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HomeMy WebLinkAbout20150715Hearing Transcript Volume IV.pdfBEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UT]LITIES COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF IDAHO POWER COMPANY'S PETITTON TO MODIFY TERMS AND COND]TIONS OF PURPA PURCHASE AGREEMENTS CASE NO. IPC-E_15-01 IN THE MATTER OE AVISTA CORPORATION'S PETITION TO MODIFY TERMS AND CONDTTIONS OF PURPA PURCHASE AGREEMENTS CASE NO. AVU-E-15_01 IN THE MATTER OF ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER COMPANY'S PETITION TO MODIFY TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PURPA PURCHASE AGREEMENTS CASE NO. PAC-E-15-03 BEFORE COMMISSIONER PAUL KJELLANDER (Presiding) COMMISS]ONER KRISTINE RAPER 5,HPLACE: Commission Hearing Room -* G' 472 West Washington Street :;J!; k ,Boise, Idaho '"1i.,- r-- ..:-;'.: |- :EDATE: June 30,2075 .'l s '::- (*) VOLUME IV - Pages 7 62 1,027 CSB REPORTING C ertifrcd S h orthand Reporters Post Offrce Box9774 Boise,Idaho 83707 csbreporting@heritagewifi . com Ph: 208-890-5198 Fax: 1-888-623-6899 Reporter: Constance Bucy, CSR ORIGINAL 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 B 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 16 71 1B t9 ZU 2t 22 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 Eor the Staff: Eor Idaho Power Company: For Rocky Mountai-n Power: Eor Avista Corporation: Eor Cl-earwater Paper: For Intermountain Energy Partners: For J.R. Simplot Company: For Idaho Irrlgation Pumpers: APPEARANCES Dona1d Howe1l, Esg. and Daphne Huang, Esq. Deputy Attorneys General 412 West Washington StreetBoise, Idaho 83120-0074 Donovan E. Dlalker, Esq. Idaho Power Company Post Office Box 10Boise, Idaho 83707-0070 Yvonne R. Hog1e, Esq. Rocky Mountain Power 207 S. Main Street, Ste. 2400Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 l'lichaeI Andrea, Esq.Avista Corporation Post Office Box 3121 Spokane Washlngton 99220 R]CHARDSON ADAMS PLLC by Peter J. Richardson, Esq. 515 North 2'7LhL Street Boise, fdaho 83102 McDEVITT & M]LLER by Dean J. Miller, Esq. 420 West Bannock Street Boj-se, Idaho 83102 RICHARDSON ADAMS PLLC by Gregory M. Adams, Esq. 515 North 21Lh StreetBoise, Idaho 83102 RAC]NE OLSON NYE BUDGE & BAILEY by Eric L. O1sen, Esg. Post Office Box 1391PocateIIo, Idaho 83204-\397 APPEARANCES 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 1_5 !6 L7 18 1,9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 A P P E A R A N C E S (Continued) Eor Idaho Conservation League & Sierra Club: For Snake River Al-liance: For Renewable Energy Coalition:(Of Record) For Snake River AII-iance: For Micron Corportion: Northside and Twin Falls Canal- Compani-es: For Ecoplexus: Benjamin iI. Otto, Esg. Idaho Conservatlon League 770 North 6th StreetBoise, Idaho 83702 KeJ,sey Jae Nunez, Esq. Snake River Al-liance Post Office Box 1731Boise, Idaho 83701 Williams Bradbury PC by Ronald L. WiJ.J.iams, Esq. 1015 V{est Hays StreetBoise, Idaho 83702 -and- SANGER LAW PC by Irion Sanger, Esq. 1117 SW 53rd Avenue Portland, Oregon 97215 Kelsey ,.Tae lilunez, Esq. Snake River Alliance Post Office Box !131Boise, Idaho 83701 HOLLAND & HART LLPby Frederick iI. Schmidt, Esq. 377 S. Nevada Street Carson Ci-ty, Nevada 89703 ARKOOSH LAI/I] OFFICESby C. lom Arkoosh, Esq. Post Office Box 2900Boise, Idaho 83701 FISHER PUSCH LLPby ilohn R. Hamond, iI?., Esq. Post Office Box 1-308Boise, Idaho 83701 APPEARANCES 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 76 77 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 INDEX WITNESS EXAMINATION BY PAGE Don Reading (Clearwater/Simplot ) Mr. Richardson (Direct) 763Prefiled Direct Testlmony 7 65Prefiled Rebuttal Testimony 840Mr. Howel-I (Cross) 856Mr. Wal-ker (Cross ) 8 61 Commissi-oner Kj rellander 8 68 Yao Yin ( Staff ) Ms. Huang (Direct) Prefiled Direct TestimonyMr. Richardson (Cross)Mr. Mill-er (Cross ) 871 874 884 886 Rick Sterling ( Staff ) Mr. Howel1 (Directl 890Prefil-ed Direct Testj-mony 892Prefiled Rebuttal Testimony 924Mr. Richardson (Cross) 935Mr. Olsen (Cross) 956 Mr. Adams (Cross) 957Mr. Otto (Cross) 965Mr. Hammond (Cross) 968Mr. Nunez (Cross) 97LMr. Walker (Cross) 914 Mr. Andrea (Cross) 916 Commissioner Raper 977Mr. Howel-1 (Redirect ) 918 INDEX 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 16 t7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 EXHIBITS NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE FOR IDAHO POWER COMPANY: 1. 1_1.Admitted 1026 FOR THE STAFE: 101. Expiration of PURPA Contracts Premarked Over Time Admitted 1026 FOR J.R. SIMPLOT & CLEARV{ATER PAPER: 201-. CV for Dr. Don Reading Premarked Admitted 7026 202. 18 C.F.R. S 292.304 PremarkedAdmitted 1026 203. Federal Register pages 72274 & PremarkedL2224-L2227 Admitted 7026 204. Redacted Rebuttal Testimony of Premarked Gregory N. Duval1, 8/2/13 Admitted !026 205. Energy Sales Agreements Premarked Terminat j-ons for C1ark Sol-ar L-4, Admitted L026with Attachment 1 FOR ICLISIERRA CLUB: 301. 305 Admitted L026 FOR INTERMOUNTAIN ENERGY PARTNERS: 401. 402.Admitted 7026 CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho 8367 6 EXHIBITS 1 2 3 4 tr 6 7 I 9 10 11 !2 13 t4 15 16 L7 18 r_9 20 27 22 23 24 25 EXHIBITS (Continued) NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE EOR SNAKE RIVER ALLIANCE: 501_.Admitted 1,026 FOR ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER: 601.Admitted 1026 FOR AVISTA CORPORATION: 1101. - 1103.Admitted L026 CSB REPORTING Wilder, Idaho EXH]B]TS 8367 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 76 t1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 BOISE ]DAHO, TUESDAY JUNE 30 2015 9: 00 A. M. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: WeII, good morning. We'll reconvene and go back on the record as we continue to proceed with the case. f won't go through the laborious naming and numbering of it. We're al-l aware of it by now. If you're in the wrong pIace, you can still 1eave. As we l-eft things yesterday, we were going to start with Don Reading and then move to Staff's final two witnesses; is that sti11 okay with everybody? MR. RICHARDSON: Itrs fine with us, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Excell_ent; so with that, then, Mr. Richardson, my assumption is that you are going to get Don Reading ready for us, So why donrt I hand it off to you. MR. RICHARDSON: Clearwater Paper and J.R. Dr. Reading to the stand. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Simplot jointly woul-d call MR. SCHMIDT: Mr. Chairman? Sorry, f wasn't here yesterday and so I just wanted to enter an appearance. Irm Fred Schmidt. Irm counsel for Micron and f'11 be attending the remainder of the hearing on CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 762 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 q, 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 t6 t1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 READING (Di) Simplot /Clearwater behalf of Micron. My partner Pamel-a Howland substituted for me yesterday. Unfortunately, I was in a hearing for the Nevada PUC, but I'm glad to be here today. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: She warned us you'd be herer so thank you for bringing that up. DON READ]NG, produced as a wltness at the instance of the Clearwater Paper Corporation and the J.R. Simplot Company, having been first duly sworn to tel-l- the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, was examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAM]NATION BY MR. RICHARDSON: O. Good morning, Dr. Reading. Would you please state your name and spell your last name for the record? A. Don Reading, R-e-a-d-i-n-9. O. And are you the same Dr. Reading who has prefiled direct and rebuttal testimony in this proceeding? A. Yes. O. And are you the same Dr. Readi-ng who caused 763 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 16 t7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 READING (D1) Simplot/Clearwater replacement page No. 15 to be filed in this proceeding? A. Yes. O. And Dr. Reading, if I were to ask you the same questions you were asked in your prefiled dj-rect, rebuttal, and replacement page testimony, would your answers be the same today? A. Yes, they would. O. And do you have any corrections or additions to make to your testimony? A. None I know of. MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, I would move that Dr. Reading's testimony, prefiled testimony, and exhibits -- what are the exhibit numbers 207 through 205 be marked for identification purposes and his testimony be spread upon the record as if it were read in ful-1. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: That's what I had as we11, so without objection, we will put the testimony across the record as if read, both the direct and the rebuttal, and mark and identify Exhibits 201 through 205. Thank you, Mr. Richardson. (The fol-lowing prefiled direct and rebuttal testj-mony of Dr. Don Reading is spread upon the record.) 764 2 3 4 q 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Readlng, Di 1 Simplot/Cl-earwater O. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BUS]NESS ADDRESS. A. My name is Don Reading and my business address is Ben Johnson Associates, 6070 Hill Road, Boise, Idaho. I am Vice President and Consulting Economist for Ben Johnson Associates. o. HAVE YOU PREPARED AN EXHIBIT OUTLINTNG YOUR QUAL]FICAT]ONS AND BACKGROUND? A. Yes. Exhibit No. 201 serves that purpose. O. ON WHOSE BEHALF ARE YOU TESTTFYING TN THIS CONSOLIDATED DOCKET? A. The J.R. Simplot Company (Simplot) and Cl-earwater Paper Corporation (Clearwater) . O. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE AND GENERAL CONCLUSION OE YOUR TEST]MONY IN THIS CASE? A. I have been retained by Simplot and Clearwater to review the petitions fil-ed by the ldaho Power Company (Idaho Power), Avista Corporation (Avista), and Rocky Mountain Power (RMP) asking the Idaho Public Utilities Commission (Commission, IPUC) to modify the terms and conditions of Public Utility Regulatory Poficies Act of !918 (PURPA) contracts. I will explain why the recommendations of the three utilities is an unreasonably overbroad approach. Both the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) and the Idaho Commission have correctly stated that PURPA projects need contracts of duration 165 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 l_3 L4 15 76 t7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 longer than five years to all-ow for financing of a PURPA generation facility. I will explain why the examples used by Idaho Power to criticize PURPA are misleading, and wil-l- demonstrate that Idaho Power's claim of a "fl-ood" of incoming Reading, Di 1a Simplot /Clearwater 766 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 16 L1 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 2 Simplot /Clearwater PURPA contracts is misleading. It is far from certain from the evidence provided that these projects will ever be built. I recommend the Commission maintain the current 2O-year contract length for qualifying facil-ities (QEs) eJ-igible for the IRP methodology rates, or at a minimum for non-intermittent QFs, and if adjustments need to be made they should be through the calculation of avoided cost rates and not limiting the term of the contract. O. YOU INDICATED YOU ARE TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF SIMPLOT. DOES SIMPLOT OPERATE OR INTEND TO DEVELOP QF PROJECTS IN IDAHO? A. Yes. Simplot currently operates an existing QF project at its fertilizer plant in Pocatello, Idaho, which utilizes a renewable fuel- in the form of waste heat in an industrial cogeneration process and has a nameplate capacj-ty of 15. 9 megawatts (MW) . It has sold the output from that plant under a series of PURPA contracts, and recently entered into a one-year replacement contract for that PURPA facility. Simplot will need another replacement contract within the next year. Although Simplot has recently obtained QF contracts with published avoided cost rates, it has also requested indicative pricing under the IRP methodology and considered increasing its generation well above 10 average monthly 761 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 l6 L7 t-8 19 20 2L 22 23 24 Reading, Di 2a Simplot /Cl-earwater MW on a consistent basis, which would require a contract containing the IRP methodology avoided cost rates. In recent years, I understand that Simplot has considered contract lengths of up to seven years for this project. Additionally, Magic Reservoir Hydroelectric QF (Magic) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Simplot. Magic is a nine MW hydro facility in Southern Idaho, and currently has a 35-year contract to seII the output to Idaho Power, which expJ-res in 2024. 25 168 I 2 3 4 5 6 1 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 t1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Simplot al-so recently contacted Idaho Power to request indicative pricing for a cogeneration QE sized up to 25 MW, to be developed at the new Idaho Project potato processing facility in Caldwel1, Idaho. I understand that Simplot faces dlfficul-ty even analyzing the viability of this proposed facility without a fixed rate schedul-e in excess of five years. ft is likely the project wil-l not proceed if the Commission reduces the maximum contract length to five years. O. YOU ALSO TESTIFIED THAT YOU ARE TESTIFY]NG ON BEHALF OF CLEARWATER. DOES CLEARWATER OPERATE OR INTEND TO DEVELOP QF PROJECTS IN IDAHO? A. Clearwater owns four generators at its wood pufp, paperboard, and tissue manufacturing facility near Lewiston, Idaho, which primarily utilize as fuel the black Iiquor byproduct of the paper production process and wood waste. These four generators are cumul-atively capable of generating approximately 109 MW of electrical- output. Although they primarily use a renewabl-e fuel in the form of biomass, these facil-ities al-so use the steam output as process steam in the production of pulp, paperboard and tissue products, and are each certified as cogeneration QFs. Cl-earwater has previously sol-d its output from these generators to Avista under PURPA contracts, and Cl-earwater has maj-ntained its QF Reading, Di 3 Simplot /Clearwater 769 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 76 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 certj-fication to allow it to again make sales under PURPA j-n the future. Currently, Clearwater operates under a 2013 agreement whereby Clearwater uses its generators to serve Clearwater's own load, and Avista compensates Cl-earwater for its excess generation at the retail- electricity rate. The 20L3 agreement remains in effect until June 30, 2078, but provides Clearwater with a limited right to terminate its energy sales to Avista with 90 days notice. Reading, Di 3a Simplot /Clearwater 710 Addltionally, I understand from communications with Cfearwater personnel- that Clearwater and Avista have had periodic conversatj-ons over the last five years about the viability of siting a large cogeneratlon project at Cl-earwaterfs Lewiston facility. Given the large and nearly constant steam demand at the Lewiston site, this facility coul-d support a base-load plant of an incremental 15 to 725 MW that would approach l)eo thermal- efficiency depending on the sizes and types of prime movers selected for the project. The net impact of this project woul-d be an incremental Iowering of greenhouse gas emissions for the western U.S. as it would displace base-1oad coal plants and assi-st the State of Idaho to comply with the E.P.A.'s recently proposed, and likeIy promulgated, Section 111(d) carbon reduction rule. The expected economics of such a project would 1ike1y require non-recourse financing with terms of at least 15 years, with 20 years being a more feasibl-e Lerm. A limitation of a five-year power purchase agreement takes this type of hiqh efficiency, greenhouse-gas-reducing project off the tabl-e as an option at Lewj-ston. Cl-earwater does not think this artificial l-imitation is in the best interest of the ratepayers of Idaho. O. AS]DE EROM PURPA OR SERVING THEIR OWN LOADS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER VIABLE OPPORTUNTTIES TO SELL THE 5 6 1 U 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 l1 1B 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 4 Simplot /Clearwater 1'7 7 1_ 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 t6 t7 18 L9 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 4a Simplot /Cl-earwater OUTPUT FROM PROJECTS LIKE SIMPLOT'S AND CLEARWATER'S IN THTS REGION OF THE COUNTRY? A. UnIike the three regulated utilities that petitioned the Commissj-on in this docket, state l-aw bars Simplot and Clearwater from selling el-ectricity at retail- to any customer. This is al-so true of neighboring states that largely bar the sal-e of electricity at retail. Additionally, EERC has stated that Sectlon 210 (m) of PURPA is intended to relieve 112 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 R 9 10 11 !2 13 74 15 t6 l1 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 5 Simplot/Clearwater utilities of their PURPA obligation if there is a sufficiently competitive wholesale market for QFs to se11 power. But there is no such economically viable wholesale market. for the sale of electricity that meets PURPA's requirements in this region. Therefore, aside from PURPA sal-es to util-ities, neither Clearwater nor Simplot have a legal or economically viabl-e market, retail- or wholesale, to seIl electricity. O. IDAHO POWER SUGGESTS THAT THE IDAHO COMMISS]ON HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REDUCE CONTRACT LENGTHS FOR EIXED AVOIDED COSTS TO ANY LENGTH IT CHOOSES. WHAT IS THE ORIG]N OF A LONG_TERM CONTRACT WITH FIXED AVO]DED COST RATES ? A. PURPA is a federal- law that directs FERC to implement regulations that encourage cogeneration and smal-l- power production f rom renewable resources. I have incl-uded as Exhibit No. 202 a copy of the FERC regulation regarding a QE's right to a legally enforceabl-e obligation for a specified term, which is contained in 18 Code of Federal- Regulations Part 292.304. The FERC regulatlon provides that each QF shall have the option: (2) To provide energy or capacity pursuant to a 7ega17y enforceabfe obJigation for the deLivery of energy or capacity over a specified term, in which case the rates for such purchases shal-l-, dt the 173 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 5a Simplot/Clearwater option of the quaTifying faciTity exercised prior to the beginning of the specified term, be based on either: (i) The avoided costs caJ-cuLated at the time of deJivery; or (ii) The avoided costs caTculated at the time the obligation is incurred.l 1 Exhibit No. 202 (containinq l-8 C. r.R. S 292.304 (d) (2) . 774 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 t0 11 L2 13 L4 15 16 t7 18 79 20 27 22 23 24 25 O. COULD YOU PLEASE STATE FERC'S EXPLANATION AS TO THE INTENT OF THIS RULE, AS PROV]DED IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER AT THE TIME FERC PROMULGATED THE RULE? A. Yes. I have provided as Exhibit No. 203 an excerpt of EERCTs Order No. 69, which was published in the Federa1 Register on February 25, 1980, and explained FERC's decision to adopt this regulation. FERC stated: Paragraphs (b) (5) and (d) are intended to reconciLe the requirement that the rates for purchases equaT the utiLities' avoided cost with the need for qualifying facil-ities to be abTe to enter into contractual- commitments based, by necessity, on estimates of future avoided costs. Some of the comments received regarding this section stated that, if the avoided cost of energy at the time it js suppTied is Less than the price provided in the contract or obliqation, the purchasinq utiTity wouTd be required to pay a rate for purchases that woul-d subsidize the quaTifying faciLity at the expense of the utifity's other ratepayers. The Commission recognizes this possibiTity, but js cognizant that in other cases, the required rate wil-l- turn out to be l-ower than the avoided cost at the time of purchase. The Commission does not believe that the reference in the statute to the incrementaf cost of Reading, Di 6 Simplot /Clearwater 115 2 3 4 ( 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 76 !7 18 !9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 alternative enerqy was intended to require a minute-by-minute evaluation of costs which wouLd be checked against rates estabLished in Tong term contracts between quaTifying faciTities and electric utilities. Many commenters have stressed the need for certainty with regard to return on investment in new technol-ogies. The Commission agrees with these Reading, Di 6a S implot /Clearwater 776 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 !6 t1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 1 Simplot /Clearwater Tatter arguments, and bel-ieves that, in the Tong runr'toverestimations" and "underestimations" of avoided costs wiJ-l- baJ-ance out. **** Paragraph (d) (2) permits a qualifyinq faciTity to enter into a contract or other 7ega77y enforceabLe obligation to provide energy or capacity over a specified term. Use of the term "7ega71y enforceabLe obl-igation" is intended to prevent a util-ity from circumventing the requirement that provides capacity credit for an eTigible qualifying facility mereJy by refusing to enter into a contract with the qualifying facility.z O. I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE NOT AN ATTORNEY AND CANNOT PROVTDE A LEGAL OPINION ON FERCIS INTERPRETATION OF ITS OWN REGULATION, BUT AS A MATTER OF ECONOMICS, IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT A EIVE-YEAR CONTRACT TERM WILL, IN EERCIS WORDS, ''PREVENT A UTIL]TY FROM C]RCUMVENTING THE REQUIREMENT THAT PROVIDES CAPACITY CRED]T FOR AN EL]G]BLE QUALIEYING FAC]Lf TY'' ? A. No. The QF will not be able to cause the utility to avoid future capacity additions if the contract term is shortened to five years. One of the ways a utility can avoid, or "circumvent" in FERC's terminology, entering into a QF contract is to limit the 111 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 16 t7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 7a Simplot /Cl-earwater contract term to such a short period that being able to finance the project becomes impossible. The contract terms recoilImended by the three utilities in this case of two, three, and fj-ve years 2 n*hibit No. 203 at 2 (containingiFERC Order No. 69, 45 Fed. Reg. 1,2214, 12,224 (Feb. 25, l-980)). 778 1 2 3 4 5 6 '1 B 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 t6 l1 18 19 20 27 22 z3 24 25 Reading, Di B Slmplot /Clearwater are all too short to allow a QF to be economically viabl-e or to provide, and be compensated for, the capacity value. o. AS A MATTER OF THAT A FIVE_YEAR CONTRACT FOR CERTA]NTY WITH REGARD TECHNOLOGTES'' ? ECONOMICS, IS IT YOUR OPINION TERM WOULD SATISFY ''THE NEED TO RETURN ON INVESTMENT ]N NEW A. No. The only "certainty" that comes to mind with a QF contract term of five years or less is that it j-s very unlikely the project would ever be buil-t. This conclusion is supported by the fact that utility non-PURPA power purchase agreements are for terms much longer than five years. Eor example, Idaho Power's Neal- Hot Springs power purchase agreement is for a 25-year term, and ldaho Power retained the right to extend the term of that agreement. In his comments on the Neal- Hot Sprlngs contract, IPUC Technical Staff, Rick Sterling, identified the right to extend the term as one of the "benefits" of that agreement in recommending its approval. 3 O. ALL THREE OF THE UTILITIES ASK EOR A PURPA CONTRACT TERM OE FIVE YEARS OR LESS. IF CONTRACT LENGTH WERE ONLY FIVE YEARS OR SHORTER, ]S IT YOUR OPINION THAT A QF PROJECT COULD RELY ON THE CONTRACT TO F]NANCE THE DEVELOPMENT? 119 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 12 13 t4 15 L6 L1 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 8a S implot /Clearwater A. No. The "Enron meltdown" provided an Idaho example of the impact of shortening the term of QF contracts to five years. As the Commission noted when increasing the term limit from five years to 20 years (after reducing them earlier), only one PURPA contract was signed in ldaho with the shortened contract length. At that ti-me, the Commission explaj-ned, 3 tpuC Staff Comments, IPUC Docket No. IPC-E-Og-34, May 3, 2010) . pp. 13-14 (fil-ed 780 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 !4 15 t6 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 9 Simplot/Clearwater This Commission also cannot ignore the fact that since reducing the eJigibility threshold to L W and contract term to 5 years, there has been onTy one PURPA contract signed in ldaho. A Tonger contract, we find, better coincides with the amortization period or pTanned resource life of the renewable or coqeneration resources being offered, better refl-ects the amortization period of generation projects constructed by the utiTitzes themseJ-ves and wi77 coincidently provide a revenue stream that wifl- facil-itate the financing of QF projects.4 O. DOES THE IDAHO COMMISSION LIMIT UTILITY-OWNED GENERATION RESOURCES TO A EIVE-YEAR TERM FOR COST RECOVERY OE THE INVESTMENT? A. No. Any utility-owned resources of any significance that I am familiar with are approved by the Commission with terms in some cases up to 50 years, and are seldom shorter than 20. Of course , for a utility-owned resource the ratepayer is on the hook for provi-ding the utility with a return both of and on the i-nvestment for the facility once it is put into rate base. Treati-ng PURPA resources on an equal footing with utility-owned resources would mandate they also should receive longer-term contracts. o. FERC ALSO REEERENCED "LONG TERM CONTRACTS." IF 18]- 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 t4 15 76 77 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 9a Simplot /Clearwater YOU WERE TO ASSUME THAT PURPA REQUIRES A LONG-TERM CONTRACT, IN YOUR OPINION, IS EIVE YEARS A LONG TERM IN THE CONTEXT OE A UTILITY-SCALE CAPITAL INVESTMENT? A. No. When considering financing sj-gnificant capital investments, such as utility generation plants, "1ong-term contracts" would certainly mean more than five years. 4 tpuc order No. 29029, at p. 1. 