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HomeMy WebLinkAbout20120404Oral Argument.pdfORIGINAL .1 BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW OF PURPA QF CONTRACT PROVISIONS INCLUDING THE SURROGATE AVOIDED RESOURCE (SAR) AND INTEGRATED RESOURCE PLANNING (IRP) METHODOLOGIES FOR CALCULATING PUBLISHED AVOIDED COST RATES. CASE NO. GNR-E-11-03 ORAL ARGUMENT = -o rn C) rn m Cl) HEARING BEFORE COMMISSIONER MARSHA H. SMITH (Presiding) COMMISSIONER MACK A. REDFORD COMMISSIONER PAUL KJELLANDER PLACE: Commission Hearing Room 472 West Washington Street Boise, Idaho DATE: March 21, 2012 VOLUME I - Pages 1 - 41 F-' ki HEDRICK COURT REPORTING POST OFFICE BOX 578 BOISE, IDAHO 83701 208-336-9208 44Iemwv oe 1978 • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 • 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 • 25 APPEARANCES For the Staff: KRISTINE A. SASSER, Esq. Deputy Attorney General 472 West Washington Boise, Idaho 83702 For Idaho Power Company: DONOVAN E. WALKER, Esq. and JASON B. WILLIAMS, Esq. Idaho Power Company Post Office Box 70 Boise, Idaho 83707-0070 For Avista Corporation: MICHAEL G. ANDREA, Esq. (via telephone) Avista Corporation 1411 East Mission Avenue Spokane, Washington 99202 For PacifiCorp dba Rocky DANIEL E. SOLANDER, Esq. Mountain Power: Rocky Mountain Power (via telephone) 201 South Main Street, Suite 2300 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 For The Northwest and RICHARDSON & O'LEARY, PLLC Intermountain Power by PETER J. RICHARDSON, Esq. Producers Coalition; Post Office Box 7218 J. R. Simplot Company; Boise, Idaho 83707 Grand View Solar II; Exergy Development Group of Idaho, LLC; The Board of County Commissioners of Adams County, Idaho; and Clearwater Paper Corporation: For Twin Falls Canal Company: LOUIS ZAMORA (via telephone) Twin Falls Canal Company Post Office Box 326 Twin Falls, Idaho 83303 For Idaho Windfarms, LLC: McDEVITT & MILLER, LLP by DEAN J. MILLER, Esq. 420 West Bannock Street Boise, Idaho 83702 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING APPEARANCES P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 10 . 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 For Blue Ribbon Energy LLC: M.J. HUMPHRIES (via telephone) Blue Ribbon Energy LLC 4515 South Ammon Road Ammon, Idaho 83406 For Idaho Conservation BENJAMIN J. OTTO, Esq. League: Idaho Conservation League 710 North Sixth Street Boise, Idaho 83702 For Energy Integrity Project: TAUNA CHRISTENSEN Energy Integrity Project 769 North 1100 East Shelley, Idaho 83274 22 23 24 . 25 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING APPEARANCES P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 BOISE, IDAHO, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 21, 2012, 9:30 A.M. 2 3 4 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Good morning, ladies and 5 gentlemen. This is the time and place set for an oral argument 6 before the Idaho Public Utilities Commission in Case No. 7 GNR-E-11-03, further identified as In the matter of the 8 Commission's review of PURPA QF contract provisions including 9 the Surrogate Avoided Resource and Integrated Resource Planning 10 methodologies for calculating published avoided cost rates. 11 My name is Marsha Smith, and I am chairing 12 today's oral argument. On my right is Commissioner Mack . 13 Redford, and on my left is Paul Kjellander. The three of us 14 are the Public Utilities Commission, and will be making the 15 Decision in this case. 16 We'll begin with appearances of the parties. ForJ 17 Idaho Power. 18 MR. WALKER: Thank you, Madam Chair. Donovan 19 Walker and Jason Williams, for Idaho Power. 20 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Avista. 21 MR. ANDREA: Good morning, Madam Chair. Mike 22 Andrea for Avista. 23 COMMISSIONER SMITH: PacifiCorp. 24 MR. SOLANDER: Good morning, Madam Chairman. 25 This is Daniel Solander on behalf of Rocky Mountain Power, and 1 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 I have with me Ted Weston and various other Company personnel 2 on the phone as well. 3 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. 4 For the Commission Staff. 5 MS. SASSER: Good morning, Madam Chair. Kristine 6 Sasser for Commission Staff, with Rick Sterling. 7 COMMISSIONER SMITH: The Northwest and 8 Intermountain Power Producers Coalition. 9 MR. RICHARDSON: Peter Richardson with the firm 10 Richardson and O'Leary, Madam Chair. 11 COMMISSIONER SMITH: And who else are you 12 representing today, Mr. Richardson? 13 MR. RICHARDSON: Madam Chair, J. R. Simplot 14 Company, Exergy Development Group, and Grand View Solar. 15 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. 16 I see Mr. Miller. 17 MR. MILLER: Thank you, Madam Chair. Dean J. 18 Miller on behalf of Idaho Windfarms, LLC. 19 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Is there anyone here 20 representing the Renewable Energy Coalition? 21 How about Interconnect Solar? 22 Or Dynamis? 23 The North Side Canal Company? 24 The Board of County Commissioners of Adams . 25 County? I 2 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 MR. RICHARDSON: Peter Richardson, Richardson and 2 O'Leary, Madam Chair. 3 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. 4 For Birch Power Company? 5 Blue Ribbon Energy? 6 MR. HUMPHRIES: M. J. Humphries on the phone. 7 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Humphries. 8 Renewable Northwest Project -- oh, you said that. 9 Idaho Conservation League. 10 MR. OTTO: Benjamin J. Otto on behalf of the 11 Idaho Conservation League. 12 COMMISSIONER SMITH: How about the Snake River E 13 Alliance? 14 And Clearwater Paper? 15 MR. RICHARDSON: Peter Richardson, Richardson and 16 O'Leary, Madam Chair. 17 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. Those are all 18 the parties I have on my Second Amended Notice of Parties. Are 19 there anyone here who believes they're already a party and I 20 haven't called you? 21 MR. ZAMORA: Madam Chair, this is Louis Zamora on 22 Twin Falls Canal Company. 23 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. Thank you, 24 Mr. Zamora. But, Mr. Zamora, you're not doing North Side, just 25 Twin Falls. 1 3 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 MR. ZAMORA: Just Twin Falls. I believe Alan Hansten with North Side will be calling in. And I will be only on the phone for about an hour and a half, so - COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. Thank you. We have one preliminary matter that I know of, and that is the Petition of the Energy Integrity Project for leave to intervene in this case. Is there any objection to the Petition for Intervention by the Energy Integrity Project? Seeing none, Ms. Christensen, I see that you're here, and you're welcome to take a spot at the table. The Commission will grant your Petition for Intervention provided that you're willing to comply with the schedule that's already in place and not delay the proceedings. MS. CHRISTENSEN: Yes. Okay. COMMISSIONER SMITH: So you're welcome to sit in front of the microphone just in case you need it. Our purpose here today is to have oral argument on a Motion for Temporary Stay that was filed by Idaho Power, and our purpose is to determine whether Idaho Power has established a prima facie case for emergency relief of some nature; and whether the schedule that we have previously set out needs, for any reason, to be changed; and what action, if any, should the Commission take on the Motion for Stay. If there are no other preliminary matters that parties wish to raise, we will go to Mr. Walker for his 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 I. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 argument. 2 MR. WALKER: Thank you, Madam Chairman, 3 Commissioners, and parties. I'd like to address two main 4 areas, first being the procedure and then, second, obviously, 5 the substantive nature of Idaho Power's Request. And with 6 regard to the procedure, I just wanted to clarify that Idaho 7 Power has not asked, nor does it seek, to modify or change the 8 currently-established schedule or proceedings for hearing in 9 this case that were established in Order 32388. We're well 10 under way in working our way through that schedule. What's 11 left, the main points of what are left, are Staff and 12 Intervenor testimony on May 4th, rebuttal testimony June 29th, 13 legal briefing July 20th, and a hearing scheduled for August 14 7th through 9th. And, you know, Idaho Power apologizes if 15 there was any confusion procedurally, but we have not made a 16 request to change or modify that in any manner. 17 We did set forth in our Motion a proposed or 18 suggested schedule, but that was for processing of Idaho 19 Power's Motion and its Request, and not a Request to modify the 20 currently-existing case schedule. Arguably, since we are, you 21 know -- the Commission did not follow Idaho Power's initially- 22 suggested procedure and, arguably, that's somewhat moot now as 23 we've had a public hearing and we're here today with all 24 parties to present argument on that Motion for the Commission. . 25 So, I just wanted to make that procedural clarification right 5 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 up front. 2 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Appreciate that. 3 MR. WALKER: And really, Idaho -- the nature of 4 Idaho Power's requested procedure on the Motion for immediate 5 Commission action really leads directly into the nature of 6 Idaho Power's requested relief in the case, and it's actually a 7 straightforward concept and request. Idaho Power has requested 8 a temporary stay of its obligation to enter into new contracts 9 with QF developers to ensure that Idaho Power and its customers 10 are not forced to acquire additional excessive amounts of QF 11 output at prices that exceed -- potentially exceed Idaho 12 Power's avoided cost. . 13 Now, this proceeding thus far, the record in this 14 proceeding thus far, shows that the current SAR and IRP 15 methodologies potentially result in prices that are 16 significantly in excess of Idaho Power's avoided cost; that 17 these inaccurate price signals have caused a surge of new QF 18 contract applications and approved contracts that exist on 19 Idaho Power's system; that this surge has dramatically 20 increased the amount of QF output under contract and threatens 21 to grow even more during the pendency of this case; and, 22 lastly, that all of that is potentially very harmful to 23 customers of Idaho Power. 24 Now, a stay on Idaho Power's -- a temporary stay . 25 on Idaho Power's or one of the alternative forms of relief that 6 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 we have requested is necessary to protect customers and to 2 avoid further results that are potentially contrary to PURPA 3 and this Commission's implementation of PURPA in the state. 4 Now, where are we at and what has the Company 5 shown? Well, we know factually that the Company currently has 6 119 QF contracts that represent 989 megawatts of generation and 7 a contractual obligation of over $3.6 billion on customers. 8 That's what we -- that's what we currently have operating on 9 our system and approved by this Commission. That number in 10 2004 was 157 megawatts; today, it's 989. 11 "So what?" someone might say. So what? Well, 12 "so what" is what the effect that that has on customer rates. 13 The level of QF expense that was passed through to customers, 14 100 percent to customers in 2004, was approximately $40 million 15 on an annual basis. By 2009, that number had grown to 16 approximately $60 million on an annual basis. And by 2012, 17 that's predicted to double to $120 million on an annual basis. 18 From 40 million in 2004 to 120 million in 2012, that's quite a 19 substantial increase. 20 And on top of that, the showing that we've made 21 with the filing of our Motion shows there are currently looming 22 27 additional projects that are currently seeking contracts 23 with Idaho Power at current rates. Those equate to 595 24 additional megawatts and an additional contractual obligation 25 to customers of $2.7 billion over the existing 3.6 billion I 7 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 that's taken us over 20 years to acquire. Now, Idaho Power's submissions and the evidentiary record in this case Idaho Power feels is sufficient in and of itself to demonstrate potential harm to customers, and that the requested temporary relief is warranted during the pendency of this case. And although Idaho Power feels that's sufficient, that's not all we have. That's not all that's in front of the Commission right now. I think a look at the QF development that's happened on Idaho Power's system during the pendency of this case thus far is very instructive on what it could potentially be until the end of this docket. In an approximate one-month period of time of between November and December of 2010 when this proceeding first began, Idaho Power received, executed, and filed 25 contracts with individual projects, representing 518 megawatts of generation. Those all came in in a one-month period of time at the very beginning of this case, and, frankly, we're all still litigating the fallout from those cases today in multiple jurisdictions. And more recently, since the Commission's June 8th Order in this related proceeding -- the June 8th Order was the Commission's Order maintaining the 100 kilowatt published rate eligibility cap for wind and solar QFs -- since that time, Idaho Power's negotiated, executed, and filed four contracts -- four new QF contracts with the Commission, representing I-] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 I. 25 I 8 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 • 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 • 25 Now, those represent levels of QF development that some Utilities don't have on their entire systems, and case. And that's significant in and of itself, but what's really significant about those four new projects is that it's very apparent from the Commission proceedings attached to each one of those that there is uncertainty about the appropriate methodology and the appropriateness of the avoided cost rates. Those contracts were ultimately approved by the Commission, but in each one, Commission Staff opposed Commission approval on the basis that those contracts -- they believe that the application of the IRP methodology quite specifically in those contracts was resulting in prices that were excessive. So, even if you don't believe Idaho Power saying that there's a problem, that rates are excessive, that there's a great potential for harm to customers, at the very least, there is some uncertainty regarding the proper application of the methodology and whether its results are proper and lawful as an estimation of avoided cost that Idaho Power's customers should be obligated to on a long-term basis for the next 20 years. We've also shown in our Motion and memo that I 9 