory Affairs, I am responsible for the overall coordination and direction of the Pricing & Regulatory Department , including development of jurisdictional revenue requirements and class cost-of-service studies, preparation of rate design analyses, and administration of tariffs and customer contracts.In my current position , I am responsible for policy matters related to the economic regulation of Idaho Power Company. 1242 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company What role did you play in the preparation of the general rate case? My role in the preparation of the general rate case was to oversee , manage, and coordinate the filing and to make the policy decisions related to regulatory matters. What was your interaction with the other Company witnesses? I discussed the content and preparation of the witnesses' testimony and exhibits.I was assisted in this effort by Ms. Maggie Brilz and Mr. Greg Said, along with the Company s regulatory attorneys directed by Mr. Barton Kl ine Please provide an overview of the Company' general rate case filing. The Company leads with Mr. LaMont Keen, our President and COO.Mr. Keen speaks to the Company' financial condition and its management performance in recent years.Mr. Keen is our primary policy witness. Our next witness is Mr. William Avera, who has been retained by the Company as our return on equity (ROE) expert.Mr. Avera also performed this function for Idaho Power in our last general rate case.Mr. Avera' recommended ROE range becomes an input to Mr. Dennis Gribble's considerations.Mr. Gribble selects an ROE 1243 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company point estimate and includes that with the test year capital structure to derive the proposed overall rate of return. Ms. Lori Smith then testifies to the financial inputs, both actual and estimated , that become our initial starting point for the system data for the 2003 test year.Ms. Smith includes system adjustments for deductions to certain expenses not allowed in rates, annualizing adjustments to expenses and rate base, known and measurable adj ustments to expenses and rate base , and other adj ustments to revenues, expenses and rate base related primarily to past Idaho Public Utilities Commission (IPUC or the Commission) orders.Mr. Obenchain takes Ms. Smith's data, Mr. Gribble's return recommendation, Mr. Said's normalized net power supply expenses , along with other selected inputs and prepares the jurisdictional separation study (JSS).The JSS, as its name states, separates system values for rate base, revenues , and expenses for each state and federal jurisdiction by an assignment and allocation process. One result of the JSS is the Idaho retail jurisdictional revenue requirement. As stated before, Mr. Said provides the normalized net power supply expenses for the test year.Mr. Said also addresses the requisite changes needed to the 1244 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company Company's Power Cost Adj ustment as a result of changing the normalized net power supply expenses in Idaho Power Base Rates. 1245 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company Ms. Brilz takes the Idaho retail jurisdictional output from Mr. Obenchain and further separates costs by customer class and special contract through a class cost of service (CCOS) study.Additionally, Ms. Brilz proposes price changes to the customer classes that are consistent with the Company's ratemaking obj ecti ves and recover the Company's Idaho revenue requirement.Ms. Theresa Drake addresses additional changes to Idaho Power's tariffs and non-recurring charges. Ms. Susan Fullen provides information regarding a variety of Idaho Power's customer-related activities, including the results of recent customer satisfaction surveys.Finally, I finish the direct case addressing regulatory policy issues. What was Idaho Power Company s executive management involvement with the preparation of the general rate case? Idaho Power's Office of the Chief Operating Officer , consisting of the Company I s President , Senior Vice President of Delivery, Vice President of Power Supply, Vice President of Corporate Services , and myself along with the Chief Financial Officer , served as the oversight group. What are the policy issues related to the preparation of the test year financial information? 1246 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company The policy decisions related to the preparation of the general rate case include the selection of the test year , the decision to use a split year , the treatment of annualizing adjustments, and the treatment of known and measurable adj ustments. What is the Company's test year? The Company s test year is the 12 months ending December 31 , 2003. Why did you choose 2003 as the test year? Using a test year of 2003 provides the most recent information available as to the Company s expenses and investments.The year captures increased levels of capi tal and O&M spending that are needed to fund our utili ty infrastructure.The year also provides a clear break with our past affiliate transactions with IDACORP Energy (IE). Why did the Company choose to file with a split test year that used both actual and estimated data? The split test year using six months actual and six months estimated data offers rate recovery closer to the time that costs are incurred, allows the timing of general rate changes to be coordinated with and potentially mitigated by PCA changes, and provides the Commission an opportunity to see actual information for the whole year before issuing its final order. 1247 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company What was the basis for making annualizing adjustments to rate base for 2003? 1248 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company The annualizing adjustments to rate base for 2003 are related to electric plant in service items closing to book during the last half of 2003.These items and their related impacts (such as depreciation and property tax) were treated as if they were in place for a full twelve months. Please describe the annualizing adjustment to the 2003 operating expense related to payroll. The annualizing adjustment to the 2003 operating expense related to payroll , changes the payroll expense to an amount reflective of what it would have been had the year-end payroll expense been in existence for the full year in 2003. What was the Company's basis for including known and measurable additions to its rate base? The Company included only assets of a material size that were planned to close to the books before June , 2004.These assets are maj or proj ects related to transmission and transmission substation.The Company chose June 1 , 2004 as the cutoff for known and measurable plant adjustments because that is the date that the proposed rates are expected to become effective if the Commission uses the full time to issue its order. Please describe the rationale for including a known and measurable adjustment to operating expense for employee incentives. 1249 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company Since the last general rate case, Idaho Power has made a material change in the manner in which it compensates its employees.Starting in 1995, the Company modified its existing "cash" compensation to include an element of "pay at risk"The new plan continues to provide a fixed base salary, but now includes the potential for an incentive.Since the incentive can vary from year to year according to Company and employee performance, using the actual incentive amount as part of the test year compensation can be misleading.Because the range of potential outcomes is large , a normalized number is more reflective of ongoing compensation than an actual amount. Why do you use the term "pay at risk"? Before the incentive was introduced, the Company targeted its base pay upon the 60th percentile of the relevant labor market rate for the specific job category.After the incentive was added to the compensation package, the benchmark for the base pay was reduced to the 50th percentile.The difference between the two percentile levels became the pay at risk. What is the difference between the two percentile levels worth in percentage terms? Based upon our 2002 wage information, the difference is approximately 7 percent.Thi s figure can 1250 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company vary slightly from one year to the next based on changes in the 1251 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company market place, but in general the market changes are not large enough to cause significant change. Why did you make a known and measurable adjustment related to salary structure? The known and measurable expense related to salary structure adjusts payroll expense to account for an employee general wage adjustment (GWA) at year-end The adj ustment for the GWA was 3 percent.2003. What was the basis for the Company known and measurable for pension costs? There are three options which reflect the cost of providing pension benefits to our employees:(1) Pay (2) Service Cost, and (3) Pension Expense.As You Go, The Pay As You Go reflects the actual benefits paid to employees receiving pension benefits during the relevant time period.The Service Cost benefit amount reflects the cost to provide a new year of benefits to employees. The Pension Expense method reflects the cost to provide the benefits including the volatility of market movements that impact the pension plan assets and the impact of interest rate movements.Using the Service Cost method for ratemaking purposes removes the market volatility and interest rate volatility, while quantifying the annual cost of providing a new year of benefits to employees. The test year information was adjusted to reflect service 1252 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company costs for 2003, which the Company believes to be more representative of our pension costs going forward. How have the Operating Revenues of the Company been adjusted? The Operating Revenues are primarily adjusted through the normalizing adjustments to the Company I s net power supply expenses as a result of multiple water conditions discussed by Mr. Said.Other known changes to tariffs or contracts were also included either in the test year revenues or adj ustments to the test year. Sales revenues for the test year 2003 were based on weather normalized retail sales for the first six months and estimated normalized sales for the later six months. What are the policy issues related to the rate spread and rate design proposed by the Company? The policy issues related to rate spread and rate design are that rates should be primarily cost-based , adjustments to the rate spread, an emphasis on fixed cost recovery, and the introduction of time-of-use pricing (both seasonal and diurnal) What is the Company s philosophy on setting rates? In the last several general rate cases, the Company's primary approach to ratemaking has been to reflect costs as accurately as possible in setting its 1253 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company tariff rates.Accordingly, the Company's ratemaking proposals usually advocate movement toward cost -of - service results which assign costs to those customers that cause the Company to incur the costs.The Company realizes that there are other ratemaking obj ecti ves, such as ability to pay, that the Commission may consider in making its determination.However, the Company believes that the best starting point for Commission deliberations is an economic one. Nevertheless, some ratemaking situations cause such abrupt change, the Company has proposed some 1 imi t s the movement toward cost-of-service. How did you approach rate spread among the customer classes and special contracts? Rate spread is a term that refers to the division of the jurisdictional revenue requirement into individual revenue requirements for each customer class and special contract.Each special contract is essentially a rate class of one customer.The CCOS resul ts are one means of performing rate spread.Please refer to Exhibit No. 61, a four-page exhibit that steps through the revenue requirement allocation process from the CCOS results to the Company's ultimate proposal for each customer class and special contract.Page 1 of Exhibit No. 61 is the proformed normalized test year 1254 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company sales and revenues.Page 2 indicates the adjustments in terms of percentages and dollars that 1255 GALE, DI lOa Idaho Power Company would be made to each customer class to obtain the resul ts indicated by the CCOS.A pure CCOS rate spread would mean a 67.1 percent increase to the irrigation customer class.Page 3 constrains the changes to the revenue allocations in order to mitigate the magnitude of the rate increase to the irrigation customer class.A 25 percent limit is placed on the increase to irrigation while the small unmetered classes are held at zero instead of the decreases indicated by the CCOS.Page 4 spreads the revenue shortfall created by the mitigation back to the other customer classes, so that the total Idaho jurisdictional target revenue can be obtained. Has the Company's cost-based approach influenced other rate design proposals? Yes, the cost -based approach has led to rate design proposals that better align fixed costs with fixed prices and variable costs with variable prices.Ideally an energy rate that corresponds to our energy costs would help address a number of rate-related issues, including net metering and customer conservation decisions.The emphasis on moving fixed and variable prices to be more reflective of fixed and variable costs led to the Company's proposals to increase the monthly service charge for residential and small general service Since these customers are not demand metered,customers. 1256 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company the service charge is the only fixed rate component available to adj ust and thus becomes more important as a tool for fixed cost recovery.The increases to the service charges are a moderate step toward better alignment of costs and prices.However , as described by Ms. Bril z , there is still a long way to go. Did the Company s cost-based approach influence any other ratemaking proposals? Yes, the cost-based approach also influenced our decision to propose seasonal and time-of -use rates for certain customer groups.Both types of time-based rates allow for the incorporation of time-based cost differences into the Company's pricing. Should the Company s seasonal rate proposals be adopted , is there a related issue concerning the Company s Power Cost Adjustment (PCA)? Yes , because the summer season is proposed to begin on June 1 and the current PCA is scheduled to change on May 16, the Company believes it would be best to consolidate the two rate change dates into one. Mr. Said states in his testimony, we are proposing to move the start date for each year's PCA to June addition, the change would give the Commission the benefit in the future of an extra two weeks to process the annual PCA application. 1257 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company How has depreciation expense been treated in the rate filing? 1258 GALE, DI 12a Idaho Power Company The depreciation expense in the Company' general rate request includes the depreciation rates contained in the Company's application filed with this Commission on May 6, 2003 in Case No. IPC-E- 03 - 07.Since that time, a stipulation has been reached among the parties regarding that case and filed with the IPUC on October 9, 2003.(Should the IPUC approve that stipulation, the overall requested revenue requirement would adjust downward to incorporate the final action). Have the Company and Commission Staff attempted to settle other rate issues recently that may have an impact on the general rate case? The Company, the Commission Staff, andYes. the Industrial Customer of Idaho Power have reached verbal agreement regarding the final settlement of issues in Case No. IPC-01-16, a case pertaining to the relationship between IE and Idaho Power , including appropriate compensation to be paid by IE to Idaho Power for the use of Idaho Power's transmission and capacity If approved, the settlement of Case No.resources. IPC-01-16 will bring past issues between Idaho Power and IE to closure. Are you generally familiar with the Company' recent management efforts in the areas of stewardship of the system , customer service, demand- side management, and financing activity? 1259 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company As described in detail by Ms. Fullen , theYes. Company has implemented a new business model that better That model includes changes thatserves customers. improved outage management and communication systems, improved customer service systems throughout the Company's service territory, demonstrated performance of our metering and billing systems, renewed focus on demand-side management programs, and improved customer satisfaction results. On the financial side of the business, the Company has utilized available opportunities to refund various issues of both long-term debt and preferred stock on a cost -effective basis.This has resulted in significantly lower embedded costs.At the time of the Company's last Idaho general rate case, the Company s overall cost of debt capital was 8.024 percent.The Company's current cost of debt capital is 5.983 percent.Mr. Gribble speaks to the financing efforts in his testimony. And despite all the stresses on the system both internal (heightened emphasis on reliability, increased demand for infrastructure investments, increasing relicensing costs, poor cash flow , and negative earnings implications) as well as external (major drought, out of step inflation in energy markets, market chaos, and the eventual exodus of credit worthy counterparties and 1260 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company investment dollars), in the end, Idaho Power has honored its obligation to serve our customers and keep the lights on at a reasonable price.Mr. Keen's testimony describes these acti vi ties and results in greater detail. Are there other instances of Company management decisions that have been helpful to its customers? Yes.I would like to highlight two other areas in which the Company has made great strides.The first is our Green Power Program and the second is Idaho Power's development of a comprehensive risk management policy over the last two years. Because of Idaho Power's hydroelectric resources, our customers get most of their electricity from a resource that's virtually emission-free.wi th the establishment of our Green Power Program , customers have yet another emission- free alternative -- wind power. The Green Power Program is a voluntary program that allows Idaho Power customers to add any dollar amount they choose to their power bills to purchase resources from the Stateline Wind Project.The Company has sponsored multiple campaigns aimed at generating awareness and encouraging customers to enroll in the Enrollment in the two-year-old program hasprogram. grown nearly 20 percent since the last campaign bringing the number of participating subscribers to almost 2000. 