782 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 17 18 79 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 10 Simplot /Clearwater O. IF I WERE TO TELL YOU THAT FERC'S RULES REQUIRE THE COMMISSION TO IMPLEMENT LONG_TERM, F]XED AVOIDED COST RATES THAT PREVENT THE UTILTTY EROM CIRCUMVENTING THE NEED TO PAY FOR THE QF'S CAPACITY OR THAT ARE OF SUFFIC]ENT LENGTH TO SUPPORT ]NVESTMENT IN A UTILITY GENERATION FACIL]TY, IS IT YOUR OP]NION THAT A EIVE_YEAR CONTRACT TERM MEETS THAT TEST? A. No. Using such an unreasonably overbroad approach of shorting the contract length so that QFs cannot obtain financing is a way around FERC's rules. Developing accurate avoided cost pricing is a more rational- approach that meets FERCTs regulations. O. HAS THE IDAHO COMMISSION ]TSELF MADE PINDINGS REGARDING THE LENGTH OE CONTRACTS WITH A FIXED RATE THAT IS NECESSARY TO ENCOURAGE QF DEVELOPMENT AND SUPPORT FINANCING FOR A QF PROJECT? A. Yes. Just a f ew years ago, the Idaho Commiss j-on found: We find that a 2)-year contract Tength, aTong with other factors, has been beneficial- in encouraging PURPA deveTopment in Idaho. Dle continue to beJ-ieve that 2)-year contracts better coincide with the usefuL Life of the renewabJ-e/cogeneration resources. Whil-e it is not this Commission's responsibility to ensure a contract Tenqth that aLl-ows a QF to obtain 783 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 l4 15 16 l1 18 19 20 21, 22 23 24 25 financing, we find that reducing maximum contract Tength to five years woul-d unduly hinder PURPA deveTopment. That is not the Commission's objective. We beLieve that, by utiTizing other tools to ensure an accurate and up-to-date avoided cost vafuation, Reading, Di 10a Simplot /Cl-earwater 184 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 L7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 11 Simplot/Clearwater we can continue to encourage the tTpes of projects that were envisioned by PURPA whiTe maintaining the transparency for ratepayers as PURPA requires. Therefore, we find that a maximum contract Tength of 20 years is appropriate. The parties to a power purchase agreement are free to negotiate a shorter contract if that would be most suitable for the project. As in the past, this Commission wiLL consider contracts of more than 20 years on a case-by-case basis.5 O. THE COMMISS]ON STATED, ''WE FIND THAT REDUCING MAXIMUM CONTRACT LENGTH TO FIVE YEARS WOULD UNDULY HINDER PURPA DEVELOPMENT.'' DO YOU AGREE? A. Yes, I believe Commission is correct. Real- world economics dictate that a project wiII not get financing with a contract length of five years unless the investment has a five-year pay-back period. A five-year pay-back is far shorter than generally understood to be necessary for long-term utility-scale investments. O. HAVE CONDITIONS CHANGED SINCE 201,2 WHEN THE COMMISSION STATED THAT REDUCING THE CONTRACT LENGTH WOULD UNDULY HINDER PURPA DEVELOPMENT? A. No. The length of the QF contract has to do with the ability to obtain funds in order to build the project. Those conditions have not changed. The 785 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 1,2 13 t4 15 L6 71 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 11a Simplot /Clearwater utilitj-es' avoided costs may have changed and that should be the determining factor in whether projects are developed, rather than an arbitrarily short contract term that is designed to deprive financing and capacity payments to the QF. 5 tPuc Order No. 32691, at p. 24. 186 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 t6 71 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di L2 Simplot /Clearwater o. ARE FOR ELECTRIC A. Not Power's most Power issued mature after 2O-YEAR CONTRACT TERMS OUT OF THE ORDINARY UTIL]T]ES ? at al-l-. For example, according to Idaho recent 10-K filing, in April of 2072 fdaho $75 mi1lion in first mortgage bonds that 30 years. Long-term financial- commitments are routine in all util-ities' financing and planning. O. DR. READING, WHAT PREC]PITATED THE CONSOLIDAT]ON OF PETIT]ONS FILED BY THE THREE UTILITIES IN THIS DOCKET? A. ldaho Power filed a petition on January 30, 2015, to reduce the length of PURPA contracts to two years. The Commission granted the Company interim rel-ief temporarily reducing QF contracts from 20 years to five years. On February 27 , 2015, Avista petitioned the Commission for the same temporary and permanent rel-ief that would be granted to Idaho Power and a five-year contract length for wind and sol-ar QEs. Four days l-ater on March 2, 20L5, Rocky Mountain Power filed its petition seeking the same interim rel-ief and a permanent reducti-on in the length of QF contracts to three years, along with an adjustment in the method of calculating avoided costs. The Commission consol-idated the three cases into a single docket.I wlll discuss each of the utilities' petitions. COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US IDAHO POWER'S REASONo. 18'l 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 !6 77 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di L2a S implot /Cl-earwater FOR FILING THE ORGINAL PETITION FOR THIS CASE? A. According to the Companyrs petitj-on, it faces what some have called a "tsunami" of wind and sol-ar PURPA projects washing over Idaho Power's slstem.6 Idaho Power proposes to l-imit contract terms for all QFs eligible for lRP methodology rates to two years. 6 Idaho Power's Petition, IPUC Case No. 1PC-E-15-01, p. 21. 788 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 T6 L7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 13 Simplot /Cl-earwater O. WHAT IS IDAHO POWER'S RATIONALE FOR LIMITING PURPA PROJECTS TO ONLY TWO YEARS IN DURATION? A. Idaho Powerrs claim is that PURPA is imposing "risk" and "harm" to ratepayers. Idaho Power's petition largely discusses a probl-em with intermittent wind and solar QFs that have the capability of creating an oversupply probJ-em on Idaho Power's system during certain periods of the year. According to Idaho Power's subsequent pleadings, the problem is not just lntermittent wind and sol-ar projects but PURPA itself in obligating ratepayers to the Commission-approved rates for a 2}-year period.T In an attempt to prove its case, Idaho Power provldes "examples" of the price paid for PURPA generatJ-on. Idaho Power claims customers must purchase power at these higher PURPA prices when the power is not needed to serve load or can be obtained in the market at a cheaper price. O. DO YOU BELIEVE TDAHO POWER MAKES A COMPELL]NG ARGUMENT WHEN PRESENTING ITS EVIDENCE? A. No. ldaho Power arrives at its conclusions by only telling hal-f of the story. When valid comparable evidence is presented, it shows the Company's own generating resources commi-t the same "sins" as the PURPA resources that they are asking the Commission to discourage. 789 I 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 16 77 18 t9 20 2T 22 23 24 25 Readj-ng, Di 13a Simplot /Clearwater o. coulD You PLEASE EXPLATN WHAT YOU MEAN BY ONLY PRESENTING HALF THE STORY? A. The first half of the story is tol-d when comparing the cost of PURPA resources to Mid-Col-umbia (Mid-C) prices. As shown in Exhibit No. 10 of Company witness AIlphin's 1 Idaho Power's Answer to SinpTot/Cfearwater Joint/Cross Petition, IPUC Case No. IPC-E-15-01, at p. 2 (filed March 1-9, 201,5) . 190 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 16 T7 18 1,9 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di t4 Simplot/Cl-earwater direct testimony, historical Mid-C prices have been lower than PURPA prices since 2002 to the present and are projected by ldaho Power to be lower over the next 20 years. What this comparison fails to recognize is capital costs are included in the PURPA per MWh price. Mid-C prices are market prices and are more reasonably related to the variable running costs of existing generating resources that do not contain capital costs. Both variable and capital costs are rol-led together in the rates customers pay. When a utility's generating resource is approved in rate base, the ratepayers are "forced" to pay the capital costs of the resource over the approved 1ife, even when the Company's own generating resources are not needed to serve load. o. WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A MORE APPROPRIATE CAMPARISON? A. The cost of PURPA resources paid by Idaho Power are passed through to customers i-n the retall- rates customers pay. PURPA rates should be compared to what Idaho Power's customers pay for power from the Company's own generation facilities, which woul-d include the rate based capital costs along with the fixed and variabl-e running costs. O. HAVE YOU MADE THAT COMPAR]SON V{HERE BOTH PURPA PROJECTS AND TDAHO POWERIS GENERATING RESOURCES ARE 191, 3 4 q 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 76 t1 1B 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 14a S implot /Clearwater MEASURED ON AN EQU]VALENT BASIS? A. Yes, a reasonabl-e comparj-son can be made by using Idaho Powerrs FERC Form 1 data for production costs and Idaho Power's Responses to Simplot's di-scovery request for the capital portion of the costs. Chart 1 bel-ow displays the results of including the estimated capital costs along with the variable running costs of Idaho Power's generating facil-ities on a per MWh basis for 20L3, therefore comparing them on an equivalent basis to the PURPA costs in retail rates. For 20L3, ds expected, the market Mid-C prices are the 792 1 .)L 3 4 5 6 1 B 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 L6 71 1B 79 20 2t 22 23 24 Reading, Di 15 Simplot/Cl-earwater lowest cost non-hydro resource on fdaho Power's system. Two of the Company's coal resources have a lower cost than PURPA resources with the other four thermal units at a higher cost. This does not take into account the additional costs that might be necessary for coal- plant upgrades for environmental compliance for the Company's non-PURPA resources that may be necessary in the near future. Chart I (Corrected) ldaho Power Ratepayer Pourer Costs 2013 & Mid-C S/MWh Bennetilt.r ti Danskint'E X1't-argnyeuUr"EE valmyt'ri5 PrrRPA. g Boardman"E $ JimBrktger.' Mid{. Srm $/wh Slso Szm Source: I R. Alphin E (hibit 10 t* AtbchrEnt 2 - Response to Sinrplods Request l{o. ,,3,2L]:3;,t{et plant' * .1g for Capacity; ResponsetoSimplot's ReguestlS.5(d),annual retlrncrequirennntis 1816of capital Cosq Production Expense' and 'Net Generation,, 2013 FERC Forrn I O. DR. READTNG, ] DO RESOURCES IN YOUR CHART 1. FLOWS, IDAHO POWER'S HYDRO NOT SEE IDAHO POWERIS HYDRO SINCE, DEPENDING ON STREAM RESOURCES MAKE UP HALF OF THE 193 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 l_0 11 L2 13 !4 15 16 77 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 the Company's lowest cost resource with rate base and very low variable running depending on stream flow / a depreciated cost. AIso, Reading, Di 1-5a Simplot /Clearwater 794 1 2 3 5 A 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 76 T7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 1,6 Simplot /Clearwater condj-tions the capacity factors will vary significantly from year to year, and that woul-d in turn cause the cost on a per MWh basis to also vary significantly. So the year picked for the analysis could be misleading. Due the above factors I felt looking at thermal resources along with the market price would be a more reasonabl-e comparison. O. ARE THERE ANY OTHER REASONS TO EXCLUDE HYDRO RESOURCES FROM YOUR ANALYSIS? A. Yes. Idaho Power has been 1n the process of relicensing its Hell-s Canyon Complex ("HCC" ) f or wel-l- over a decade. It appears that the capital and variable costs associated with the massive environmental- remediation associated with that rel-icensing will dramatically change the economics of the Company's hydro resources as a whole and not just the costs assocj-ated with the HCC. The final cost of rel-icensing HCC wonrt be known for years; therefore it would be speculative for me to inc]ude the unknowable i-ncreased costs of the Company's hydro resources in my analysis. O. DO THE OTHER TWO UTILITIES IN THIS CASE SUPPORT COMPARING THE PRICE OF PURPA RESOURCES TO THE M]D-C PRICES THAT DO NOT INCLUDE THE CONSIDERAT]ON OE CAPACITY COSTS? A. f don't know about Avista, but PacifiCorp has 795 1 2 3 stated in Washington Utilities and Transportation Commission (WUTC) cases that it is inappropriate to make the comparison of PURPA resources with the Mid-C market prices. I have provided as Exhibit No. 204 excerpts of the testimony of Gregory Duvall- before the WUTC in recent general rate cases. PacifiCorp witness Gregory Duva1l states, Readlng, Di L6a Simplot/Clearwater 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 76 77 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 796 I 9 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 l2 13 l4 15 16 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di \1 Simplot /Clearwater The incl-usion of capacity palanents in avoided costs indicates that market prices aLone are not equivalent to avoided cost prices.S And the same PacifiCorp witness in a later WUTC docket stated, If avoided cost prices are greater than market prices years after the PPA was signed, it does not mean that the avoided cost prices in the QF PPA are excessjve or otherwise vioJate PURPA's strict requirements. PURPA requires that the prices paid to QFs be equal to a utiTity's avoided cost of energy and capacity. Each state has an approved method for calcul-ating these avoided costs, and the resulting prices are heaviTy scrutinized and ultimately approved by the respective reguJatory commissions. The avoided cost caLcuLation is intended to ensure that customers are indifferent to QF generation, i.e., that the price paid to the QF is the same as the price the util-ity wouLd otherwise incur it it was generating the el-ectricity itseTf. Comparing QF PPA prices for a singTe test year to the variabLe cost of market purchases or the Company's existing resources is insufficient to determine whether QF prices are reasonabl-e and prudent from a ratemaking 791 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 L6 L1 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di L7a Simplot /Cl-earwater standPoint. 9 Subsequently, Mr. Duval-I further testified: Eirst, simpTy relying on market prices does not refLect Pacific Power's actual- avoided costs as determined by the Commissjon because it faiLs to account for the impact of a QF on the Company's existing resources or the QF's abiLity to defer 8 uxhibit No. 204 at 1"1 (containing the Rebuttal Testimony of Gregory Duval-f, WUTC Docket UE-130043, August 2, 20L3, p. 22) . 9 Exhibit No. 204 aL L'7 (containing Direct Testimony of Gregory Duvall-, V'IUTC Dockets UE-140'762, -1,40617, -131384, -1,40094, May, 201-4, p. 11). 198 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 !6 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 18 Simplot /Clearwater future capacity additions. PURPA requires the Company to purchase energy and capacity made avaif able by QFs.1o As PacifiCorp's witness, Mr. DuvaII testifies in its Washington jurisdiction that comparing market prices to PURPA resource prices is inappropriate and mj-sleading. O. IDAHO POWER CLAIMS THAT RATEPAYERS ARE HARMED V'IHEN THE COMPANY IS FORCED TO PURCHASE PURPA POWER WHEN IT 1S NOT NEEDED. DO YOU AGREE? A. No more or less than when ratepayers are "forced" to pay for the utilities' own generating resources when they are not needed. Company witness AIIphin presents a series of 24 separate graphs in his Exhibit No. 6 for the first week of each month for the years 20L6 and 2017. Each graph displaysr on an hourly basis, total system load along with the Company's "must-run" resources, "must-take" non-PURPA PPArs, along with "must-take" PURPA resources. The "must-run" Company-owned facilities are their hydro and coal generation units at their minimum operational l-evels that cannot be backed down further for environmental reasons for hydro resources, or shut down for coal- generation unj-ts. Market purchases and sales are excluded from the Exhibit's graphs. O. WHAT IS THE ]DAHO POWER W]TNESS ATTEMPTING TO 799 8 9 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 11 L2 t_3 74 15 76 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 1Ba Simplot /Clearwater DEMONSTRATE WITH THE SERIES OF 24 GRAPHS? A. Again, Idaho Power j-s telling only half of the story. According to Mr. Allphin's testimony, This analysis shows the frequency with which ldaho Power's system, when in a state where it cannot be backed down any further, will- have qeneration tesources 10 uxnilit No. 204 at 25-26 (containing Rebuttal Testimony of Gregory Duval-l-, WUTC Dockets UE-140'1 62, -140617, -!40094, November, 2014, p. 14-15 ) . 800 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 T6 t7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 in excess of its system Load. This wi77 put the system into an imbalanced, ovet-generation state unl.ess some remedial- actions are taken to balance the system. If remediaT actions are not avaiTable, or not employed in a timely manner, then the Company can have system reliabiJ-ity vioTations, events, and/or outages and damage.ll An examination of the monthly graphs over the two-year period j-ndicates, as one would expect, a mix of relatj-onshj-ps among the Company's load patterns over the 24 months considered, and the output of the power supply depicted, indicating both an over and under supply of power in various months. O. COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC AND PROVIDE EXAMPLES EOR THE 24 GRAPHS THAT IND]CATE THE OVER AND UNDER SUPPLY OE POWER ON ]DAHO POV{ERIS SYSTEM RELATIVE TO THE SYSTEMS LOADS? A. I have selected two months as examples that are at the ends of the spectrum of when the graphs j-ndj-cate first an oversupply relative to l-oads and second when the situation is reversed and there is an undersupply. The two example months are April and August of 2076 and indicate there are times when both the Company-owned resources and PURPA power contribute to filling part of Reading, Di 19 Simplot /Clearwater 801 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 74 15 76 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 19a Simplot /Clearwater the gap when output is Iess than load and other times when the Company's own "must-run" resources al-one are producing power greater than system load needs. O. COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN USING THE APRIL 2016 GRAPH FOUND ON PAGE 5 OF 12 OE MR. ALLPHINIS EXHIBIT NO. 6? A. Below is copy of the April 20L6 Graph included in Mr. Allphin's testimony. 11 Direct Testimony of Randy Allphin, Idaho Power, IPUC Case No. IPC-E-15-01, pp. 9-10. 802 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 Y 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 L6 t1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 ldaho Power Forccasted Load vs. Forecasted Must Run or Take Generation (MW) rc MW ofPuRPA Solr PURPA$h undarcont&t PWA.rcl!dry Und .nd $1, - rEo w& Mun T.h PPA! lEoMul{un Ganardon (Hydroed 265 W ot Co.l) -lrco LoJ Foracst AF{,P[ A!.5,4$ Fl6ttl&elof the Mmth As can be seen in the above graph for April, when loads are relatively 1ow, system l-oads are l-ess than both the "must runrr Idaho Power generation units as well as PURPA resources. This woul-d mean that Idaho Power's "must run" unj-ts are contributing aLone to the "system reliability viol-ations, events, and/or outages and damage" unless remedial action is taken in a timely manner, even if there is no PURPA power being produced. o. cou],D You PLEASE EXPLAIN THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTURM, AUGUST 2076 WHEN BOTH IDAHO POWER'S RESOURCES AT ''MUST-RUN'' AND PURPA RESOUSES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO Reading, Di 20 Simplot /Cfearwater 803 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 16 L7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 MEET THE SYSTEMS LOADS? A. As can be seen bel-ow in a copy of Mr. Allphin's graph for August 201,6, that is predicted to be a relativlty high load month. In this graph, Idaho Powerrs "must run" resources and PURPA are significantly below system loads. Reading, Di 20a Simplot/Clearwater 804 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 l6 l1 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Readlng, Di 2l Simplot /Clearwater l&ho FourcrFqecastedtnd ys. Foreccidlirst Rrrror Eh C€nerdon(frwl 13rudma*md IirtAS.L6a-ffi -lrcAw Im^-*"{[Wd*. IEU&kI*.FAt ' Ele€-ard..!(l#E.d 2aa fl ct€cd, -BHt€ . r-.,,.;1r.. .. 514 ,q\8 F|sthctoadf, faotdt This means PURPA generation is contrj-buting to the Company's system load demands just as Idaho Power's Company-owned resources are. The other monthly first week graphs display a mix of over and under generation during certain hours over the first week of each month. o. Do You HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS ABOUT IDAHO POWER'S EXH]B]T NO. 6? Yes, for the casuaf observer, si-nce PURPA, other PPAs and Company-owned resources are all defined as "must run" in the Exhibit No. 6, PURPA could just as easily be displayed along the horizontal axis first with the 805 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 T2 13 L4 15 76 L7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 utility-owned resources on top. This could l-ead one to assume the Company-owned resources are the problem of Idaho Power being "forced" to receive power when it is not needed, not PURPA resources. The graph below uses the same data for April 2016 as used by in Exhibit No. 6 and only reorders how the resources are displayed in the graph. Reading, Di 2La Simplot /Clearwater 806 1 2 3 4 5 6 't I 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 76 t1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 ldeho PowerForecastedLoadvs. Forecasted Must Run or Tah Generatim (Mwl E tiv!?tJnE.nrT.e1 ;d,!r . g i!5 !J 1! si ao. r g, Vlt.it-'t?.S.: .Jtrt bti rsrel* :.::.nB &. i!$ *-{trl : *eE.ltsnl. {!i -,toudt.!.*r M3,Dta S.pla FirstWr.lotih" Month As can be seen, reversing the display of the various resources causes it to appear that Idaho Power's "must-run" resources are the source of oversupply, not PURPA. In truth, al-l- of the resources are aII part of the same power supply system and contribute to over and undersupply at any poi-nt in time. O. ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT COMPANY-OWNED RESOURCES AND PURPA RESOUCES ARE THE SAME THING? A. No. There are important differences depending on the type of resource, and both impose different risks and provide benefits for ratepayers under different Ioad Reading, Di 22 Simplot/Clearwater 807 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 16 t1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 and resource and power market conditions. The off-system price of power is currently relatively Iow, and the Northwest currentl-y has a surplus of power. However, history shows that power market prices in the Northwest have been volatile and power surpluses and deficits can change quickly. One thing that is certain is there wil-l- be ups and downs in the future, and the current situation will not stay the same as today over the next 20 years. Reading, Di 22a Simplot /Clearwater 808 1 2 3 4 tr 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 76 t1 18 79 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 23 S implot /Clearwater O. CAN YOU PROVIDB AN EXAMPLE OE WHAT YOU MEAN BY SAYING THERE CAN SOMETIMES BE RAPID CHANGES ]N POWER MARKETS? A. The most dramatic swing in market prices for power in the Northwest in the recent past is the so-cal-led "Enron mel-tdown" when Mid-C prices got as high as $677 per MWh in June of 2000 on a daily basis.12 At the same time, due to a variety of causes, utilities were facing power shortages. With the then-dramatic swings as background, the Commissj-on issued Order No. 29029 quoted above and increased the length of PURPA contracts to 20 years from five years and raised the eligibility cap for published rates.13 O. WHAT OTHER ACTIONS DID THE COMMISSION UNDERTAKE IN TH]S VOLATILE MARKET TIME ERAME? A. The Commission, j-n July of 2001, approved a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity (CPCN) for Idaho Power's peaking facility, the Mountain Home Generation Station (Danskin). In its decision the Commission said, We note that the procedure foLLowed in this case has l-inited the tpe and extent of review that would otherwise occur in a certificate fiTing. The price of power on the spot market, the shortage of water for hydro qeneration and the Company's 809 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 L2 1_3 L4 15 t6 L1 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 23a Simplot /Cl-earwater projected inabiTity to serve native Toad requirements with Company qeneration and contract suppTies have al-l- joined to create the unique factuaL situation presented and have aLso fashioned the particular reguLatory treatment requested by the Company. 12 https : //www.nwcouncil. org.Appendix C El-ectricitv Price Forecast .pdf. 13 rpuc order No. 29029, at p. 1. 810 2 3 4 5 6 7 U 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 76 L1 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 hle are convinced that the volatility of the eLectric spot market created a situation that justified a deviation from the Company's 2000 IRP and its actions in deveToping pTans for the Mountain Home Station.T4 Faced with the upheaval in the powgr markets at this time, the Commission reacted by increasing the length of PURPA contracts to 20 years and approving a peaking plant that was not included in Idaho Power's Near-Term Acti-on PIan in its 2000 IRP. The point of the above example is that over a time period of a just a few years unforeseen circumstances can significantly impact market conditions for both supply and price. Current power market conditions today have no guarantee they will- remain the same over a 2O-year period. O. COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLA]N FURTHER WHAT YOU MEAN BY SAY]NG BOTH UTILITY-OWNED RESOURCES AND PURPA RESOURCES HAVE D]FFERENT R]SKS AND BENEFITS EOR RATEPAYERS? A. Utility-owned resources and PURPA supply costs impact ratepayers in different ways. A PURPA project will only get paid when it supplies power to the utility. On the other hand, with a rate-based, utility-owned resource, the capital portion of the plant is rol-l-ed in customer rates even if the facility 1s idle. This means Reading, Di 24 Simplot /Cl-earwater 811 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 r-3 L4 15 76 71 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 24a Simplot/Cl-earwater for a utility-owned resource the capacity costs are factored into retail- rates on a per-MWh basis, and they can vary significantly as the capacity costs of the facility are spread over higher and lower power output. For a PURPA resource, the capital portion of the price is included in the levelized dollars per MWh, and ratepayers are charged only when the facility provides power. 14 tpuc order No. 28773, at pp. 1,L-12. 8!2 1 2 3 6 1 o 9 10 11_ t2 13 74 15 L6 L1 18 19 20 21, 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 25 Simplot /Clearwater Idaho Power says it 1s concerned that as QF contracts get longer there is increased risk and potential harm to ratepayers, without recognizing thej-r own resources l-ock in ratepayers as wel-l- to pay for their own generating resources. The Commission Staff asked Idaho Power; REQUEST NO. 18: On page 22, the Petition states that ". . . the risk and potentiaf harm increases, the Tonger the price estimates are locked in." Does Idaho Power beJ-ieve long-term, Tocked-in price estimates coul-d potentiaTTy benefit ldaho Power in some circumstances? RESPONSE TO REQUES? AIO. 78: IVo.15 What Idaho Power is failing to acknowledge is that their own plants are al-so "l-ocked in" for ratepayers for the plant l-ife that is 20 or more years. A. DOES TH]S EXAMPLE DEMONSTRATE ANY OTHER POINTS? A. The above example also points out that PURPA projects, even those with 20-year contracts, do provide a risk hedge and a benefit to ratepayers. PacifiCorp's witness Mr. Duval-l- agrees with this point and has testified at length before the Washington Commission regarding the extensive benefits of PURPA projects: In addition to providing the capacity benefits discussed above, the out-of-state QFs provide 813 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 1,6 t7 18 l_9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 25a Simplot/Clearwater significant benefits because they are renewabTe, emis s ion-f ree generatots . **** Emission-free resources may act as a hedge against future carbon regulation, the exact nature of which is currently unknown. In fact, the 15 Idaho Power's Response to IPUC Staff Production Request No. 18. 