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 • 1 likelihood of risk or harm to the customers is substantial and it's great and it's long-term. That, in and of itself, justifies a stay as -- a temporary stay while this Commission determines what the proper and lawful rate is. Now, we're talking about on the one hand potential of 27 new and additional QF projects that are currently attempting to obligate customers to current rates, and we're balancing that against making QF developers wait approximately six months before the Company's required to enter into new contractual obligations with them. I know how I see that balance, and it's heavily in favor of protecting that grievous and substantial harm to the customers. Whether it materializes or not is irrelevant; it's the risk and the potential that that exists, and looking historically at similar situations where there have been large volumes filed in a very rapid and short period of time. In addition, there is no question that a stay is in its implementation of Federal law, its implementation of PURPA in the state of Idaho. And it's been done before in Idaho: We've gone through a summation of cases from Colorado and California where similar temporary stays or moratoriums or some type of relief from the Utility's obligation to enter into I 10 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 • 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 • 25 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 • 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 O 25 So, to look back, Idaho Power has made at least obligate Idaho Power customers to long-term contracts containing these inflated rates; additionally, that there is great harm to customers that they are overpaying -- that they are currently overpaying for PURPA what the Company could otherwise generate itself or acquire from another source for less; and now that there is another wave looming -- 27 projects, 595 megawatts, $2.7 billion -- that that could seek to obligate Idaho Power customers during the pendency of this case where this Commission will ultimately make a Decision as to the proper methodology and the lawful avoided cost rate that is to obligate customers for the next 20 years. And, finally, you know, it's important to keep in perspective that this Request is for temporary relief during the pendency of this case; and that the risk of harm to customers -- the long-term risk to customers is far greater I 11 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 S 1 than the temporary -- potential temporary harm in not entering 2 into the contracts for the next six months. And Idaho Power 3 respectfully requests that the Commission grant its Motion that 4 it enter a temporary stay of its obligation to enter into new 5 contracts until it renders its ultimate Decision after the 6 August 7 through 9 hearing in this matter. 7 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Walker. If I 8 might, I just had a couple of clarifying questions: 9 First of all, when you gave us your dollar 10 estimates, what length of contract term are you assuming, 20 11 years? Thirty years? 12 MR. WALKER: Those are assuming a 20-year . 13 contract. 14 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Twenty year. And when you 15 gave us the megawatts, was that the nameplate? 16 MR. WALKER: Yes, that was nameplate. 17 COMMISSIONER SMITH: I think that's all I have. 18 Do the other Commissioners have questions? 19 COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: No. 20 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: I just had a couple of 21 clarifying questions: 22 You've indicated that there are 119 projects 23 of 989 megawatts. I think you said that those are all online. 24 They're not all online, are they? 25 MR. WALKER: No, those are all either online or 12 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 with Commission-approved contracts. Currently, there is -- 2 there is approximately 600 megawatts that are currently 3 operating and online. 4 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: And I think you said that 5 there was about 383 megawatts of power going to come on between 6 2012 and 2014. I think Mr. Stover said that in his testimony. 7 Is that a correct statement? 8 Where I'm getting to is what do you anticipate 9 will be the load from today until the end of this proceeding in 10 August? How many more projects will come online, do you have 11 any idea? 12 MR. WALKER: You know, I don't know between now . 13 and August right offhand. I do know that there is -- there's 14 approximately 20 -- 20 to 21 projects that are currently 15 scheduled, have a scheduled operation date by the end of 16 2012. 17 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay. I don't have any 18 further questions. Thank you. 19 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Walker. 20 Are there other parties who wish to speak in 21 favor of the Motion that's been made by Idaho Power? 22 Mr. Solander. 23 MR. SOLANDER: Yes, thank you, Madam Chairman. As you're aware, Rocky Mountain power filed its . 25 Motion to join Idaho Power's Motion. I won't reiterate all of I 13 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 S r L . in 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the points that Rocky Mountain Power made, which were fewer than those that Idaho Power made, but I'll just reiterate that Rocky Mountain Power believes it would be inequitable if the Commission granted the stay to Idaho Power and then did not extend that stay to Rocky Mountain Power and Avista. Rocky Mountain Power's concerned that a situation could arise where, if the stay was granted only to Idaho Power, then the flood of QF developers that Mr. Walker referenced could be forced to file applications with Rocky Mountain Power instead of Idaho Power if the stay was only granted to Idaho Power. And the Company has concerns that -- with both workload, less so with the pricing, but the number of potential applications could potentially overwhelm Rocky Mountain Power in much the same way that Idaho Power referenced in its Motion. And so we would just reiterate that if the stay is granted to Idaho Power, that it be extended to Rocky Mountain Power as well. COMMISSIONER SMITH: Any questions for Mr. Solander? COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Solander, this is Commissioner Redford. MR. SOLANDER: Yes, sir. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: So it's just the bare possibility that you've -- you make the assumption that if these contracts are not going to Idaho Power, they will be coming to Rocky Mountain Power. Is that your fear? I 14 I FIEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 MR. SOLANDER: I wouldn't say that it's an 2 assumption that that would happen, but it is of concern to the 3 Company that it could happen. 4 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Well as you're aware, this 5 proceeding is because of the harm and injury that may befall 6 Idaho Power. Have you filed anything or any documents which 7 demonstrate that, in fact, Rocky Mountain Power is presently 8 suffering from some of the things that Idaho Power complains 9 of? 10 MR. SOLANDER: No, sir, and that's not Rocky 11 Mountain Power's contention. We don't believe that the Company 12 is in the exact same situation as Idaho Power. 