1261 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company The second area of Company business that I would like to highlight is risk management.It became clear to the Company s Risk Management Committee (RMC) during the 2000-2001 Energy Crisis that our risk management techniques for dealing with the market and the associated drought worked well in most cases but not in all. Learning from this experience, the Company acquired new energy, made investment to increase capacity and reliability throughout the system, adopted more conservative financial policies, and developed and implemented a state-of -the-art risk management policy. This collaborative risk management strategy protects against adverse movements in net power supply costs and manages the cost of energy supply with respect for the risk tolerance of stakeholders.Together, these strategies will lead to more stable rates. Do you believe it is in the public interest for the Commission to recognize these management efforts in setting Idaho Power rates? Yes.Traditionally, this is done by the Commission adding basis points to the authorized rate of return. In its general rate application, is the Company requesting additional basis points in its authorized rate of return on equity to recognize good management 1262 GALE, DI Idaho Power Company performance? No. How would the Company like to be recognized by the IPUC for its management performance? The Company would 1 ike to be recogni zed through timely and positive consideration of our rate relief Is it your opinion that the granting of the rate relief proposed by the Company is in the public Yes. Does this conclude your testimony? Yes. request. interest? 1263 GALE , DI Idaho Power Company (The following proceedings were had in open hearing. MR. KLINE:Madam Chairman , prior to making Mr. Gale available for cross-examination , I would like to ask Mr. Gale one question.Commissioner Hansen had some questions yesterday of Mr. Keen which Mr. Keen deferred to Mr. Gale and I'd like to get that out of the way on the front end, if I could, please. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Certainly. DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. KLINE:(Continued) Mr. Gale, yesterday Commissioner Hansen asked Mr. Keen about executive bonuses and compensation and the context of the question was that the Commissioners had received inquiries from customers and customers had expressed concern that they really didn want their rates to include big bonuses for Idaho Power executives.Could you please address that response please respond to that question for Mr. Hansen? Well , in two ways:First of all, the rates in place during this time period do not include those executive bonuses and the rates we filed in this case did not include executive bonuses. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1264 GALE (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 MR. KLINE:Thank you.With that, I'd like to make Mr. Gale available for cross. to go first? COMMISSIONER SMITH:All right, who wants BY MS. NORDSTROM: Ms. Nordstrom. CROSS-EXAMINATION Good afternoon , Mr. Gale. Good afternoon , Ms. Nordstrom. On page 5 of your testimony, you discuss the selection of the Company's test year.The Company CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho has the discretion to choose the test year to use in a rate case, does it not? Yes, it does. If the Company had chosen a 2002 test year rather than 2003, would the Company's effective 2002 tax rate of negative 4.1 percent be included in the rate If the Company had used 2002, the tax would have become an issue in that case. Isn't it true that by choosing a 2003 test year , the Company effectively excluded the customers from sharing in the tax benefit? , I don't believe that's true.I think case? 1265 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 that the tax deduction coming from the one-time event allowed the Company to defer the rate case for one year. I think the customers benefit from that and I think there's ongoing benefits from that one-time tax change that manifests itself in the test year , so I don't think the customers were excluded from those benefits. On page 15 of your testimony, you point to the Company's Green program and its risk management plan as examples of management efforts that should be recognized in setting Idaho Power rates.Isn't it true that all major Idaho electric utilities have Green programs? I don't know that.They may. wi th respect to the Company s risk management plan discussed on page 16 of your testimony, isn't it true that this plan was established in a collaborative process initiated by Commission Order in Case No. IPC-01-16 to address concerns regarding the Company's risk management policies? The risk management policy was established with a lot of collaboration that did originate with that Order, that's correct. Were you present for Lori Smith' testimony Monday morning? Yes, I was. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1266 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 In fact, I believe you summarized Ms. Smith I S testimony on page 3 of your testimony and noted on page 5 that the test year gives the Commission the opportunity to see actual information before issuing the final order; is that correct? Tha t 's correct. Do you agree with Ms. Smith's statement that overall actuals are comparable to the Company' budgeted numbers? I think the way the actuals came in , they were very close to the Company's test year numbers. If the actuals overall validate the budgeted numbers , isn't it appropriate to use the actuals? The Company's intent from the start was to use the test year numbers and use the actuals as a validation method or an adjustment if the Commission so desired , but I think we've been consistent all along, including our prehearing conference, on how we wanted to use the test year numbers. According to your rebut tal testimony, the Company accepted the use of actuals for the salary structure adjustment and the payroll operating adjustment, why not accept actuals for all accounts to reflect actual 2003 expenses? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1267 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 MR. KLINE:m going to obj ect because Mr. Gale's rebuttal testimony hasn't been spread on the record , if there's something in his direct testimony. MS. NORDSTROM:But this relates to the use of actuals versus budgeted, that he is the policy witness that is responsible for it. MR. KLINE:If Mr. Gale feels he's capable of responding, I'll defer to him. THE WITNESS:I don't care to go fully into my rebuttal, but I think I can answer Ms. Nordstrom at least at this time. MR. KLINE:Okay. THE WITNESS:There are some changes that the Company recommends to the test year and I think those are significant and I think that the ones that we do recommend , and we'll explore those more in rebuttal , I think they have a logic on why they would be changed. BY MS. NORDSTROM:You said earlier that the Company's budgeted numbers compare very closely to the 2003 actual numbers.Would it surprise you that Staff estimates that the difference between actuals and budgeted numbers to be approximately $6.7 million? That would surprise me. Does the Company have an estimate of what the difference would be? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1268 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 My understanding is that we were within around $3 million, so I would really like to see that CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho MS. NORDSTROM:Thank you.No further other number. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. questions. Mr. Budge. MR. BUDGE:Thank you. BY MR. BUDGE: CROSS-EXAMINATION Mr. Gale, if you would, please, refer to page 10 of your testimony. on? COMMISSIONER SMITH:I s your mi c rophone MR. BUDGE:m sorry. BY MR. BUDGE:Refer to page 10 of your testimony, if you would, Mr. Gale, and beginning on line 4 of that sentence, you make a statement, "The Company realizes there are other ratemaking obj ecti ves , such as ability to pay, that the Commission may consider in making its determination.When you refer to "ability to pay," do you make that comment from the perspective of an individual customer or from the customer class as a 1269 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 whole? m using that as an example of other things that the Commission might use to vary from cost of service. All right. There's a laundry list, I think, that There are other factors, obviously, that go into the consideration, but does the Company view that consideration in deciding what is an appropriate cap or limit for the irrigators from the perspective of a rate increase to an individual irrigator or to the class as a whole? Well , I think the Commission may view that ei ther way.It's the Company's standpoint on the irrigation cap was viewing it as a class as a whole, at least from my perspective. When you refer to that ratemaking objective, ability to pay, do you distinguish that from the objective Ms. Brilz mentioned of rate shock?Would you consider those synonymous or are those two different factors? No, I think they could be two among a list of it could include rate continuity, rate stability. There is a list that Professor Bonbright put out a long time ago that includes multiple considerations. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1270 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 You go on in the next page, 11, of your testimony, starting on line 2 , you indicate that a pure cost of service rate spread would mean a 67.1 percent increase to the irrigation customer class, and then go on further in line 7 and discuss the limit which you stated, A 25 percent limit is placed on the increase to irrigation. I asked Ms. Brilz some questions about that and she deferred to you an explanation of the reasoning for the 25 percent limit and what was considered by the Company in arriving at that number versus some higher or lower number , for that matter. I'd be happy to, and in short, Mr. Budge, it comes down to judgment, but some of the things that we looked at is our approach in past cases and if you remember from the 94-5 case, it's a very similar approach that we used last time in proposing a cap and ultimately the Commission accepted a cap, although not the same as ours. We also want to make some material movement in the irrigation subsidy, as we see it, so it needs to be substantial enough so that some progress is made, and if you remember our original filing was close to 18 percent, so to make material progress on top of 18, it pretty much takes you to at least 25. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1271 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 A couple other things.Whenever a subsidy exists for one group, there are the corresponding impacts to the other groups of customers , and then , lastly, when we were sorting through this, it was our expectation that given the nature of the PCA and where it sits and the particular instance of the irrigation customers that this would be a mitigated impact as we moved into this spring. And moving forward, as the Company proceeds with its capital expenditure program over the next several years, which I believe was something in the range of $675 million beyond this year 2003, and this may be jumping ahead to your rebuttal a little bit, but intend to just follow up on this same line, there' obviously going to be an expectation of more frequent rate increases in the future than we've had in the past, would you expect that to be true? I think that is rebuttal , but my answer is yes, I do think there will be a period of more frequent rate increases. Thank you , and when you made the earlier statement that the Company s obj ecti ve in this case is to make material movement of the irrigators towards cost of service , do you make - - excuse me, strike that.Do you expect the Company to follow that same objective moving CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1272 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 forward as we hit these additional rate cases in the near future? Well , I think the beauty of waiting and seeing what happens in two years is the dynamics will be different in two years.We'll have new cost information the customers will adjust to the new rate design and cost levels and so I think we have a better time to evaluate, but given that there may be a subsidy existing two years from now, given that our last two times we've approached to start to eliminate that subsidy, it would probably be our position again. I think Ms. Brilz also deferred to you a question I posed regarding Exhibit 44 and that on page 6 was the one that discussed the impact of the rate design on the individual class on a per customer basis.Do you recall those questions? I recall the questions.Should I get the exhibi t ? Let me just refer to that.In reviewing that exhibit , the Company essentially listed how many irrigators would receive a rate increase of a particular percentage under the Company s proposal , and I think we confirmed with Ms. Brilz , subject to perhaps checking my math on it, that there would be 23 percent rounded of the irrigation class that would receive an increase of 25 CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1273 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 percent or something less, and as a result of that, there would be some 77 percent of the class that would receive an increase of greater than 25 percent and if you look at some of those by numbers that would get a pretty high percent, you have 46 percent of the class would have a rate increase of somewhat greater than 32 , but less than 50, and that seemed to sum up the impact on the class as a whole if you look at it from the perspective of the individual farmers that are really impacted, and so if rate shock is a consideration that the Company had in mind when they placed the limit or cap, if you will, at 25 percent, would it be accurate to say that any of those 77 percent that get greater than 25 percent impact would in fact be experiencing unacceptable rate shock and should be moved to acceptable rate shock? Wi th the removal of the unacceptable. You'd have to look at the circumstances, but that would sound 1 ike rate shock. So I wonder , some of the expenses that the Company is going to incur going forward relate to relicensing on the hydro facilities and I suppose you generally familiar that one of the cost factors relating to that is the Endangered Species Act application? I cannot testify to the Endangered Species Act. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1274 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 Do you have any knowledge of that generally? I am not a good witness for that. You wouldn't be able to give me any loop holes that we might fit the irrigators within? You know , I heard you talk about that earlier.I should have been ready for that question. Ripley certainly would have obj ected that. I think there are others in the room that might give you better assistance than me, though, Mr. Budge. MR. KLINE:I overheard it , too. BY MR. BUDGE:Just one other area, if I may, and I just touched it briefly with Ms. Brilz and she deferred it somewhat to you and then Commissioner Hansen referred on this area of growing rate gap which is obviously of concern to the Company as well as concern to all the other intervenors in this case , and correct me if m wrong, but if we review history, it appears obvious that since the last case , the filing in this case depicts a substantially growing gap between the rates irrigators pay and what the Company reflects as their desired cost of service under the selected methodology, would you agree with that? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1275 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 There is a growing gap from the last rate case to this one in the cost studies. If the Company continues to follow the same methodology in the future and comes forth with an additional rate case and new cost to serve growth coming , would you not expect that gap to continue to grow if all other things are equal in the irrigation class; in other words , if the class continues in the future as it has in the last 10 years, to have no growth in the number of customers, no change in the megawatt-hours of consumption level , we're still going to have a growing gap that will get bigger over time? I don't know that for sure and the reason I say that is there are a number of things that the Company is trying to do that is targeted at the peak and they include the resource decisions, demand side management , pricing and so forth, so ultimately in a couple of years from now , I don't know for sure that you'll see a growing gap.We'll have to see how everything else plays out. Would you say that's likely based on your experience and judgment at this point in time as the Company's senior rate person? I don t know that you could say it' likely that it will grow.m just saying I don' CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1276 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 know. Is it accurate to say that over the last three rate cases, this Commission has made a substantial move or a disproportionate move of the irrigators towards cost of service as compared to other customers? I am fairly safe in saying that I know the last two and the third one my memory fails me. The most recent two and perhaps a third, your memory doesn't go back that far? No. And despite that narrowing of the gap in the previous case, we seem to have an even bigger gap now even though the irrigation class has not changed at all in the last 10 years.Would it be accurate to say that the only thing that has really changed is the Company methodology for allocating costs? I don't think our methodology has changed in allocating costs.I think it just reflects the current reality and we are peak constrained and we have a much more emphasis in our summer peak as opposed to a dual-peaking utility in the past. But it'the methodology that the Company employs for allocating costs that the primary factor that has caused the widening the gap;correct? I don't know if I can tell you if it's the CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1277 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 methodology that's changed.Underwri ting what is causing the irrigation revenue requirement magnitude is the fact that summers are expensive.Irrigation load is on during the summer , they're not on during the rest of the time and you started with a subsidy to begin with. Do you recall during the period of the irrigation buy-back in 2001 approximately what percentage of the irrigation customers participated? I don't recall. Do you recall during the course of those proceedings before the Commission when approval of that buy-back program was being sought that there was some concern presented that the buy-back of the irrigators who didn I t farm that particular year , while it may be profitable to those individual irrigators, it could have a rather disastrous effect on some of those that rely on the expenditure of the money that farmers do in a year and there was some discussion of multipliers? While I don't remember the number of participants, I do remember the different bodies we had to visit and different concerns expressed that spring or that February. But those - - the concern over those economic impacts , I think , were mitigated substantially by the fact that we only would have a one-year buy-back CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1278 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 and then they'd be back farming again.If in fact either as a result of a move in this case or some other future case irrigation customers start to go out of business, would it be appropriate at that point in time for the Company to view future impacts from the perspective of economic impacts on the agricultural economy as a whole or does the Company believe that that's something that' really not their business to be concerned about? In a future filing we may consider that. That is not a consideration in the current filing. At least up until this point in time the Company, I believe from other witnesses, has not made any attempt to do any kind of an economic impact to determine the effect of the proposed increases in this case , to address the ability to pay issue , that hasn't been studied? No, but for a little perspective, first all, if the Company's 25 percent cap was implemented, think that what you'll see is when the effective rates come in and you include the PCA impact that the irrigation customers will be operating under rates that may be less than what they have now, so when you talk about an economic impact, it's not going to be like it' going to be 25 more than what they have now.They do have more than any other group a PCA mitigation coming up CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1279 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 thi s year. MR. BUDGE:No further questions.Thank you. COMM IS S IONER SMI TH :Thank you,Mr.Budge. Mr.Eddie. MR.EDD IE:Thanks.do have few questions. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. EDDIE: Mr. Gale, turning to page 11 of your testimony, you spoke to an approach or perhaps a philosophy to collect more fixed costs through fixed prices and variable costs through variable prices.That is about lines 16 , 17.Isn't the basic point that you' getting at there that the Company wants more certainty in how it - - more certainty that it will receive back from its customers fixed costs of service? That may be a sub point.I think the basic point from my perspective is the energy rate for smaller customers is not reflective of our energy costs, where it is for most of our larger customers, so our energy rate is not a cost-reflective rate, and then as a second impact, the capacity piece of it or the facility CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1280 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 access piece of it is all loaded on to the energy, and I guess to the extent that it's loaded on to energy, that is a concern, but we just as a basic premise think that' just bad ratemaking to have the energy rate carry all that extra capacity or access burden. Is that split something that your customers are asking for, that their bills accurately reflect fixed cost of service through one charge and variable costs through a different charge? I would not say that our rate design is something that customers are asking for.It is something that I think improves a lot of our ratemaking for smaller customers. Do you agree with Ms. Fullen generally that shareholders have a primary interest in seeing to the profitability of IDACORP and perhaps they have a secondary interest , but their primary interest is profitability? I think that as a general statement that most investors' primary interest is in their economic benefit and what they're investing in. Do you agree that it would be difficult to sort of sell to shareholders a demand side management program that would significantly reduce sales under current rate design, that will be a difficult proposition CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1281 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 to explain to your shareholders that this is in their interests, this DSM program? I think that rate design , the current rate design, can be an obstacle for DSM as long as you recovering fixed costs through your variables, so I would agree with you that much. Also, at page 11 of your testimony, starting at line 17 , you say,"Ideally an energy rate that corresponds to our energy costs would help address a number of rate-related issues, including net metering and customer conservation decisions.I guess I'd ask that you explain how those two issues, net metering and customer conservation decisions , are rate-related issues. Well , net metering is one that we've run into in the past and it has been a source, I think , of a little contention maybe in the past, too.If the net metering is on the energy rate and the energy rate contains fixed cost recovery, we're right back to the si tuation that I just described.As far as conservation or I would say even appliance decisions, I view that the smaller customers should be shown the same energy price that the larger ones do and let them make the best judgments that they can based upon what our costs are. Am I oversimplifying to say that those customers are still causing the Company to incur the bulk CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1282 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 of fixed costs of service while their consumption of kilowatt-hours has declined? m sorry, Mr. Eddie. I awkwardly phrased it.I was wondering in reference to that, your answer to the last question, am I oversimplifying to say that those customers are still causing the Company to incur the bulk of the costs of service while their consumption of kilowatt-hours is declining due to net metering or conservation? Well, small customers, proportionately, they have more fixed costs related to them because they re taking at the lowest service voltages, but bottom line, if you pull back and look at the cost of providing a kilowatt-hour of energy, it's really not that much more expensive to serve a residential customer s kilowatt-hour of energy than Micron's, speaking of the energy piece. And then at the bottom of page 11 and running over to page 12, you note that the service charge decreases that are proposed by the Company are important as a tool for fixed cost recovery. I was quot ing there from line 2 , page 12.I just wondered, you're not implying or suggesting that increasing the service charge is the only tool the Commission would have in order to increase certainty of fixed cost recovery for the Company? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1283 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 It I S not the only tool the Commission has in that respect, but it's the only tool that solves all those other things I've been talking about. MR . EDD IE:We'll revisit that on rebuttal , perhaps.Thanks. THE WITNESS:Very good. MR . EDD IE:No further questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. appears that we're at a good breaking point for an afternoon break and we'll take a 12 -minute break. (Recess. ) COMMISSIONER SMITH:Okay, Mr. Purdy. MR. PURDY:Thank you.I only have about two questions and I'll save the rest for rebuttal. CROS S - EXAMINA T I ON BY MR. PURDY: Mr. Gale, there was discussion about, especially relating to Ms. Brilz ' s Exhibit No. 44 about, the effect that the proposed rate increase would have on any given irrigation customer and the point was made that it could be substantial.My question to you is whether an increase to an irrigator who might be operating at the financial margin is any more devastating necessarily than CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1284 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 the increase to a residential customer who is also operating at the financial margin , perhaps on the verge of bankruptcy? I think your point is well taken. could be equally devastating for any particular customer class wherever the unique situation might be. Now , Idaho Power has proposed in fact a more than 300 percent increase for the residential class customer charge, is that right , monthly customer charge, from 2.51 to $10. OO? In isolation.I think that's a poor way to view it , but yes, in isolation , the customer charge increases dramatically. All right , and to the extent it's a fixed charge , the customer being assessed that charge has no m sorry, let me back up.To the extent that it's a fixed charge that doesn't include any kilowatt-hour usage in it , it's a charge that the customer has no ability to affect one way or the other; is that right? That's true. Okay, and just to put a couple of things into perspective now , the deficiency, some have called it the irrigation subsidy, over the years , I want to test your memory a little bit and see if you recall what it was in the 1985 case or, I'm sorry, the 185 case. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1285 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 only one I have with me is the 94 - 5 case. You ve tested my memory quite well.The Okay, I am referring to a production request that you prepared.Would you accept, subj ect check , that it was 59.96 percent in the 185 case? 31.percent? Subj ect to check , yes. And that it was in the 265A case, it was Okay. And in the 94-, it was 26.16 percent? This is the subsidy as shown by the class cost of service study?What you're showing me is the CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho subsidy that's shown from the study, not the final rate Not the final rate result, the deficiency as shown by the Company s proposed cost of service methodology results. Okay, that very well could be. Okay, and in the current case, it's 67. percent; is that right?Am I close? You re close. That's the highest it's been out of those four rate cases; is that true? I believe so. All right.Now , if we were to take the resul ts? 1286 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 revenue deficiency in terms of dollars and add those up, would you agree with me that it comes to about $92. million , a little under $100 million? m sorry, I I m getting a lot of feedback right now. I didn't hear you, I'm sorry. m getting a lot of feedback, so I'm not hearing you very well. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Let's go at ease for a minute. (Pause in proceedings. COMMISSIONER SMITH:We'll go back on the record now. BY MR. PURDY:Mr. Gale, I had asked you previously about the percentage of what we' characterized as the irrigation subsidy over the last four general rate cases and you agreed subj ect to check to the figures that I provided you; correct? That's correct. Now , if we are to attribute a dollar value at the time of those rate cases , not taking into account the time value of money, but the time of those rate cases , would you agree, also subj ect to check, that that dollar value totals approximately $92.85 million? And that is the dollar value from the four CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1287 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 cases added together? Correct.Based on not the ultimate rates that were set but based on the cost of service study. Subj ect to check. MR. PURDY:That's all. good. COMMI S S IONER SMITH:Thank you Mr.Purdy. Mr.Gollomp,do you have questions? MR.GOLLOMP:No,don't. COMMI S S IONER SMITH:Mr.Ward. MR. WARD:I do and I'll try it here. BY MR. WARD: COMMISSIONER SMITH:I think it sounds MR. WARD:All right. CROSS -EXAMINATION Mr. Gale, I think we can deal with my questions just on the basis of your exhibits, so if you'd turn to your Exhibit No. 61, the first page, please? I have it, Mr. Ward. What I want to do is ask you a few questions that will maybe put a little more concrete picture in place of the effects of a subsidy as Mr. Purdy was asking you about.If you'd look at the small general CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1288 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 service class, the third column , it appears there' 000 customers in that small general service class, is there not? Yes. And that's almost three times as many as the irrigation customers? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Yes. And would it be fair to say that that small general service class includes mom and pop stores, obviously small businesses of all sorts? Very small businesses because this is a kilowatt-hour metered only class. Right, but are you aware in Ms. Bril z ' s testimony, she shows, at least for rate design purposes, blocks all the way up to 10 000 kilowatt-hours a month? Nod, if you would. Could you direct me? All right , well , let me ask it another Okay. They don't necessarily have to be much smaller than a small irrigator, do they? , I suppose some small irrigators could be in this general size. Now , if you turn over to the next page, way. 1289 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 page 2, those customers, this is your proformed normalized at cost of service and it shows that those customers would get a 15.26 percent increase, right, under cost of service? Under the Company s filed proposal. Okay, and in fact, if you turn to the next page, you see there that there's only - - that there' various increases for the first 10 classes or for the 10 tariff schedules and again , this is, this is your first pass, as you put it, based on cost of service; correct? First pass on the revenue allocation, yes. Right.Now , let's turn over to the next page.In order to defray what we've been calling the irrigator subsidy, that small general service class, which is also business people, presumably, some of whom who are struggling in this economy, instead of getting the 15 percent increase that they were scheduled for by cost of service, in order to carry their share of the irrigation subsidy, now they get a 21 percent increase? That's a result of the proposal of the Company, original proposal of the Company. Which , of course, is only four percent less than the irrigation class? Yes, it is. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1290 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 As Milton Friedman famously said, there' no free lunch , is there? Not that I'm aware of. Also, just one other question.Mr. Budge asked you about the position of an irrigation customer in a class that in total is not growing significantly and asked you a series of questions about the anticipated gap in future years if the summer peak continues to grow. you recall that generally? Yes. Aren't other members of other classes in exactly the same position as an irrigation customer if they I ve been customers for a long time and also consume energy or their greatest portion of their energy on peak? Do you mean could there be old-time long-time customers in other customer classes? Sure. Of course. And in fact, any of us in this room who have been here a long time, if we're air conditioning customers and heating customers, the fact that the peak is growing is going to hurt us notwithstanding that there's no new consumption on our part , all things being equal; isn t that true? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1291 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 That's true. MR. WARD:That's all I have. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Ward. Mr. Miller. MR. MILLER:I do have questions of Mr. Gale regarding the subsidy and rate shock issues, Madam Chairman, but I think it might be more efficient if I just held all of those until we have his rebut tal available.In the meantime, I guess I'd ask the Commission to keep an open mind on those issues until my cross-examination at which time the truth will be illuminated. THE WITNESS:From the answers? COMMISSIONER SMITH:We will anxiously await your cross-examination , Mr. Miller. Mr. Richardson , do you have questions? MR. RI CHARDSON :I do not, Madam Chairman. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Okay, Commissioners. Commissioner Hansen. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1292 GALE (X) Idaho Power Company83676 EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER HANSEN: I guess I'd just like to clarify from a question that was asked at the beginning.Yesterday I certainly was aware that the bonuses were not included in this rate case; however , the question that I asked Mr. Keen that I thought he was going to get back with me on was did any of the bonus money come from Idaho Power' earnings and what effect do those bonuses have on the Company's earnings and I don't know, Mr. Gale , if you want to address those or whether we need to wai t for those answers from Mr. Keen , but that was what I asked for and not the other. m happy to answer from that perspective and 2001 is typically the year that causes the heartburn. In 2001, Idaho Power did have positive earnings, positive earnings in the neighborhood of $0.60 a share and we paid out a dividend of $1.86 a share, so I guess I would say to you we had posi ti ve earnings , but no available earnings to pay executive bonuses. So you're saying, then , that there was absolutely - - well , you're saying none of the bonuses that were given were paid from any of Idaho Power' earnings? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1293 GALE (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 m saying Idaho Power did not have sufficient earnings to cover its dividend. Right, I understand that, but just based upon - - if I want to look at just the bonuses and I want to know where that money came from , where did the money come from?Did it all come from non-Idaho Power Company earnings or was some of the earnings of Idaho Power Company in those bonuses? Well, I'm not trying to answer you in a riddle.In 2001 , we had multiple subsidiaries that had positive earnings , so there was a variety of earnings which could have been sources, but practically speaking, Idaho Power , the utility, did not have enough earnings to cover its dividends; therefore , I maintain there was not sufficient enough to even cover its dividends, so it was not the source of executive bonuses, but as long as had positive earnings, kind of like the United Way, you can paint some of that earnings and say it went there, but as a practical matter , it could not cover its dividend. I guess just one little follow-up question on that and then I think I'll put it to bed.Because of the concern that we hear with that, I guess it would come back to the chart that we looked at, the 60, the 80 percent bonus received, I mean , doesn't that seem kind of CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1294 GALE (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 a large bonus if that was the Company's earnings si tuation that you would give out that large of bonuses to Idaho Power Company employees? I guess I need more specific on which people you're talking to, talking about.What I'm trying to convey is the Idaho Power Company earnings of that year was not sufficient to cover all its costs , pay its di vidends and still have some left over to pay bonuses. I understand, and let's just see if I can kind of - - okay, but that year it was determined that the officers , the senior officers, the level one and the level two managers received a huge , what I would classify as huge, percentage of a bonus.In the chart that Mr. Hol m had, it was 60 to 80 percent , in that range. My question is, that's perceived by the public , the ratepayers when they see those kind of bonuses and yet, you say the Company didn't have positive earnings, then are you telling me , then , that other subsidiaries then subsidized the bonuses for the Company? No, what I'm telling you -- well, in 2001 the other subsidiaries could have very well subsidized the bonuses for the employees.That could very well have happened in 2001. COMMISSIONER HANSEN:Thank you. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1295 GALE (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Gale, with regard to your proposal to have this seasonal rates in the summer , when the Company was looking at it , I'm sure, did you look at different alternatives as to how to structure this rate design? Ms. Brilz did.I wasn't the one selecting the alternatives. Do you know whether it was considered to have an initial block at a standard or winter rate and then put a surcharge on top of that? For the summer? Uh-huh. No,did not look at blocked rates. Do you think a policy matter there' something flawed about that approach? We believe that unitized pricing for energy is the correct way to price it , not of - - we are not advocates of blocked rates. So you re operating on - - I mean, there' a couple of different ways to look at trying to get at shaving the peak and one is that every kilowatt-hour consumed contributes equally to the peak and therefore, it ought to pay equally; is that your philosophy? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1296 GALE ( Com) Idaho Power Company83676 Well , when we're buying it , when we buy massive quantities of power , we're buying it at unitized prices.We're not buying blocks of prices. Finally, with regard to the customer charge the service charge or whatever you'calling it,think that'the single biggest complaint in the hundreds letters think the Commisslon has received from customers.They're very upset and offended by that and I know Ms. Brilz testified , I think it was , that you used to have a minimum rate where you paid a flat fee but it included some amount of usage every month and I think people feel when you do that, at least they get something for their money. Rightly or wrongly, the general public, think , perceives that that customer charge is just a penalty on them for being your customer and they don' understand why they cost you money because their meter has been there for 25 years and it hasn I t changed and it surely has been depreciated and all those, so do you know whether the Company has a policy against returning to kind of a minimum charge so if you wanted to collect $10.00 a month from every residential meter , you at least included some minimal amount of energy? First of all , you get two cracks at me on this because it's a maj or part of my rebut tal as well. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1297 GALE (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 But if I ask this question now , maybe you'll think on it before you come back for your rebuttal. I am ready to answer you now. Okay. , we specifically came off the minimum bill and I agree that customers' perception of this is not posi ti ve and I think a lot of it is in the perception.What we're trying to accomplish is moving along the lines of an access charge , which I think is a bet ter name than customer charge.Certainly, that has been met with a lot of disapproval , but access and energy is what I think is the right model eventually. And I was wi th you and I think I was an accomplice in the last case, because I think then we thought this industry was going to be divided, subdivided into three maj or sections.You were going to have your distribution , your transmission and your generation and it would be important if you saw that the industry was going that way to be sure you had the rates and costs aligned so that there wasn't any gross disallocation when the split happened , but I don't know, I think now in 2004 , we don't think that's going to happen, so why are we still trudging down this path? Commissioner Smith, it was , in large part, CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1298 GALE (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 this last ten years we've gone through and all the unbundling work that we went through that makes me think that is the right approach to strive to.Now , since the last rate case, dereg came upon us quickly and left just as quickly and I think the seeds are still out there for it to come again , given the right market circumstances and enough distance from the last set of memories, so would like to at least take a partial step towards preparing for it. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Well, I guess we'll see if your answers change on rebuttal. Mr. Kline, do you have redirect? MR. KLINE:I had one redirect question. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. KLINE: Staff attorney Nordstrom asked you a question about the Green program and she couched terms we 11 every utility has a Green program why do you feel ike you should get some kind of special credit for having a Green program.I s our Green program different than other people's Green program? Well, we launched the Green program ourselves.It's a voluntary program.The timing could CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1299 GALE (Di) Idaho Power Company83676 have been better because we launched it basically at the start of the energy crisis, but we believe that there is a market out there for customer choice to put extra dollars into Green resources and we feel very good about our Green program and its results during difficult times and support it and would like to see it succeed and with changing PCA rates , we hope it will. And are Green programs mandatory in a lot of states? I believe that's the case in some states. MR. KLINE:That's all. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Kline, and Mr.Commissioner Kj ellander.-- wait a minute. EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Gale, do you think that perhaps by voluntarily entering into a Green program Idaho Power may have dodged a mandatory Green Power program? Some others in the room may be better judges of that than me.Our initial and starting policy on Green was that it was better for Green to be a customer choice and not a mandate and we have said that CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1300 GALE (Com) Idaho Power Company83676 for at least four years. Okay, maybe you re not the best one to respond to this, but I'll ask the question.The other CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho states where it's mandatory was mandated by the legislatures in that state; correct? m aware it's been mandated by some COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER:Okay, thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Gale. legislatures. (The witness left the stand. MR. KLINE:Madam Chairman , that completes Idaho Power's presentation of its direct testimony, direct case. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you, Mr. Kline. witnesses? Mr. Richardson, shall we proceed to your MR. RICHARDSON:Yes , Madam Chairman , the Industrial Customers are prepared to call Dr. Reading and Mr. Teinert for their direct testimony and will reserve the right to spread the rebuttal testimony at a later time. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Let's go off the record. (Off the record discussion. COMMISSIONER SMITH:All right, we'll go 1301 COLLOQUY 83676 back on the record. MR. RI CHARDSON :The Industrial Customers of Idaho Power call Dr. Don Reading to the stand. DR. DON READING, produced as a witness at the instance of the Industrial Customers of Idaho Power, having been first duly sworn was examined and testified as follows: MR. MILLER:Madam Chairman. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Miller. MR. MILLER:Thank you , Madam Chairman. was wondering if you could give at least me an indication of whether you intend to start at 9: 00 0 ' clock tomorrow morning as well. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Tha t was my intention. MR. MILLER:Thank you for that clarification. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Oh, you are leaving. I get it now.9:00 o'clock. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1302 READING ICIP83676 DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. RI CHARDSON : Dr. Reading, are you the same Dr. Reading who caused prepared prefiled direct testimony and CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho exhibits numbered 201 through 205 to be filed in this Yes. Do you have any corrections or additions mat ter? to make to your prefiled testimony? Yes. Will you make those now , please? Yes.On page 6, line 19, it says Exhibit xx.It should say Chart On page 11 , line 3, it says again Exhibit xx, it should say Exhibit 202. 202? Yes. again , please? COMMISSIONER SMITH:Could you do that one THE WITNESS:Okay, page 11 , line 3, it should say Exhibit 202. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. THE WITNESS:And on page 5, lines 18 through 20, there are two numbers that change and then a The sentence should read, The variablesource for that. 1303 READING (Di) ICIP83676 costs of power production from Danskin have varied between $0.1678 -- MR. KLINE:Say again , please. THE WITNESS:$0.1678 per kilowatt-hour in 2 0 0 1 and $ 0 . 118 5 .I guess the cents should be eliminated, I'm sorry.If I use the dollar sign , the cents shouldn't be there, so it should be between $0.1678 and $0.1185 per kilowatt-hour in 2002 , and the source of that is FERC Form 1 , Idaho Power Company, 2001 , 2002 line 403 - - page 403 , line 34 , and these changes also were filed with discovery requests from the Company on my testimony and are the same as in that discovery request. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Let's be at ease for a moment. (Pause in proceedings. THE WITNESS:So these corrections can be found also in ICIP response to Idaho Power's first production request.I thank the Company for finding errors. BY MR. RI CHARDSON :Does that conclude your corrections and additions to your prefiled testimony and exhibits? Yes , it does. MR. RI CHARD SON :Madam Chairman, I would CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1304 READING (Di) ICIP83676 move that the prefiled direct testimony of Dr. Reading be spread upon the record as if it were read in full and Exhibits No. 201 through 205 be marked for identification purposes. COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there is no objection , it is so ordered. MR. RICHARDSON:Thank you Madam Chairman. (The following prefiled direct testimony of Dr. Don Reading is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1305 READING (Di) ICIP83676 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3 -13 In troduc tion Would you please state your name and address? Don Reading, Ben Johnson Associates, Boise, Idaho Have you prepared an appendix that describes your qualifications in regulatory and utility economics? Yes. Appendix A , attached to my testimony, serves this purpose. Does your testimony include any attachments? Yes. Attached are Exhibit 201: Danskin Station Costs;Exhibit 202: Danskin Generation Summary; Exhibit 203: Mtn. Home Generation Station; Exhibit 204: Mid-Columbia Prices; Exhibit 205: Proposed Change in Fixed and Energy Charges. What is your purpose in making your appearance at this hearing? Our firm has been retained by the Industrial Customers of Idaho Power (ICIP) to assist in the evaluation of Idaho Power'(Company, IPCo) rate application.General rate applications are usually complex , and that is certainly true of this one.I have review the Company's testimony and exhibits , as well as 1306 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- the discovery filed by the interveners and responses by the Company.My testimony will be focus only on several significant issues. Silence on other issues does not imply acceptance of the Company s position. Would you please describe how your testimony is organized? Yes. Following this introduction, my testimony has two maj or sections.The first section deals with the costs and assumed operating hours of the Company Danskin Station Generating Facility.The second section discusses how system loads on Idaho Power's system have changed dramatically over the past ten years with an increased focus on peaks on the system. 1307 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- Danskin Station Let's turn to your first maj or section , which is the impact on proposed rates from the inclusion of Idaho Power's Danskin Generating Station located in Mt. Home. Based on the Company's exhibits did you examine the contribution of the Danskin Station to generating resources? Yes.Company Exhibit 33 estimates power supply costs and the output of all Idaho Power's current generation assets given current system demand for each year for the period 1928 through 2003.The out pu t and power supply costs are thus normalized over the 75 year period for the water conditions that existed for that given year.An average is calculated that would represent the mean or expected output and power supply costs under normal water conditions to meet native load. Danskin Station's normalized average annual output over this 75 year period is 804.6 Mwh or the equivalent of just 8.9 hours per year.(Exhibit 33 , page 1 of 77; hours based on 90 MW)At this output, the fuel costs including the Fixed Capacity Charge - Gas Transportation , are $3.267 million.If you add the annual capital costs of $7.728 million (Idaho Power Company, Application p. "The annual revenue requirement associated with the 1308 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- construction of this peaking generating resource is $7,727 782.This leads to an average normalized annual cost of $10.995 million.The normalized average cost per kilowatt hours basis (kWh)(not MWh!) is $13. 65 . 1309 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3- ......\ -..--------- I $140. I $20. I $1J0. $80. $60. $40. Chart 1 '-' Danskin Station Cost per kWh max$130. ----.----. $20. $0. ~~$'~~'$$$$"'$" 1 " \ source: Exhibit 33 1.- - --- _._ In fact,as shown in the Chart 1 above and in Exhibit 201 over the normalized 75 year period the highest Mwh production from Danskin Station was found by the Company to be 2,886.3 in 1960 for a cost of $3.84 per kWh for that year.The highest is $130.51 in 1995. Station? Could you briefly describe the Danskin Generation 1310 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-E-O3- The generating plant consists of two (2) natural gas-fired combustion turbines rated at approximately 45 MW each (Uni t #2 and Unit #3) .It is located about two miles from Mountain Home, Idaho and first produced power in September 2001.It is supplied by gas from the Williams Northwest Pipeline located near the plant.Due to air quality standards the plant is limited in operations to 5,140 hours per year. 1311 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3- The Plant has been in operation since the fall of What has been the actual output of the facility?2001. The first unit (which is actually called unit #2) first produced power on September 25, 2001, followed by an on line date five days later by unit #3.(Idaho Power Company s Response to 3rd production Request of Commission Staff, page 34. ) . For calendar 2002 , the first full year of operation, output from Danskin was 43,368 Mwh (FERC Form 1, 2002 , page 403) Production costs that are listed for calendar 2002 are $5. million , which yields a running cost of 11.85 cents per kWh.However this does not include the annual capital costs of $7.7 million. When capital costs are included, the running costs go up to 29.7 cents per kWh. It should be remembered - - - and an economists ' favorite saying - - sunk costs are sunk.From the Company' prospective (and economically rational once the plant is built) the annual amortized cost of $7.7 million doesn matter in deciding when to operate the plant. As long as the variable costs - - primarily natural gas prices for a unit like this - - are covered by the market value of power, it will be rational to run the plant.The variable costs of power production from Danskin have varied between $0.1678 per kWh in 2001 and $0.1185 per 1312 Direct Testimony of Don Reading Ph. D. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3 -13 kWh in 2002.However , ratepayers in this case are being asked to shoulder the burden of the capital costs in their rates.From the ratepayers' prospective therefore the full cost - both variable and fixed - is the relevant cost. How do the costs you discussed above compare to what the Company told the Commission in their application for a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity (CPCN) about the operation of the plant? In its CPCN Application the Company described the expected operating costs of Danskin Station as follows: 1313 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3 - The preliminary estimate of the levelized cost per megawatt hour (MWh) would range from an upper level of $223 per MWh based on a capital cost for the Station of $55.2 million , 500hours of annual generation, and levelized fuel costs of $5.05 per MMBtu over the 30 -year life of the Station, to a lower range cost of $77 per MWh based on a Station cost of $46 million 140 hours of annual dispatch, and average fuel costs of $5.05 per MMBtu. (Idaho Public Utilities Commission Order No. 28773, Case No. IPC-01-12, July 11 , 2001, page 5. This means that the actual cost of 29.7 cents per kWh for 2002 was 33% higher than the highest estimated cost, and 385% higher than the lowest estimate.It should be remembered that 2002 was a low water year when output of the plant would be expected to be high and hence one would expect the cost per kWh to be on the low end of the range. How does the estimated cost range for Danskin output found in the Company s CPCN compare to the normalized range presented by the Company in this case? As shown above and in Chart 1 the normal i zed range of output and demand over the 75 year period presented by the Company in this case varies from a low of $3. per kWh to a high of $130.51 per kWh.This translates into 1 285% higher than actual on the low end to 43,943% higher on the high end.So both the actual and expected 1314 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-E-O3 - costs significantly exceed what the Company told the Commission they expected would be the costs to ratepayers for the output of this plant when they applied for their CPCN. Based on the information presented to it by the Company did the Commission authorize the construction of Danskin Station? Yes.However in its Order authorizing the plant, the Commission expressed discomfort about the amount of information provided by the Company. The Company needs to provide the Commission with more information. What other alternatives were considered? What was 1315 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP Case No. IPC-O3 - the Company's forecasted need? The Company expressed concern that we will assess its decision to build based on hindsight and from a perspective of changed market conditions. We assure the Company that the review standard employed by the Commission will be what Company knew or should have known at the time it made its decision to build. (IPUC Order No. 28773, page 13. The Company offered and the Commission accepted a Commitment Estimate" for the capital cost portion of the plant.Did the final cost of the facility fall at or below that estimate? Idaho Power Committed that capital costs would not exceed $55.2 million.According to the Company' Application in this case the cost of construction was approximately $49 million"This construction cost has led to the Company s request for the annual revenue requirement of $7 727,782 associated in the investment in the Danskin Power Plant.