814 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 6 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Readj-ng, Di 26 S implot /Clearwater Commission has acknowfedged that future carbon reguTation may have a significant impact on the Company's operations. The out-of-state QFs, l-ike alf of the Company's renewabLe resources, wiLl- heTp to nitigate that impact.t6 O. ARE THERE OTHER WAYS THAT PURPA POWER PROJECTS CAN LOWER RISKS FOR RATEPAYERS THAT UT]LITY-OWNED RESOURCES DON'T? A. In addition to not requiring ratepayers to pay for the capital portion of undelj-vered electriclty, PURPA resources avoid the fuel cost risks ratepayers face from a utility's own resources. Al-1 three utilities that are part of thls case have some form of a power cost adjustment mechanism that, oD an annual basis, alIows them to recover the malority of their net power supply expenses. This means the utility is able to pass onto ratepayers any fl-uctuations in the costs of their fuel- supplies so that it i-s the ratepayer, not the utility, that assumes the risk. O. THE THREE INVESTOR OWNED UT]LITIES ALL ARE PROPOSING TO SHORTEN THE CONTRACT LENGTH FOR ALL PURPA PROJECTS ABOVE THE ELIGIB]LITY RATE CAP, IDAHO POWER FOR TWO YEARS AND ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER THREE YEARS. AVISTA RECOMMENDS F]VE YEARS AND BEL]EVES ]F A VERY EAVORABLE OPPORTUNTTY WAS PRESENTED TO THE UTILITY IT SHOULD HAVE 815 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 !4 15 L6 1_7 1B 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 26a S implot /Clearwater AN OPT]ON EOR A LONGER CONTRACT.IT DO YOU AGREE W]TH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE UTILITIES? 16 uxninit No. 204 aL 28-29 (containing Rebuttal- Testimony of Gregory Duvall-, WUTC Dockets UE-140162, -740671, -131384, -L40094, November, 20]-4, p. 17-18). 17 Direct Testimony of Clint Kalj-ch, Avista Corporation, February 27, 2015, AVU-E-15-01, p. 3. 816 ] 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 77 18 79 20 27 22 23 24 25 Readi-ng, Di 27 Simplot /Clearwater A. The Companies are advocating an unreasonably overbroad approach by treating all types of PURPA resources the same. Limiting the contract length will cause al-l- types of PURPA projects to become uneconomic due to the inability to obtain financi-ng, not just "wind and solar. " The Idaho Commission has establ-ished precedent for setting different terms and condj-tions for different types of PURPA projects. Recently, in Case No. GNR-E-10-04 the Commission l-owered the eligibility cap for wind and sol-ar to 100 kW while leaving the higher 10 average monthly MW cap for al-I other project types. The Commission's rationale for doing so was that wind and solar resources have unique characteristics not found in other types of PURPA QFs. Based upon the record, the Commission finds that a convincing case has been made to temporariTy reduce the eTigibility cap for pubTished avoided cost rates from 70 aMW to 100 kW for wind and sol-ar onTy whiTe the Commission further investigates the inplications of disaggregated QF projects. We maintain the eligibiTity cap at 70aMW for QF projects other than wind and soJ-ar (including but not fimited to biomass, sma77 hydro/ cogeneration, geothermaJ-, and waste-to-energy). The Petitioners have not convinced us that lowering the eLigibility cap for 817 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 16 L7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 27a Simplot/Clearwater these other QF technoTogies is necessary or in the pubTic interest. Wind and solar resources present unique characteristics that differentiate them from other PURPA QFs. Wind and soLar generation, integration, capacity and abiTity to disaggregate provide a basis for distinguishing the eTigibiTity cap for wind and sol-ar from other resources.18 18 rpuc order No. 32L16, at p. 9. 818 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 U 9 10 11 L2 r_3 t4 15 76 t1 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Readj-ng, Di 28 Simplot /Clearwater Currently, the three utiLities have posted different published avoided cost rates for different resource types. Each of the utilities recognizes QFs have different defining characteristics. O. BOTH CLEARWATER AND SIMPLOT CURRENTLY HAVE COGENERATION PROJECTS. DO YOU BEL]EVE THEY HAVE CHARACTERISTICS THAT DISTINGUISH THEM FROM WIND AND SOLAR AS WELL AS OTHER PROJECTS? A. Cogeneration projects have "unique characteristics" that are distinct from other types of PURPA projects. They are more fuel- efficient than tradltional- generation and support a stronger economy. EERC defines a cogeneration facility as, A cogeneration faciJ-ity is a generating faciTity that sequentiaTTy produces el-ectricity and another form of useful- thernaJ- energy (such as heat or steam) in a way that :.s more efficient than the separate production of both forms of energy. For exampTe, in addition to the production of el-ectricity, Targe cogeneration faciLities night provide steam for industrial- uses in faciTities such as paper nil-Ls, ref ineries , or factoties, or for HVAC appJications in commercial- or residential buiTdings -L9 FERC regulations also exempt cogeneration QFs from the 80 819 L 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 1.2 13 L4 15 L6 t1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 MW cap imposed on other types of qualifying facilities, and FERC has stated that, 1 t http : / /www. f erc . gov,/industries /electri c/ gen-inf o,/qual- f ac / what-is. asp Reading, Di 28a Simplot/Cl-earwater 820 I 2 3 4 q 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 L6 !1 18 79 20 21 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 29 Simplot /Cl-earwater Cogeneration facil-ities can use significantTy Tess fuef to produce eLectric energy and steam (or other forms of energy) than woul-d be needed to produce the two seParatef7.20 According to an fowa State University doctoral dj-ssertation, o. Cogeneration has a fuel- efficiency of 808 to 90 I compared to the 338 fuel- efficiency of conventionaL efectricity generation units.2l YOU STATED ABOVE THAT COGENERAT]ON SUPPORTS A STRONGER ECONOMY. WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? A. Cogeneration supports the economic viability of Idaho industrial- f acilities. While this is not l-inked directly to a utility's avoided cost, it contributes to the strength of Idaho's economy and employment, which in turn helps make a stronger utility. AIso, cogeneration facilities produce electric power without using additional fuel or contributing additional- pollution, which also benefits society. Cogeneration represents one of the most effective approaches to energy conservation, because it produces two types of energy at once el-ectric power and thermal energy. Conventional- thermal power generators typically range from 33% to 50% efficient, with coal- plants in the lower end of the range and combined cycle gas plants in the upper range. They 827 1 2 3 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 t6 L7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 essentially waste between 402 to 612 of the fuel- energy whereas cogeneration facilities can achieve efficiencj-es of 803. On top of that, cogeneratlon facil-ities make the host manufacturing plant more financially secure with all the attendant societal benefits 20 faRC order 688, Docket RMO6-010, at p. 1,4 (oct. 20, 2006). 21 The Economic and Environmental- Performance of Cogeneration under the Public Utility Regulatory Policies Act, DanieJ-, Shantha E., Iowa State University, 2009, p. 4. Reading, Di 29a S implot /Clearwater 822 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 l4 15 1,6 l7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Readi-ng, Di 30 Simplot /Cl-earwater of having a more robust economy. Cogeneration al-so significantly reduces carbon emissions, reduces business costs, relieves grid congestion and improves energy security. O. ARE THERE OTHER CONSIDERAT]ONS RELATED TO THE BENEFITS OE COGENERATION IN THE CONTEXT OE THIS PARTICULAR CASE? A. Yes. As I noted earlj-er, Idaho Powerrs petition primarily points to a problem of oversupply of generation that is occurring during certain times of the year as a resul-t of j-ntermittent and relatively unpredictable PURPA output from wind and solar projects. Cogeneration QFs are base-load resources that do not provide intermittent deliveries, and their output should be more easily predicted and managed during these over-supply periods. O. WHAT IS THE POSITION OE THE THREE UTIL]TIES RELATTNG TO THE PURPA PROJECTS PROPOSED IN THE]R RESPECT]VE SERVICE TERRITORIES? A. The perceived "flood" of PURPA projects varj-es among the three utilities. ldaho Power states the Company currentfy has 461 MW of PURPA solar capacity under contract with an additional- 885 MW in the queue actively seeking power safes agreemenls.22 Rocky Mountain Power states it has had an "exponential increase in PURPA 823 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 t1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 30a Simplot/Cl-earwater contract requests" consisting of 97 projects totaling 1,553 MW in the last two years throughout its multi-state Slstem.23 O. WHAT IS AVISTAIS POSITION WTTH REGARD TO QFS SEEKING PURPA CONTRACTS ]N ITS SERV]CE TERRITORY? 22 ldaho Power's Petition, IPUC Case No. IPC-E-15-01, p. 18.23 Rocky Mountain Powerrs Petitj-on, lPUC Case No. PAC-E-15-03, p. 19. 824 1 ) 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 16 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 31 Simplot/Clearwater A. While Avista j-s not claiming there is a torrent of PURPA projects in its service territory, its concern is if a neighboring utility such as Idaho Power offers only five-year contacts "sophisticated and motivated PURPA developers" wil-I seek longer term contracts by wheeling the QE output to Avista.24 Avista advocates for the ability to contract for PURPA projects with terms Ionger than five years in the event of a very favorabl-e PURPA opportunity.zs Avista, however, does not offer specifics on what a "very favorable PURPA opportunity" means, and it does not state that it supports continuing 2O-year QF contracts for projects subject to the IRP methodology. O. DO YOU AGREE W]TH AVISTAIS POSITION THAT UTILITIES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO NEGOTIATE A TERM LONGER THAN THE COMMISSION-AUTHORIZED TERM? A. Yes. Under the Commission's long-standing rules, utilities have always been allowed to negotiate a term longer than the Commission-approved contract length. I agree that regardless of the outcome of this proceedj-ng the utility and the QF should be al1owed to agree to a Ionger term under the appropriate circumstances. O. DOES AVISTA PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE THAT ANY QFS HAVE TRIED TO WHEEL THEIR OUTPUT TO SELL IT TO AVISTA, GIVEN THE OVERSUPPLY PROBLEM ON IDAHO POWERIS SYSTEM? B2s 2 3 5 6 '7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 t7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 A. No. Avista provides no tried to whee1 its power to Avista off-system. Avista only points to by Kootenai El-ectric Cooperative, wheel- its output away from Avista evidence any QF has to sell to it from a single QE, operated Inc., that sought to and to Idaho Power. 24 DirecL Testimony of Cfint Kalich, No. AVU-E-15-01, p.5. 25 ta. at pp . 2-3. Avista Corporation, IPUC Case Reading, Di 3la Simplot /Clearwater 826 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 16 71 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 32 Simplot /Clearwater O. DOES AVISTA PROVIDE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE LARGE NUMBER OF PROSPECTTVE SOLAR QFS DTSCUSSED IN IDAHO POWER'S PETITION MAY SEEK TO SELL TO AVISTA INSTEAD? A. No. Avista's avoided costs for sofar resources are lower than Idaho Power's avoided costs for sol-ar resources because Avista has a different load profile that does not lend itself to hj-gh avoided costs for solar output. Avista's published rates for sofar projects are currently set at $49.7 7 per MWh on a 2)-year levelized basis for an onl-ine date in 2016, while Idaho Power's comparable rate for a 20L6 online year is $66.85 per MWh. I woul-d expect the IRP methodology rates may well be lower than the $49.7 7 per MWh amount, plus the off-system solar QF would need to pay to wheel- the output to Avista. There is no reason to believe sol-ar QFs would be abl-e to rely on the economics of those l-ow rates to finance a solar QE. o. IDAHO POWER, AS YOU POTNTED OUT ABOVE, STATES IT HAS 461 MW OE PURPA SOLAR CAPAC]Y UNDER CONTRACT AND AN ADDITIONAL 885 MW ]N THE QUEUE TO BE ON-LINE IN 2016. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO THE PROBABILITY THAT ALL THOSE QF PROJECTS W]LL ACTUALLY BE CONSTRUCTED? A. In Response No. 2 to the Idaho Conservation League and Sierra Club's First Production Request Idaho 827 1 2 3 4 5 6 B 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 76 77 18 19 20 21, 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 32a Simplot/Cl-earwater Power stated, As of the date of the response to th:.s Request, 380 megawatts ("Mhl") of the 527 Mbl of QFs under contract, but not yet on-7ine, are in compLiance with their respective agreernents; therefore/ Idaho Power has no reason to assume they wiLl not come on-Line as stated in their agreements. To date, 141 Mhl of the 527 828 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 t6 L7 18 l9 20 21 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 33 S implot /Clearwater MW are not in compJiance with their respective QF agreements and Idaho Power is taking the appropriate actions as a7l-owed within those agreements.26 Based on a copy of a letter provided to me by the developer, Idaho Power has now terminated the four projects with 141 MW of capacity, Clark Sol-ar 1 through 4. I have provided a copy of this letter as Exhibit No. 205. This means more than one-fourth of the capacity of the signed QE contracts due to come on line in 2076 have had their contracts terminated. At this point, the status of the others under contract is uncertain. The projects that do not have executed contracts appear to be unlikely to ever obtain a contract or be developed in the near future. Under Idaho Power's Schedule 73, a developer must only provide basic project information in writing to receive indicative pri-cing, and must provide a few additional items, such as proof of site control over the property underlying the project, in order to obtain a draft contract. In response to Simplot Production Request No. 4, Idaho Power indicates, of the 48 PURPA projects that comprj-se the 885 MW in the queue requesting pricing or contracts, only one of the proposed projects has provided sufficient information to receive a draft energy sales agreement and 6LZ of the Idaho projects have fail-ed to provide enough information to 829 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 1_5 L6 71 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 33a Simplot /Cl-earwater receive indicative pricing. Idaho Power has provided no documents supporting an assertion that most of these projects provided anything more than a simple inquiry through a telephone call. In addition, if any of the solar projects fail to be on-l-ine before the end of 2076, the investment tax credits for capital costs wil-l- drop from 30% to 102. Thus, there is 26 Idaho Power's Response to Idaho Conservation League,/Sierra Cl-ub Production Request No. 4. 830 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 71 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 34 Simplot /Clearwater suffi-cient evidence to doubt that the volume of solar projects claimed by Idaho Power wil-l- actually be producing electricity by the end of 2016, rf ever. O. ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES FOUND IN ANY OF THE UTILITIES' FILINGS? A. Yes. Rocky Mountain Power proposes to change the lRP methodology to better respond to a large infl-ux of QFs. Rocky Mountain Power stated they are seeking the Commj-ssion to approve, Modification of the Company's avoided cost methodology such that preparation of indicative pricing for QFs refTects al-l- active QF projects in the pricinq queue ahead of any newly proposed QF requests for indicative pricing.2T O. DO YOU AGREE WITH ROCKY MOUNTAIN POWER THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER REV]SIONS TO THE AVO]DED COST PRICING METHODOLOGY? A. Yes. Eor the reasons I will explain further below, it would be appropriate to address the avoided cost pricing methodology if the util-ities have truly demonstrated that there is an oversupply problem. However, unlike Rocky Mountain Power, I believe that adjusting the pri-cing methodology to send accurate price signals is the only step that needs to be taken to rectify any problems with Idaho's implementation of 831 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 l1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 34a Simplot /Clearwater PURPA. O. HAVE THERE BEEN SOME OTHER CHANGES IN THE METHOD TO FIND AVOIDED COST SINCE THE COMMISSTON ]SSUED rTS ORDER rN GNR-E-11-03, THE CASE THAT APPROVED THE CURRENT METHOD? A. Yes. When Idaho Power filed with the Commission its PURPA contracts with Boise City Solar (IPC-E-14-20) and Grand View PV Solar Two (IPC-E-14-19) the Commission 27 Rocky Mounatain Powerrs Petition, IPUC Case Nol-. PAC-E-15-03, p. 4. 832 3 4 5 6 't I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 71 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 35 Simplot /Clearwater Staff fil-ed Comments stating they were correcting some "errors" caused by the simplifying assumption in Idaho Power's single-run method approved by the Commission. Staff then recalcul-ated the rates offered by Idaho Power for the two contracts.23 The two projects decided to accept the l-ower rates based on Staff's methodological changes that were subsequently corrected by Idaho Power. Rocky Mountain Power's suggestion to update the resource stack more quickly to respond to large influxes of QFs may also be approprlate. O. IDAHO POWER ASSERTS THAT IT HAS AN OVER-SUPPLY PROBLEM DUR]NG CERTAIN T]MES THAT CAUSES IT TO SELL PURPA POWER ON THE MARKET AT AN ECONOMIC LOSS. DO YOU KNOI/I OE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AVOIDED COST METHODOLOGY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE EXAMINED? A. Idaho Power is describing a situation where the actual avoided costs during certain ti-me frames may be negative because the Company states j-t woul-d incur an economic loss by accepting the QF power. The Commission's Staff Production Request No. l-4 asked if Idaho Power's single-run IRP methodology accounts for such instances by assuming excess PURPA generation wil-l- be sol-d at a l-oss, and thus lower the overal-l- average avoided cost over the term of the contract. The Company responded, 833 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 1trIJ 76 t7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 35a Simplot /Clearwater Within the Incremental Cost IRP Methodology (IRP nethodoTogy) the hourly price is assiqned based on the highest increment cost displaceabl-e generation resource operating in that hour. The dispJaceabJ-e resources being ldaho Power-owned qeneration, incfuding any must-run l-imitations and ldaho Power market 28 LPUC staff comments, 31, 2014) . IPUC Case No. IPC-E-14-20, p. 5 (filed Oct., 834 1 2 3 4 5 5 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 16 L7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 purchases. If there are no displaceabl-e tesources avaiTabTe in a specific hour, the energy rate is set to $0 in that hour. The methodoToqy does not assume excess PURPA qeneration will be soTd at a f oss -29 o. A. HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE COMPANYIS RESPONSE? Idaho Power indicated that the single-run methodology does not address the circumstance where the avoided costs are negative due to uneconomic off-system safes during the over-supply event, and instead assigns an avoided cost of zero when the actuaL avoided cost is negative. O. WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF CHANGING THE METHODOLOGY SO THAT IT COULD ACCOUNT FOR NEGATIVE AVOIDED COSTS? A. The average avoided cost offered to the QF would incorporate these j-nstances of negatj-ve avoided costs, and the instance of negative avoided costs would cause the overal-l average rate cal-culated over the term of the agreement to be l-ower. O. WHAT WOULD BE THE REAL_WORLD IMPACT OE A LOWER OVERALL AVOIDED COST ASSOCIATED W]TH THE INSTANCES OF NEGATIVE AVOIDED COSTS? A. The impact wou1d be that the IRP methodology rates offered to prospective QFs would be lower. That Reading, Di 36 S implot /Clearwater 835 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 !4 15 16 77 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 36a Simplot/Clearwater lower price signal wou1d, based on that QF's projected output profile, determine whether the project could be economically developed. In this example, I would expect that a fower avoided cost rate would have the impact of deterring PURPA development. 29 Idaho Power's Response to IPUC Staffrs Production Request No. 18. 836 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 76 l7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Di 3'7 Simplot /Clearwater O. ]N YOUR OPINION, IS AN ACCURATE PRICE SIGNAL A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS THE ALLEGED PURPA PROBLEM IDAHO POWER TDENTIF]ED THAN A SHORTER CONTRACT TERM? A. Yes. O. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE LIMITATIONS OE THE CURRENT S]NGLE_RUN METHODOLOGY? A. The prior double-run methodol-ogy would have accurately taken into account the instances where off-system sal-es caused the avoided costs to be negative, and in my opinion woul-d send more accurate price signals. O. YOU HAVE JUST D]SCUSSED POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OR COULD BE MADE TO THE CALCULATION OF AVOIDED COSTS. ARE YOU RECOMMENDING ANY OF THESE CHANGES BE MADE AND APPROVED BY THE COMM]SS]ON? A. No, not without considering other potential adjustments to send accurate price signals. In a fully litigated case deal-ing with avoided cost methodologies, there woul-d no doubt be changes to the method of calculating avoided costs that wouLd cause resulti-ng increases and decreases to QF prices offered by the util-ities. What I am suggesting is that correct pricing should be used rather than an arbitrarily short contract length that wi1l, oD its own, discourage PURPA development. If the price is not sufficient to make a project profitable at the utility's avoided costs, the 837 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 16 77 18 79 20 2t 22 2a 24 25 length of the contract is irrel-evant and projects will not be bui1t. The key is to properly price the avoided costs at the utility's avoided costs. This is what PURPA was intended to do and will- only encourage projects when they meet a threshold price of the project being economical. Reading, Di 37a Simplot/Clearwater 838 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L6 t7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 O. WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS EOR THE COMMTSSION? A. Because limiting the term of contracts to five years or less wil-I essentially eliminate a1l- types of PURPA projects includj-ng those that are envj-ronmentally sound, fuel- efficient, and contribute to the economy of the state, I recommend the Commission maintain the current 2l-year contract length for QFs eligible for the fRP methodology, or at a mj-nimum for all- non-intermittent QFs. If adjustments need to be made to the Commission's implementatj-on of PURPA, they should be made through the calculation of avoided cost rates and not arbitrarily limiting the term of the contract to a length that is intentionally designed to prohibit financing or otherwise ensure that no QE receives capacity payments. o. DoES THrS END YOUR TESTIMONY AS OE APRIL 23, 20L5? A. Yes. 839 Reading, Di 38 Simplot /Clearwater 1 2 3 4 trJ 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 t1 18 79 20 27 23 24 25 Reading, Reply 2 S implot /Clearwater O. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BUS]NESS ADDRESS. A. My name is Don Reading and my business address is Ben Johnson Associates, 6010 Hill Road, Boise, Idaho. I am Vice President and Consulting Economist for Ben Johnson Associates. O. ARE YOU THE SAME DON READING WHO PREFILED DIRECT TESTIMONY IN THE CURRENT DOCKET ON APRTL 23RD, 20L5? A. Yes. O. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF YOU REPLAY TESTIMONY? A. The following Reply Testimony is to provide comments on the fntervenor testi-monies of Rick Sterling and Yao Yin of the Commission Staff (Staff), Adam Wenner and R. Thomas Beach for Idaho Conservation League and the Sj-erra Club (ICLISierra), Anthony J. Yankel for the Idaho Irrigation Pumpers Association (IIPA), John R. Lowe of the Renewabl-e Energy Coal-ition (Coalition), Ken Miller of the Snake River Alliance (SRA), and Mark Van Gulik of the Intermountain Energy Partners (IEP) Intervenors filed Direct Testimony Each of the above IN response to the petitions filed by Idaho Power Company (Idaho Power), Avista Corporation (Avista), and Rocky Mountain Power (RMP) (colIectlvely the "Utilities") asking the Idaho Publ-ic Utilitles Commission (Commission, IPUC) to modify the terms and conditions of Public Utility Regulatory 840 I 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 t6 t1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Pol-icies Act of 7978 (PURPA) contracts. Five of the seven non-util-ity parties including Simplot/Cl-earwater that filed di-rect testimony three weeks ago strongly urged the Commission not to shorten QF contract lengths from the current 20 years. The IIPA witness Tony Yankel proposed a Reading, Reply 2a Simplot /Clearwater 84L 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 t6 l1 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Reply 3 Simplot /Clearwater temporary two year contract length as a "stopgap" in order to allow time to correct errors he identified in the Commission's avoided cost model. The Commission Staff recommends maintaj-ning a 20 year contract length for PURPA projects that currentl-y qualify for SAR-based rates and a maximum five years for QEs subject to the IRP based rates. In our reply testimony, Simplot/Clearwater recommend a compromise proposal pertaining to PURPA contract length for QFs ineligible for standard rates. We propose that capacity and energy be treated slightly dj-fferently within the term of a 20-year contract. We recommend the Commission mai-ntain a 2)-year contract Iength with the capacity component of the rate fixed for the entire 2O-year term. However, as a compromise, the energy portion of the rate would only be fixed for the first 10 years of the contract. After the first 10 years, the energy component would be reca1cu1ated each year adhering to the Commission approved method for the remainj-ng term of the contract. Simplot/Cl-earwater still- bel-ieve the current 2O-year term, for reasons stated in my direct testimony, should be maintained. However, as descrlbed below, this al-ternative proposal- addresses some of the concerns of the other parties. O. YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THE ENERGY COMPONENT OF 842 THE 2O-YEAR CONTRACT BE UPDATED ANNUALLY OVER THE SECOND TEN YEARS. ARE THERE CURRENT PURPA CONTRACTS IN IDAHO THAT THE ENERGY PORT]ON IS UPDATED ANNUALLY? A. Yes. There are approximately 25 PURPA contracts that are adjusted periodically based on coal costs. The commission uses the vari-abl-e costs associated with the operation of Colstrip, a coal--fired generation facility located in southeast Montana, for an annual 2 3 4 5 6 7 U 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 16 17 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Rep1y 3a Simplot /Cl-earwater 843 adjustment of the adjustable portion of avoided costs for those contracts. These projects had their rates set using an older coaf SAR methodology. So there is ample precedent for adjusting PURPA contracLs on an annual- basis. O. Are YOU AWARE OF OTHER PURPA CONTRACTS APPROVED BY THE IDAHO COMMISSTON WHERE CAPAC]TY IS EIXED FOR THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT AND ENERGY IS ADJUSTED PER]ODICALLY? A. There are approximately 43 PURPA contracts tied to Idaho Power's Schedul-e 89 where the energy rate is adjusted when Net Power Supply Expenses (NPSE) are changed in the Company's base rates. For these projects the capacity component was fixed for the life of the contract, however the utility's variable costs, including fuel and variable operation and maintenance costs, are adjusted when these expenses change in the Company's base rates, most often in a general rate case filing. This approach was intended to minimize potential overpayments and underpayments. The Commission's rati-onal for establ-ishing these contracts was: Idaho Power appears particularTy sensjtive to f l-uctuations in avoided energy costs. ATTowing energy pagents derived from annuaL estimation of avoided costs may obLigate the Conpany to paymentsin excess of the actual- avoided costs. Conversely, annuaL estimates of avoided energy costs may aTso al-l-ow the QF too LittLe. UnderpaTrments are Likely to occur from this scheme during poor water years orduring nearly every year for those faciLitjes whoseproduction coincides with the months of high avoided 5 6 1 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 t6 l1 18 !9 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Reply 4 Simplot /Cl-earwater 844 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 1"4 15 16 t7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Reply 4a Simplot /Clearwater energy costs. In the Tong runt a policy based on Idaho Power's estimated avoided costs at delivery time reduces the financial risk to both the utiTity and the QF.l If the Companies were filing periodic rate cases or updates to base rates then the energy costs would be adjusted every few years. 