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IN THE MATTER OF THE APPL]CATION
OE AVISTA CORPORAT]ON DBA AVISTA
UTILITIES FOR AUTHORITY TO
INCREASE ITS RATES AND CHARGES
EOR ELECTRIC SERVICE ]N IDAHO
CASE NO. AVU-E-19-04
oRDER NO. 34462
PUBLIC HEARING
NOVEMBER 1, 2OL9
7:00 P.M.
COEUR D'ALENE,"^bmIGINAL
o APPEARANCES:
PAUL KJELLANDER, PRESIDENT
KRISTINE RAPER, COMMISSIONER
ERIC ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER
JOHN HAMMOND, DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL
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PROCEEDINGS TAKEN NOVEMBER ?, 2019
MR. KJELLANDER: Good evening.
This is the time and place for a pubJ-j-c
hearing in Case No. AVU-E-19-04, also known as: In the
matter of the applj-cation of Avista Corporation dba
Avista Util-ities for authority to increase its rates and
charges for electric servj-ce to electric customers in
the state of Idaho.
Good evening. My name is Paul- Kjellander.
I'11 be chairing tonight's public hearing. To my right
is Commissioner Eric Anderson, and to my left is
Commissioner Kristine Raper. The three of us comprise
the Comrnission. When the case is fu1ly submitted, we
will be the three that ultimately deliberate and decj-de
the outcome of the settlement stipulation that has been
presented before the Commission in relationship to this
Why donrt we begin with the appearances of the
parties. And let's start with 1egal counsel
representing the staff of the Idaho Public Util-ities
Commission.
MR. HAMMON D: John Hammond, Deputy Attorney
Generaf.
MR. KJELLANDER: And representing Avista?
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MR. MEYER: David Meyer with Avista. Thank
you.
MR. KJELLANDER: Is there any other lega1
counsel that needs to be ...
MR. JEWELL: Ed ,Iewe11, Deputy Attorney
General of the Idaho Publ-ic Utilities Commission.
MR. KJELLANDER: Thank you. Anyone
representing any of the other intervenors in the case?
MR. NYKIEL: Matt Nykiel with the Idaho
Conservation League.
MR. KJELLANDER: Could you spelf your name for
the court reporter.
MR. NYKIEL: N-y-k-i-e-1.
MR. KJELLANDER: Thank you very much.
Wel-l-, at this point since there are no
eligible members of the public to actually testify, it
will be my intent to take a break for five mj-nutes, at
which point if someone does show up we will then give
some brief introductions with regards to the procedure
that wiLl- fo1low with regards to the public testi-mony.
If not, I wil-l- ]-eave that section of the corunentary out
of this evening's proceedings.
And so with that we will go off the record for
a f i-ve-minute window -
(A short break was taken. )
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MR. KJELLANDER: We wiff go back on the
record.
And before we begj-n, I believe we do have at
l-east one member of the public who wishes to testify
tonight. So before I call- the name, I'I1 just offer
just a few very brief instructions.
We have a fittle table here and a chair. And
once we call your name we'lJ- have you come up. The
legaI counsel that represents staff from the Deputy
Attorney Generalrs office, Mr. ,Iohn Hammond, will just
ask you a few brief questions to get you on the record,
name, where you 1ive, and then I think there's a general
question if you're a customer of the company. Pretty
simple and straightforward. And then we'11 take your
testimony at that point.
There is an opportunity for what we call
cross-examj-nation. But itrs not like Perry Mason or
some of the old court things where everybody is starting
to say, "And you committed the murder. " It's not like
that. It's if therers a cfarification that we need, we
may follow up on that. And then the other legal counsel
and parties to the case al-so have an opportunity for
follow-up questions. It's very rare that we see much
happen. So I only bring that up is because there's a
possibility that there may be a couple of questions, but
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$ronrt be too deep and too detail-ed. And, again, you
don't always have to answer.
But you will be sworn .in. So we have a court
reporter here to do that. So hopefully we have you at
ease and haven't scared you away. And hopefully you're
Heather Ross.
And so, Heather, if you'd please come up.
(Witness sworn. )
MR. HAMMOND: Hi. I'm John Hammond, Deputy
Attorney General.
MS. ROSS: Hi, John.
MR. HAMMOND: Could you give us your first and
Iast name and spell your Iast name for the record.
MS. ROSS: My first name is Heather. My l-ast
name is Ross, R-o-s-s.
MR. HAMMOND: And where do you reside?
MS. ROSS: lO37 North Eourth Street in Coeur
drA]ene, 83814.
MR. HAMMOND: What state is that?
MS. ROSS: Idaho.
MR. HAMMOND: Are you a customer of Avista?
MS. ROSS: Yes.
MR. HAMMOND: Okay. Go ahead and provide your
t e st imony .