13 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Well since this is a 14 proceeding where we're talking about injury and harm and so on 15 and there's no harm presently befalling Rocky Mountain Power, 16 how could we possibly continue or grant the stay to apply to 17 Rocky Mountain Power? Are you just throwing that up against 18 the wall and hoping it will stick? Is that what you're saying? 19 MR. SOLANDER: I wouldn't phrase it that way, 20 sir, but I would say that we believe that there's a reasonable 21 possibility that the Company could be -- could face a 22 significant number of QF applications should the stay be 23 granted only to Idaho Power. 24 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: So that's just a bare S 25 possibility; you don't have any facts or testimony or 15 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 fl 1 Affidavits that set forth the harm that's going to befall? 2 MR. SOLANDER: Well, I admit that it is somewhat 3 speculative at this point. We certainly couldn't provide 4 testimony stating that that's a certainty that it could happen, 5 and that's why we didn't file any Affidavit stating as such. 6 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay. Thank you very 7 much, Mr. Solander. 8 MR. SOLANDER: Thank you. 9 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Andrea, did you want to 10 get into this? 11 MR. ANDREA: Madam Chair, as you are aware, we 12 have not filed anything. 13 COMMISSIONER SMITH: You can say, "No." That's EU an acceptable response. 15 MR. ANDREA: And that is -- we're not taking any 16 position on it. 17 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. Are there any 18 other parties which wish to speak in favor of Idaho Power's 19 Motion? 20 MS. CHRISTENSEN: Yes. 21 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Ms. Christensen. WM MS. CHRISTENSEN: On behalf of Energy -- 23 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Yeah, if you're new to the 24 hearing room, you need to push the little "touch." Your red 25 light comes on and -- I 16 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 MS. CHRISTENSEN: All right. Thanks. 2 On behalf of Energy Integrity Project, we support 3 Idaho Power's Request. 4 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. That concludes 5 your statement? 6 MS. CHRISTENSEN: Yes. 7 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. 8 MS. SASSER: Madam Chair. 9 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Ms. Sasser. 10 MS. SASSER: Thank you, Madam Chair. 11 While Staff takes no position on the Idaho 12 Power's Motion for Stay, we believe that all the other parties 13 will provide adequate evidence and arguments in that regard for 14 the Commission to make a well-informed Decision, Staff does 15 support Idaho Power's position that the schedule in the generic 16 docket remain the same as the noticed schedule that the 17 Commission issued on November 2nd. We believe that discovery 18 in that case is a very time-consuming and extensive project 19 because of the nature of the analysis regarding the 20 methodologies, and that rushing the generic docket will not 21 allow the parties to adequately present evidence and arguments 22 in order to assist the Commission in making a well-informed 23 Decision about those PURPA methodologies. 24 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. Thank you, 25 Ms. Sasser. 17 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1] 1 All right. Mr. Richardson, I presume you have 2 something to say. 3 MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Madam Chair. 4 First, I need to address Rocky Mountain Power's 5 me-too filing. Rocky Mountain Power makes the unfathomable 6 assertion based on conjecture and speculation that it's going 7 to suffer the same problems as Idaho Power. It doesn't even 8 rise to the level of an assumption, it's just what could 9 happen, and I seriously doubt that that's basis for this 10 Commission to make such a wide-ranging, sweeping Decision to 11 exempt Rocky Mountain Power from PURPA. In addition, I would note that Rocky Mountain Power didn't even jump through the minimal hoops that Idaho Power did in terms of notifying potentially-affected entities of its thought of its me-too filing. At least Idaho Power gave the courtesy to the parties by calling them and telling them that these emergency proceedings were happening. This hearing is held on less -- well, one day's notice and I would note that not all parties responded when you asked for appearances, and that may be the result of the fact that we had one day's notice. A lot of people had to change a lot of schedules to be here today on such short notice. So I would suggest that Rocky Mountain Power's filing should be rejected outright. In response to Idaho Power's Motion, I don't think you have any option but to deny Idaho Power's Motion 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 I. 25 I 18 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 C 1 summarily and from the Bench today. The Power Company has made 2 a Request based on a legal theory that can only be described as 3 wishful thinking at best, or unscrupulous and deceitful at 4 worst. In either case, whether Idaho Power's misleading legal 5 argument was intentional or simply negligent, the result is the 6 same: You really have no choice but to deny the Motion today. 7 Idaho Power has presented you with a Motion to 8 throw out due process by acting on its Motion without our 9 ability to respond to hundreds of pages of technical testimony. 10 They are asking you to deny our opportunity to be heard and to 11 do so without a scintilla of legal authority to do so. In 12 fact, I believe, and I am sorry to have to say so, that Idaho . 13 Power is misleading this Commission as to its legal authority 14 to act on its Motion. Idaho Power opens its Motion by saying that their 16 filings establish a prima facie proof that Idaho Power's 17 avoided cost rates are not accurate. That's at page 2 of their 18 Motion. The consequence of such a showing means, according to 19 Idaho Power, that the Commission has the authority to grant 20 immediate interim rate relief. And I'll quote from Idaho 21 Power's Motion at page 3. 22 Quote: Idaho Power is entitled to the requested 23 relief under the Idaho Supreme Court's reasoning in Empire 24 Lumber Company v Washington Water Power that the Commission has C 25 implicit authority to grant immediate interim rate relief when 19 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 a Utility makes a prima facie showing that rates are inaccurate. They go on to state, quote: Idaho Power's Memorandum in Support of Idaho Power's Company's Motion for a Temporary Stay of its Obligation to Enter Into New Purchase Power Agreements with QFs, inclusive of the Affidavit of Randy Allphin and the direct testimony previously submitted by Idaho Power in this case, inarguably makes a prima facie showing. To the extent Idaho Code 61-307 applies to relief granted by the Commission for good cause shown, the Commission may waive the Notice requirement in that Statute. Then -- end of quote. Then, in their Memorandum in Support, which is frankly more a summary of their testimony and their recommendations than a legal memorandum, they return to this fundamental theme that a prima facie showing that rates are inaccurate is grounds for immediate relief. But for some reason, they don't get to this fundamental point until the second to the last page of their 30-page Memorandum. On page 28 of their Memorandum, Idaho Power states, and I quote: The Idaho Supreme Court recognizes that the Commission has authority to grant immediate interim relief expeditiously when avoided costs are excessive. 