1 Order No. 15745, Docket No. P-200-72. 845 1 2 3 5 6 7 o 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 16 l1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 Reading, Rep1y 5 Simplot /Cl-earwater O. YOU STATED ABOVE YOUR ALTERNATIVE PITOPOSAL ADDRESSES SOME OE THE CONCERNS OF THE OTHER P'\RTIES. COULD YOU PLEASE BE MORE SPECIFIC? A. The majority of the intervenors focused on the inabil-ity of a PURPA project to receive financing with shortened contracts on the one hand, and on the other hand the Util-ities and Staff focused on the risks ratepayers face from the utillties signing fi><ed-price Iong-term contracts. As I explained 1n my direct testimony, I do not agree with the latter contention of ratepayer risk, however the alternative proposal offered here addresses that issue by adjusting the energy component annually during the second ten years of the contract. o. You SAID MOST OF THE TNTERVENORS ARii CONCERNED ABOUT THE INABILITY OE PURPA PROJECTS TO OBTAIN FINANCING USING SHORT_TERM CONTRACTS. COULD YOU C]TE SOME EXAMPLES? A. Without repeating the logic used by the intervenors, the crux of their positions was made clear in their direct testimony. The shorter the contract length the more difficult it is to obtain financing for a PURPA project. Eor exampfe, "The consequence of a Commission order l-imitinq enerqy saLes agreements to two or five years woul-d be to bring any 846 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 1,6 77 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, RepIy 5a meaningful PURPA deveTopment in ldaho to a halt."2 The Renewable Energy Coalition witness John Lowe stated, " In addition, imposinq a poTicy change l-ike a shortened contract term on existing QFs coul-d have significant and unnecessary harm on these projects, the utiLitres, and ratepayers. l And, This need for long tetm assurance of capitaTrecovery is the same for QFs as it ls for a utiTitythat proposes to buiLd a new power pTant and seeks Commission 2 Direct Testimony of Mark Van Gul-ik, Intermountain Energy Partners, March 23, 2075, IPC-E-15-01, p. 2. 847 Simplot /Clearwater 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 t_5 76 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Reply 6 Simplot/Clearwater approval for Tong-term recovery of the plant's costs by including them in rate base. This history suggests that, without Tong-term/ 2)-year contracts, QFs wiLL not be deveToped in ldaho.3 The Commission Staff, while recommending five year contracts for IRP method based PURPA contracts, also acknowledged, O. But won't a five-year Linit on maximum contract Tength, if approved, Timit the ability of projects to obtain financing, thus making extensive project deveTopment unlikely? A. Yes, I agree that deveTopment wouLd Tikely sl-ow considerabJy, at Least under PIJRPA.4 Also Snake River Al-l-iance witness Ken Mil-l-er said, I think this application, if approved, wi77 cause further migration of soLar deveTopers away from Idaho, as the proposed reduction in contract terms to two years -r.s tantamount to a freeze on future solar PURPA projects.5 O. DR. READING, I REALIZE YOU ARE AN ECONOM]ST NOT A LAWYER, BUT DID ONE OF THE ]NTERVENORS BXPRESS SOME LEGAL CONCERNS ABOUT SHORTER CONTRACTS EAIL]NG TO MEET FERCIS PURPA REQUIREMENTS? A. Yes. ICL/Sierra witness Adam Wenner stated in his direct testimony, In the eLectric utility industry, and as djscussed in ny testimony, a two-year term fails to permit a QF to estimate, with reasonabl-e certainty, the expected return on its potential- investment in a QF,and wouLd frustrate the requirement of section 210 of PURPA that FERC's ruLesr ds impTemented by staLe commissions I encouraqe coqeneration and smal-7 power production.6 B4B 1 2 3 3 oirect Testimony of R. Thomas Beach, Idaho Conservation League and Sierra CIub, March 23, 20L5, IPC-E-15-01, p.10.4 oirect Testimony of Rick Ster]ing, Idaho PubIic Utilities Commission Staff, March 23, 20]-5, IPC-E-15-01, p. 8.5 Direct Testimony of Ken Miller, Snake River AII-iance, March 23, 2015, IPC-E-15-01-, p.10. 6 oirect Testimony of Adam Wernner, Idaho Conservation League and Sierra CIub, March 23, 20L5, IPC-E-15-0L, p. I0. Reading, Reply 6a 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 849 Simplot /Cl-earwater t- 2 3 4 q 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 76 L7 18 19 20 21, 22 23 24 25 Reading, Rep1y 7 S implot /Clearwater The al-ternative proposal offered here is aimed at finding a balance among the parties' concerns about a QF's ability to obtain financing, FERC's lega1 requirements under PURPA and the risks of longer term fixed contracts in an uncertain world. o. you JUST usED THE TERM "BALANCE" AMONG THE VARIOUS VIEWS OE THE PARTIES. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE YOUR ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL HELPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? A. The alternative proposal offered here maintains a fixed capacity component of the rate for the full 2)-year duration, whi-ch more closely matches the fixed capacity J-ength of a utility-built facility. A QE, under current Commission policy, does not receive capacity credlts until- the utilityrs IRP shows a capacity deficit, therefore putting a QF resource and a utility buil-t resource on relatively equal footing. The energy component, on the other hand, will be updated annually over the last ten years of the contract, reducing the perceived risk to ratepayers from fluctuating fuel costs. Because the contract length would remain at 20 years and have a fixed capacity component, it should give financiers an additional- sense of confidence and al-so addresses EERC's legal requirements. Of course the most important aspect of this compromise is the incorporation 850 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 o 9 10 11 t2 13 14 15 1,6 L7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Reply '7 a Simplot /Cl-earwater of a variable component for energy, the most volatile portion of a utility's avoided cost. O. YOU MENTIONED ABOVE YOU WANT TO ADDRESS, IN ADDITION TO YOUR PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE, A SPEC]FIC ASPECT OF A PARTY'S DIRECT TESTIMONY. V(HAT ASPECT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS? A. Commission Staff wj-tness Rick Sterlj-ng stated, O. Do you bel-ieve PURPA is an effective mechanism for util-ities to acquire new generation? 851 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 16 L1 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 A. No, I do not. I bel-ieve PURPA was intended to permit reLativeTy smaJ-L, non-utiTity-owned projects to be deveToped and to compete on an equal footing with utifity owned facil-ities. I do not bel-ieve PURPA was ever intended to serve as the prinary, or even a major, mechanism for utiTity acquisition of new resources.T I fundamentally disagree with Mr. Sterli-ng's statement that PURPA was "intended primarily to permit relatively small non-utility-owned projects to be developed. " Util-ities can, and do, develop PURPA projects. It is true that in the early days, utilities could only own 50% of a PURPA project, but that restrictj-on was repealed ten years ago. PURPA, arising out of the energy crises of 1970's was part of National- Energy Act enacted in 1,978. The l-aw was aimed at both relatively small renewabl-e energy projects and large projects with no limit as to size. These projects provide electrical energy at a more fuel- efficient al-ternative to tradi-tional fossil fuel utility base l-oad plant. In addition, it appears at odds with Staff's recommendations in this docket and Staff witness Sterling's statement that PURPA was intended to a1low these projects to "be developed and to compete on an equal footing with utility owned facil-ities. " Eor Reading, Reply 8 Simplot /Clearwater 852 1 2 3 tr 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 L6 t1 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 example, Idaho Power's certificate of public convenience and necessity (CPCN) for Langley Gulch does not expire after five years with capacity rates adjusted to lower ratepayer risk over the depreciated l-ife of the p1ant. I would expect Idaho Power would have difficulty financing the project with a CPCN that expired after five years. One of the concepts behind the creation of PURPA is that the market (a.k.a developers) could provide electric power at prices that are competitive with regulated utilities' resources. This has been proven to be true as I demonstrated in my direct 7 Direct Testimony of Rick SterIing, Idaho Publ-ic Utilities Commission Staff, March 23, 2015, IPC-E-15-01, p. 24. Reading, Reply 8a853 S implot /Clearwater 1 2 3 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 14 15 L6 L7 18 79 20 2L 22 23 24 25 Reading, Reply 9 Simplot /Clearwater testimony. In addition as these facil-ities are added to a utility's resource stack, they delay or eliminate l-ess fuel efficient future utility-built generation p1ant. PURPA therefore is indifferent to who provides the generation of electric power, the utility or a non-util-ity generator, only the avoided cost of providing the power should be the determining factor. O. DO YOU AGREE WITH MR. STERLINGIS STATEMENT ON PAGES 20-21 THAT ''AVOIDED COST RATES HAVE EXCEEDED COMPARABLE MARKET PRICES THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE HISTORY OE PURPA IN IDAHO''? A. No I do not. As I poJ-nted out in my direct testimony comparing long-term avoided cost estimates with current market prices is, from an economist's poi-nt of view, inappropriate and mi-sl-eading. Long-term marginal cost rates (avoided cost rates) are not the same as short-term market prices. V0hen this Commission approved the Langley Gul-ch plant for inclusion in Idaho Power's rates, it did so using long-term cost estj-mates over the expected life of the plant. Had the Commj-ssion used current market prices as the benchmark, that plant would probably not have been built. o. WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATTONS EOR THE COMMISS]ON? A. While still- maintaining the recommendation put 854 T i 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 16 t7 1_8 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 Reading, Reply 9a forth in my direct testimony Simplot,/Cl-earwater are offering an alternatj-ve proposal shoul-d the Commissj-on decide alter the length of PURPA contracts. The alternative recommendation is that capacity and energy be treated differently within the term of a 20-year contract. Capacity would remain fixed, however the energy component would be recal-culated each year beginning in the 11th year for the remainj-ng 10 years of the contract. O. DOES THIS END YOUR TESTIMONY AS OF MAY L4, 20\5? A. Yes. 855 Simplot /Clearwater --__--- 1 2 3 4 5 6 't 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 1,6 77 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 READING (X) Simplot /Cl-earwater (The following proceedings were had in open hearing. ) MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, Dr. Readlng is availabl-e for cross-examination. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you very much. Letrs begin with Staff. MR. HOWELL: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. HOWELL: O. Good morning, Dr. Reading. I just have a few questions, mostly about your direct testimony. A. Okay. O. On page 2 around about line 17, you address Simplot's QF project at its fertilizer plant in Pocatel-l-o A. Yes. a. and you say it has sold the output under a serj-es of PURPA contracts. Do you know when Simplot began selling its output to Idaho Power with PURPA contracts? A. Oh, wow. A while ago. That's as close as I can come. O. Maybe you can answer this question: During the 856 1 2 3 4 q. 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L6 t1 1B 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 READ]NG (X) Simplot /Cl-earwater time that 1t sold power under PURPA contracts, has Simplot ever had a 2)-year contract with Idaho Power for PURPA? A. The Magic Va11ey -- Magic Reservoir was a 24 35-year. O. And that contract, since you brought it up, Magic Va11ey or Magic Reservoir, Simplot wasnrt the initial party in that case, was it? A. I do not know. O. Wel-I, in Order No. 27358, it says the Commission on July 10, 1987, approved an Order for firm energy sal-es between Idaho Power and Cook Electric, Inc. Is Cook Electrj-c, Inc. Simplot? A. Not to my knowledge. O. Later in Case IPC-E-98-L4, the Commission i-n a notice of modified procedure said or described that Magic Reservoir Hydroelectric, Inc. was the successor to Cook Electri-c. MR. RTCHARDSON : Mr . Cha j-rman , if counsel f or the Staff could make these documents he's referring to avaiIab1e to the witness, it might be helpful for the witness to respond. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Howel-l. MR. HOWELL: That ends my questj-ons about whether Idaho Power and Simplot were the original parties 857 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 17 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 in the hydroelectric project. COMMISSTONER KJELLANDER: It sounds ].iKe he surrendered. O. BY MR. HOV{ELL: So can you tel_l- the Commission whether Simplot at its Pocatel-l-o facility has ever had a 1S-year contract? A. Not to my knowledge. O. Has it ever A. I know they've had a series of contracts of varying lengths. Beyond that, I will yield to your research of how long the history of the contracts are. O. Can you tel-I the Commissj-on what the longest QF contract was between Simplot? A. The longest that I can remember, I think, was a five-year, but subject to check, I'd have to Iook through the records. O. All right, thank you. I'd like to move on now to Clearwater's QF contracts and has Clearwater or its predecessor Potlatch ever had a 20-year QF contract with Washington Water Power or Avista? A. Not to my knowledge. O. Has it ever had a 15-year contract? A. I do not know the history of the length of the contract for Clearwater's cogeneration facility. O. And on page 3, line !9, you talk about the READING (X) Simplot/Clearwater 858 1 2 J 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 T4 15 16 t7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-5198 READ]NG (X) Simplot/Clearwater current contract that was entered into in 201-3. Is that contract a PURPA contract? A. I think its current status is not PURPA. O. And on l-ine orr excuse me, on page 4 of your direct testimony, line 9, you state that Clearwater is considering constructing a new cogen facility that woul-d assist the State of Idaho in complying with EPA's proposed 111(d) rule. Can you te1l the Commission if that rule is final-? A. As we al-l- know, it is not final. 0. And have you read Idaho's comments to that proposed rule? A. Bits and pieces. O. And can you te11 the Commission what the prj-mary recommendatj-on of the State of fdaho was in response to the proposed rul-e? A. The general tone of it was the who1e thing shoul-d go away. O. Would it be fair to characterize that the State of Idaho said that the proposed rule shou1d not apply to Idaho because fdaho's generation mix is already very low and the second l-owest in the nation? A. I woul-d yield that is there. There's also lots of discussions around l-11(d) that it shoul-d be a regional sol-ution, and the reason for that is, of course, and why 859 I 2 3 7 8 9 10 11 !2 13 L4 15 16 11 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 READING (X) Simplot /Clearwater Idaho has such a l-ow carbon footprj-nt, for want of a better word, is that physically within the boundaries of the stater w€ don't have any coal facilities; however, about, I think, Idaho Power hal-f of the consumption in Idaho Power's territory is from coal- plants, so the surroundj-ng states are certainl-y moving ahead with trying to have a regional sol-ution and have the decision of the carbon footprint based on something like consumption rather than the physical- location of the individual plants. O. And when you talk about regional solutions, are you talking about states entering into multi-state plans on a state-by-state basis? A. Yes, I am. O. And what do you think the likelihood of the State of Idaho or Oregon entering into a contract? A. I don't know. That's speculative and sort of what witnesses are never supposed to, but moving ahead where you're going with this l-ine O. I'm happy if you just say it's speculation. A. Okay, and specul-ation and explain what I mean by speculation, 111(d) may go away. The mu1ti-state compact may go away. Given what the Supreme Court decided yesterday on mercury emissions, the courts may go away. Given al-l- of that speculation, I firmly believe 860 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11_ r2 13 74 15 76 t1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-5198 READING (X) Simplot /Clearwater that down the road, maybe sooner than later, there will be higher costs for carbon, whatever kind of rules or l-aws or whatever that will be lmposed on all states in the U.S., primarily from ol-der coal plants, so we can say l-l-1(d) is not going to work, Wyoming and Idaho will never get together except hunting el-k or something, but Irm convinced that there will- be a carbon penalty for electric generation in the next five, ten years. MR. HOWELL: Al-1 right, thank you. I have no further questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr. Howell-. Let's move to Idaho Power. CROSS-EXAM]NAT]ON BY MR. WALKER: o. A. Good morning, Dr. Reading. Good mornj-ng. O. So Dr. Reading, I see from your experience and credentials that you were on Staff at the Idaho Pub1ic Utilities Commission from '81 to '86; is that correct? A. Correct. O. So coul-d you teI1 usr Dr. Reading, you used the acronym CPCN in your testimony, can you tel-l- usr what does "CPCN" stand for? 861 1 2 3 4 tr 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 16 L1 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (208 ) 890-s198 READ]NG (X) Simplot /Clearwater A. Did I misspell that? O. No, CPCN. MR. RICHARDSON: Do you have a specific citation to where in hls testimony you're referring? MR. WALKER: No, just generally. MR. RICHARDSON: You don't have any idea where you're referring to? MR. WALKER: Throughout his rebuttal- testimony. MR. RICHARDSON: Can you give us an example? MR. WALKER: I don't think he needs an example to answer a general question of what the acronym CPCN stands for. MR. RICHARDSON: So you don't know where in his testimony you' re referring? MR. WALKER: I'm referring to his rebuttal testimony. MR. RICHARDSON: What page? What line? MR. WALKER: That's not necessary. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Richardson and counsel- for fdaho Power, I feel- comfortable enough that the witness does have the ability to respond to a general question about that acronym, and if he doesn't know, he can say he doesn't know. Let's move on with this and if the witness would respond one way or the other. 862 1 2 3 4 tr 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 t6 L1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTTNG (208 ) 890-s198 READTNG (X) Simplot /Clearwater THE WITNESS: frm sure what I meant to say is certificate of public convenience and necessity. Being slightly dyslexic, it doesn't surprise me I would have that mixed up. O. BY MR. WALKER: So can you tel-I us based on your experience, including your work at the Public Utilities Commission, whatrs the meaning of that certificate of public convenience and necessity? A. That means that the Commission approves the building of a generation facility for the utility that is applying for it. O. And is a CPCN required in Idaho in order for a utility to build a genegation resource? MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, he's calling for a legal concl-usion. Dr. Reading is not an attorney. MR. WALKER: Dr. Reading is a former Staff member of the Commission and I believe his experience, he can speak to what a CPCN means and if it's required. MR. RICHARDSON: It calls for a 1egal conclusion, Mr. Chairman. MR. WALKER: Actual1y, on page 8 of his rebutta1 testimony and page 9, he discusses the requirements of a CPCN in relation to the Langley Gul-ch generation plant, So I would l-ike to explore his understanding of that. 863 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 \4 15 76 t1 18 79 20 21, 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 READ]NG (X) Simplot/Clearwater T ; COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: As a recommendatj-on, why not refer directly to those lines and that page number within the construction of your question and I think you can probably get to where you want to go. O. BY MR. WALKER: Mr. Reading, on page I of your rebuttal- MR. RICHARDSON: Dr. Reading, not mister. MR. WALKER: He's not a mister? COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Gentlemen, might f just for purposes of trying to move forward, there appears to be just a level of combativeness that perhaps is unnecessary. We recognize that Dr. Reading has wonderful credentials and not being impugned here. We're simply getting to the bottom of this, So let's just move forward and see if we can't get through this in a very civil- f ashion. MR. WALKER: Certainly. O. BY MR. WALKER: On page 8, Iine 16 and line L9, and page 9,Iines 9 through 15, you have some discussion about a CPCN, and an opinion that Idaho Power, line 18 through 19 on page 8, that Idaho Power would have difficulty financing a project with a CPCN that expired after five years, and my question was, is a CPCN required for a utility to buil-d a generation facility? A. Just a moment. I would like to find that so I 864 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 1-6 77 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 can read what we I re talking about. ttilould you give me the references again? O. Page 8 of your rebuttal. A. Okay. Okay, repeat the question. O. Is a CPCN required in ldaho for a utility to build a generation facility? A. My understanding is that -- being a non-lawyer, my understanding is that it is. O. And is a CPCN required before a utility is required to purchase a QF's output? A. No. O. And if a QF purchase had to meet the same requirements as a utility to build a resource, would that QF purchase be approved today under today's circumstances? A. It would depend on what it is and what the price is and what the impact is. I canrt answer that without knowing specifically what kind of project it is. O. lilhat if it was an 80 megawatt solar QF project? A. Would it be approved by the Commission? O. We1l, 1et me rephrase in this manner: If the 1r 336 megawatts of proposed QF solar were instead proposed for construction by Idaho Power in a CPCN proceeding, do you think that would be approved under 865 READTNG (X) Simplot/Clearwater 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 I 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 L6 L1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (208 ) 890-s198 READING (X) Simplot /Clearwater today's circumstances? A. I would doubt it. It would depend on what the price is. It woul-d depend on various things, but I will add that, and I can't remember whether it's in my direct or my rebuttal-, during the Enron meltdown, the Commission approved the Danskin project which a year before wou1d have never got approved. In that Order, the Commission said that due to all of these unusual- circumstances that we'fl waive the fact that it wasn't in the IRP and did rapid approvalr so your generic question is whether a who1e bunch of sol-ar would be rubber-stamped and approved through a certificate process, I would certainly doubt it right now, but that doesn't mean that for whatever reason, whether it l-eads back to Mr. Howel-l-'s discussion of carbon, things often change and I certainly would be1ieve that if Idaho Power proposed a sol-ar project of whatever size and was able to cost justify it, then the Commission wou1d approve it. MR. WALKER: I have no further questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Let's move now to Avista Corporation. MR. ANDREA: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. PacifiCorp. MS. HOGLE: PacifiCorp has no questions. Thank 866 1 2 3 you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Let's look to anything from the Idaho Conservation League/Sj-erra Club? MR. OTTO: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr. Otto. Intermountain Energy Partners, Mr. Mil-l-er. MR. MILLER: No, thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Ms. Nunez. MS. NUNEZ: No questJ-ons. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: MT. Olsen. MR. OLSEN: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Sanger. MR. SANGER: No questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Yourre sort of hiding out over there. Good to see you. Mr. Hammond. MR. HAMMOND: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Arkoosh. MR. ARKOOSH: No, Mr. Chairman, thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Schmidt being new to the process, do you want to weigh in? MR. SCHMIDT: Boy, itrs tempting, but I'11 pass. Thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Fair enough. Are there questions from the Commission? 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 !2 13 74 15 16 t7 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-5198 READING (X) Simplot/Cl-earwater 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 77 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-5198 READING (Com) S implot /Clearwater EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: O. I just have a littl-e bit before we get to redirect and j-t's nothing heavy and if it's something that you'd feel uncomfortabl-e in responding to, just say so and we'11 stop, unless you say you're uncomfortable with it before I ask. You've been around for a long time. You've testified in front of us multiple times and a lot of it tied to PURPA-related cases, and part of where I'm going with this is that we've had one public hearing and we've got another telephonic hearing coming up this evening, and the general impression that we get from a lot of people who testify publicJ-y is that there's a perception or at l-east the illusion of a perception, perhaps my illusion of my interpretation of what they're saying, is that there seems to be some underlying belief that the only way renewables will be developed is through PURPA. In your experience, are there other options that a utility can util-ize to develop renewable resources? A. Correct. O. And among them there are RFPs? A. Yeah, RFPs. O. Sel-f -builds ? A. Se1f-build, yes. B6B 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B O. And if you were to look down the road and hearing your testimony earlier, there was some futuristic projections of what you see happening, and one way or the other I think we all probably come to a singular conclusion that the likel-ihood of there being any new coal-fired generat.ors built is slim to none; would that be your assessment? A. That woul-d certaj-nly be my assessment, y€s. O. So assuming that you and I are on the same page with that, what are the next resources, then, that a utility would look at, whether they're PURPA resources or whether they're RFP resources? If they need to serve future load, what are their opti-ons? A. The current option of choice is gas plants, because their emissj-ons, their carbon emissions, are about half of what a coal plant is, and I'I1 put a footnote on that that, you know, the general assumption is that gas j-s rock bottom and gas will- always stay rock bottom, and I have enough gray haj-r that once we all agree that something is going to happen, that te1ls me that that is not going to happen. O. Yeah, I have gray hair, too. I remember the 10 and $14.00 per megatherm prices. A. Right, for instance, you know, fracking, I wouldn't be shocked if we had a major problem with CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 READING (Com) Simplot /Cl-earwater 9 10 11 L2 13 l4 15 L6 l1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 869 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 76 71 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 READING (Com) Simplot/Clearwater fracking somewhere, whether it's earthquakes or fires or whatever O. So if I cou1d interrupt, then, we 're probably in agreement that natural gas is a resource that today looks like the next viabl-e resource, but the volatility that we've seen in pricing coul-d alter that, so what else ? A. So then we do move to the "renewable resources, 'r such as wind and solar and biogas and those kj-nds, so I think looking down the road, if f were to forecast and knock on wood I'm goi-ng to be around to see it, that the utility mix in the future for utilities would be a much higher percentage of renewables and I believe that whether Idaho Power ever I mean, the State of Idaho ever gets RPS standards or not, that's where the el-ectric generation worl-d is moving. O.So then if I coul-d sum this up and you can agree or disagree or add to it, regardless of whether it's PURPA, an RFP or self-build, it's your perception that renewabl-es will be in Idaho Power's future, Rocky Mountain Power's future, and Avista's future A. Yes. O. as it relates to serving future l-oad? A. Right, and I think specifically to the cl-ients that hired me for this case, I think CHP is going to 870 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 76 t7 18 19 20 2! 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s1-98 YrN (Di) Staff become even more j-mportant because of its use of already generated it's so fuel efficient relative to a regular gas plant or a coal plant. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Redirect? MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have no redirect. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Reading, always a pleasure to see you. (The witness left the stand. ) COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Let'S move now to Staff for the Public Utillties Commission. MS. HUANG: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Staff would call Dr. Yao Yin. YAO YIN, produced as a witness at the instance of the Staff, having been first duly sworn to tel-l- the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, was examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAI{INATION BY MS. HUANG: O. Good morning, Dr. Yin. A. Good morning. 877 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 16 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 YrN (Di) Staff O. Woul-d you please state your fuII name and spe11 your last name for the record? A. Yao Yin, Y-i-n. a. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? A. I rm employed by the Idaho Public Utilities Commission as a utilities analyst. O. Are you the same Yao Yin who f11ed direct testimony in this matter on April 23rd, 2015? A. Yes, I am. O. Do you have any changes you'd like to make to your testimony, changes or corrections? A. I do. On page 9 of my testimony, line 24, the word "avoid" should be changed to "avoided. " O. And do you have any other changes to your testimony? A. I do not. O. If I were to ask you those same questions that are set forth J-n your direct testimony with that change, wou1d your answers be the same today? A. Yes. MS. HUANG: Mr. Chairman, I would move that Dr. Yin's testimony be spread on the record. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: And wi-thout objection, we wil-l spread the testimony of Dr. Yin across 872 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 17 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 the record as if read. (The fol-l-owing prefiled testimony of Dr. Yao Yin is spread upon the record. ) YIN (Di) StaffCSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 873 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 t6 t7 18 79 20 21 22 23 24 25 O. Please state your name and business address for the record. A. My name is Yao Yin. My business address is 472 West Washington Street, Boise, Idaho. O. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? A. I am employed by the Idaho Public Utilities Commission as a Utilities Ana1yst. O. What is your educational and professional background? A. I received a Bachelor of Science in Biol-ogical Sciences from Shandong University in 2006. Later, I earned a Master of Science in Molecular Cellular Biology (2007), a Master of Public Policy in Environmental Policy (2009), and a Ph.D. in Environmental Science (2071), al-I from Oregon State Unj-versity. I will be attending the Practical Regulatory Training for the Electric Industry Course held May 17-22, 20L5 by the Center for Public Utilities at New Mexico State University. Prior to joining the Commj-ssi-on, I worked for Energy Biosciences Institute at Universi-ty of Il-Iinois at Urbana-Champaign as a Postdoctoral Research Associate. Later, I worked for the Energy Polj-cy Institute at Boise State Universj-ty as a Research Assistant Professor. I joined the Commission in May 20L4. O. What is the purpose of your testimony in this r PC-E- 1 5-0 1 4/23/\s (Di ) 1_ STAFF 814 YIN, Y. t- 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 t7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/15 (Di) 2 STAFF proceeding? A. The purpose of my testimony is to review Rocky Mountain Power's proposal to change its indicative pricing practice in the Integrated Resource Planning (IRP) methodology so that it may provide more accurate avoided cost rates to proposed QF projects. O. What do you mean by "proposed QF prolects"? A. "Proposed QF projects" are projects for which a QF developer has requested indicative avoided cost prices, and is actively pursuing or negotiating a power purchase agreement (PPA) with a utility. O. Do the "proposed QF projects" j-ncl-ude QE projects that are seeking SAR-based published rates? A. No, not in the context of my testimony as discussed here. SAR-based projects that are seeking published rates (those that are smaller than the published rate eligibility cap) may request the current published rates approved by the Commi-ssion. O. Are you proposing changes to the Integrated Resource Planning process? A. No. SAR-based projects, IRP-based projects, and other long-term non-PURPA contracts w1l-I continue to be incl-uded in the IRP planning process as contracts are signed. My testimony addresses a change to the practice 875 YIN, Y. 7 2 3 4 5 6 7 I Y 10 11 12 13 74 15 1,6 77 18 79 20 2L 22 z3 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/L5 (Di) 3 STAFF of giving indicative pricing to proposed QF project that are negotiating IRP-based avoided cost rates as part of the IRP metho&legI. O. Does the term "proposed QF project" refer to projects that make general inquiries about procedures for obtaining a PURPA contract? A. No. Typically, a QF is considered a proposed QE when it is seriously pursuj-ng a power purchase agreement (PPA) and makes it to the stage of requesting indicative avoided cost prices. Projects at earlier stages, such as the general- inquiry stage, are typically not considered as proposed projects. O. What are j-ndicative prices? A. Indicative prices are preliminary estimates of avoided cost rates which serve as the starting point for negotiations between QEs and a utility. They may differ from the final- prices in a contract (i.e., contract prices). O. What do QE projects need to do before requesting indicative prices from a utility? A. Idaho Power's Schedul-e 73 and Avista's Schedule 62 specify the information a project needs to submit before requesting indicative prices. Rocky Mountain Power does not have a simil-ar schedul-e in Idaho, although I recommend it propose one so that QF projects can have a 816 YIN, Y. 6 1 B 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-15-0 1 4/23/ts (Di) 4 STAEF better idea of the procedures for requesting indicative prices in fdaho. O. Please descrj-be the current indicative pricing practice approved by the Commission. A. Currently, proposed projects are not placed in a queue but are instead treated for pricing purposes as if they are all the first project to receive the next indicative prices. In other words, the first proposed project, the second proposed project, the third proposed project...wil-l all be treated the same as the first project for purposes of receiving indicative pricl-ng. The indicative prj-ces, however, can be recalculated (before they become contract prices) if an ear.l-ier contract is signed, or if a signed contract is removed. O. Which Commission Order approved of this practice? A. In Case No. GNR-E-11-03, the Commission stated that "1ong-term contracts shall be considered in IRP Methodology calculations at such time as the utility and QF have entered into a signed contract for the sale and purchase of QF power." Order No. 32691 at 22. (Emphasis added) . O. Are there practi-caI concerns with this practice? A. Theoretically, this practice may result in 877 YIN, Y. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 t6 L'7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/1,5 (Di) s STAFF accurate avoided cost rates by allowing indicative prices to be recalculated when an earlier contract is signed. In reality, however, it can be very difficul-t to recalculate rates for proposed projects in a timely manner when there are many projects seeking indicative prices at the same time. As Rocky Mountain stated on page I of its Petition in this case (PAC-E-15-03), "the currentl-y approved requirement that the Company's avoided cost rate modeling can only be updated to account for signed QF contract Is] wiIl resul-t in PURPA Icontracts] . based on indicative pricing that becomes inaccurate . . " The inability to update indicative pricing "will- result in payments to QEs that exceed avoided costs . ." (Rocky Mountain Petition at 33.) In addition, a QF may not want to re-negotiate the new updated rates, because the new indicative prices may be lower than the original ones. New indicative prices may be l-ower because, under the IRP methodology, each successive QE displaces l-ower-cost resources in the utility's dispatch stack O. V'lhy were these concerns not much of an issue 1n the past? A. The current indicative pricing practice works wel-I when individual project sizes are smal-l-, cumulative project sizes are small-, and multiple projects are not 878 YIN, Y. 2 3 8 9 10 4 5 6 7 11 72 13 74 15 L6 17 t-8 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-15-0 1 4/23/t5 (Di) 6 STAFF being proposed at about the same time, because the resulting indicative prices are accurate and rarely need to be recalcul-ated. Today, however, PURPA project sizes are much larger, both individually and cumulatively, and multiple projects frequently seek indicative prices at the same time. Under this circumstance, the sequence of projects, which determines every project's avoided cost rates, needs to be established to reflect how each project actually displaces the utility's resources and contributes to the utility's capacity. UnIess indicative pricing is abl-e to reflect the actual- impacts of each project, inaccurate avoided cost rates may result. PIease describe the new indicative pricing practi-ce proposed by Rocky Mountain. A. The new indicative pricing practice would offer more accurate indicative prices to QFs by putting all the proposed projects into a gueue based on the times they request indicative prices. As Rocky Mountain describes the proposed change on page 38 of its Petition, the proposed modified indicative pricing practice "reflects all active QF projects in the pricing queue ahead of any newly proposed QF requests for indicative pricing. " O. Are there advantages to the newl-y proposed practice? A. Yes. When all proposed projects are placed in a. 819 YIN, Y. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 l4 15 L6 L7 18 79 20 27 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/Ls (Di) 1 STAEF a queue, rather than being treated as the first project, each project wil-l- receive different indicative pricing, depending on its position in the queue. Generally, the higher the position in the queue, the higher the avolded cost rates. Using a queue wil-l allow indicative pricing to refl-ect how each project actually displaces the utility's resources and contributes to the utility's capacity at the start of the negotiation process. a. Can you give an example to show how the new indicative pricing practice would impact contract prices? A. Rocky Mountain witness Dickman provides an example on page l-0 of his direct testimony. There he states "[t]he Company cal-cul-ated the impact on the IRP Method avoided costs of including roughly 3,000 MW of proposed QEs Igeneration] (located in Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Oregon) prior to the next Idaho QF. Accounting for these proposed QFs rather than just those QFs with signed contracts reduces avoided costs for the next Idaho QE in the pricing queue by approximately $18 per MWh on a 2)-year levelized basis . . " If proposed projects are not placed in a queue, there could be substantial- overpayments in avoided cost rates to the QFs. O. Indicative pricing using this methodology assumes that the proposed projects wil-1 be built 880 YIN, Y. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 76 !1 18 1,9 20 21 22 23 24 25 r PC-E- 1 5-0 1 4/23/75 (Di) I STAEF eventually, but what if a proposed project drops out of the queue? A. If projects drop out of the queue, utilities will recal-culate the indicative prj-ces for projects succeeding the dropped one, and the parties would negotiate based on the new rates. Obviously, the new rates wil-L be higher than the original rates, because all- the projects that are situated lower in the queue wil-l be bumped up to displace higher-cost resources and have better opportunity to contribute to the utility's capacity need. Because the remai-ni-ng projects will receive higher avoided cost rates, they wil-1 financially benefit and should readily accept the new, higher rates. O. Under the proposed indicative pricing practice, is it 1ike1y that in order to get higher indicative prices, projects will try to request indicative prices as soon as possj-ble to save an earl-ier spot in the queue even if QFs are not ready to seriously negotiate an IRP-based PURPA contract? A. Both Idaho Power's Schedule 13 and Avista's Schedule 62 require projects to provide specific information about each project before the util-ities provide indicative pricing. Al-so, the schedules specify timeline milestones for QFs to meet as projects and negotiations progress. 881 YIN, Y. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 14 15 16 77 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-1 5-0 1 4/23/1,5 (Di) e STAEF Staff recommends that Rocky Mountain should file a simj-lar tariff schedule to Iay out the PURPA negoti-ating process and prevent projects from prematurely requesti-ng indicative pricing. a. If a QE changes significant detail-s about its project, will the QF remain 1n the queue? A. Yes, but not in the same queue position. Rocky Mountain Power states in its response to Staff's first producti-on request that "j-f the QF changes significant details about the prolect (such as site location, online date, or project size), the QF is removed from the queue and then re-enters the queue at the bottom as a new request with the new project description. " I agree with Rocky Mountain's approach, but believe specific criteria may need to be developed for management of the queue, such as rules for QF entry, re-positionJ-ng, and removal from the queue. O. What is your recommendation regarding Rocky Mountain's request to change its indlcative pricing practice? A. I recommend that the indicative pricing practice provided to proposed QF projects be updated to place all the proposed projects in a queue, thereby providing more accurate and up-to-date avoided costs. The Commissj-on should dj-scontinue the "signed contract" 882 Y]N, Y. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 L6 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-15-0 1 4/23/L5 (Di ) 10 STAFF requirement in Order No. 32697 for purposes of giving indicative pricing to IRP-base projects. Fina11y, Rocky Mountain should be direct.ed to file a tariff schedule outl-ining its PURPA contracting procedures in Idaho. O. Does this conclude your direct testimony in this proceedj-ng? A. Yes, it does. 883 YIN, Y. 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 16 t7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 YrN (X) Staff (The following proceedings were had in open hearing. ) MS. HUANG: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Dr. Yin is now available for cross-examination. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Let's just move down the l-ist and keep it simple for me. Idaho Power. MR. WALKER: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Avista. MR. ANDREA: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: PacifiCorp. MS. HOGLE: No questions, thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: And Mr. Adams. MR. ADAI4S: No questions from Simplot. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Richardson. MR. RICHARDSON: Just one, Mr. Chairman. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. RICHARDSON: O. Dr. Yi-n, on page I of your direct testimony on Iine 3, you talk about projects dropping out of the queue? A. Yes. O. Do you have any proposal or system in mind for how projects are dropped out of the queue? 884 1 2 3 4 tr 6 1 8 9 10 11 1,2 13 t4 15 L6 77 18 1,9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 YrN (X) Staff A. How they drop out of the queue? O. Right, because it seems to me that you could accumulate projects that are not serious projects in the queue that a utility might leave in the queue in order to artificially lower the avoided cost rate, so is there some sort of system for dropping projects out of the queue you had in mind? A. I think right now we don't have specific rules for queue management and I think the util-ities should come up with specific management rules to deal with situations like dropping out, repositioning, reentering into the queue r ot removal from the queue. I think we shoul-d in the near future develop specific rules. 0. And I think you testified that PacifiCorp does not have a tariff on fil-e in Idaho. What is your recommendation for PacifiCorp in terms of filing a tariff for setting the procedures for QFs to get in the queue and fal-l out of the queue or whatever? A. Two points. I think, first of all, PacifiCorp should fil-e a simil-ar tariff schedul-e si-milar to ldaho Power's Schedule 73 and Avista's 62 to specify the specifJ-c procedures for the QF to be able to request indicative prices and also as to the specific rules for queue management. I think it's a different order or different j-ssue so that I don't envision two things 88s 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L6 l7 18 19 20 2! 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 YrN (X) Staff combined in the same order. O. And do you recall in the last generic avoided cost case, thj-s Commission ordered al-l- the three utilities Lo file such a tariff? A. Say your question again. 0. Do you recall that in the last generic avoided cost docket, this Commissj-on ordered all three utilities to file a queue management tariff? A. f donrt think I was hired. MR. RICHARDSON: Okay, thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: The other response is it's beyond my pay grade, they both work. Letrs see, who is next? Mr. Ott.o. MR. OTTO: No questions, Mr. Commissioner. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Mi1ler. MR. MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, just one or two. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. MILLER: O. Good morning, Doctor. A. Good morning. O. Ir{elcome to the wor1d of public utility testifying. 886 o 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 10 11 72 13 74 15 L6 L7 t8 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 YrN (x) Staff A. Thank you. O. I hope itrs not a too burdensome experJ-ence for you. I always say it's no worse than your standard root canal, right. I just have one questj-on on page 9 of your testimony. A. Okay. O. At the very bottom on the last two lines, you suggest that the Commission discontinue the signed contract requirement for purposes of giving indicative pricing. Are you recommending that with respect to the Idaho Power method of computing or providing indicative pricing or just PacifiCorp? A. The proposal- that PacifiCorp is proposing is the queuing methodology and Idaho Power has adopted it in the 13 sofar parties. a. Currentl-y the Idaho Power methodol-ogy is based on signed contracts; right? A. No. It's based on PacifiCorp's methodology that it is proposing. O. I'm sorry, I couldn't quite hear you. A. Idaho Power has already applied the method PacifiCorp is proposing. O. And 1t uses a signed contract? A. No, PacifiCorp is proposing the queued methodology, the queuing. 887 1 2 3 4 tr 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 L6 71 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (208 ) 890-s198 YrN (X) Staff O. So you're not proposing, then, afly change to the Idaho Power methodology as you understand it? A. Can you say the question again? O. Your proposal here to el-iminate the signed contract requirement is not intended to modify the existing Idaho Power methodol-ogy? A. Define "existing Idaho Power methodology. " Can you define the exj-stj-ng Idaho Power's methodology for me, please ? O. Give me a second here. Going back to page 4 of your testimony, you reference the Commission Order 3269"7 in Case GNR-E-11-03. A. Riqht. That's the methodology in the Order and I'm proposing we shoul-d change that methodol-ogy. a. With respect to Idaho Power? A. With respect to Idaho Power, Idaho Power has already adopted this methodology in their 13 sol-ar projects. n O. So is it your understanding that ldaho Power has already moved away from signed contracts? A. Correct. O. Is that what you're saying? A. Uh-huh. MR. MILLER: Al-l- right, I think that clarifies it i-n my mind, I think. 8BB 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 L6 !1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 YrN (x) Staff THE V{ITNESS: Thank you. MR. MILLER: That's all I have. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr. Miller. Ms. Nunez. MS. NUNEZ: No questions. Thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Olsen. MR. OLSEN: No questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Sanger. MR. SANGER: No questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: MT. Hammond. MR. HAMMOND: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMTSSIONER KJELLANDER: MT. ATKoosh. MR. ARKOOSH: No, thank you, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: And Mr. Schmidt. MR. SCHMIDT: No, thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Any questj-ons from members of the Commission? WelI, you've been baptized. You are now are officialfy a witness at the PUC. Oh, Irm sorry, redirect. One chance for your worst enemy, your own attorney, to ruin your day. THE WITNESS: Okay. MS. HUANG: No redlrect, thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: You got off easy. THE WITNESS: Thank you. BB9 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 16 77 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 STERLTNG (Di) Staff (The witness l-eft the stand.) COMMISSfONER KJELLANDER: Al-l- right, Staff would call their final witness. MR. HOWELL: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We would call Rick Sterling to the stand. RICK STERLING, produced as a witness at the instance of the Staff, having been first duly sworn to teII the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, was examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. HOWELL: O. Cou1d you state your name and spe1l your last for the record, please? A. My,name is Rick Sterling, S-t-e-r-1-i-n-9. O. And Mr. Sterling, whom are you employed by and in what capacity? A. I'm employed by the Idaho Public Utilities Commission as an engineering supervisor. a. Are you the same Rick Sterling that fil-ed direct testimony dated April 23xd and rebuttal testimony dated May 14th in this matter? 