MS, ROSS: I am concerned as a citizen of this
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country and as a human of this earth about the use of
coal and gas as sustainable energy sources for the
present hour that we're in and for the future
generations, for our children's children's children.
Those sources of energy may have been appropriate and
applj-cable for our grandparents and their grandparents
when we had an industrial revolution and that was the
form of energy that was the most -- the easiest, the
most viable, the quickest to get cfean water and shelter
and food and electricity -- electricity to people. It
was actuaffy the cheapest, fastest, most effective way
to provide for the masses a hundred years ago, 150 years
ago, when it was real-J-y booming.
Today that is not the case. Today we are in
an ecofogical crisj-s and a climate emergency that is
demanding from us to appl"y our creative intell-igence
toward finding more sustainable energy sources. And so
I have a questi-on -- I'm sorry; my hea.rt is racing; I'm
a 1ittle nervous -- to the Commission and also to
Avista. This is my question: How can we as a humanity
apply our creative intelligence to a smooth and
sustainable transition to cfean energy with a threefol-d
focus. E.irst, that honors the earth; that does not
cause harm to the earth or to life on earth. Second,
that is profitable; that is economical-fy, financially
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profitable and that does continue to generate a profit.
And, third, that is a clean source of energy, an actual
c.Iean source of energy.
So, again, how do we apply our creative
intelligence as humans to a smooth sustainab.l-e
transition to cfean energy that honors fife on earth,
that does generate a profit. We have to have honor
first. We have to have honoring life come before profit
to have integrj-ty and accountability to the future
generations. So honoring the earth, generating a profj,t
and being actual clean energy, question mark. Itrs a
question. How do we apply our creative i-ntelligence
toward that end?
MR. KJELLANDER: Thank you. Does that
conclude your testimony?
MS. ROSS: Um ...
MR. KJELLANDER: And if not what we can do
is --
MS. ROSS: I do -- I have one -- I have one
point.
MR. KJELLANDER: Please.
MS. ROSS: But I can save it if you were going
to say something,
MR. KJELLANDER: No, no, no. Werre not
backlogged. Eeel free.
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MS. ROSS: We are unde.r an enormous amount of
pressure at this time. There's never been more
information on the table, more -- therets never been
more at stake for humanity than at this hour that we
find ourselves and collectively. Not just in this city
and in this town, but g1obally. We're now a global
economy and a global. humanity. And we're under so much
pressure. And we have an obligation to consider the
living future with the choices we make in the living
now .
We do need to vision into the future in a way
that aIIows for a future to exist. That is our duty.
We have a duty and a responsibility to the future
generatj-ons, and we need to remember that even in the
pressure. We need to keep that in the forefront of our
decision making, in the forefront of the information
that we take in and vrhat we focus on and how we choose
solutions, We need to take the vision for a livlng
future into consideration with every choice,
MR. KJELLANDER: Thank you. Let's see if
there ' s any cros s-examinat ion .
MR. HAMMOND: No, none.
MR. KJELLANDER: Erom Avista?
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MEYER: Just a comrnent. Number one,
here and also being passionate about
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issue. The same questions you are asking are actual-ly
being asked within the company, fn fact, a lot of our
newer employees are insisting on answers themseLves
within the company. And Ird be happy to carry on this
discussion with people in our organization after this
hearing. Thank you.
MS. ROSS: Thank you,
MR. KJELLANDER: And anyone -- any other
intervenor? No? Okay. Thank you very much, and we
appreciate your testimony this evening. Thank you. And
thanks for being first. Appreciate that.
And Althea. There is a good chance that I
wil-1 make an error on your last name, but I'm going to
give it a whirl . Is it Sawdahl (phonetic) ?
MS. SONDAHL: Sondah].
MR. KJELLANDER: Al-thea Sondahl, if you could
please come up if you choose to provide some public
testimony. And our court reporter wiff swear you in.
(Witness sworn . )
MR. HAMMOND: Can you state your name, first
and l-ast, and spell your last name for the record.
MS. SONDAHL: So my IegaI first name is
Carolyn. I go by my middle name Althea. And my last
name is SondahL, S-o-n-d-a-h-l-.
MR. HAMMOND: Can you teII us where you
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reside?
MS. SONDAHL: Yes. I Iive at 31848 North
Third Street in Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869.
MR. HAMMOND: And are you a customer of Avista
Utifities?
MS. SONDAHL: I am.
MR. HAMMOND: Go ahead and provide your
testimony for the record.
MS. SONDAHL: A11 right, WeIl, first of aff,
I would fike to say I'm reaIly happy for this
opportunity to speak with al-1 of you. And I rea]ly
appreciate the amazing work that the whole culture does
to provide me with the utilitj,es that I have.