20 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 • 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 • 25 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 I. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 . . 12 13 14 15 16 Norm 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Again, a citation to Empire Lumber Company v Washington Water Power. Continuing the quote: The Court stated that a prima facie showing by the Utility that rates are inaccurate is sufficient grounds for immediate interim rate relief. End of quote. Phrases like "the Idaho Supreme Court recognizes," "the Court stated," and "the Idaho Supreme Court's reasoning" all cite you to and rely on an Idaho Supreme Court case called Empire Lumber Company v Washington Water Power. On its face, that seems compelling. Here, according to Idaho Power Company, we have the Supreme Court of the State of Idaho saying that it only takes a prima facie showing for you to suspend avoided cost rates. But let's take a moment and understand what prima facie means: Prima facie showing, prima facie case, prima facie proof. What does it mean and what's its legal import? Idaho Power does not bother to define the term or its legal significance in any of its pleadings other than to simply say that a prima facie showing means, according to the Idaho Supreme Court's Empire Lumber Decision, that you have the authority to suspend avoided cost rates based only on a prima facie showing. Well, what is a prima facie showing? Prima fade showing consistently, in all legal context, means that a 21 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 • 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 • 25 litigating party is said to have made a prima facie case when aware of where a prima facie case is sufficient to trigger a Decision is in a secret grand jury deliberation where the prosecution must make a prima facie case to show that there's sufficient evidence to issue an indictment, thus sparking the defendant's ability to respond. That is the exact opposite of Idaho Power's assertion. Idaho Power's Pleadings say that only something akin to a Motion for a Judgment on the Pleadings, which has a very different standard; that is, once a case is submitted, you decide the case based on the assumption that all of the arguments from the opposing party are true, and despite that assumption, the opposing party still can't prevail. Of course, to make that assumption, the opposing party has to overcome -- has to have the opportunity to make its case. Idaho Power's assertion that based only on a prima facie showing, the bar for which is understandably low, you can make a substantive Decision and refuse to abide by the Federal Statute known as PURPA, which brings me back to my opening remarks about Idaho Power's misleading legal argument, it goes way beyond the meaning of a prima facie case and how that showing just gets the ball rolling in a contested case. I 22 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 Idaho Power's Motion and Memorandum both assert that the Idaho 2 Supreme Court has ruled that only on a showing of a prima facie 3 case that this Commission can suspend avoided cost rates. 4 The citation -- and this is important, because 5 it's foundational to Idaho Power's legal argument -- the 6 citation is to Empire Lumber Company v Washington Water Power 7 Company, 114 Idaho -- that's a reference to the volume in the 8 Idaho Reports -- 191 -- that's a reference to the page that the 9 Opinion begins on -- comma, 233. That's a citation to the 10 specific point in the Decision of the Idaho Supreme Court that 11 is relied on for the authority that you can suspend avoided 12 cost rates based on a prima facie showing. That Opinion, which 13 begins on page 191, actually ends on page 194, the Opinion is 14 three pages long. 15 Beginning on the bottom of page 194 and 16 proceeding through page 244 is the 50-page dissent of Justice 17 Bistline. Idaho Power cites you to Justice Bistline's dissent 18 as the Opinion of the Idaho Supreme Court for the assertion 19 that the Idaho Supreme Court recognizes, quote, the Court 20 stated; and the Idaho Supreme Court's reasoning. Nothing could 21 be further from the truth. The Idaho Supreme Court does not 22 speak through dissenting Opinions. 23 The fact that Idaho Power has made a prima facie 24 case -- and it certainly has, we will definitely concede that . 25 they have a prima fade case -- has significant legal import. I 23 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 • 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The import is for the parties opposing their case and their opportunity to have the ability to respond. That is what the Commission originally set out to do by establishing a schedule to prosecute this case with the opportunity to engage in discovery, file testimony, cross-examine witnesses, file legal memorandum, be apprised of proceedings on more than 24 hours' notice. The fact that Idaho Power has made a prima facie case is nothing more than a routine event initiating a proceeding. It is not a legal basis for this Commission to unilaterally grant the Power Company the ability to simply use it to get its way without any opposing party having the opportunity to respond. However, if this Commission believes Idaho Power's assertion that the bar is so low that all it takes to obtain unilateral action by the Commission is the making of a prima facie case, we are prepared today to call Dr. Reading to the stand this morning, have him sworn in, and he will make a prima fade case on the record that Idaho Power's avoided cost rates are accurate and, in fact, may be too low. We should, at a minimum, have that opportunity if the new standard for Commission action is the mere making of a prima facie case. Thank you, Commissioner. I'd stand for questions. COMMISSIONER SMITH: So, Mr. Richardson, I actually -- I do have just a question, I guess: 24 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 fl 1 I think I agree with your view of the law, that 2 the Idaho Public Utilities Commission has no authority to 3 relieve a Utility of its obligation under Federal law to 4 purchase power. But I also know that one of our biggest 5 responsibilities is to ensure that the rates reflect the 6 Utility's avoided cost accurately, because if they don't, one 7 way or the other somebody gets hurt, and especially if they are 8 too high, then it's the customers that are being asked to 9 shoulder a responsibility that they shouldn't be asked to 10 shoulder. 11 So given that scenario, what is the Commission's 12 tool that it can use when it believes that there are serious . 13 issues with the rates that it has established during the 14 pendency of the proceeding which was being held to sort out 15 whether we're even using the right methodology, the right 16 numbers, and whether the rates actually do reflect the 17 Utility's avoided cost? 18 MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Madam Chair. I 19 believe the Commission has an ongoing obligation to assure that 20 the avoided cost rates are accurate. I think that this 21 Commission had notice from Idaho Power of that fact many years 22 ago when Idaho Power missed the target by asserting that 23 there's too much wind or there's too much solar, as Opposed to 24 saying, Our avoided cost rates need to be readjusted. 