890 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 d 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 t1 18 L9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (Di) Staff A. I am. O. Do you have any changes or corrections to either your direct or rebuttal testimony? A. No. O. Are you al-so the same person that prepared Staff Exhibit 101? A. Yes, I am. O. Do you have any changes or corrections to the exhibit? A. No, I do not. O. And if I were to ask you the questions set out in your direct and rebuttal- testimony, would your answers be the same today? A. Yes, they wou1d. MR. HOWELL: With that, Mr. Chairman, I woul-d move that Mr. Sterlingrs direct and rebutta1 testimony be spread upon the record as if read and his Exhibit 101 be marked for identification. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: And without objectlon, so ordered. (The following prefiled dlrect and rebuttal testimony of Mr. Rick Sterling is spread upon the record. ) 891 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 1_5 1,6 l7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-15-0 1 4/23/ts (Di) 1 STAFF O. Please state your name and business address for the record. A. My name is Rick Sterling. My busj-ness address is 472 West Washington Street, Boj-se, Idaho. O. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? A. I am employed by the Idaho Public Utilities Commission as the Engineerj-ng Supervisor. O. What is your educational and professional background? A. I recej-ved a Bachelor of Science degree in Civil Engineering from the University of Idaho in 1981 and a Master of Scj-ence degree in Civil Engineering from the University of ldaho in 1983. I worked for the ldaho Department of Water Resources Energy Division from 1983 to 1994. In 1988, I became licensed in Idaho as a registered professional Civil Engineer. I began working at the Idaho Pub1ic Utilities Commission in 7994. My duties at the Commission i-nclude analysis of a wide variety of electric and large water utility appllcations. I have been the lead staff member on aIl- Public Utility Regulatory PoIicj-es Act (PURPA) dockets at the Commission since L994. In addition, I lead the Engineering Section and supervise a staf f of engj-neers and util- j-ty analysts. O. What is the purpose of your testimony in this proceedi-ng? 892 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 A. The purpose of my testimony is to address the petition of Idaho Power to reduce the maximum contract length for lRP-based (Integrated Resource PIan) PURPA contracts from the current 20 years to two years. I wilf also address similar requests by Avista and PacifiCorp for reduced contract lengths. In addition, I will make recommendations for maximum contract length for SAR-based (Surrogate Avoided Resource) PURPA contracts, including replacement contracts. O. What do you believe is the real issue that. needs to be addressed in this case? A. I bel-ieve the real- issue is the risk exposure to ratepayers that can occur due to long-term PURPA contracts. Long-term contracts, by themselves, would not necessarily be problematic if the long-term avoided cost rates contained in those contracts fairly represented avoided costs over the enti-re duration of the contract. Unfortunately, however, I do not believe any avoided cost calcul-ation can prove to remain accurate over a 20-year period. Absent any mechanism to periodically adjust avoided cost rates throughout the term of the contract, shorter contract lengths appear to be one of the only viabl-e and effective ways to reduce the risk exposure to ratepayers. O. Why donf t you believe avoided cost cal-culations r PC-E- 1 5-0 1 4/23/\s (Di) 2 STAFF 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 76 t1 18 L9 20 27 22 23 24 25 893 STERLTNG, R. 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1,2 13 14 15 !6 t7 18 1,9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-l_5-01 4/23/Ls (Di) 3 STAFF can prove to remain accurate over a 20-year period? A. Under the IRP method, avoided cost rates are computed, in large part, using an hourl-y dispatch model- that dispatches generation to meet load in each hour at the lowest possible cost. The dispatch models require extensive information about each of the generation plants, typi-ca1J-y throughout the western U.S., as well- as long-term forecasts of loads and fuel prices. While forecasts can be prepared and assumptions can be made easily enough, it is extremel-y unlikely that those forecasts and assumpti-ons will remain accurate over a long period of time. Consequently, it is equally unlikely that the avoided cost rates that emerge from the dispatch models wil-l- remain accurate. It is possible that the avoided cost rates will be too high at some times and too l-ow at other times. It is also possible, however, that the avoided cost rates wil-I be too high or too 1ow throughout the entj-re contract length. Regardless of whether the avoided cost raLes are too high or too low, 100 percent of the risk of actual prices deviating from forecasted avoided cost rates is borne by ratepayers and none of the risk j-s borne by QFs. 0. Has the Commission Staff taken a position recently on maxj-mum contract length for PURPA contracts? A. Yes, in Case No. GNR-E-11-03, f recommended 894 STERLING, R. 2 3 4 5 6 7 I Y 10 11 12 13 t4 15 t6 l1 1B 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/ts (Di) 4 STAFF that the Commission reduce maximum contract length to five years for contracts containing rates computed under the IRP methodology. This recommendation supported Idaho Power's request in that case. O. Did the Commission accept your reconimendation? A. No, the Commission did not. The Commission stated the followi-ng in Order No. 32691 z We find that a 2O-year contract length, along withother factors, has been beneficial- in encouraging PURPA development in Idaho. We continue to bel-ievethat 2)-year contracts better coincide with theuseful life of the renewabl-e/cogeneration resources. While it is not this Commj-ssion' s respons j-bility toensure a contract length that al-l-ows a QF to obtain financi-ng, we find that reducing maximum contractlength to five years woul-d unduly hinder PURPA development. That is not the Commission'sobjective. We believe that, by utiliz:-ng othertools to ensure an accurate and up-to-date avoidedcost valuation, we can continue to encourage thetypes of projects that were envisioned by PURPA whil-e maintainlng the transparency for ratepayers as PURPA requires. Therefore, w€ find that a maximumcontract length of 20 years is appropriate. Theparties to a power purchase agreement are free tonegotiate a shorter contract if that would be mostsuitable for the project. As in the past, this Commission wiII consider contracts of more than 20years on a case-by-case basis. O. The passage from Order No. 32691 you have quoted above reflects the Commission's position less than two and a half years ago. Why do you believe the Commission shoul-d consi-der a dlfferent position today? A. In the short two and a hal-f years since the 89s STERLING, R 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 !4 15 L6 L1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-15-0 1 4/23/rs Order was issued, Idaho Power has signed agreements for 46L MW of new sofar generationr l and, as stated in its Petition, has received pricing requests for 885 MW of additional solar generation. In response to Staff production requests, Idaho Power states that it has recej-ved additional requests for solar contracts of approximately 120 MW since the filing of thls case on January 30, 20L5. PacifiCorp has received pricing requests for 275.5 MW of new solar generation according to its Petition. Contrary to what was contemplated j-n the Order, it would not appear that PURPA development needs further encouragement at this time. Order No. 32697 suggested that other tools should be used to ensure accurate and up to date avoided cost rates, but I belj-eve there are now few other tool,s available. Avolded cost rates can be calculated accurately at the beginning of a contract term, but no matter how accurate they may be to start, they are bound to become inaccurate over a 2)-year period for a long term contract. O. Is the sj-gnifj-cant increase in the cumulative amount of PURPA power a recent phenomenon? 1 The Commi-ssion was recently informed by Idaho Powerthat four solar contracts representing 141 MW have been terminated for failure to post security. (Di) s STAFF STERLING,896 1 2 3 4 q 6 1 B 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 t1 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/15 (Dl) 5 STAFF Yes, as shown in Idaho Power's Exhibit No. 7, the total- amount of PURPA power began its significant increase from 276 MW in 2008, to an estimate of 2781 MW in 2018.2 From 7982 to about 2001, Idaho Power had less than 200 MW of PURPA generation, primarily hydro. For approximately the first 25 years, the average size of PURPA projects was only about 2.5 MW. O. Has the Commission ever before limited contracts to five years or l-ess? A. Yes, it has. The Commission's policy with regard to contract length has evolved over the years. From 1980 when PURPA was first implemented in ldaho, through 7987, utilities were obligated to offer QFs up to 35-year contracts. The reason for the 35-year maximum contract length was that 35 years was the amortization period allowed for similar util-ity-owned facil-ities. A contract length that matched the project's amortization schedule made financing easier, and in effect, helped encourage QF development. fn 7981 (See Case No. U-1500-170, Order No. 2!630) the Commission shortened the standard contract 2 Note that the total- estimate for 2018 includes 885 of proposed contracts. In addition, it includes 451 MW ofsigned contracts. The Commission was recently notifiedthat 141 MW of signed contracts have defaulted, and thecontracts have been terminated. A. 891 STERLING, R 1 2 3 4 q A 7 B 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 76 71 1B 19 20 2L )) 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/75 (Di) 1 STAFF length to 20 years reasoning that risk and uncertalnty inherent in long-range forecasting increases dramaticalty with time and that a shorter contract term would reduce that risk. The Commission rul-ed that contracts longer than 20 years would be avail-abl-e to QFs only upon a persuasive showing of need. Nine years Iater, in 1996, the Commission again reexamined the issue of contract length. In Order No. 26516 in Case No. IPC-E-95-9, the Commission further shortened the maximum required contract length from 20 years '1 00? length than 1 No. 21 to five years for projects 1 MW and larger. In the Commission extended the five-year contract limitation established for large QFs to smaller MW QFs as welI. (See Case No. IPC-E-11-9, Order 111 ) In 2002, the Commission increased maximum contract length from 5 years back to 20 years. The Commissj-on explained that when it earlier had reduced maxi-mum contract length to five years, there was an expectation of widespread deregulation, more competitive markets, and greater reliance on short-term market purchases. However, by 2002, the Commission recognJ-zed that each of Idaho's regulated electric utilities were constructing or had recently constructed long-term new generation resources.fn restoring 20 years as the B9B STERLING, R 2 3 4 5 6 '7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 l4 15 76 T7 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 r PC-E- 15- 0l- 4/23/75 (Di) 8 STAFF maximum contract length, the Commission reasoned that a longer contract better coincides with the planned resource life of renewable or cogeneration resources being offered, better refl-ects the amortization period of generation projects constructed by the utilities themselves and will- coincidentally provide a revenue stream that wilI facil-itate the fj-nancing of QE projects. (See Order No. 29029) O. During the approximately five and a half year period when contract length was limited to five years (September, 1996 through May, 2002), weren't very few PURPA contracts signed? A. Yes, there was only one PURPA contract signed in Idaho duri-ng this tj-me frame. However, at the ti-me, the eligibility threshold for published rates was also l-imited to facilities one megawatt or sma1ler. In addition, published rates were also quite low at this time, primarily due to low natural gas prices. Furthermore, most PURPA hydro and cogeneration projects had already been developed, whil-e wind, soLar and bj-ogas technology had yet to fully develop. The combinatj-on of al-I of these factors, not shortened contract length alone, caused very few PURPA projects to be developed in Idaho during this tj-me period. O. But wonrt a fi-ve-year limit on maximum contract 899 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 16 L1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/L5 (Di) 9 STAFF Iength, tf approved, limit the ability of projects to obtain financing, thus making extensive project development unl-i kely? A. Yes, I agree that development would Iike1y slow consj-derably, at least under PURPA. However, facilitles could still be developed under other mechanisms. Eor example, if a utility ldentified a need in its IRP and if certai-n renewables or cogeneration possessed the characteristics and costs maklng it part of a preferred portfolio, then the utility cou1d acquire renewables or cogeneration with long-term contracts in response to utility requests for proposal. Thls was the mechanism employed by fdaho Power 1n signing power purchase agreements (PPAs) with the Neal Hot Springs and Raft River geothermal projects (35 MW), and the Elkhorn wind project (101 MW) . Simil-ar1y, Avista secured a PPA for the Pal-ouse wind project in the same way. Fina11y, PacifiCorp has either signed multiple PPAs or acquired ownership of wind projects 1n the same manner. QFs coul-d al-so seIl their output to other utilities outside of Idaho, just as some out of state projects currently sell their output to Idaho utilities. In addition, projects cou1d be developed in Idaho and sel-l their output to out of state buyers, not as QEs under PURPA, but as Exempt Whol-esale Generators. At 900 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 16 77 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 rPc-E-15-01 4/23/1.s (Di) 10 STAEE least one large wind project in eastern Idaho sel1s its output to Southern California Edison in this fashion. In fact, this is a very common mechanism for project development throughout other parts of the country. Al-ternatively, projects could also sign PURPA contracts and replace them every five years (or whatever maximum contract length the Commissj-on decides) as long as PURPA remains in effect. O. Do you believe that the Commission shoul-d shoulder some responsibility for ensuring contract lengths are long enough to enable QFs to obtain financing? A. No, not necessarily. Where the Commission desires to boost development of PURPA projects, long-term contracts may accomplish that goaI. However, currently, Idaho utilities, particularly Idaho Power, are being j-nundated with more projects than they need or can accommodate. fn Order No. 32697, the Commission stated that it is not the Commission's responsibility to ensure contracts are long enough to enabl-e projects to obtain fJ-nancing. Because the Commission must also regulate the reasonableness of customer rates and the rel-iability of power, it is ul-timately a matter of policy-how the Commission wishes to weigh its various considerations. O. Is a 20-year maxj-mum contract lengthinconsistent with PURPATs objectives? 901 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 1,6 71 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 r PC-E- 1- 5- 01 4/23/L5 (Di) 11 STAFE A. Yes, it can be. One of the Commission's primary duties under PURPA is to set avoided cost rates that are just and reasonable to customers, j-n the public interest, and not dlscriminatory to QFs. Such rates must not exceed incremental costs to the utility. The concern arises when contracts extend for many years and the forecast of avoided cost becomes inaccurate. Long-term contracts based on forecasted rates create greater risks for customers because the rates in the later years are not ref l-ective of avoided costs. O. Are there any specific requirements under PURPA regarding contract length? A. No, EERC's regulations implementing PURPA are silent on contract length. Furthermore, I am not aware of any FERC case or court decision involving a requirement for a minj-mum contract length. However, FERC rul-es do appear to contemplate less than 20 year contracts. Section 292.302 of the FERC rules implementing PURPA, requires util-ities to make availabl-e information from which avoided costs may be derj-ved. For energy, util-ities are required to estimate the energy component of avoided costs by year for the current year and each of the next five years. For capacity, the utility must make availabl-e its plan for the addition of capacity by amount and type, for 902 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 t6 71 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-1 5-0 I 4/23/7s (Di ) 1,2 STAFF purchases of firm energy and capacity, and for capaci-ty retirements for each year during the succeeding 10 years. Thus, these component forecasts are much l-ess than the 20-year contract. In Idaho, utilities do not actually submit such information to the Commission because FERC rules permit states to require different lnformation for derj-ving avoided costs. Nonetheless, I think the mere mention of five year estimates for energy and 10 years for capacity suggests 20 year maximum contract lengths are not necessarily expected. O. Are there other reasons why you bel-ieve that maximum contract length should be shortened to five years? A. Yes, there are. When the surrogate avoided resource (SAR) was changed from a coal-fired resource to a gas-fired resource in 1995, fuel became a much larger portion of the avoided cost rate. By comparison, fuel- is a far more substantial portion of costs for a gas-fired resource than for a coal--fired resource. In fact , for the gas-fired combined cycle combustion turbine (CCCT) now used as the SAR, fuel represents approximately two thirds of the project costs. The fuel- component of costs must be estj-mated based on 21-year forecasts. As history has demonstrated, it can be extremel-y difficult to 903 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 t4 15 L6 1,'7 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 accurately forecast gas prices just a few years into the future, let r PC-E- l- 5-01 4/23/L5 ( Di ) 1,2a STAEF 904 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 77 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-15-0 1 4/23/75 (Di) 13 STAFF al-one 20 years j-nto the future. Similarly, under the IRP methodology, much of the cost upon which PURPA rates are based is driven by fuel prlces. Gas-fired generation is on the margin much of the hours of the year; conseguently, electric market prices are frequently closely tied to natural gas prices. A five year contract all-ows contract rates to be adjusted regularly to more accurately reflect current fuel prices. Moreover, a fixed price contract is more risky than one in which prices are adjusted frequent.Iy. A long-term fixed price could possibly be accurate just once during its term - at the beginning of the contract when the rates are first established. The shorter the term of the contract, the more frequently prices can be adjusted to ensure they accurately represent the true value of the power. A shorter term contract helps to minimize risk to ratepayers. O. Some people have argued over the years that PURPA projects, because the prices are establ-ished at the start of the contract term and are fixed for the 20 years of the contract, present l-ittle or no fuel-price risk compared to gas-fired generation acquired by utilities. Do you agree? A. No, I do not. Although there may be no price uncertainty associated with long-term PURPA contracts, 90s STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 1_3 74 15 t6 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-014/23/ts (Di) L4 STAFF that is not the same as having no price risk. Prices establj-shed at the start of a long-term contract coul-d prove to be too high or too Iow compared to other alternatives or to market prices in effect throughout the term of the contract. A long-term contract locks in those prices, regardless of what happens with market prices. Because 100 percent of PURPA costs are passed on to customers through PCAs, ratepayers are fuJ-1y exposed to the risk that PURPA rates prove to be too high. Fuel costs associated with utility-owned resources are also passed on to customers, partly through base rates and partly through PCAs. However, fuel costs are tracked annually and rates are adjusted accordingly. Consequently, while customers are exposed to fuel price risk for both PURPA and utility-owned resources, the annual adjustment of rates for utility-owned resources exposes customers to less risk for utility-owned resources than for PURPA resources. O. You stated earl-ler that ratepayers bear 100 percent of the risk when prices in PURPA contracts deviate from actual values of the power over the life of the contract. Why shouldnrt ratepayers bear 100 percent of the risk? Donrt they bear 1-00 percent of the risk for utility-owned resources? A. Ratepayers do bear nearly aII of the risk of 906 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 16 71 1B 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/75 (Dr) 1s STAEE utility-owned resources, except for relatively smal-l- portions that may be borne by the utilities through cost sharj-ng mechanisms buil-t into PCAs. However, because of the annual power cost adjustment mechanisms, the risk for utility-owned resources is less. In other words, the annual- adjustment allows costs to be bracketed more accurately. PURPA resources, on the other hand, receive revenue at fixed rates over long contract terms. I can think of few investments made by private j-nvestors in which the rates are fixed and the entire revenue is guaranteed for 20 year periods. Private businesses must almost always make thei-r own assessment of the risks and rewards for new long term investments. I don't think it should be much different when private businesses invest in PURPA projects. O. Do you agree that a long-term PURPA contract provides long-term price protection, or a "hedge" against high prices that can benefit ratepayers? A. It is certainly possible that this could occur, but it is also possible that long-term price certainty coul-d lock in high prices to the detrj-ment of ratepayers. As I stated, price certainty and price protection are not necessarily the same thing. O. Do you support Idaho Power's request to limlt 901 STERL]NG, R. 11 t2 13 I 2 3 4 5 6 1 x 9 10 74 15 t6 l1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 Z) rPC-E-15-01 4/23/75 (Di) 76 STAFF contract length under the IRP met.hodology to two years or PacifiCorp's request to l-imit it to three years? A. Although I agree with all- three util-ities' rationale for two or three year maximum contract lengths, I think it could potentially be so short that QFs who did sign contracts woul-d nearly be in perpetual- negotiation to renew conLracts. For some QFs, the negotiation process can take months or even more than a year. If many QEs signed short two or three year contracts, it coul-d be administratively difficult for both the util-ities and the Commission to review, approve, and manage these contracts. Therefore, for practical- reasons, I think a five year maximum contract length woul-d be more reasonable. Moreover, the risk associated wlth 2O-year contract is greatly reduced when using a contract of five years. O. Do you support Avista's request to limit contract length under the IRP methodology, similar to Idaho Power, but all-ow Avista the option to sign contracts for more than five years in length if a very favorabl-e opportunity arises? (Reference Kal-ich, Di at p. 3, l-ines 2-4) . A. For the same reasons just stated for ldaho Power and PacifiCorp, I think a maximum contract length of five years is more reasonable and manageable for all 908 STERLTNG, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 1_5 16 t7 18 19 20 2! 22 23 24 25 three utilities. With regard to Avistars request to be able to rPC-E-15-01 4/23/15 sTERl,rNG, R. (Di) 16a STAEF 909 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 t6 l1 1B 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/1,5 (Di) t7 STAFF sign contracts for a perlod of longer than five years in certain circumstances, I bel-ieve that option has always existed. I am not opposed to that option contj-nuing to be available for al-l- three utilities, provlded that contracts longer than five years can be justified, will benefit ratepayers, and are only used in very rare circumstances. O. What contract length have QEs historically chosen, both under the SAR and the IRP methods? A. The vast malority of QFs in the past have chosen the maximum contract length available at the tj-me, whether they were SAR or IRP contracts. Some QFs have chosen shorter contract Iengths, generally less than five years, in most cases because they did not want to be Iocked into certain rates for long periods of time. In some cases, QFs had some expectation that rates would i-ncrease in the future, but wanted to be able to be paid for generation in the meantime until a longer term contract coul-d be signed at more attractive rates. O. Do you know what the maximum contract length is for PURPA contracts in other states? A. I am not famifiar with all other states in the U.S. in which there is significant PURPA activity, but I do know that maximum contract length is currently 20 years j-n Oregon, Utah, and Wyoming. It is 25 years in 910 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 t6 17 18 L9 20 2! 22 23 24 25 Montana, but only five years in Washington. In areas where non- rPC-E-15-01 4/23/7s (Di) 77a STAFF 911 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 76 t1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/15 (Di) 18 STAFE utility generators have ready access to wholesale power markets such as PJM, ISO New England, New York ISO, California ISO, Southwest Power Pool and ERCOT, there is no mandatory purchase obligation under PURPA, thus, Do maximum contract length. a. Do you believe besides reducing contract the problem? there may be other options Iengths that could afso address A. The Commission, in Order No. 32691 suggested that. it believed other tools, besides shortened contract lengths, could be utilized to ensure an accurate and up to date avoided cost valuation. However, the Commission stopped short of suggesting what those tools shoul-d be. Trying to determine accurate avoided cost rates from the beginning of the contract is, obviously, a first step. Although I bel-ieve avoided costs are reasonably being computed today under the IRP method, I also bel-ieve that there may be additional- factors that are currentl-y not being considered. For example, sofar projects are currentl-y eligible for tax credits val-ued at up to 30 percent of the prolect cost. PresumabJ-y, the value of these credits is being real-ized by the owners or financiers of the projects, but is not being passed on to the utility or its ratepayers. If a utllity acquired a comparable solar project or its output through a 912 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1-1 t2 13 L4 15 L6 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 competitive solicitation, I woul-d assume the value of any tax incentives would be reflected in the purchase price and therefore passed on indirectly to ratepayers. Currently, tax incentives are not accounted for in the IRP methodology, yet they provide tremendous benefit to QFs. There could be other potential changes to the way in which avoided cost rates are calculated, but none would adequately address the real problem-rates becoming inaccurate over long contract lengths. O. Do you believe a periodic rate adjustment mechanism coul-d work, while maintaining QFs' option to choose 2l-year contracts? A. In theory, periodically adjusting rates throughout the term of the contract, say at two to five year intervals, could help to ensure that avoided cost rates in the contract remain accurate and reflect the proper value compared to the market or other alternatives. Similarly, indexing prices 1n the contract based on electric market indexes or fuel prices could accomplish the same thing. O. Do you believe QFs would find periodic rate adjustments acceptable? A. No, f do not. I expect QFs would view adjustable rates, either through reopeners or indexing,to be nearly comparable to short term contracts. Because rPC-E-15-01 4 /23 /7s (Di) t9 STAFE 913 STERLING, R. 