So I am an Avista customer. And when a tree
goes down on a l-ine and I don't have any power in Spirit
Lake, I know that I can call Avista and they will take
care of -- it's amazing to me what we have and the way
of fife that we are provided by by your oversight of the
utilities and by the utiliti.es themselves.
So, again, I'm grateful that this hearing is
happening and that there's this conversation and that
we're invj-ted to share 1n it. So I as a -- as a patron,
as a customer. get my bill. And it has this wonderfu.l-
newsletter in it that I read, And it telfs me how to
conserve energy, And I learn about renewable resources.
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I know I can help with a Buck-A-B1ock. I can -- again,
this is -- and this al-l- just comes in my mailbox.
So I try to particj-pate as the best way that I
can as a customer to -- again, for us to responsibly use
what this amazing science does. So I -- I don't use my
dryer. I hang my clothes out on the cfothesline. I
don't heat with el-ectricity. I heat with wood, which,
again, j-mplicates me in the probl-em that we're trying to
solve, j-n a certain way, with how we use resources.
So I drove here to talk to you. I put carbon
into the atmosphere. Again, I think these are real-l-y
complex systems that even as we try to move forward into
a future that we al-f want that we're al-l- j-mplicated
in -- that we can't sol-ve this problem in a simple way.
So I just wanted to say that I want to work
with the entities, the government and the utility
companies, in the best way that I can. And I do think
that in this case if we try to work together we can
creatively so.Ive these problems. And I really
appreciate the Idaho Conservation League that is trying
to hel-p us make decisions that we won't regret later.
So I would like to see Avista, you know,
continue to do the amazing work that they're doing and
researchlng options. I understand that ICL's concern is
refated to the cJ-ean-up that wil-I be necessary when that
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coal- mine is no longer in use. And that I, as a patron,
may end up having to share that financial burden and
that -- that's a problem for me.
So, again, I don't have so.Iutions beyond my
small part of trying to, again, do the things that will
conserve so that we don't need to use more resources,
if -- again, if all of us participate together then we
can reduce the impact that we have and not waste. But
at the same time I know that I have to make choices that
end up participating in systems that are not the best at
this point.
So, again, lrm just hoping that -- that the
resources that you folks have that are much greater than
mine will come up with sol-utions that wilf protect al-l-
of us.
MR. KJELLANDER: Thank you. Let me see if
there are any questions.
MR. HAMMOND: No questions.
MR. MEYER: None. Thank you.
MS. SONDAHL: Thank you.
MR. KJELLANDER: And fet's see if there's any
questions from members of the Cormission,
MR. ANDERSON: (Nodding. )
MS. RAPER: (Nodding. )
MR. KJELLANDER: Afthea, thank you very much
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for your testimony. We appreciate that. And thanks for
coming out this evening.
MS. SONDAHL: Again, it's amazing all you
people are here just to listen to us. That's real]y
great. Thank you.
MR. KJELLANDER: Thank you.
Letrs see. I don't believe we have anyone
e]-se who' s signed up to test j-f y. So at this point it ' s
time for us to bring this public hearing to c.Iosure.
Just to give you a heads-up, there will be a
technical hearing on the settlement that I believe is
next week. And there wilf stiff be an opportunity if
you have additionaf public comments that you'd fike to
file, you can do so. And you can do that either by
directly sending those written comments to the
Commission -- you can find the address on the website --
or you can utiJ-ize some of the electronic filing
components that exist al-so on the website.
So, again, f want to thank members of the
public who took the time come this evening and provide
very thoughtful input into the proceedj-ngs. Those will
become an official part of the record. And the
Corunission wi.IJ- also look to those as we finally
deLiberate on the case once it becomes fully submitted.
We expect that shortfy after the technical
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hearing that I believe the conment period probably ends
around the same date.
MR. HAMMOND: (Noddinq. )
MR. KJELLANDER: I think the timing on that
was probably well positioned. We will have one more
telephonic hearing, I believe, which is al-so next week
where we'If take some more publj-c comment. But lt's my
sense that the deliberation on this case will Iikely be
a very quick turn-around so we can get an order out
towards the effective date of the application put
forward by Avista.
So with that, since there's nothing e.Ise to
come before us this evening, we are adjourned.
(whereupon, the proceedings were
adjourned at 7:30 p.m. )
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REPORTER I S CERTI EICATE
I, Patricia L. PulIo, Certified Shorthand
Reporter, do hereby certi fy:
That the foregoing proceedings were taken
before me at the time and place therein set forth, at
which time any witnesses were placed under oath;
That the testimony and aff objections made
were recorded stenographical l y by me and were thereafter
transcribed by me or under my direction;
That the foregoing is a true and correct
record of aII testimony given, to the best of my
ability;
relative or employee of any
parties, nor am I f inancial-lyattorney or of any
interested in the
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That I am not a
of the
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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my
hand and seal this 15th day of November, 2019.
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