25 I think at that point, perhaps the Commission 25 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 could have said, Well, you're focusing on the wrong problem. If the problem is that you're getting too much wind, maybe your avoided cost rates are too high. But complicating that is the fact that simultaneously, Idaho Power was asking you to guarantee, essentially, based on a new Idaho Code Statute, return on their investment of a very expensive new gas plant that I believe is probably unnecessary. But it's tough duty being a State-sanctioned monopoly where you only get a return for your shareholders when you build new plant. There's a dichotomy there that is difficult to reconcile. COMMISSIONER SMITH: Well, I'm not going to debate Langley here; that's not the purpose of today. MR. RICHARDSON: I understand, Madam Chairman. COMMISSIONER SMITH: So you think that we missed the boat and we can't retrieve it now. MR. RICHARDSON: Madam Chair, I think we're on the right track given the current schedule that Staff endorsed and we also endorse, that the current schedule is appropriate. I don't think the sky is falling. I don't think Idaho Power has made a prima fade showing that the ratepayers are going to be harmed. They use these big numbers about 20-year contracts, but those are in the abstract. There's nothing to compare them to. There's no context for these numbers. There's not a showing that there's going to be 26 . 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 19 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 C 1 irreparable harm to the ratepayers. 2 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. I think we will 3 hear from the other parties before we undertake to determine 4 whether we want to take you up on your offer of Dr. Reading. 5 MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Madam Chair. 6 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Any questions? 7 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: The only questions that I 8 have are there's an ongoing proceeding and there's a Motion in 9 this case, and the Motion in the case is to stay the avoided 10 cost during the pendency of the proceeding. Do you think that 11 there is any similarity between the Idaho Rules of Civil 12 Procedure Request for Preliminary Injunction and this . 13 proceeding here today as it relates to, as you've talked about, 14 prima fade case or irreparable damage or harm? Do you think 15 there is any similarity to that, the expedited proceeding where 16 you have a temporary retraining order or a preliminary 17 injunction? 18 MR. RICHARDSON: Madam Chair, Commissioner 19 Redford, I must confirm to some infirmities in terms of the 20 Idaho Rules of Civil Procedure. My entire legal practice has 21 been before this Commission. But my understanding is that you 22 have to have a showing of irreparable harm or some imminent 23 danger. 24 And Commissioner Smith used the word "emergency" C 25 from the Bench this morning. Idaho Power, I think, has been I 27 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 very careful not to use that word in any of their Pleadings. 2 don't think that they've asserted that there's an emergency, 3 and I don't think there is. I don't think the Company has 4 shown any kind of irreparable harm. 5 Like I said with Commissioner Smith, they threw 6 out these big numbers but they don't put them in context so you 7 can understand what they mean. A billion dollars over 20 years 8 to Idaho Power, what does that mean in terms of ratepayers and 9 the alternatives, because these projects that come online -- 10 the wind projects, the solar projects, the dairy digester 11 projects, the cogenerator projects -- all come online with zero 12 fuel volatility risk. Idaho Power's Langley Gulch plant is Q 13 coming online with unlimited fuel volatility risk to the 14 ratepayers. 15 We can make a showing -- and Dr. Reading is 16 prepared to do that -- that the QF projects are a better 17 bargain for the ratepayers than Idaho Power-built projects. 18 One of the fundamental purposes of PURPA was to allow for free 19 market to compete with the State-sanctioned monopoly for 20 building projects, and that's exactly what we want to do. 21 And I think, frankly, that this Commission should 22 be congratulated on its successful implementation of PURPA. 23 Because it's working so well, you're obviating the need for the 24 Power Company to build new plants. I think that's a success 25 story. I 28 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 • 1 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Well, you have -- And moving on after I testimony on a preliminary injunction. It seems like, comparably, we're at the preliminary injunction stage right now. Notwithstanding the fact that you complained that there is very little time for you to mount much of a challenge, the fact does remain that there Affidavits, whereby it sets forth, as you call, a prima facie case, I call where it has or has not established that the irreparable injury or harm may occur. So I'm not really persuaded that, one, that Dr. Reading needs to testify, or am I persuaded that the procedure that you complain about is flawed. The fact that you have complained about it certainly doesn't diminish from Idaho Power's testimony in its Affidavits that it is, in fact, irreparably harmed and damaged and will be irreparably harmed and damaged in the future. And a preliminary injunction, of course, can be brought during the pendency of a case, or it can be brought by itself. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 • 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 • 25 29 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 Another thing that I would like to ask you about 2 is there were other cases -- I believe there was a Colorado 3 case and maybe a California case where you -- where a stay Elm was granted, and you have stated, well, that inasmuch as it's a 5 Colorado and/or California, we don't have to and we shouldn't 6 accept that as precedent. I find that a little difficult to 7 swallow. 8 I guess I'm making a statement more than I am 9 asking questions, so I'll stop right now. Thank you. 10 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Commissioner 11 Redford. And Commissioners making statements is a long-honored 12 tradition, as many who may have been in this room when I 13 Commissioner Swisher was here would have reason to remember. 14 Mr. Miller, did you wish to make a comment? 15 MR. MILLER: Madam Chairman, if ,I might, I might 16 defer to Mr. Otto, who has a, I think, more direct position on 17 the Stay Motion; and after that, I could comment on my issue, 18 which is kind of a second-tier issue. 19 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. Mr. Otto. 20 MR. OTTO: Well, I feel like I'm stepping into 21 large shoes. 22 MR. MILLER: You are. 23 MR. OTTO: Better not put you down. 24 I'm going to cover three points, and I think 25 Commissioner Redford raised an important point: The I 30 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 standard -- I think there is some analogy to the standards for 2 preliminary injunction. I think that's really what's happened, 3 what the request could more accurately be styled as, a 4 preliminary injunction. In that case, there is -- and -- 5 excuse me. 6 In that case, Idaho Power's Motion kind of lays 7 out some of those factors. It's a likelihood of harm. 8 There's -- well, it's a substantial likelihood on success of 9 the merits, substantial threat of irreparable harm or injury, 10 the balance of harms, and that granting an injunction is in the 11 public interest. Idaho Power's Memorandum addresses several of 12 those factors, but I don't think that they meet the burden that 13 those -- that that verbiage carries. 