(Application, page 7. If the investment costs for Danskin Station were lower than the "Commitment Estimate" why are the actual operating costs and the expected normalized costs so much higher? As shown above, Idaho Power based its operating estimates for running the plant on an assumption that it would run between 500 and 5,140 hours per year. Even 1316 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-E-O3 - though the last 2 years have been exceptionally dry, the plant has only been on line at the low end of the estimated range. Unit #2 was first synchronized at 18: 55 on 9/25/01. Between that date/time and the end of the month of October 2003, unit #2 operated for a total of 1 268 hours. Unit #3 was first synchronized at 21: 27 on 9/30/01. Between that date/time and the end of the month of October 2003 , unit #3 operated for a total of 1 235.hours. Between 18: 55 on 9/25/01 and the end of October 2003 , at least one unit was on line for a total of 1,714.58 hours. (Idaho Power Company's Response to 3rd Production Request ofCommission Staff, Response to Request No. 86 pages 34 35. 1317 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-E-O3- This means Unit #2 has averaged 634 hours annually over the last two years, while Unit #3 has averaged 617. hours annually.For the combined units at least one was on line for an annual average of 857.29 hours.The estimate is close to the low range of 500 hours however is only 1/6th the high range. With capital costs fixed at $7.7 million per year plus the fixed capacity charge for gas transport of $3.2 million the annual fixed costs of the plant are $10.9 million.Therefore the cost of production on a kWh basis are highly dependent on the number of hours the facility is in operation.It appears that even in dry years, like the last two , the plant will not be run in a range that will produce power at a reasonable cost. The Company estimates the cost of output from Danskin from a low of $3.84 per kWh to a high of $130. per kWh.Why are these costs so much higher than predicted by the Company and which were used as the basis for the Commissions approval? Based on both actual operations and expected needs, the hours of operation are significantly less than the Company claimed in its application. 1318 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3- For the immediate future, Idaho Power indicates that it intends to operate the Station 5,140 hours per year, i. e., up to the limit allowedby its air quality permit. Once the Garnet project comes on line in 2004 , however, the role of the Mountain Home Station, Staffstates, could change. (IPUC Order No. 28773 page 7. Therefore, the Company expected the plant to be on line for over 5,000 hours through 2004.In reality the plant has operated only 2 686 hours since its only line date through December 2003.(Idaho Power Company's Response to the 1st Production Request of ICIP , Response to Request No. 53,54. see Exhibit 202) This means the plant has operated just over half the claimed hours in the past and 1/3 years.Because the hours of operation have been so limited the cost of output on a kWh basis is very high. 1319 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- Did Idaho Power intend the Danskin Plant to fill native load or for off system sales? In a response to a Staff Production Request in Case No. IPC-01-12 (the CPCN application) the Company stated; Idaho Power is proposing to develop the Mountain Home Generation proj ect to serve the needs of Idaho Power's native load customers. There may be times when all or a portion of the Station's generation is surplus to the needs of Idaho Power's native load customers.Idaho Power Company's Response to the First Production Request of the Commission Staff, Case No. IPC-01-, Response to Request No. 8. ) While that may be true, the number of hours from the facility needed to serve native load is low and thus the cost is high.In response to an ICIP production request the Company provided a Mtn. Home Generation Station Operating Plan dated July 7, 2001 - just before the Commission issued its CPCN for the plant.(Idaho Power Company's Response to First Production Request of the ICIP , Response No. 57; Exhibit 203)This document 1320 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-E-O3- indicated expected operating hours for the plant to be 673 for the last 5 months of 2000; 4,344 for 2001; 952 for 2002 , 1 682 for 2003 , and just 848 for 2004 and 2005.These are significantly less that the 5,140 hours in the ' immediate future' that Idaho Power presented to the Commission. Do you know why the hours of operations of Danskin Station have been so limited? The Company probably assumed it would use the plant for secondary sales as well as to meet native load needs. This would mean the plant would be on line sufficient hours to bring the costs on a kWh basis in line with what the Company expected would be the costs of power. 1321 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. D. On Behalf of ICIP Case No. IPC-O3 -13 Idaho Power's marketing and trading analysts have indicated that annual heavy load period market prices for the next few years will likely be in the range of $50 to $350 per MWh. The estimated forward price is approximately $350 per MWh for April 1 through March 2002. The five to ten years forward prices currently are in the range of $55 per MWh. Hourly prices have historically been several times the annual average and could be in excess of $1000 per MWh in the near term. (Idaho Power Application Case No. IPC-01-12, page 4. Note this reference is to the Company's marketing and trading arm.In reality prices in the secondary market have not been as high as they predicted.What is irrational about the Company s estimates is that the upper range could be sustained for an extended period of time.At prices equal to 35 cents per kWh the market would be expected to adjust with customer curtailments and fuel switching.Even if Danskin would have been on line the full 5 140 hours per year , market prices would need to be above $77 per MWh for the plant to be cost effective for secondary sales. You indicated that Danskin would be used for secondary sales as well as to meet native load needs. What has been the experience since the plant came on line? The Company does not specifically identify any generation resource when making off system sales. 1322 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. D. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-E-O3- However the Company, in a good faith effort to respond to the ICIP' s production request , did provide estimates based on operating parameters of their system. However , because Danskin is the highest cost Company-owned resource and in order to make a good faith effort to respond to this request, in the attached information the Company has assumed that in any hour that the Company was a net purchaser , generation from Danskin was used to serve native load; and conversely, in any hour that the Company was a net seller generation from Danskin was generated for off system sales. (IPCo Response the 1st Production Request of the ICIP , Response 53,54. 1323 10a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- The results of that modeling effort indicate Danskin Station produced 106,192 MWh from its on line date in the fall of 2000 through the end of December 2003.(See Exhibit 202.Of that amount 78 452 MWh or 73.9% were assumed to serve for native load.It is apparent that estimates of operating hours for Danskin for off system sales have not developed.For example for 2003 the estimate of generating for off system sales was only 655 hours. Wouldn't it be fair to look at the decision in the context of the chaos in the energy markets in 2000 and 2001? Certainly.The turmoil in energy markets during 2000 and the first half of 2001 are well known.In the fall of 2000 and early 2001 the Company had engaged in several programs to obtain power, including industrial and irrigation buy backs in order to obtain power needed to serve load.As indicated in the Chart 2 (Exhibit 204 page 1.) below prices for electricity on the market reached unprecedented levels in December 2001 and remained high through the spring of 2001. 1324 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-03- Chart 2 ------- Mid~Olumbia On pea ctricpr :~MWhr - $3,500 ----- ----------.--..---'-.--.----- 000 $2,500 n_._-'---' --. $2,000 ---:!:... $1,500 Commission Application Approve On Line $1,000 $500 . --- " .... ~f1I ,~f1I ,~f1I ,~f1I ..$.'" " \1' "\1' , ~", ..$.f1I ,~f1I ~", ~f1I ~",'" "J' ~\ "\ \ Q,' ,, '" '" "J' ~\ "\ \ Q,' ,, source: WSJ. Dow Jones ,~uml:lillindex - ':"":'~ ~'-'----_.._-' In Chart 2 you have indicated when the application for Danskin was filed, when the Commission approved the CPCN, and the on line date.It looks like market prices had changed dramatically by the time the Commission issued its Danskin CPCN Order.Could you explain? Chart 3 (Exhibit 204 , page 2.) below shows for the year 2001 the Dow Jones Mid-Columbia Index , application date, Commission approval, and the on line date for Danskin. 1325 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- Chart 3 -.-----'----.-----____ .....n -.---,-------... Mid-Columbia On Peak Electric Price $MWhr $600 --- Application $500 $400 ... $300 Commission Approve On Line $200 $100 ____n ':'':'':'':'':'':' ~rp ~rp ~rv oj.Ao.\ ':' source: WSJ, Dew Jones Mid-Columbia Index L___ __- ----...---.----'-------- Note that by the time the Commission approved the CPCN market conditions had changed dramatically and by the time the plant came on line the price for market power was back to pre-2000 levels.This meant the ability to run the plant and make a profit diminished even when including only the variable expenses and not the fixed 1326 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3- costs.It also shows that prices were not remaining at the $350 per Mwh through March 2002 as predicted by Idaho Power s marketing and trading analysts.This should have a warning to the Company that they needed to reassess the economic viability of the plant. discussed above, the Commission had asked for more information and documentation about the facility. It would have been wise for the Company to reassess at the time of the 1327 13a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- Commissions approval.Even if there had been expenditures up to that date, the Company could have come to the Commission for ratemaking treatment.That would have been a better choice than now asking ratepayers to assume the costs of a plant that will sit idle most of time. What type of ratemaking treatment are you referring to? The Company could have ceased construction and sought recovery of its then sunk costs. Did the Danskin Generating Station fit within the Company's Integrated Resource Plan (IRP)? Idaho Power acknowledged during the application process that Danskin was not part of their IRP. Idaho Power acknowledges that the Mountain Home Station is not identified in the Near-Term Act ion Plan in the Company s 2000 IRP. Nevertheless, Idaho Power believes that construction of the Station is consistent withthe IRP. The Station provides a cost-effective al ternati ve to planned wholesale marketpurchases. Idaho Power believes that recent market prices for purchased power create a unique circumstance to be addressed for the 2001-2004 period. (Idaho Power Application Case No. IPC-01-12, page 4. 1328 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3 - The Commission in approving Danskin recognized what it characterized as 'volatility ' in the electric spot market that could mean deviation from the IRP would be justified.However the Commission also firmly stated there was not sufficient information available to make a least cost decision. We are convinced that the volatility of the electric spot market created a situation that justified a deviation from the Company's 2000 IRP and its actions in developing plans for the Mountain Home Station. The information provided however is insufficient to determine the reasonableness of the related costs. Asreflected 1329 14a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. D. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3- in Staff comments, it is unknown whether the Mountain Home Station was the leastcost al ternati ve. Because the Mountain Home Station was not selected pursuant to a RFP process, we are unable to conclude based on the information provided that the commitment estimate is reasonable. The Company in its Application, we note, also provides nocomparison of al ternati ves (al ternati ves available but not chosen). As reflected in its comments , Power Development Associates believes it offered the Company a better project. Communication and timing appear to be factors in the Company's decision to proceed with its own proj ect . It also appears that the Company s choice of equipment may be better sui ted to later conversion to combined cycle. There is no record as to whether other al ternati ves were also considered and rej ected. We are unconvinced that the best measure of thecost of al ternati ve resources is market price estimates in effect at the time the decision to proceed was made. The record supporting such afinding remains to be developed. (IPUC Order No. 28773, page 12. It appears the Commission skepticism has been proven by time.As shown in Chart 3, 2002 market conditions had already changed by the time the Commission gave its approval in July of 2001. How has Idaho Power Company responded the Commissions skepticism and the lack of an al ternati ve to Danskin? Idaho Power apparently rushed the proj ect in response to then-current market prices and the potential benefits of generation. 1330 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP Case No. IPC-O3 -13 In summary, given high market prices for power and the extremely high demand for turbines at the time, the sooner a combustion turbineproj ect could be constructed, the greater itsvalue. While the Commission's Order No. 28773 tended to minimize high current market prices as a justification for constructing the Danskin proj ect, it must be remembered that at the time no one was sure what market prices would be in the future. At the time, FERC was continuing to refuse to impose hard market caps in the West and its public pronouncements repeated the market would be permitted to operate to takecare of the energy supply problem. At the time, the 1331 15a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. D. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- prospect for continuing high market prices as very real. Considering the market prices experienced at the time of the decision to proceed with Danskin, potential customer cost savings from a proj ect like Danskin were on theorder of $10 to $20 million per month. (IPCo Response to 4th Production Request of Commission Staff, Response 88. As indicated in the Charts above, at the time the Commission approved the plant , prices - - while high by today's standards - - were different than in the proceeding months of extremely high prices.These changing market conditions should have given the Company pause and caused them to take a new look at the plant before attempting to saddle ratepayers with a fixed cost of nearly $11 million per year for limited output at outrageous costs. The Company has recently received a CPCN for the Bennett Mountain generating facility. When this peaking plant becomes part of Idaho Power's system how is it expected to effect the operation of Danskin Station? As indicated by the Company above, Danskin is Idaho Power s highest cost resource.The will not change with addition of Bennett Mountain to Idaho Power's generating resource portfolio: Both plants are intended to meet Idaho Power 1332 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3 - peak load requirements in the summer and winter daytime hours. With the Bennett Mountain plant not yet online, the Danskin plant operated slightly more than 500 hours during 2002 , and operated approximately 475 hours through September of 2003. Both years have been considered low water years in which above normal thermal generation and market purchases have been required. Since first going online in August 2001 , Danskin has operated in all but two months. Once Bennett Mountain becomes available, however , Danskin will likely operate far less hours. Both plants will need to be operated at times during the summer daytime hours, but still , Staff believes Danskin' operation could easily be cut in half from its current operational level. (IPUC Staff Comments, Case No. IPC-E- 03 -12) 1333 16a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- At 500 hours the full cost of output to ratepayers from Danskin is about $0.25 per kWh. However staff estimates that it will run ' far less' and the output easily' cut in half.At 250 hours per year the cost per kWh is 48.8 cents.Remember this is the estimate for the driest years, on average -- according to the Company filing the plant on average produced about 800 MWh. half this amount or 400 MWh per year the plant costs to ratepayers on a per kWh (again NOT MWh) will be $27. after Bennett Mountain comes on line. What recommendations do you have for the Commission in dealing with the very high cost the Company is asking ratepayers to shoulder in relation to the Danskin Generating Station? Certainly market conditions have changed, but the magni tude of the cost difference that the Company is asking ratepayers to pay and the exceptions presented to the Commission are huge and it is unreasonable to expect ratepayers to pay this amount.The Company did have the al ternati ve of reassessing, but pushed ahead even while the market prices were declining. I recommend the Commission not give the Company rate base treatment for Danskin Station.This recommendation is 1334 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. D.On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3 - especially compelling since the Company is going ahead with the Bennett Mountain plant which will cause Danskin to run even less. If the Commission followed your recommendations would the Company need to write-off the full costs of the facility? There certainly would be significant costs.However the Company has indicated the generators could be sold. 1335 17a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- If the generators were not ratebased and were not considered operating property, the Company would be able to sell the generators at a later date if it so chose.(Idaho Power Company' Response to the First Production Request of the Commission Staff , Case No. IPC-01- Response to Request No. There could be other aspects of the plant that would allow for some cost recovery.Not allowing the plant in ratebase may be expensive for the Company; however , if it is allowed in ratebase it will be much more expensive for ratepayers. Normal zing Peak Idaho Power s last rate case was ten years ago.How do the Company s loads compare to those that existed during the last rate case? As surprising as it sounds energy consumption from native load is virtually the same as it was 10 years ago. The Company's 1993 annual normalized system load used in the IPC-E- 94 - 5 case was 14. million megawatt-hours (MWh). The Company' 2003 annual normalized system load used in this case is 14.1 million MWh. The annual system 1336 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3- load served today is approximately the same as it was ten years ago. (Idaho Power Direct Testimony of Greg Said, page 3, lines 8 to 13. On a normalized basis consumption demand actually declined by 100,000 kWh annually.The maj or reason for this change has been the loss of the Astaris (FMC) load of 1.7 million MWh.In addition the Company has phased out FERC jurisdictional contract loads.While total load is flat compared to 10 years ago, there has been significant shifts in use from various customer classes. These shifts had led to a substantial change in the load profile of the Company. 