14 Speaking to the success on the merits, Idaho 15 Power has laid out their case, but a lot of that is built on 16 computer models and a lot of different inputs, both what those 17 computer models then spit out what the avoided cost would be 18 for the Utility and what the rate should be for the QF. That's 19 not uncontestable facts. For this Commission to rule for that 20 to be true, you'd have to accept the model is accurate, we 21 think all the inputs are accurate, and we think all the outputs 22 are accurate, based on one party's filing the testimony so far. 23 As we've seen with the amount of Discovery Requests that have 24 come in, a lot of questions to be raised whether the models are . 25 accurate, whether the inputs are accurate, whether the outputs 31 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 are accurate. I don't think there's a substantial likelihood 2 of success or a substantial likelihood of harm. 3 Speaking to the second point -- well, actually, 4 one follow-up to that is that Idaho Power has changed their 5 facts even up to March 16th when they filed an Affidavit of 6 Karl Bokenkamp that corrected some of their testimony and came 7 out with a new corrected exhibit that changed some of the 8 numbers around. It seems that they don't even say that their 9 own facts are uncontested in their filings when they're 10 changing them just four days ago. 11 And I think that Staff's comment just right here 12 in this case kind of supports this idea as well. S 13 The discovery is complicated, it's lengthy. 14 That's why we need to have a long process, and we support the 15 continued schedule that's set out. If the facts were as clear 16 and as uncontestable as Idaho Power argues, the discovery 17 wouldn't be that hard and we could move quickly to get an i• 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 answer. As far as a likelihood of harm, Idaho Power's new standard for the likelihood of every project coming online came out of nowhere. When you look at their integrated resource planning process, they don't look -- they look at signed contracts and even then are very nervous that those signed contracts are going to come online. That's why they have liquidated damages clauses. But now we have a standard of I 32 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 serious inquiries that are beyond a phone call with no showing 2 that those serious inquiries are likely to all come online in a 3 short amount of time, and they're also likely to be at the 4 rates that their computer models show. 5 What we've seen for a long time in Idaho is that 6 even all the signed contracts don't all come online, and that's 7 not even considering all the inquiries that are made that maybe 8 even get into the negotiation stage but then don't end up in a 9 signed contract because of a lot of different factors that go 10 into entering a power purchase agreement. It's not just a 11 price. There's interconnections, there's how you deal with 12 renewable energy credits, there's timing, there's whether the S 13 project can even get financing even with a great power purchase 14 agreement. A lot of factors go into whether something is 15 likely to come online or not, but just a serious inquiry is not 16 a standard for likelihood. 17 But the other part of the harm beyond the 18 contract's coming online is what price is the Utility avoiding, 19 what would have happened otherwise. Again, there's not a big 20 showing of likelihood that the QF contracts or the pricing is 21 going to exceed what is going to be the price 15 years from now 22 for electricity. PURPA regulations state that the avoided 23 cost, if it's based on a contract term and laid out over a 24 20-year time, can exceed the avoided cost at the time of . 25 delivery. The point is to look at the avoided cost at price I 33 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 1 for the QF in year 15 and the avoided cost in year 15. So 2 those are all very complex things to understand, but they speak 3 to whether there is a likelihood of harm, and we haven't had 4 the opportunity to establish that that avoided cost 15 years 5 from now is true or not. 6 But, finally, the idea of the public interest. 7 The public has an interest in continuing PURPA development. 8 Those projects are creating jobs in local communities, they're 9 contributing tax revenues to local communities. PURPA itself 10 sets a goal of deferring capacity additions and reducing fossil 11 fuel usage. That's at 18 CFR 304(e) (3). 12 The public also has an interest in reducing air . 13 pollution, which most of these PURPA projects will do. 14 So I just raise those to say that there are 15 I countervailing public interests to just the costs. 16 And to conclude, Commissioner Smith, you asked 17 for what's the Utility -- what's your tool for protecting 18 ratepayers from -- making sure that the costs re accurate. 19 You have a great tool: It's having contracts put before you 20 and approving them or not. What we've seen throughout this 21 process is QF developers have come in, negotiated a contract 22 with the Utility. They have come before the Commission, 23 parties have weighed in with their comments, and you've made a 24 Decision about whether those are to be approved or not. That's . 25 the tool that you have to protect ratepayers. I 34 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 And I think in this case, using the new IRP 2 methodology since it depends on the characteristics of 3 individual projects -- it might be very different for wind or 4 solar or waste to energy or canal drop hydro -- that it's 5 appropriate to look at a contract-by-contract basis as opposed 6 to a broad brush whether the rates or the contracts are 7 accurate or not. Again, there's a lot of individual 8 characteristics for contracts that could be in the public 9 interest or not, depending on that specific contract. 10 And you have your terrific tool before you to 11 make that Decision right now. You can look at the contracts 12 and you can decide whether they're in the public interest or S 13 not. PURPA authorizes you to do so. But I believe that's the 14 best tool you have before you. 15 And with that, I'll close my comments. 16 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Otto. 17 Mr. Miller, did you have anything you wanted to 18 add? 19 MR. MILLER: Thank you, Madam Chairman. I don't 20 mean to distract your attention from the main issue today, but 21 I might take just a moment to reintroduce Idaho Windfarms. 22 Idaho Wind Farms has developed two PURPA projects 23 in Idaho. The first is the Bennett Creek complex, which the 24 Commission approved in 2006, and that project is online and 25 generating electrical power. The second is the Cold Springs 35 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 S 1 project, or complex, which the Commission approved in 2010, and 2 that project is under construction and every indication is that 3 it will meet its scheduled operation date. 4 Idaho Wind does not intend future PURPA 5 development in Idaho at least as far as it can see into the 6 future, so we cannot really claim a direct interest in the 7 outcome of the Stay Motion. There is though one issue in the B case about which Idaho Wind is very concerned, which I will 9 just identify for you and not attempt to argue, and that is in 10 the testimony of Company Witness Park, there is a proposal for 11 a new form of curtailment of QF projects based on economic 12 considerations and to apply that new form of curtailment to S 13 existing contracts. So Idaho Wind is very concerned about the 14 potential impairment of its existing Agreements. 15 So my interest here today is only with respect to 16 the second issue identified in Order 32495, which is to ensure 17 that any adjustment to the schedule in this case does not 18 interfere with Idaho Wind's ability to fully oppose this new 19 curtailment scheme. From the comments of the parties, it 20 sounds as if there is some consensus that the current schedule 21 should stay in place, and Idaho Wind would support adherence to 22 the current schedule. 23 That's all I had. 24 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Miller. S 25 I forgot to ask: Were there questions for 36 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 Mr. Otto or Mr. Miller? 2 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: No. 3 COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Maybe just one. 4 Mr. Miller, we heard Mr. Otto, as he stepped into 5 your shoes, talk about jobs related to wind, and then you came 6 on and told us there are several projects you've been involved 7 with that are actually -- one's online, one coming online. How 8 many actual permanent full-time jobs are there in a project 9 like that, and what size of project is the first one you 10 referenced that was I believe approved in 2006 and is online low today? Just curious. 12 MR. MILLER: Mr. Commissioner, I have some vague S 13 recollection of information that would be responsive to your 14 question. I recall in the Bennett Creek filing there was 15 information with respect to that. If it would be permissible, 16 I might suggest that the outcome of your -- to your question -- 17 or, the answer to your question may not be completely 18 dispositive of the Stay Motion, and I'd be happy to submit a 19 writing that was more fully responsive. 20 COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Perhaps once we've 21 concluded this, a simple phone call would work. Thank you. 22 MR. RICHARDSON: Madam Chair, Peter Richardson 23 here. 24 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Yes. S 25 MR. RICHARDSON: If I may dovetail on that, I'm I 37 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 I. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 . 13 14 15 16 17 S 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not authorized to say that these jobs are in jeopardy, but I am authorized to say that the jobs are made more secure by the fact that 1,500 people are employed in Lewiston. Their jobs are more secure because Clearwater Paper is able to cogenerate and sell its power under PURPA to Avista. Hundreds of jobs in Pocatello are made more secure because the Simplot Company is able to cogenerate and sell its power to Idaho Power. Scores of jobs are more secure at the Tamarack Mill in New Meadows because that facility is able to sell its power under PURPA to Idaho Power. And I know that the dairy digester AgPower Jerome has just a little, little, tiny three-megawatt project where they have three full-time permanent employees to monitor that facility 24 hours a day. So the number of jobs depends on a lot of things, including the nature of the cogenerator or the small power producer. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Richardson, would you also say that affordable rates, the kind of affordable rates that keep the lights on in every building and industry across the state, also help secure quite a few jobs as well? MR. RICHARDSON: Absolutely, Mr. Commissioner. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. COMMISSIONER SMITH: All right. Mr. Humphries on I 38 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 S 1 the phone, did you have a desire to make a comment? 2 MR. HUMPHRIES: No. Thank you for your -- thank 3 you, but no. 4 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay. Mr. Zamora? 5 MR. ZAMORA: Twin Falls Canal Company is not 6 going to take any position on the stay at this time. 7 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. Let me see. Are 8 there other I guess I better say "attorneys" or 9 "representatives" on the phone of parties in this case who wish 10 to take a position on the Motion that's before us? 11 Hearing none, I suggest we take about a 12 seven-minute break, and then we'll come back and hear from 13 Mr. Walker. 14 (Recess.) 15 MR. WALKER: Madam Chair, maybe ,I can speed that 16 up and say that I don't have any further remarks, unless 17 there's questions for me. 18 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay, then let's just take a 19 break. 20 (Recess.) 21 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you, all. I know we 22 took more than seven minutes. The Commission, since Mr. Walker 23 said he had no further comments, did take the opportunity to 24 discuss what it heard here this morning and the filings of the ~ -,I 25 parties. I 39 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 . 1 The Commission declines to grant the stay that's 2 requested by Idaho Power Company; however, a majority of the 3 Commission does find that the methodologies previously approved 4 and utilized and as applied by Idaho Power Company no longer 5 produce rates that reflect Idaho Power's avoided costs, and are 6 not just and reasonable nor in the public interest. Effective 7 today and continuing until the conclusion of this case, 8 contracts for all projects over 100 kW entered into and 9 presented to the Commission for approval shall be individually 10 assessed with regard to all terms contained therein. 11 The scheduling that we previously outlined does 12 not change; that remains the same. . 13 With that, if there is nothing further to come 14 before us, we will conclude today's oral argument, we will 15 acknowledge that parties were inconvenienced and had to change 16 their schedules, and we apologize, but we think that this was a 17 very important issue that needed to be heard quickly. 18 So we thank you all for your time and efforts, 19 and we are adjourned, and we'll be on our schedule as outlined 20 previously. 21 We're adjourned. Thank you. 22 (The hearing adjourned at 11:10 a.m.) 23 24 . 25 40 I HEDRICK COURT REPORTING ARGUMENT P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701 AUTHENTICATION This is to certify that the foregoing is a true and correct transcript to the best of my ability of the proceedings held in the matter of the Commission's review of PURPA QF contract provisions including the Surrogate Avoided Resource (SAR) and Integrated Resource Planning (IRP) methodologies for calculating published avoided cost rates, Case No. GNR-E-11-03, commencing on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, at the Commission Hearing Room, 472 West Washington, Boise, Idaho, and the original thereof for the file of the Commission. ~ W-U Q /DJ 4Jd-- WENDY J. MURRA , N ta y Public in and for the SJan, e of Idaho, residing at Me Idaho. My Commission expires 2-872014. Idaho CSR No. 475 tall 18 TE - U 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 . 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 HEDRICK COURT REPORTING AUTHENTICATION P. 0. BOX 578, BOISE, ID 83701