1337 18a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. D. On Behalf of ICIP, Case No. IPC-O3- The FMC contract as well as the concluded FERC contracts that existed ten years ago provided the Company with relatively consistent monthly loads that were somewhat flat throughout theyear. The FMC load had an interrupt iblecomponent. Load growth wi thin the various customer classes has tended to be much more seasonal and dependent upon weather. As a resul t of the loss of relatively flat loads and the addition of non- interruptible seasonal loads, the Company's Integrated Resource Plan now shows the need for summer peaking resources (June, July, and August) and winter peakingresources (November and December). (Idaho Power Direct Testimony of Greg Said, page 4, lines 13 to 23 , line 1. What has been the reaction of the Company to this dramatically different load profile? One significant reaction has been the proposed shift in rate structure for all classes of customers in reducing kWh charges and increasing customer and demand (Exhibi t 203.rates. 1338 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- Percent Change in Proposed Fixed, Demand Energy Charges by Customer Class I 30. 20. 10. 10. 20. Chart 4 30. ~ixed . o;""and 0 ~nergy ~ala .ource: F'os P- _I of Energy Coat~on. Res"""."", Reqoosl No, Idaho Power states the primary approach to ratemaking is to reflect costs " as accurately as possible Idaho Power Direct Testimony of John R. Gale, page 11, lines 8. )Along with the proposed increases in fixed and demand changes, the Company has introduced both seasonal and diurnal rates. 1339 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-E-O3- Are there other responses the Company has made to address the shift in system load profile? Yes.Historically, the Company has maintained that its system was 'energy constrained' not 'capacity constrained' This was due to the fact that it has a relatively high percent of its generation portfolio in hydro plants and its largest customer (Astaris/FMC) was largely interruptible.The Company could follow peak loads through the manipulation of its dams or through its ability to curtail its largest customer. The loss of the Astaris/FMC interruptible load, and additional operating constraints on its hydro facilities (primarily for environmental concerns) have changed the Company supply resources.In addition, a load profile that is more peak sensitive on the demand side has caused the Company to invest in peaking gas fired generation This is a dramatic change.resources.As discussed above the latest units - - both Danskin Station and the proposed Bennett Mountain plant - - are gas peaking units. Addressing peak has now become a priority for the Company. Because of these changes to Idaho Power's electric system can you think of other potential changes? 1340 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. D. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3 - Due to these significant changes in the systems load profile, there should be a wholesale change in the way the Company looks at both its resources and customer demands.For example , demand side management (DSM) programs now has a different cost effective measuring stick.Rather than being focused on primarily on energy savings, they should also address the cost effectiveness of shaving peak.Another example may be the viability of a pump-storage generating units.Fifteen years ago the Company made a compelling case that this type of unit would not be cost effective.Wi th the changes the system has undergone this may no longer be true. Because peak on the system has taken on such importance in the Company's resource planning and rate design, do you think there should be a difference in the 1341 21a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- way Idaho Power looks at peak? While the Company has a sophisticated weather normalization model for energy it does not weather normalize peak demand , either for the system or customer classes.In 1994 the Company did use weather adjusted peaks in their Marginal Cost Study. No, Idaho Power has never developed a method for weather normalizing peak loads by class for the purpose of a Cost of Service study. However , weather-adjusted system peaks were estimated for the purpose of the Marginal Cost Study published in January 1994. No studies had been done since then. (IPCo Response to 1st Production Request of ICIP , Response 49. At this time the Company states it is not planning to develop a method of weather adjusting peak. Request No. 51: Does the Company anticipate any future use of weather normalization of peakloads? If not please explain fully why not.Response to Request No. 51: No. At this time the Company is not developing any methodology to weather normalize peak loads by class for the purpose of a Cost of Service Study. Why do you feel it is important for the Company to examine peak demands on a weather normalized basis? Peak demands are used by the Company in both its jurisdictional allocation studies and in customer class allocation factors in its Cost of Service Studies. 1342 Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3 - the extent that different customer classes (or jurisdictions) react differently to peak under different weather conditions the allocation factors that are developed would not be the same as those calculated from unadjusted data.This could mean a miss assignment of costs. The Company uses weather normalized energy for resource planning and the calculation of revenue requirement. Now, with the substantial change in the Company s load profile, 1343 22a Direct Testimony of Don Reading, Ph. On Behalf of ICIP , Case No. IPC-O3- ratepayers are being asked to pay increased fixed charges and fund peaking generation plant based on peak needs. The Company needs to investigate how peak loads react to weather conditions and what impact that it may have on inter-class allocations.The Commission should require the Company to undertake a peak weather normalized investigation. Does this conclude your testimony on February 20, 2003 Yes. 1344 open hearing. (The following proceedings were had in MR. RICHARDSON:Dr. Reading is available for cross-examination. Dr. Reading? COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you. BY MR. EDDIE: Mr. Budge, do you have questions for MR. BUDGE:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Eddie. MR . EDD IE:I have one quick question. CROSS-EXAMINATION Dr. Reading, have you had a chance to review the direct testimony filed by Ralph Cavanagh in CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho Yes, I briefly reviewed it. Would you support the Commission initiating an investigation into the type of true- mechanism for fixed cost recovery that Ralph has The quick answer is yes , and let me qualify for a second. Please. this case? proposed? 1345 READING (X) ICIP83676 Dr. Cavanagh, as near as I can understand he never used the word decoupl ing .I don't know if it' taken on a prejorative meaning now in hearing rooms , but basically as I understand what he was proposing, it was a proposal like that.I would support opening a docket to investigate it.Personally I'm - - I don't know whether m confused.m uncertain on where I would be, think.The devil may lie in the details on something like that , but given the context of this case and what see as a new Idaho Power as far as their load profile is concerned , I think anything that could further peak shaving, load management, those kinds of things would be worthwhile. So you think Mr. Cavanagh's proposal could get at that issue you're targeting? Yes, it potentially could, so I think it along, personal feeling it along, with a lot of other issues I would support investigation of. MR . EDD IE:Thank you.Tha t 's it. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Purdy. MR. PURDY:I have no questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Gollomp. MR . GOLLOMP:I have no questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Ward. MR. WARD:No questions. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1346 READING (X) ICIP83676 COMMISSIONER SMITH:How about the Staff. MR. STUTZMAN:No questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Mr. Kline or Ms. Moen. MR. KLINE:I have some questions. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. KLINE: Dr. Reading Yes. - - in order to - - these first set of questions I'll talk about your Danskin testimony. order to kind of put this in context, I would like to just walk through a little bit of a chronology of various events as they I re associated with Danskin.Isn' it correct that Idaho Power applied for the certificate for public convenience and necessity on April 4th , 01, does that sound right? I may have had February in my testimony, but that time frame.Yes, I would not challenge that. All right, and would you agree that the Commission approved and gave the approval to the Company s application for a certificate on July 11th? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1347 READING (X) ICIP83676 Yes. Okay. Did I say 19th?I was pulling this stuff off the web.I would acceptAgain, not significant. that. All right, and would you also accept that the proj ect came on line toward the end of September? Yes. All right.Now , in reading your testimony, you've expressed the opinion that somewhere between the date when the Commission approved the certificate for the project, July 11th, and the end of September when it came on line that the Company should have canceled the Danskin proj ect; is that correct? I think the terminology I used was they should have seriously reassessed it and they had some potential avenues of cancelling it, delaying it, et cetera, and that was based on what was going on in the market and prices around the time that the Commission approved.As I remember , Mr. Prescott said prices had come down in June, so in the June , July, August time frame, given what was going on in the market, I think the Company should have had a very serious reassessment. In fact, you said on page 14, beginning on line 8 , that the Company could have ceased construction CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1348 READING (X) ICIP83676 and sought recovery of its then sunk costs.That kind of sounds like cancellation, doesn't it? Yes, that was an avenue that was open to the Company that I think they should have taken. And the reason that you think the Company should have taken that action in looking at your testimony -- Madam Chairman.MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Richardson.COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Kl ine hasMR. RI CHARDSON : mischaracterized Dr. Reading s testimony.At line page 14, it says , "The Company could have.It doesn't say " The Company should have.I think there's a distinction there. Mr. Kl i ne .COMMISSIONER SMITH: The correct is "could," yes.MR. KLINE: Okay.COMMISSIONER SMITH: The basis for yourBY MR. KLINE: recommendation that the Company could have canceled the Danskin plant was based on the fact that market prices had declined from the levels that had been in effect in April when they first initiated this proj ect; isn't that right? Correct , and let me expand on that a little., prices had come down; and B, it was obvious CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho READING (X) ICIP 1349 83676 that the economy could not sustain prices at $0.35 a kilowatt-hour , $0.25 a kilowatt-hour.Prices were going to come down.How much , and exactly when , a kilowatt-hour I will state were not completely known, but the fact that they would not stay at that high of a price to me was obvious and so once they started down , then that should have been a real signal to the Company that they needed to reassess where they were. Did the ICIP intervene in the Company' certificate proceeding? I would have to ask my barrister.I don know.I was not asked - - I was not a participant in that case. But if it was so obvious to everyone, why didn t they intervene and bring this to the attention of the Commission? I don t know , and the only thing I can say is certainly, in my peer group of economists that I talk to, we all talked about the fact this just couldn last. Well , we'll get back to the obviousness of it in a second.Looking at the market prices that you use to support your conclusion, those market prices are in fact Mid-C spot market daily, prices are they not? Correct, from the Wall Street Journal. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1350 READING (X) ICIP83676 And looking at the chart that you - - guess it's Chart No.3 on page 13 of your testimony. Yes. The data points that are on the line that goes up and down, those are all daily Mid-C spot prices, are they not? Correct. And you obtained these , as you indicated, by going back and looking at what was published in the Wall Street Journal for the various days that would make up the time stream that you ve got on thi s chart; correct? Correct.I was actually during that time frame pulling the prices off from the Wall Street Journal.Shortly after this, I can't remember exactly, pulled it off their website and you had to start paying for it.At this time you could go on and pull those prices down. But all of these prices that you have incl uded on your chart here are prices that Idaho Power would not have known at the time it made the decision to go forward, are they? It's obvious, Mr. Kline , that if we knew what electric prices were going to be at some point in the future and we knew that, we wouldn't be in this CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1351 READING (X) ICIP83676 Hearing Room.We would be in Biminey or Acapulco or wherever.The point is that when the Company started its planning, prices were in chaos.They were very high. I have stated, in my mind it was obvious they could not stay that high, so the Company should have been watching what was going on and when they started to come down, that should have been a signal to them that there had been some fundamental changes the market and, therefore, their assumption that this plant, that the Danskin plant, could run up to, over 5,000 hours needed to be reassessed and needed to be relooked at. But isn't it so obvious today because we're now looking back at what occurred, it certainly was not obvious at the time, was it? I am certainly sympathetic and the Commission had in its Order, you know, Monday morning quarterbacking or looking back , I agree with you that things always look clearer in the rear-vision mirror; however , as I said, prices, in my mind prices, were so very high that the Company on a resource that is going be so expensive , not being run that much should have been looking at not only that plant but also alternatives. When you say the prices were so high, do you mean the market prices? , I meant if you don't run Danskin at CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1352 READING (X) ICIP83676 000 hours a year , that if you run Danskin at what the Company in this case has filed that they expect Danskin to run , then you re looking at, as I remember , I'd have to look, $13.65 a kilowatt-hour.If that is the price per kilowatt-hour , it should have been a signal to the Company to say maybe there is a better way to get it. In fact, as I remember Mr. Prescott to Mr. Richardson's question when he said at these kind of - - for $50 million , couldn't the Company have done something else and he said perhaps.It's that perhaps that I'm honing in on. But the perhaps depends on what you know at the time, doesn't it , and not what you look at with 20-20 hindsight as you have said? Well , sure, and I am not saying it's easy, but what I didn't see in any of my investigation was the Company considering anything else or looking at al ternati ves , and the al ternati ves the Commission asked in their Order issued in July that it wanted more information about, that still hasn t occurred and it should have occurred back in the July time frame. Oh, in fact , Mr. Prescott and others have provided this Commission with additional information in this case that would satisfy that requirement, don't you agree? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1353 READING (X) ICIP83676 , I don't agree.As I said in my testimony - - maybe it's rebuttal , so I shouldn't say. No, I do not think either the Staff or Mr. Prescott from my perspective adequately answered the Commission' questions.The Commissioners, of course, are the ul timate deciders in that. All right, I'd still like to focus a little bit more on what the Company knew or should have known at the time it received the certificate from the Commission.At that point in time, the Company testified, Mr. Prescott has testified , that the forward prices for power were substantially higher than the spot market prices you have presented in your testimony; isn' that correct? That's what he testified to, yes. Isn I t that really the better measure of what the Company knew at the time it made the decision that is , the forward prices? I will answer that as kind of.The Company should be looking at both forward prices and spot prices and analyzing what is going on in the market and what they will need to pay for power , so the answer is yes, certainly, they should be looking at forward prices but the fact that the spot prices had come down so significantly and for a couple of months, if you start CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1354 READING (X) ICIP83676 when Mr. Prescott says, they started down in June, June and July, you had a couple of months of relatively low prices, relatively low and that should have been a signal to the Company that maybe their analysis on the cost effectiveness of this resource would no longer be valid and they needed to reassess those costs. But a spot price, a daily spot price , is nothing more than what was paid in the daily market on the day that price was set; isn t that correct? Absolutely correct. And if you take a string of those spot prices, all you ve really recorded is what was done historically; isn't that correct? Yes, and it was a time period when you were coming out of a very high price and those prices were so high that you knew there would be both a demand and a supply response and when you saw a series of relatively low prices over a couple of months, that should have been a red flag.That's my point. Okay, on page 14 of your testimony, line 8, again , this is the one I referred to before, you mentioned that at that point in time the Company could have ceased construction and sought recovery of its then sunk costs.Were you here when Mr. Prescott testified yesterday? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1355 READING (X) ICIP83676 Yes. And at that time he testified that at the end of June, Idaho Power had expended approximately $30 million on the Danskin proj ect.Do you recall that testimony? Yes, I do. And that was approximately 65 percent of the total amount that the Company ultimately spent on the plant; is that correct? Yes. All right, I know you've been around this business a long time, Dr. Reading, so I'm going to ask you this question not seeking your legal opinion, but are you aware of the statute in the State of Idaho in which a company s construction work in progress - - construction work in progress for electric utilities, that the Commission is not permitted to allow a utility construction work in progress, are you familiar with that statute? Generally. And isn t it true that under that statute that facilities that are not currently used and useful aren t going to be permitted into rates, do you recall that? Yeah. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1356 READING (X) ICIP83676 Would you imagine that if the Company at that point in time had come to this Commission and said ve spent $30 million , we want to cancel this plant and we want to accrue those costs in our rates that it would have met some resistance, perhaps even from the Industrial Customers? Very possibly.The point I was attempting to make was that given your reference and my non-legal lawyer understanding of the statute that there were certain parts of the plant and the maj or expenditures that were fungible; for instance , the turbines potentially could have been resold, then the Company had the right to come to the Commission and certainly make an attempt to say oops , we've reassessed , we think some kind of load curtailment would be cheaper, some kind of other ways of deal ing with thi s would be cheaper and I' uncertain - - I wouldn't want to speculate what the Commission would do, but some honest dealing coming out of the chaos may have received some sympathy. On page 14 , line 3 of your testimony, you indicate that, and starting on line 2 , talking about the choice of cancelling the plant, you indicate that you believe it would have been a better choice than now asking ratepayers to assume the costs of a plant that will sit idle most of the time. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1357 READING (X) ICIP83676 Correct. The sitting idle, isn't that really what peakers do most of the time? Yeah , by definition , a peaker is a higher cost plant than a base load plant because it does sit idle.We're into semantics here, most of the time, some of the time , yes, because it sits idle at least some of the time. Wouldn I t we all agree, I guess, that in the context of the prices of a base load plant, the prices of a peaking unit are quite expensive? (Pause in proceedings. BY MR. KLINE:I will withdraw that last question. I can't remember it anyway. That's what I figured.You ve now recommended to the Commission that the Company not receive any rate base treatment for the Danskin plant; correct? Yes, at least until it can provide in my mind what the Commission asked for, but at this point in time, that's my recommendation. Following on that same premise , on page 17 , lines 26 and 27, you say that if the Commission and the question is if the Commission followed your CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1358 READING (X) ICIP83676 recommendation and the Company had to write off the full cost of the facility, you state the Company has indicated the generators could be sold. Yes. If the Commission agrees and doesn' include the plant in rate base and the Company sells the Danskin equipment , then , obviously, that resource is no longer going to be available for serving loads; correct? Yes. And you indicated that you were here yesterday when Mr. Prescott testified and he advised that in his opinion there would be times where even with Bennett Mountain and all of the Company's other resources the Danskin unit could run to address transmission problems and other problems, do you recall that? Yes. If you assume that the Danskin is gone and we do have that kind of transmission problem and as a result the Company has a difficult time serving loads, m assuming that the Industrial Customers of Idaho Power will be satisfied with the service interruptions, with them receiving those service interruptions to deal with the problem? I don't accept your hypothetical. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1359 READING (X) ICIP83676 point is that for this amount of money that there are other ways in which the equivalent of the Danskin output of a few hours a day could be solved to serve load and could run through a whole litany of those , some of which are in my testimony, such as peak shaving, such as offering interruptibility.Mr. Richardson had a series of questions that maybe if there is a problem in the Treasure Valley with transmission that maybe there could be a kicker for PURPA.My point is that at the very high cost on a per kilowatt-hour basis of Danskin there would be a less expensive way to have the system be able to serve loads at a cheaper price with these other kinds of programs. And the Industrial Customers are willing to take the risk of the implementation of those programs? m simply expressing what my opinion would be a viable al ternati ve. Looking at page 9 of your testimony, Dr. Reading, line 24, you talk about or you state that the Company probably assumed it would use the plant and I guess that's Danskin? Yes. - - for secondary sales as well as to meet native loads.That's simply speculation on your part CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1360 READING (X) ICIP83676 isn't it? Yes, and it was phrased like that and the last two years, I think , 25 percent of the output was off-system; is that what my exhibit shows?Yes, Exhibit 202, it shows for the period in which the Company provided data that 73.9 percent of the time it was for native load and 26 percent of the time it was for secondary load. What that shows is that during the time the Company was making surplus sales , Danskin was running, that's the correlation , isn't it? Sure , and that does not surprise me and as I made a point in my testimony that once sunk costs are sunk , then as long as the gas prices are sufficient relative to off-system , it makes sense from the Company' perspective to run the plant. And that benefits customers as well, does it not? Sure. MR. KLINE:That's all I have. COMMISSIONER SMITH:All right, it appears there are no questions from the Commission. Do you have redirect , Mr. Richardson? MR. RICHARDSON:Just two, Madam Chairman. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1361 READING (X) ICIP83676 BY MR. RI CHARDSON : REDIRECT EXAMINATION Dr. Reading, I'm no economist, but it strikes me that, and tell me if I'm wrong here, there I s CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho got to be a relationship between a daily spot price and a forward price in global markets, isn't there? Over time they tend to equilibrate. Certainly, at the end of -- without having an economics lesson on arbitrage, when the forward price ends, the spot price meets it. So spot prices can be used as a predictor and that was the point I was trying Company should have been looking at Now, did you personally attend a meeting with the Industrial Customers who were discussing this issue of peak shaving and did some of those Industrial Customers express to you that they actually have interruptible rates in other states that they take Yes. And that some of those Industrial Customers felt that that might be a viable option for Yes, to make the both. of future prices? advantage of? 1362 READING (Di) ICIP83676 Idaho Power and its Industrial Customers? Yes, and after reading my testimony, a least cost approach. MR. RI CHARDSON :Thank you Madam Chairman.That concludes my redirect. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you Mr. Ri chardson (The witness left the stand. MR . RI CHARDSON :The Industrial Customers of Idaho Power now call Mr. Pike Teinert to the stand. PIKE TEINERT produced as a witness at the instance of the Industrial Customers of Idaho Power, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. RI CHARDSON : Mr. Teinert , are you the same Mr. Teinert who caused prefiled testimony and exhibits to be filed in this matter? Yes , I am. Do you have any corrections or additions to make to your prefiled testimony? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1363 TEINERT (Di) ICIP83676 Yes , I do.I have several typos and actually prepared a handout rather than to go through them and if the Commission will accept that , we can go that route versus going through them verbally.I'll be happy to do that as well if they'd like. Would you do that verbally on the record and we'll hand out the handouts so folks can - - you can get this on the record and we'll get the handouts. THE WITNESS:I'll wait just a moment until the handouts received. (Dr. Reading distributing documents. THE WITNESS:Okay, beginning on page 7 lines 19 and 21 , remove the quotation marks. MR. KLINE:Where is that, again? THE WITNESS:Page 7 , lines 19 and 21, remove the quotation marks.Page 11 , line 5, Exhibit No. 205 should be Exhibit No. 206.Page 11 , line 9 , Gales should be Gale.Page 13, line, 23 and page 14 , line $331.55 should be $365.70.Page 15, lines 8, 10 and 13, Exhibi t No.2 07 should be Exhibi t No.2 08, and in the Exhibi t No.2 08, at the bot tom of the page, the denominator in the fraction should be - - that reads 304.371 kW should be 304 371 kW and that's all. Thank you for your indulgence. BY MR. RI CHARD SON :, Mr. Teinert, with CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1364 TEINERT (Di) ICIP83676 those corrections and additions, if I were to ask you the same questions this afternoon that you were asked in your prefiled testimony, would your answers the same? Yes, they would. MR. RICHARDSON:Madam Chairman , I would move that the prefiled testimony of Mr. Teinert, direct testimony of Mr. Teinert, be spread upon the record as if it were read in full and Exhibits 206 through 208 be marked for identification purposes. COMMISSIONER SMITH:If there is no objection , it is so ordered. MR. RICHARDSON:Thank you, Madam Chairman. (The following prefiled direct testimony of Mr. Pike Teinert is spread upon the record. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1365 TEINERT (Di) ICIP83676 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BUSINESS ADDRESS. My name is Pike Teinert and my business address is 834 Harcourt Road Boise, Idaho 83702. WHAT IS YOUR OCCUPATION? I am a principal consultant in Energy Strategies Group LLC, a consulting firm that provides services to clients in the public utility industry. ARE YOU SPONSORING ANY EXHIBITS WITH THIS TESTIMONY? Yes.I am sponsoring Exhibit Nos. 206 through 208. QUALIFICATIONS PLEASE DESCRIBE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS TO TESTIFY AS AN EXPERT IN THIS PROCEEDING. I am an electrical engineer and I have thirty-four years experience in the energy industry in positions ranging from design engineer to Vice President. A complete resume, including my educational background and employment history, is presented as Attachment HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY APPEARED AS AN EXPERT WITNESS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION? No. I have provided direct testimony in the Idaho Public Utilities Commission Case No. IPC-E- 00 - regarding an industrial class customer and Schedule 19. 1366 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW OF TESTIMONY WHY ARE YOU TESTIFYING IN THIS CASE NO. IPC-E- 03 -13? I have been retained by the ICIP as an expert witness to assist in the analysis of Idaho Power's rate application filed in this case. Idaho Power's filing for industrial customers, especially the proposed Schedule 19 is new and radically different from its current rate Schedule 19. I have reviewed the Company's testimony and its exhibits as well as by intervenorsdiscovery filed and willthe response by the Company. My testimony focus primarily on Schedule 19 , but my silence on other issues does not necessarily imply acceptance the Company s position. PLEASE DESCRIBE HOW YOUR TESTIMONY IS ORGANIZED. testimony and exhibits will address rate design issues and components but will also address cost of service issues related specific rate design elements and parameters. Specific issues addressed will be the mandatory time-of -use provisions in Schedule 19, cost of service for Schedule 19, service charges, line extension provisions of Schedule 19, and power factor adjustment provisions of Schedule 19. 1367 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - C. FACTUAL BACKGROUND Q. YOU SAY THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 IS RADICALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT SCHEDULE 19. CAN YOU GIVE EXAMPLES? A. Yes. There have been many proposed changes to most of the components of the current Schedule 19. An example of one of the most radical is a proposed increase in the current Customer Charge of $5.54 to a Service Charge of $500 per than a 9000% increase.month, more Another radical difference the complexity and multiple combinations Demand and Energy Charges the proposed Schedule required its mandatory time-of -use component. The current Schedule 19 has one Demand and Energy Charge for each service level. The proposed Schedule 19 has as many as three different Demand Charges and five different Energy Charges. The proposed Demand and Energy Charges result in eight different combinations of Demand and Energy Charges. There are other examples of significant differences that I will discuss in this testimony, but these two provide a striking contrast between the current Schedule 19 and the Company proposed Schedule 19. Q. HAS THE COMPANY EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENCES AND COMPLEXITY OF THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 TO ITS SCHEDULE 1368 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - CUSTOMERS? A. The Company has not provide records of meetings and discussions they have had with Schedule 19 customers as requested in ICIP' s Production Request No. 36. Al though the Company met 1369 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - with the ICIP , some Schedule customers and some Special Contract Customers regarding rate case proposals there is no indication that the Company explained in detail the complexity of the proposed Schedule 19 and no records of the meeting were provided. Q. WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR THE COMPANY TO MEET WITH CUSTOMERS AND DISCUSS THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CURRENT SCHEDULE 19 AND THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 RATES? Time-of -use rates are very complex and require that the customer clearly understand the impacts of the mul tiple pricing combinations for Demand and Energy Charges in different seasons and different times of the day. When the customer clearly understands these and other differences, then and only then, can he weigh the increased electricity costs of continuing to operate as he has in the past under the proposed Schedule 19 rate against making the required changes in his operation to reduce summer season on peak demand and energy consumption. Q. WHAT TYPES OF CHANGES WILL A CUSTOMER CONSIDER WHEN ATTEMPTING TO ADJUST TO SEASONAL AND TIME-OF-USE PRICE SIGNALS A. Most importantly, customers will analyze the financial impact of operating electrical equipment in off peak versus on peak season and hours. Examples of the 1370 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - financial impact of operational changes are; potential increased labor costs , reduced production , additional capi tal costs for new more efficient equipment, and increased O&M costs of changing the operation of 1371 Teinert IPC-E- 03 - electrical equipment. There are also employee morale issues that accompany changes in employee work schedules necessary for operational modifications. These are a few of the significant changes customers analyze in attempting to adj ust to seasonal time-of -use rates and that is why it is important for the Company to clearly communicate with the customer the specific changes in the proposed Schedule 19. Q. HAS THE COMPANY ANALYZED AND/OR COMMUNICATED TO THE CUSTOMER THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS OF PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 TIME-OF-USE RATE TO HELP OFFSET THESE FINANCIAL IMPACTS? A. The Company's response to ICIP' s First Production Request No.2 states,No analyses attempting to identify any potential benefit or savings associated with mandatory time-of-use for Schedule 19 customers has been performed. " Q. HAS THE COMPANY ANALYZED ITS POTENTIAL BENEFITS, SAVINGS AND INCREASED REVENUES FROM THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 MANDATORY TIME-OF-USE RATE? A. The Company states in its response to ICIP' s First Production Request No.3 that, No other studies have been prepared of the benefits, savings and increased revenues for any rate class other than the Residential rate class. 1372 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - LACK Q. WHAT IS YOUR CONCLUSION BASED ON THE COMPANY'S ANALYSES OF THE BENEFITS, SAVINGS AND INCREASED REVENUES FOR EITHER THE COMPANY OR THE CUSTOMER FROM THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 MANDATORY TIME-OF-USE RATE? 1373 Teinert, IPC-03- A. Based on the responses to ICIP' s Production Requests, it seems clear that Idaho Power is proposing the implementation of the mandatory time-of -use rate without carefully analyzing the impact of the proposed Schedule 19 rate on either the Company or the Schedule 19 customers. The Company I s lack of analysis indicates that it is unprepared to implement the proposed Schedule 19. It also indicates that the Company is insensi ti ve to the impact of the proposed Schedule 19 on its industrial customers, their employees and the communi ties in with they are located. Q. DOES THE COMPANY PROVIDE ANY REASON FOR PROPOSING THE MANDATORY TIME-OF-USE FOR ONLY SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS? The Company states in Ms. Brilz ' testimony on page 27 beginning at line 11 that Schedule 19 customers have the metering in place to accommodate the hourly pricing. Also, Mr. Gale I s testimony beginning on page at line 22 reasons that the cost based approach to ratemaking influenced the Company s decision to propose seasonal and time-of -use rates for certain rate classes. Q. DOES MR. GALE OFFER ADDITIONAL REASONS FOR THE COMPANY'S DECISION TO PROPOSE MANDATORY TIME-OF-USE RATES. Yes , in his testimony on page 11 beginning at line 6 Mr. Gale explains that the Company s primary 1374 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - approach to ratemaking during the last several general rate cases has been to reflect costs as accurately as possible. Then Mr. Gale states: 1375 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - "Accordingly, the Company's ratemaking proposals usually advocate movement toward cost-of-service results which assign costs to those customers that cause the Company to incur the costs. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS HAVE CAUSED THE COMPANY TO INCUR THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEED FOR SUMMER PEAKING RESOURCES? A. No. Mr. Said in his testimony beginning on page 4 beginning at line 17 states: "Load growth within the various customer classes has tended to be much more seasonal and dependent upon weather.As a result of the loss of relatively flat loads and the addition of non-interruptible seasonal loads, the Company s Integrated Resource Plan now shows the need for summer peaking resources (June, July, and August) and winter peaking resources (November and December) . " The data in the Company s response to the Commission Staff I S Second Production Request No. 15 and the Company s 2002 Integrated Resource Plan referenced by Mr. Said, clearly demonstrate that Schedule 19 customers have not caused the Company to incur the costs associated with the need for summer peaking resources. Teinert Exhibit No. 206 includes the following graph that contrasts the consumption patterns for the Schedule 19 customer class 1376 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - with the residential customer class. ,----- - --""----'-.-.... ....... ......-......-.-..-...-..-..--..-.......-------...- ...--.-..-.-...--.------- Total Monthly kWh - Residential & Industrial class, Jan. 2001 - Sept. 2003 3: 600 000 000 ~ 500 000 000 :c 400 000 000 ..... c 300 000 000 ~ 200 000 000 . co 100 000 000'0 C'O ;::. C\I C\I C")0 0 .!.. c.. c.. ..Q .- (1) (1) ........ (j) Ll... ----...___....--- ----... Jan. 2001 . Sept. 2003 --+= Tot-- kWh Residentia'lCustomers -It- Tot" kWh Industrial L. !ome ---..J C") ..!..-.. --.. -... --'-'--- Additionally, Teinert Exhibit No. 207 , which uses data from MS. Brilz' Exhibit No. 40 page I , also illustrates the lack of seasonal variance in Schedule customer loads. The following graph , taken from Teinert Exhibit No. 207 , summarizes the data in the exhibit. 1377 Teinert, IPC-03- --------.....--...----.--. 2003 Monthly Coincident Demand ~ Generation Level -. - -- -. --- ---. -- .----- E cIII 0'0 :;:;.- 111 ... III 0 c I u 111-C) III I ~(g)j C C, 0 111:E E 3: III~ C r~R~~id~~-tial k\"TI i ~ S~hedu ~9~~ 200 000 000 000 800 000 600 000 400 000 - 200 000 . i )~ (;- ~~ ~~ -A ') ~ ~ ' ~o _--_.__---.--...--.---. 2003 by Month .- -----.--- '. -""'-------'-- -~.. -----.---- .------------"" " These graphs clearly display the dramatic seasonal variance of the Residential rate class energy consumption and demand patterns versus the modest seasonal changes of the Schedule 19 rate class. The graph and Exhibit No. 206 also illustrate that the Industrial customer class has not grown. Certainly Schedule 19 customers have not caused the Company to incur the costs associated wi th the need for summer peaking resources. If we are to believe Mr. Gale when he states, "Accordingly, the Company' ratemaking proposals usually advocate movement toward cost-of-service results which assign costs to those customers that cause the Company to incur the costs. Then Schedule 19 customers' rates should not include mandatory time-of use rate design.(Reference Gale , Di. P. 11 L. 6, emphasis added) . 1378 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - Q. WHAT RATE STRUCTURE FOR SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS IS APPROPRIATE FOR SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS BASED ON MR. GALE' TESTIMONY AND WHY? A. As illustrated in the graph in my Exhibit No. 206 , Schedule 19 customers contribute very little seasonal variance to the Company s load shape in comparison to other customer classes and the current rate structure for Schedule 19 customers, with one Demand Charge and one Energy Charge that does not vary seasonally or diurnally,acknowledges the relatively flat nature of Schedule 19 customer's load. Therefore believe the current Schedule 19 rate structure is the most appropriate rate for Schedule 19 customers and should be the rate proposed in this filing for Schedule 19 customers. RATE DESIGN & COST OF SERVICE ISSUES Q. IN THE FACTUAL BACKGROUND OF THIS TESTIMONY, YOU DISAGREE WITH MANDATORY TIME-OF- USE FOR SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS. ARE THERE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 RATE THAT YOU WILL ADDRESS? A. Yes. I will address the service charge, line extension and power factor adjustment provisions in the proposed Schedule 19. 1379 Teinert, IPC-03- Q. WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS RELATED TO THE SERVICE CHARGE IN THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19 RATE? A. The Company proposes , as shown in Ms. Brilz Exhibi t No.4 8 pages 72 through 76 , to increase the current Customer Charge (the Customer Charge is proposed to be renamed Service Charge) to $500 per month , an increase of more than 9000% for secondary service level Schedule 19 customers and more than 500% for Primary and Transmission service level customers. This is an unexpected and radical increase from the Company I current Customer Charge. WHAT IS THE COMPANY'S RATIONALE FOR PROPOSING THIS DRAMATIC INCREASE IN SERVICE CHARGE? Ms. Brilz ' direct testimony on page 26 line 1 through line 9 states that "The Company plans to emphasize increases to both the demand and customer charges so that these components are more reflective of costs." The Company's rationale is to recover more of the fixed cost associated with delivering energy and providing customer related services by increasing demand and customer charges. The Company s calculations and data supporting the increase in Service Charge for Schedule 19 customers is documented in Ms. Brilz' Exhibit No. 42 page 5. The Company, without explanation , includes monthly meter reading cost per customer of $365.70 in its 1380 Teinert IPC-E- 03 - Calculation of the Service Charge for Schedule 19 customer. 1381 Teinert, 13a IPC-E- 03 - Q. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THE COMPANY'S PROPOSED INCREASE IN THE SERVI CE CHARGE FOR SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS AND IF SO WHY? Yes. The Company's increases of from over 500% to 9000% for Service Charges are not adequately explained or detailed in it's testimony and the meter reading charge of $365.70 is an example of an unexplained and extremely high cost for reading one meter. The Company should provide a much more detailed breakdown, explanation and justification of all elements of the Service Charge for all service levels included in the Cost of Service Study. They do not provide this information in their testimony and should therefore be denied the requested increase in Service Charge for Schedule 19. Q. WHY DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THE LINE EXTENSION PROVISIONS IN THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE 19? A. Ms. Brilz I Exhibit 48 page 68 under AVAILABILITY outlines the Company I s procedure for charging Schedule customers for the construction of additional substation and transmission facilities required to serve the customer's load. The Company s administration of this provision of Schedule 19 has been discriminatory and capricious and therefore should not be included in the proposed Schedule 19. 1382 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - Q. ARE THERE OTHER REASONS YOU DISAGREE WITH THE COMPANY'S PROVISIONS FOR LINE EXTENSION CHARGES FOR SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS? Yes. The Company's procedure for estimating new or added loads for Schedule 19 customers is flawed because the 1383 Teinert, 14a IPC-E- 03 - Company uses the customer's connected load instead of a diversified load in calculating the customer's contracted load. Therefore, facilities required to serve the load, such as service transformers and distribution facilities from the point of delivery to the substation are frequently over sized. When these facilities are over sized the contribution in aid of construction , CIAC, is inflated and the customer is overcharged. Teinert Exhibit No. 208 analyzes and calculates excess distribution transformer capacity for Schedule 19 customers based on data by the Company. Exhibit No.2 08provided calculates an installed distribution service transformer capacity of 596,832 kva using data from the Company' Response to ICIP' s First Production Request No. 14. Teinert Exhibit No. 208 also uses a total Schedule 19 customer Coincident Demand ~ Generation Level of 304,371 kW for July in the 2003 test year Company'from the Exhibit No. 40 page 1 , Large Power Service column.The ratio of installed service transformer capacity is 96% greater than the Schedule 19 peak testloadforthe 2003. This large excess distribution serviceyear transformer capacity far exceeds the capacity needed to serve the load.Schedule 19 customers are therefore overcharged for this excessive capacity in CIAC charges and in an inflated rate base for thedistribution 1384 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - Schedule 19 customer class. WHAT DO YOU CONCLUDE FROM YOUR FINDING THAT SERVICE TRANSFORMER CAPACITY IS 96% GREATER THAN SCHEDULE 19 PEAK DEMAND? 1385 Teinert, 15a IPC-E- 03 - It certainly raises questions relative to the appropriate level of rate base assigned to these customers.It also raises questions relative to the Company s planning parameters.I know the Commission does not want to micro manage the Company, however I believe this finding warrants a thorough investigation in a separate docket that is opened for just that purpose. Q. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THE COMPANY'S INCREASE THE POWER FACTOR ADJUSTMENT MINIMUM FROM 85% TO 90%? Yes.Power factor adj ustment clauses provide the Company with a method of recovering delivery capacity by reducing reactive power flow. Idaho Power does not offer evidence or testimony that its delivery system is capaci ty constrained due to power factor. Therefore, the increase in the minimum is not warranted. Q. ARE THERE OTHER CONCERNS YOU HAVE RELATED TO IDAHO POWER I S PROPOSED RATES AND REGULATIONS FOR SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS? A. Yes. Each Schedule 19 customer pays a monthly conservation charge through Idaho Power's Energy Efficiency Rider , Schedule 91. Until 1997 Idaho Power had at least one Conservation Program specifically for the Industrial customer class.Currently Idaho Power does not administer any Conservation or DSM programs specifically for the Schedule 19 customer class. It is 1386 Teinert, IPC-E- 03 - not appropriate that the Schedule 19 customer class contributes Energy Efficiency Rider funds but receives no direct benefit from them. Q. SHOULD THE COMPANY'S CONSERVATION PLAN INCLUDE PROGRAMS THAT USE ENERGY EFFICIENCY RIDER FUNDS FOR CONSERVATION PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY FOR SCHEDULE 19 CUSTOMERS AND WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? Yes.This is the self-funding concept the ICIP has promoted in the past.We strongly believe that each industrial and special contract customer should be allowed to use the funds it contributes to Idaho Power' energy efficiency rider for proj ects at their own industrial sites.We appreciate the Company's efficiency efforts.Nevertheless, the best conservation programs for any particular industrial customer can only be identified by that customer.By allowing self-funding of conservation proj ects the Company can be assured that the individual measures are fully embraced by the host industrial facility.This added benefit makes it more likely that whatever conservation measure is installed will be maintained and updated as necessary. Q. DOES THIS CONCLUDE YOUR TESTIMONY? A. Yes it does. 1387 Teinert IPC-E- 03 - open hearing. (The following proceedings were had in MR. RICHARDSON: available for cross-examination. Mr. Teinert is now Thank you. MR . EDD IE:No questions.Thank you. 1388 83676 Mr. Purdy. MR. PURDY:I have none.Thanks. Mr. Gollomp. MR . GOLLOMP:No questions. Mr. Budge. MR. BUDGE:No questions. How about the Staff. MR. STUTZMAN:No questions. Mr. Ward. MR. WARD:No questions.Thank you. And Mr. Miller having Ms. Moen?Mr. Kline? COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Eddie. COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER SMITH: COMMISSIONER SMITH: departed, he has none. For the Company. MR. KLINE:Very few questions. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho TEINERT ICIP BY MR. KLINE: CROSS-EXAMINATION Mr. Teinert, on page 5 of your testimony, Yes. - - do you know what the average rate 19 billing is, the amount? CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho No, I do not. On page 7 , line 1 , there are also employee It should have been morale.There could be moral issues, but I suspect most of them would be I just couldn I t resist. I'll add that to my list of changes and COMMISSIONER SMITH:Nobody has given us line 8 -- authority to regulate that, but we could do it. MR. KLINE:It would be a lot more fun. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER:The research BY MR. KLINE:Mr. Teinert, do you believe that there is any potential value from time of use moral issues? morale issues. my apologies. would be. pricing? 1389 TEINERT (X) ICIP83676 Certainly,there on a voluntary basis. Where do you think the Company should start,with voluntary rates? I do in fact, it would be a good start, after completing what I would consider to be good, appropriate, robust research to understand the potential benefits for both the Company as well as the customer class. A lot of your testimony dealt with concerns that you had with the confusion that you were concerned that rate Schedule 19 customers would have with the time of use proposal and with the Company's other proposals for rate change; is that correct? I think the rate that's proposed is a very significant and dramatic change from the existing rate with a great deal of complexity in the calculation on a monthly basis of your actual consumption and comparing that to the operation of whatever the facility may be, if you then attempt to determine or attempt to determine when that usage occurred, what part of your bill would be appropriated to that usage in an attempt to make some adjustment in your operation to accommodate the new rate, I think it is an extremely complex calculation and/or study. CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1390 TEINERT (X) ICIP83676 And you were also concerned that the Company hadn't done a good job of explaining all of these intricacies, as you I ve described them , to its customers prior to this time; is that correct? Correct.In response to my production request, which I believe was No. 36, I believe the Company indicated that it had done so , but I had never received any paperwork indicating that that was done or that there were any records of those meetings kept as requested in my production request. Did you talk to the individual Schedule customers about the meetings they had with the Company or with the materials they received from the Company? Not each and every one of them.I talked to a few of them in small groups. Today Ms. Brilz in her presentation offered to have the Company utilize a grace period at which time some of the things that you criticized as far as educating the customers, doing some of the things that we've been doing all along, but doing it for a longer period of time in order to address this concern that the Schedule 19 customers don I t understand what's been proposed, do you believe that grace period proposal would go a long ways to resolving the concerns that you have expressed here? CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho 1391 TEINERT (X) ICIP83676 The grace period proposal that I think that I heard and apparently, a positive response to that is a step forward.It would need to be, again , a very robust study over 12 consecutive months to make sure we picked up the whole year, a reasonable test year , if you will , if you want to look at it that way, and I think that in that process that both sides of the meter should be evaluated, both the Company's side , of course , to evaluate not only the capacity benefits but the delivery benefits , and there are considerable delivery benefits that need to be evaluated, because those would impact, if you will , the Company's operating system as well as their capital investment in delivery types of capital investments. On the customer side, many issues , morale issues , not moral , but clearly, a lot of issues in my experience are unknown by the Company unless they have ample opportunity to sit down with employees , both on the basis of operating the plant, taking certain equipment off line during the peak periods , putting it back on. Much of this equipment is not really designed to go up and down and up and down, much like some of your base load plants might not be designed to go up and down , but clearly, could stay on line for longer periods of time without interruption; so once those kind of evaluations CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1392 TEINERT (X) ICIP83676 are made and once the Company and its customers sit down and review the results and come up with credible, if you will, final numbers , then I think in fact that kind of grace period would be beneficial. MR. KLINE:That's all I have. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Thank you.Thank you, Mr. Kline. Do we have questions from the Commission? EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: I just had one.Assume that the Commission approves the Idaho Power time of use proposal for the Schedule 19 customers, is it your opinion that if this ultimately resulted in customers shifting usage to off -peak hours from peak that the cost of service will eventually reflect that reduction in peak usage and therefore, this class of customers will have a lower allocation of costs? If you can evaluate those benefits appropriately, and as I mentioned before , Madam Chairman the benefits are not just in capacity.The benefits are in delivery capabilities as well, distribution substation , transmission.If those can be evaluated and CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1393 TEINERT (Com) ICIP83676 directed to the customer class, then there is a significant chance that those cost of service studies would reflect a lower cost of service compared to, obviously, building peakers as we are today. COMMISSIONER SMITH:Okay, thank you. Do you have any redirect, Mr. Richardson? MR. RICHARDSON:One, Madam Chairman. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. RI CHARDSON : Mr. Teinert, we appreciated the fact that the Company offered to change their proposal and allow a grace period and you suggested that that grace period should be used to evaluate the potential impacts of mandatory time of use metering on both sides of the That study period doesn t necessarily mean thatmeter. it's a foregone conclusion, does it , that mandatory time of use rates should be implemented? Well, no, in most cases, the studies give you the opportunity to then make a prudent decision.The decision is not foregone , that once the study is done whatever the results may be, that we would then in fact implement mandatory time of use rates. Thank you,MR. RI CHARD SON : CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 1394 TEINERT (Di) ICIP83676 Madam Chairman.That's all I have and that concludes the direct case of the Industrial Customers of Idaho Power. I would note that our out-of-town witness, Mr. Henderson, the plant manager , will be here tomorrow.His plane gets in at 11: 00, so he will be available tomorrow afternoon. Okay, Let's go atCOMMISSIONER SMITH: ease for a few moments and talk about our game plan. (Off the record discussion. We'll go back on theCOMMISSIONER SMITH: record , then , and thank all the parties for their participation and attendance today and we'll see you all tomorrow morning at 9: 00 a. m. (The Hearing recessed at 4:25 p. CSB REPORTING Wilder , Idaho TEINERT (Di) ICIP 1395 83676