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 16 t7 t-8 1,9 20 21, 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-15-0 I 4/23/Ls (Di) 20 STAFF prices are the slngle most important element in a contract, periodic adjustment of those prices cou1d be functionally equivalent to signing a new contract to QF owners and financiers. A. Do PURPA or FERC rules all-ow periodic rate adj ustments ? A. FERC and various courts have made clear that avoided cost rates contained in a PURPA contract cannot be modified after the contract has been signed, although neither the Idaho nor the U.S. Supreme Courts have hel-d as much. However, FERC rules do not specifical-ly address whether adjustable rate contracts are acceptable in instances in which the contracting parties agree in advance to an adjustment method and frequency. Consequently, I am uncertain as to whether FERC would find adjustment mechanisms acceptable. Because of this uncertainty, and because I believe QEs would view periodic rate adjustments as functionally equivalent to new contracts, I think shorter contracts are the best approach to reduce the financial or price risk of long-term contracts. O. Do you agree that PURPA projects will always be paid too much under 2O-year contracts? A. No, not necessarily. While it is true that avoided cost rates have exceeded comparabl-e market prices 974 STERLING, R. 2 3 4 5 6 '7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 16 l7 18 19 20 2! 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-l_5-01 4 /23 /7s (Di) 27 STAFE throughout most of the history of PURPA in Idaho, there have been times when this was not true. For example, during the extreme electrj-city price spikes in l-ate 2001-2002, market price far exceeded avoided cost rates for extended periods of time. Price compari-sons at any single snapshot in time are generally not valid projections over a long period of time. Contractual- avoided cost rates will nearly always be higher or l-ower than comparable market prices over the long-term such as 20 years. What is important is that the prices are close over the entire course of the contract term. Now that a few contracts have reached or are nearing their 20 or 35-year expiration, a comparison can perhaps be made. However, in my opinion, if avoided cost rates in any contracts have proven to be accurate over time, it has been just by chance, not by design. A. Do you think it is fair for utilities to be permitted to develop or acquire long-term generation assets, but to only be obligated j-n the case of PURPA resources to two, three, or five year contracts? A. Whenever a utility acquj-res a resource or slgns a long-term PPA for new generatJ-on, it must identify the need in its IRP, evaluate a range of alternatives, and procure the resource or contract through a competitive 915 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 L6 77 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 r PC-E-1 5-0 1 4/23/15 (Di) 22 STAFE process. Throughout the entire process, the utilityrs decisions are subject to j-ntense scrutiny by the Commission, intervenors, and other interested parties, including customers. If the utility cannot first demonstrate a need and second justify the cost-effective resource, it does not receive Commission approval to pursue the project. As examples of utility acquisit.ions of non-PURPA renewable projects, Idaho Power's Neal Hot Springs and Raft River geothermal PPAs and its Elkhorn Wind PPA were signed as a resul-t of geothermal and wind resources being identi-fied as preferred resources in the utility's IRP. Similarly, Avistars Pal-ouse Wind Project PPA and several PacifiCorp wind projects and PPAs were identified through the IRP process and acquired through subsequent competitive procurement processes. O. Was the procurement of thermal projects by utilities, such as Idaho Power's Langley Gul-ch project, PacifiCorp's Lakeside II, or Avistars Lancaster PPA any dj-fferent than the acquisitj-on process employed for renewables? Aren't those examples of long-term commitments that bind ratepayers for very long periods of time? A. Just like the renewabl-e projects previously discussed, the utllities' thermal facil-ities mentioned 916 STERLING, R. I 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 l6 L7 1B 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 r PC-E- 1 5-0 1 4/23/75 (Di) 23 STAFF above also had to pass intense scrutiny before the utilities were permitted to procure them. While it is true that util-itles are permitted to sign long-term contracts and secure long-term financing, for most projects there is no guaranteed complete cost recovery at fixed rates. For example, in the case of Idaho Power's Langley Gulch project, various costs of the facility are included in base rates for recovery over the life of the plant. However, fuel- costs, which can represent as much as two thirds of the total- cost over the facility's l-ifetime, are subject to annual- adjustment to the extent actual costs vary from what is included in base rates. Moreover, most of these thermal generating facilities provide other benefits such as dispatchability, varj-abl-e ramp rates, reserves and other ancillary servj-ces. PURPA projects, on the other hand, are treated differentty. They are currently entitled to long-term contracts at fixed rates. The utility is obligated to sign contracts at Commission-approved rates, with no consideration of need, with no competitive procurement process, and without regard to cost-based pricing. Recovery of PURPA contract payments by the utility is through a combj-nation of base rates and PCAs, but always at 100 percent. There 1s no adjustment to the avoided cost rates or to the amount authorized for recovery from 911 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 13 T4 15 16 71 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 r PC*E-15-0 1 4 /23 /75 (Di) 24 STAFE ratepayers throughout the entire term of the contract. O. Can PURPA cogeneration projects l-ike Simplot or Clearwater present additional- rj-sks over non-cogeneration PURPA projects? A. Perhaps. Cogeneration projects are always associated with some other industrial process besides generating electricity. Consequently, they face business risks independent of their el-ectric production. If the thermal- host for a cogeneration facility goes out of business, then the el-ectric productlon cannot continue. Some examples of this have been the Magic West facility in Glenns Eerry and the Yellowstone Power project at Emmett. O. Do you believe PURPA is an effective mechanlsm for utilities to acquire new generation? A. No, I do not. I believe PURPA was intended to permi-t relatively smal-l, non-utility-owned projects to be developed and to compete on an equal footing with utility-owned facilities. I do not believe PURPA was ever intended to serve as the primary, or even a major, mechanism for utility acquisition of new resources. Instead, at l-east for ldaho Power and perhaps PacifiCorp, PURPA resources have become major resources, forced upon them with no planning whatsoever. PURPA projects entirely circumvent the planning process and sometimes 918 STERLING, R 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 16 77 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 cause the utility to plan around them rather than planni-ng for them. r PC-E-1 5-0 1 4/23/1.s (Di) 24a STAFF 9L9 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 1,6 !7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4 /23 /75 (Di) 2s STAFF This creates a very awkward and inefficj-ent planning process and can lead to a poorly conceived generation fleet that is not in the best interests of ratepayers. Therefore, I do not support long-term contracts to encourage PURPA at a time when util-ities would not otherwise be making long-term commitments for non-PURPA generatlon resources. 0. Each of the utilities' petitions in this case have asked to reduce the maximum length of only IRP-based contracts; however, SAR-based contracts contj-nue to be eligible for 20-year contracts. Do you believe 20-year maximum contract lengths should contj-nue to be availabl-e to SAR-based contracts? A. Yes, I do. Twenty year contracts should continue to be avaj-lable for wind and solar projects smal-Ier than 100 kW, and for all- other project types smaller than 10 aMW. a. If maximum contract lengths are reduced to l-ess than 20 years in this case for IRP-based contracts, are you concerned about the difference in contract length between SAR-based and lRP-based contracts? A. No, f am not. Although there woul-d be a difference between maximum contract length for IRP and SAR-based contracts, I belj-eve such a difference is reasonabl-e. In the past, there have been instances in 920 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 I6 t1 1B 79 20 2t 22 23 24 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/15 (Di) 26 STAFF which contract rates and/or terms were much more favorable for SAR-based than for IRP-based contracts, and it has 1ed to QE devel-opers strongly preferring one contract type over the other. One recent example was the disparity in rates (either real- or perceived) between IRP and SAR rates, which led to disaggregation of large wind farms into smal-l-er 10 MW projects. In this case, most new PURPA projects are Iike1y to be solar, and the size l-imit or eligibility cap for SAR-based solar contracts is 100 kW. Because this cap is 100 kW, I be1ieve it is unl-i-keJ-y a QF would be disaggregated into such small pieces in order to qualify for SAR-based rates, ot more importantly, for 20-year contracts. The same would 11ke1y be true for wind proj ects . In addition, SAR-based projects do not represent a significant portion of the cumul-ative amount of PURPA generation. For example, wind and sol-ar projects (both under contract and proposed) account for more than 7973 MW of Idaho Power's PURPA projects according to Idaho Power Exhibit No. 1. Thus, the impact of SAR-based projects is very smal-l- in comparison to the magnitude of fRP-based projects. O. Does your proposal to maintain 2)-year contracts for new SAR-based projects also apply to 927 STERL]NG, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 t, 9 10 11 l2 13 t4 15 t6 l1 18 t9 20 2\ 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 4/23/15 (Di) 27 STAEF SAR-based contracts that will- be expiring and that desire new contracts? A. Yes, it does. O. Please discuss the number and timing of expiring SAR-based contracts. A. In the coming years, many existing PURPA contracts wil-l- expj-re and will- be seeking replacement contracts. Exhibit No. 101 depicts graphically the timing and number (but not the amount of generation) of QF contracts that will be explring. Each line on the graph represents a different contract. In the coming 10 years, 94 contracts will expire and could choose to be renewed. O. Why should SAR-based contracts be permitted longer contracts than IRP-based contracts? A. Nei-ther SAR-based nor lRP-based rates are Iikely to remain accurate over a 2)-year period. On a per kW basis, the risk for SAR-based contracts is exactly the same as for IRP based contracts. However, SAR-based contracts, because the project sizes are individually and col-Iectively small-, present much l-ess risk if contract rates prove to be too high or too l-ow compared to the actual value of the power. O. Should SAR-based replacement contracts be permi-tted 2O-year terms?A. Yes, I recommend that all SAR-based contracts 922 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L6 l7 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 r PC-E- 15- 0l_ 4/23/15 (Di) 28 STAFF be eligible for 20-year contracts, regardless of whether they are for new projects or for replacement contracts. SAR-based projects that are renewi-ng contracts wil-l receive the then current energy rates and capacity rates. Even though projects seeking replacement contracts presumably have already been financed and retired their debt, for consistency sake I think 1t is reasonable that all SAR-based contracts follow the same rules. Contracts that were initial-ly SAR-based, but at the time of contract replacement exceed the size threshold for SAR-based rates, should be treated as new IRP-based contracts but eligible for capacity payments throughout the entire contract term. O. Please summarize your recommendations. A. I recommend that the maximum contract length for standard IRP-based contracts be five years for Idaho Power, Paci-fiCorp, and Avista. I also reconrmend that the maximum contract length for SAR-based contracts remain at 20 years, both for new and for replacement contracts. O. Does this conclude your direct testimony in this proceeding? A. Yes, it does. 923 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 71 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 5/74/75 (Reb) 1 STAFF O. Please state your name and business address for the record. A. My name is Rick Sterling. My business address is 472 West Washington Street, Boise, Idaho. O. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? A. I am employed by the Idaho Public Utilities Commission as the Engineering Supervisor. O. Are you the same Rick SterJ-ing that previously submitted testj-mony in this proceeding? A. Yes, I am. O. What is the purpose of your rebuttal- testimony? A. The purpose of my rebuttal- testimony is to address several issues raised by Clearwater/Simplot witness Dr. Reading and ICL/Sierra Club witness Beach. O. Various witnesses have suggested that there is unequal treatment between QFs and utility-owned resources. Do you agree? A. I wou1d agree that QFs and util-lty-owned resources are not treated the same. However, much of the different treatment is because PURPA requires it. A significant difference is the pricing of QF generatj-on. PURPA dictates that the price or rate a utility pays for the purchase of QF power be based on the avoided cost of the utility-not the QEs cost of producing the power. In particular, a QE that places its facility lnto service 924 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 77 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 s/]-4/1.s (Reb) 2 STAFF bef ore January t, 20L7 wil-l- receive a 30 percent tax credit. This substantial tax credit is not reflected in the avoi-ded cost rate. Furthermore, most of the different treatment is to the benefit rather than the detriment of QFs. For example, the utility has a "must purchase" obligatj-on under PURPA whereas utilities may engage 1n arms-length bargaining when acquiring resources. In addition, QFS are entitled to contracts regardl-ess of a utilityrs need, whereas utility-owned resources must obtain a Certificate of Publ-ic Convenience and Necessj-ty, which requires a showing of present or future need and competitj-ve cost compared to other al-ternatives. Utility-owned resources must be competitively procured and are subject to cost-based pricing, whereas QF contracts are not subject to competition and non-negotiated pricing. Utility-owned resources are dispatched based on market prlces or the cost of al-ternate resources, but QF power must be accepted by the utllity whenever offered. Final1y, the fuel- and variabl-e costs of util-ity-owned resources are subject to annual adjustment through PCAs, but PURPA prices are fixed for the entj-re duration of the contract. O. Various witnesses (Reading pp. 25-26; Beach pp. 2L-25) have also suggested that PURPA projects, because of their fixed pricing, provide a val-uable risk hedge and 925 STERLING, R 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 d 9 10 11 1,2 13 74 15 t6 l7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 5/14/7s (Reb) 3 STAFF a benefit to ratepayers Do you agree? A. No, not entirely. QE pricing, because it is locked in for 20 years, mdy el-iminate price volatility, but it does not completely eliminate risk. QF prices that prove to be too high can be locked in to the detriment of ratepayers. Conversely, QF prices that prove to be too l-ow can be locked in to the benefit of ratepayers. In either case, ratepayers are stil-l- exposed to the same risk. PURPA projects can help to limit risk when market prices rlse to extreme l-eve1s, but they can also limit opportunities to take advantage of very low or declining prices for the benefit of ratepayers. Like all hedges, the critical- question is how much protection do you need and how much should you be willing to pay for it. Utillty-owned resources, on the other hand, are economically dispatched. In other words, they are only run when they are l-ess costly than other al-ternatives or when their output can be sold at a profit. O. On pages 10 and 11 of Dr. Reading's direct testimony, he quotes a passage from Commission final Order No. 32691 in the GNR-E-11-03. In that Order, the Commission declined to adopt a contract length l-ess than 20 years. Are the circumstances of the 207I case the same as in this case? A. No, they are not. fn the GNR-E-11-03 case, 926 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 16 77 18 t9 20 27 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 5/L4/75 Idaho Power proposed that the maximum contract length for all PURPA contracts be reduced from 20 years to 5 years. Tr. at 487, 489, 524 ("Idaho Power recommends that the fi-ve-year contract term apply to al-l- PURPA QF power sale contracts. " ) . In the GNR-E-11-03 case, Staff's position was that PURPA contracts be limited to five years for only those contracts util-izing the IRP methodology (i.e., above the SAR-based eligibility cap) . I testified that: "Twenty-year contracts shoul-d continue to be available to QFs under the SAR methodology." Tr. at 1107-08. So the Commission's statement quoted by Dr. Reading was also responding to Idaho Power's position that all PURPA contracts should be reduced to five years, regardless whether they used the SAR-based methodology or IRP-based methodology. In the present case, all the parties have agreed to continue 2)-year contracts for SAR-based contracts. In other words, the parties have agreed that SAR-based PURPA contracts will be unaffected by the reduction in contract length recommended for IRP-based contracts. O. Are there other reasons for the Commission to re-examine the length of IRP-based PURPA contracts? A. Yes, there are. Eirst, the Commission is a regulatory agency that performs legislative functions and re-examines regulatory policies from time-to-time. The (Reb) 4 STAEF 92'l STERLING, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I v 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 L6 77 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 atrZJ r PC-E- 1_ 5- 01 5/74/75 (Reb) 5 STAFF Commission is not bound to deci-de future cases in the same way as in past cases. As I recounted in my direct testimony, since PURPA was first implemented j-n Idaho, maximum contract length has gone from 35 years, to 20 years, to five years, and back to 20 years. The Commisslon can and should change policy as circumstances change. Second, at the time the Commission j-ssued its Order No. 32691 in the GNR case in December 2012, Idaho Power had less that 800 MW of nameplate PURPA power. Since the GNR case, Idaho Power reported that it had 467 MW under contract from sol-ar developers (including the 1-41, MW of recently terminated contracts in the Clark Solar I -4 projects) and an additional 885 MW of proposed solar development. See Idaho Power Ex. 1. Simply put, Idaho Power claims that it has more than !200 MW of contracted and proposed sol-ar projects in this case. This compares with the Company's peak l-oad of 3,400 MW, its minimum system load of L,073 MW, and its average system load of 1,800 MW. (Grow, Dir at 3; 20L3 IRP Appendix A). O. On pages 14 and 15 of Dr. Reading's direct testimony, he created a chart and purportedly compares the costs of Idaho Power's generating resources to the costs of PURPA projects. Do you agree with therepresentations made in his Chart No. 1 on page 15? 928 STERLING, R I 2 3 4 5 5 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L6 L1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 5/14/L5 (Reb) 6 STAFE A. No, I do not. In Chart 1 on page 15 of Dr. Reading's direct testimony, he compares the PURPA costs to the estimated capital and running costs of various Idaho Power-owned thermal- generation resources. While the comparison may be numerically accurate, it is extremely misleading because the resources being compared are very different types of resources. More specifically, when resource costs are compared on a cost per MWh basj-s, and certain resources generate substantially different amounts of MWhs, peaking resources, such as Bennett Mountain and Danskin, wj-11 appear far more costly than baseload resources such as Jim Bridger. Peaking resources, because they are used infrequently and generate few MWhs, will always appear far more "costly" than baseload resources when measured on a cost per MWh basis. Conversely, basis, peaking resources will always than baseload resources. on a cost per MW be less expensive In addition, Dr. Reading acknowledges that he omitted Idaho Power's l-owest cost resources-its hydro resources-from his cost comparison. He cou1d have incl-uded the hydro data by using an average over several years or normalized data. He also omitted hydro cost due to , in his words, "massive envj-ronmental remediat.ion." (Dir at 16). The failure to include hydro costssignificantly misstates the Company's power costs, 929 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 trJ 6 1 I v 10 11 72 13 t4 15 16 L7 18 1,9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 5/14/t5 (Reb) 1 STAEF especially where L,709 MW of hydro is inc1uded in 3,500 MW of nameplate capacity (Grow, Dir at 5). Fair and reasonable di-rect comparj-sons between the costs of different resources can only be made for resources with comparable capacity factors, and when the comparisons are made over the same periods of time. Comparisons either on a cost per MW or a cost per MWh alone basis (capacity or energy) should never be used to judge the cost effectiveness of particular resources. Similarly, cost comparisons in which only a portion of the duration of a contract are consi-dered are also usually inappropriate. Differences between PURPA contract rates and market prices may exist in specific years, but there is no certainty that those differences witl persist for the duration or remainder of a contract. O. On page 4, Dr. Reading has asked whether there are other viable opportunities for projects l-ike Simplot's and Cl-earwater's to sell their output to other buyers in the regj-on. Do you agree with his statement on page 5 that "aside from PURPA sal-es to utilities, neither Clearwater nor Simplot have a IegaI or economically viable market, retail or wholesale, to sel-I el-ectrlcity"? A. No, I do not. Conspi-cuously absent in his answer and anal-ysis is the possibility of either of these two entities selling their output to other util-ities in 930 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 76 t7 1B 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 r PC-E- 15- 01_ 5 /14 /75 (Reb) 8 STAFF the region. Cl-earwater and Simplot may be abl-e to operate in a similar fashion to exempt wholesal-e generators (EWGs) and sell- their output to other util-ities. For exampfe, Clearwater currently se1ls its output to Avista using a non-PURA contract.l Other renewable projects have sold their non-PURPA output to other utilities such as the wind farm in eastern Idaho (Goshen North Wind Farm) selling to a Cal-ifornia utility; Lucky Peak selling its hydro output to Seattle City Light or Palouse Wind selling its wind generation to Avista. Other renewabl-e generators have been successful in selling their output to utilitj-es without resorting to PURPA contracts including the Neal and Raft Rj-ver geothermal projects to Idaho Power and the Elkhorn wind project to Idaho Power in Oregon. O. CouLd Clearwater sell- 1ts output to another utility other than Avista under either a PURPA or non-PURPA agreement? A. Yes. As Dr. Reading notes on page 3 of his direct testimony, Cl-earwater's current 2013 agreement "provides Clearwater wi-th a l-imited right to terminate its 931 STERL]NG, R. 1 2 3 4 q 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 1,6 L7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 1 on May 13, 2075, Avista filed an Applicati-on seeking Commission approval of an amendment to Avista's contractwith Clearwater. The amendment proposed to extend thecurrent agreement by three additional years, in additionto permitting Avista to purchase incremental energy from Cl-earwater at negotiated prices when j-t j-s beneficial toboth partJ-es. rPC-E-15-01 5/L4/L5 (Reb) 8a STAEF 932 STERLING, R 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 1,6 L1 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 rPC-E-15-01 5/1,4/75 (Reb) 9 STAFF energy sales to Avista with 90 days' notice." (Reading, Dir at 3). Under the terms of its current power purchase agreement wlth Avista, Section 1 on page 2 of the agreement provides that: lf, during the Term of this Agreement, IClearwater]desj-res to sell- the output of the Generation to anythird party, IC]-earwaterl shal-l- terminate this Agreement by providing Avista wrj-tt.en noti-ce oftermination at l-east 90 days prior to suchtermination. The sale to the third party shal1 not coflrmence until- the date on which this Agreement is terminated. In the event that [Clearwater] desj-resto sell the output of the Generation to any thirdparty(ies), IClearwater] sha1l be responsibl-e for making all necessary arrangements to facilitate thesale of the output of the Generation to such third party (ies) . The Commission approved this contract in Order No. 32841 issued June 28, 2073 By the terms of this agreement, Cl-earwater clearly preserved the opportunity to seII j-ts output to a party other than Avista. o. fl-aw in unable Dr. Reading on p. 36 suggests that there is a the IRP computation methodology because it 1s to account for hours when market prices are negative and that the model instead assigns a price of zero when the actual avoided cost j-s negative. Do you agree that the model is flawed? A. I wou1d agree that the model should not be assigning a price of zero when prices are negative However, I would also point out that, despite possible 933 STERL]NG, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 1,4 15 76 t1 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 r PC-E- 1 5-0 1 5/t4/7s (Reb) 10 STAFF misconceptions, that the AURORAxmp model used to generate energy prices can, in fact, generate negative prices under certain circumstances. The Idaho Power spreadsheet that uses AURORAxmp prices as input shou1d then, in turn, be able to capture the effect of negative prl-ces. Nonethel-ess, while the capability to account for negative pricing existsr no negatively priced hours appeared in the AURORAxmp output used for pricing the 13 recent Idaho Power solar contracts, primarily because negative pricing is currentl-y not Iikely under average conditions used for PURPA pricing. O. Does this conclude your rebuttal- testimony in this proceeding? A. Yes, it does. 934 STERLING, R. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 76 l7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff (The followj-ng proceedings were had in open hearing. ) MR. HOWELL: And Mr. Sterling is available for cross-examination. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Let's begin with Mr. Richardson. MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CROSS_EXAMINATION BY MR. RICHARDSON: O. Good morning, Mr. Sterling. A. Good morning. O. At page 1 and line 18 of your prefiled direct testimony, you describe your duties at the Commission as belng "the lead Staff member on al-l PURPA dockets at the Commission since 1,994." Do you see that? A. Yes, I do. a. So you're the guy who j-s responsible to shape Staff's positions on PURPA cases? A. f don't do it by myself, but f rm the lead person, I have been. O. So you're in charge of deciding what the Staf f 's position will- be? A. No, T wouldn't quite put it that way. We 935 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 12 13 L4 15 L6 L1 18 19 20 2! 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff collectively as a Staff discuss issues and discuss positions and come to agreement. 0. But what does it mean to be the lead Staff person? A. Itrs one of my primary responsibilities. I have been a witness in nearly every PURPA case where Staff has participated in a hearing. O. And you're the Staff's policy witness? A. I'm the Staff witness and I can speak to some policy questions, yes. O. So reading your testimony, your direct and rebuttal Lestimony, sort of at the 35,00O-foot 1eve1, would it be fair to conclude that you would prefer to see the must-buy provisions of PURPA repealed? A. No, I haven't taken a position on that in my testimony. O. Well, dt page 24, l-ine L3, you were asked, "Do you believe PURPA is an effectj-ve mechanism for utilities to acquire new generation?rr Do you see that? A. Yes, I do. O. And what was your response to that question? A. No, I do not. O. So if you don't believe PURPA is an effective mechanism for utilities to acquire new generation, what is your position on the must-buy provision of PURPA 936 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 16 tl 18 1_9 20 21, 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff forcing utilities to buy QF power in light of the fact that you don't think it's an effective mechanism to acquire new generatlon? A. WeII, PURPA is a federal law that we must comply with. We don't create the federal law, 'rwe'r the Idaho Public Utilities Commlssj-on. We simply implement ir. A. Right, and I was asking you what your opinion 1s on the must-buy provj-sion of PURPA. Is it a good Iaw or is it a bad l-aw in your opi-nion? A. If structured and implemented properly, I think it can be a good 1aw. O. So you're aware, are you not, that federal law requires state commissions to encourage the development of QE projects? A. Yes, I am aware of that. O. So isn't that a bit awkward for you given your position that PURPA is a not an effective mechanism for utilities to acquire generation and you're the lead policy person on the PUC Staff implementing PURPA? A. No, I don't see the a conflict there. O. AII right; so on page 4 of your direct testimony, you quote from the Commission's Order in the generj-c avoided cost docket 1n which the Commission rejected your proposal to go to a five-year contract for 937 1 2 3 4 tr 6 1 8 9 10 11_ L2 13 L4 15 t6 L7 18 79 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff PURPA projects, and then you are asked basically what has changed in the two-and-a-hal-f years since that Order was issued such that the Commission should now adopt the same five-year contract limit that it rejected just a short time dgo, and your answer over on page 5 is that the recently rejected five-year contract term should now be adopted because Idaho Power has signed up 461 megawatts of new solar and has 885 new megawatts of pricing requests, and then you poi-nt out that PacifiCorp has recei-ved requests for 120 megawatts of new solar and has pricing requests for 275.5 megawatts. Do you see that? A. Yes. O. It'lou1d you agree with me that one thing that hasn't changed since the last avoided cost case where your recommendation for a five-year contract limitatj-on was rejected is your belief that the five-year contract term should be adopted? A. No, that hasn't changed. I took a position of five years should be the maximum contract length in the O. And that's stil-I your posi-tion today; correct? A. Yes, it is. O. So looking back at your answer on page 5, again to the question of what has changed, does it strj-ke you 938 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 l4 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff as significant that there is no mention of Avista Corporation in your answer? A. No. O. What are the equj-valent numbers for Avista on new solar and pricing requests? A. To my knowledge, Avista has no proposed QFs, sol-ar QEs, that are pending or proposed. O. So on the bottom of page 8 to the top of page 9 of your direct testimony, you were asked whether a five-year contract term would limit QEs' ability to obtain financing and thus make extensive project development unlikely, and you respond in part by noting that facilities could still be developed by other mechanisms; correct? A. Yes. O. Well, you would agree wj-th me, wouldn't you, that it's still- illegal in Idaho for me to generate and seIl el-ectricity to my neighbor? A. You're not allowed to sel-l retail without being regulated as a utj-1ity. O. On page J.t, beginning on line !1, you state that EERC rul-es do appear to contemplate less than 2O-year contracts. Do you see that section? A. Yes, I do. O. In fact, if you go to l-ine 19 on page 11 and 939 1 z 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff put a quote mark in front of the word 'rtorr and then go down to line 20 and change the word "information" to "data" and then go down to line 27 and put a quote mark after the word "derive, " you would have a verbatim word-for-word quote from 18 CFR 292.302(b); correct? A. I donrt have the FERC regulations in front of me. O. WeIl, you quoted the FERC regulatj-ons in your testimony, did you not? A. I donrt know if the wordsmithing that you suggest would exactly match without seeing them side by side. O. I didn't bring the CFRs with me, but woul-d you accept, subject to check, that that's a verbatim word-for-word quote from CER -- 18 CFR 292.302(b)? A. Subject to check, yes. a. And on line 24, if you put quotes in front of the word "pIan" and over on to page 72, l-ine 2, if you put quote marks after the word "yearsr" that's a verbatim word-for-word quotation from 18 CFR 292.302(b) (2) . Didn't you quote the EERC regulations in your testimony? A. I may have come very close to that. I didn't put quotation marks around -- O. Wel-l-, subject to check, if you put quotes 940 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 12 13 t4 15 t6 t7 18 L9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERL]NG (X) Staff around the words f just said, it's a verbatim word-for-word quotation. Is that a coincidence or did you just quote the FERC regulations without citating them? A. It ' s j ust a co j-ncidence, I suppose . O. It's just a coincidence, okay; so are you saying that because EERC requires five years of energy data to be made available that it is contemplating a five-year PURPA contract term? A. No, that's mischaracteriztng my testimony. O. WelI, what is your testimony saying about contract terms and the FERC regulations that you coincidentally quoted? A. I think it's very clearly l-aid out in my testimony, if you'd like to refer me to a specific line. O. I'm talking about page 7L, l-ine Ll , through page L2, line 2. "EERC rules do appear to contemplate Iess than 2)-year contracts, " so what term do FERC rules contemplate? Something l-ess than 20, perhaps five? A. Less than 20 is what I state in my testimony. O. Eor energy I'm quoting you at page LL, l-ine 21, "For energy, util-ities are required to estimate the energy component of avoided costs by year for the current year and each of the next five years. " What's the relevance of that statement in terms of contract 947 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLTNG (X) Staff length? A. I think it's a suggestion that FERC was contemplating terms that are less than 20 years. O. Perhaps five? A. Perhaps. O. Okay, thank you. Then it is also true that in Section 18 CFR 292.302 (b) (2) that you quote coincldentally that because 10 years of energy and capacity data has to be made available that FERC is also contemplating a 1O-year contract term; correct? A. Yes. O. So over on page L2 at l-ine 72, you were asked if there are other reasons why you believe that the maximum contract should be shortened to five years. Do you see that? A. Yes, I do. O. And you respond with a discussion of the larger fuel risk associated with a gas-fired SAR as opposed to the prior coal-fired SAR; correct? A. Thatrs correct. O. But this is not a new argument, is it? In fact, you just cut and pasted your fuel risk argument from your generic avoided cost testimony two years agoi correct? A. I don't recaII. 942 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 L6 L1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff O. So I have a copy of your testimony in the generic avoided cost case from two years ago and I coul-d read that into the record and would you accept, subject to check, that it's essentially identical? A. Subject to check, yes, I would. O. Okay; so nothing has changed, has it, in your reasoning about the fuel risk argument since this Commission rejected that argument just two years ago? A. For the fuel risk argumentr Do, nothing has changed. O. Okay, then on the bottom of page 13, you were asked about the price risk associated with a long-term contract as yet another reason to adopt your recommended five-year contract term, but, agaj-n, you made the same argument two years ago and it was rejected by this Commission, and in fact, this section of your testimony is largely just cut and pasted from your testimony two years o9o, so my questi-on to you is but nothing has changed in your price risk argument between now and when it was rejected two years d9o, has it? A. o. A. No, f wouldn't agree. What has changed? We have hundreds or thousands of megawatts collectively amongst the three utilities that are proposing sol-ar contracts. The price risk associated 943 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Y 10 11 L2 13 74 15 76 t7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 STERLING (X) Staff with those contracts is much greater now than it ever has been, and I've explained that in my testimony. O. So going over to page 18 at line 6, you're asked, "Do you believe there may be other options besides reducing contract lengths that could al-so address the problem"; so when you refer to "the problem, " is it fair to return to page 2 of your testimony at line 72 where you state, "I believe the real- issue is the risk exposure to ratepayers that can occur due to long-term PURPA contracts"; is that what the "problem" is? A. In my opinion, y€s. O. But in your answer to that question on page 18, Iine 6, you spend most of your answer talking about ways util-ities could possibly capture solar tax credits from developers. Can you explain what the relati-onship is between tax credits and contract length? A. There have been suggestions in the case that we should address cost j-ssues, avoided cost pricj-ng j-ssues, rather than contract length and I'm responding to that suggestion that has been made by various witnesses that pricing is the real issue here, not contract length, and that's the contexL in which this portion of my testimony was offered. O. So pricing j-s the real issue, not contract Iength? 944 2 3 5 6 1 8 9 10 1l_ t2 13 L4 15 t6 71 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff A. It's a combination of the two, but prici-ng is an issue that other witnesses have brought up, and so Ifm simply speaking to that. O. Did I mishear you say that pricing is the real issue, not contract length? A. It's a combination of the two. O. If you solve the pricing j-ssue, does the contract length issue go away? A. They're both issues, because as I state in my testimony, I don't think for a 2)-year contract that you can maintain accurate pricing. O. Right, but A. If you could possibly maintain accurate pricing for 20 years, then contract length may not be an issue, but I don't believe that you can do that; therefore, I think pricing and contract length both together are issues. O. So if you have a pricing mechanism that you can true-up on a periodic basis, does that sol-ve the contract length j-ssue? A. It could. O. And Dr. Reading proposed a contract pricing readjustment mechanism, did he not? A. I believe he did in his rebuttal testimony. O. Towards the bottom of page 3, line L9, I think 945 1 2 3 .l 5 5 7 U 9 10 11 t2 13 14 15 t6 l1 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-5198 STERL]NG (X) Staff that's your rebuttal, right, it's your rebuttal- testimony, page 3, l-ine 19, you were asked whether the circumstances of the recently concluded generic avoided cost docket where the Commission rejected your five-year contract argument are the same as in this case, and over the next two pages you respond. You first point out that in the generic docket, there was a dispute over whether the contract }imitation shoul-d apply to al-l- or only IRP-based PURPA contracts, and you note that in this case itrs different because we have agreed that we're only discussing IRP-based contracts. Then you point out that the Commission can and does change its mind from time to time, and thatrs on page 4, line 23. Finally, over on page 5, beginning on Iine 15, you state "Simply put, Idaho Power cl-aims that it has more than L,200 megawatts of contracted and proposed sol-ar projects j-n this case"; so in your opinion, L,200 megawatts of proposed and solar proposed and contracted solar capacity j-s enough to trigger a reduction in contract length to five years? Did you conduct an analysis as to where the line should be drawn as to how much is enough to trigger a contract length reduction? A. No. O. So you don't know if Idaho Power had 600 946 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 L6 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff megawatts of proposed and contracted solar that that would be sufficient to trigger a contract length reduction? A. I haven't specified a certain level- of megawatts. O. But is that because you haven't changed your position from two-and-a-ha1f years ago that the contract length should be five years and not 20? A. I wouldn't say i-t's because of that. O. But nothing has changed in your opinion, has ir? A. As f explained previ-ously, we have hundreds or thousands more megawatts proposed than we had two years ago. That's what's changed. O. So your position on contract length hasn't changed? A. No, it hasn't. O. And that position was rejected by this Commission just two-and-a-hal-f years ago; correct? A. Yes, it was. O. And you're highly crj-tical of Dr. Reading in his presentatj-on of his chart on page 15 of his testimony, and that's at page 5, l-ine 25 of your testimony. Irve got to get that reference correct. You are critical of Dr. Reading's chart on page 15 of his 947 1 2 3 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 t1 18 L9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff testimony; correct? A. Yes. O. And one of the primary objections you have is that Dr. Reading incl-uded peaking resources on his chart that shows that PURPA projects are cheaper, less expensive, than some of Idaho Power's own resources; correct? A. Yes. O. So if we concede your point and remove the two peaking resources from Dr. Reading's chartr we are stil-I left with the fact that PURPA resources are l-ess expensive than Idaho Power's most recent state-of-the-art gas-fired base load unlt Langley Gulch, aren't we? A. I stil-l- think that's a mj-sunderstanding of the data that's used to create those charts. O. But you conceded that Dr. Reading's calculations are correct, didn't you? A. f've never spoken to the correctness of his numbers. O. I believe you do. A. I'm not disputing that they're incorrect. I just never addressed that. O. So finally, you note on page '7 to 8 of your rebuttal testj-mony that QFs like Simplot or Clearwater could sell their output to other utilities in other 948 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 !2 13 L4 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff states. Would you agree that that's not always as easy as it seems? A. I can't respond to a generalization like that. MR. RICHARDSON: Madam Chair COMMISSIONBR KJELLANDER: Yes, Mr. Mi1ler. MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Chaj-r, may I approach the witness with a document? COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Certainly. (Mr. Adams distributing documents. ) MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Chair, I'm handj-ng out Idaho Power's petition for a declaratory ruling in the matter of Idaho Power Companyrs petition for a declaratory ru11ng regarding PURPA jurisdiction and -- MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, could we have a mi-nute untj-l I've been provl-ded a copy of that? MR. RICHARDSON: Of course. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Certainly, and while we're allowing that to be distributed, Ietrs look quickly, this would be, to the extent that you want it marked and identified, 209. MR. RICHARDSON: f'm not going to mark it as an exhiblt, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: You're not, okay. MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you. 949 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 1,6 t7 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Howell, do you have a copy now? MR. HOVIELL: I do. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Okay, Mr. Richardson, if you'd like to proceed. MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. O. BY MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Sterling, this is a copy of an Idaho Power petition for a declaratory order on file in an open docket before this Commission in which Idaho Power responds to Kootenai E1ectric's attempt to do exactly as you suggest, whi-ch is to move power to another state. f 'm wondering if you would please read for the record the paragraph beginning at the bottom of page 8. No, not page 8, the paragraph beginning at the bottom of page 5. MR. SCHMIDT: Mr. Chairman, my copy just has every other page; is that COMMISSIONER RAPER: Odd pages only. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: MT. Schmidt has identified the fact that we don't have all the pages here, good catch, and Mr. Richardson, in lieu of running out and grabbing all the even numbered pages, do you have any questions associated with the even numbers? MR. RICHARDSON: I have a complete copy here, which I can provide to the witness. 9s0 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 76 71 18 L9 20 21 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s1-98 STERLING (X) Staff COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Why don't we get that to the witness and see if we can get through this without having to break to make more copies. MR. RICHARDSON: Yes, I apologize for that, Mr. Chairman. THE WITNESS: Itrs not me. I have page 5. It's the other parties that are going to need page 5. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Is he golng to need page 6? MR. RICHARDSON: He will need page 6. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Then he wil-I need a copy. MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, I'd l-ike a copy as weII. MR. RICHARDSON: So if we could take a break -- COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Okay, at this point where we wil-I be is taklng a ten-minute break and j-n ten minutes let's all head back here with brand-spanking new copies that actually have all- the pages, and with that, then we can go off the record. (Recess. ) COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: We will now go back on the record and, Mr. Richardson, you have since the break distributed a revised copy with all of the pages, odd and even, and as I recall-, you were referencing a 951 1 B 1 2 3 4 5 6 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 t6 t7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff questi-on to Mr. Sterling that was associated, I believe, with page 5, so f will- l-et you continue, but if you could start with the question that you had asked Mr. Sterling to read a paragraph that I believe began on page 5. MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. O. BY MR. RICHARDSON: To reset, restart here, the question, Mr. Sterling, was finally, you note at page 1 to 8 of your rebuttal testimony that QFs like Simplot or Clearwater can sel-l their output to other utilities in other states, and my question was you would agree with rTr€r would you not, that 1t's not always as easy as it seems, wouldn't you? A. And I think I responded that I can't respond to a generalization like "as easy as it seems." I don't know what you mean by that. O. And in response, I handed out Idaho Power Company's petltion for a declaratory order regarding PURPA jurisdiction in Case No. IPC-E-1,1,-23, and it's a petition for a declaratory order, and this asks the Commission to take judicial notj-ce that this j-s a petition in an active docket currently before this Commissj-on, and I was asking you to read the paragraph that begins on the bottom of page 5, and I'11 just represent to the Commission that this is a matter where Kootenai Electric Cooperative was attempti-ng to do just 952 I 2 3 4 q A 1 B 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERL]NG (X) Staff what Mr. Sterling was suggesting, whj-ch is sel1 its electric output, its QF electric output, to a utility in another state, and woul-d you please read the paragraph beginning on the bottom of page 5? MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to object to the line of questloning. I think asking a wj-tness to read from a document that is not prepared by Staff, but is a petition prepared by another party in this case is l-eads to confusi-on about whether the witness would agree or not agree wlth the statement. As the Commission is aware r or hopefully aware, that Idaho Power in this particular case filed a petition not only in Idaho, but in Oregon and the Commission in this case has done nothing but issue a notice of petition. There have been no Staff comments filed in this case. There have been no further proceedings by the Commission in this case. This matter has reached resol-ution as far as I know because it was a matter that was decided ultimately by FERC regarding Kootenai Electrj-c's petition against the Oregon Public Util-ities Commission, so whether this case is open or closed, I think it's confusing to ask a witness to read a paragraph from a petition, from a document, that the Staff has never prepared, that the Staff has never opined on, that the Commission hasn't had any further proceedings oD, and 953 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 76 t1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff as far as I know, this matter j-s closed. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Richardson. MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ft's interesting that counsel for the Staff would object to admission of this document to show that it is in fact difficu1t and challenging to move your power from one jurisdiction to another. We're not here to I'm not offering this to prove, one, that Idaho Power was correct or Idaho Power was wrong, that the docket is open or the docket is closed. I'm offering this exhibit, this document, to demonstrate to Mr. Ster1ing the answer to my question, which is it's not as easy as it seems. When one entity was attempting to move their power to another utility 1n a different state, this was the response they 9ot, dealing with multiple years of litigation before this Commission, the Oregon COMMISSIONER RAPER: Mr. Richardson, if you choose to testify in this regard on this document, f think it's something that you might choose to include in closing statements, but we have a witness on the stand that's waiting for questions from you. MR. RICHARDSON: And he has a question before him to read the paragraph begi-nning on the bottom of page 5, which I think is a legitimate response to his direct testimony and that's my response to counsel-. 95A 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 t7 18 L9 20 2! 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: For purposes of just moving forward, I don't have a significant bit of consternation with regards to Mr. Sterling reading that paragraph, recognizing the objection that was brought in by Mr. Howel-l and also understanding that Mr. Sterling was not the author of thisr so if it helps us move forward and we coul-d hear your loveIy voice attached to those words which are not yours, Iet's go ahead and do it and 1et's move on. THE WITNESS: "Kootenai E1ectric's proposed transaction is a bl-atant manipul-ation of PURPATs rul-es and regulations by a QF developer in order to financially profit to the direct and substantial- detriment of Idaho Power's customers. Kootenai- states 1n its demand letter to Idaho Power that it has attempted to obtain an Idaho QF contract with Avista, but has 'reached an impasse which would require litigation to resolve.' Attachment 1-, page 2. Thus, Kootenai Electric seeks out any strained argument it can find to try to avoid addressing the real- problems associated with obtaining a QE contract 1n the jurisdiction where both its project is l-ocated and where it interconnects to the transmission grid. Kootenai Electric's proposed transaction stretches the bounds of legltlmacy, and such manipulatlon has the possible practical effect of saddling Idaho customers 955 1 2 3 q 6 7 8 9 r-0 11 72 13 t4 15 16 t7 18 79 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff with additional costs and higher power rates which exceed Idaho Power I s avoided costs. " MR. RICHARDSON : Mr . Chairman, that I s al-l I have. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you Olsen. MR. OLSEN: Yes, I have just a few questions CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS. OLSEN: 0. Mr. Sterling, turning back to page 2 of your direct testimony, you've already taLked a lot about this between the prior generic case that you had testifled in and with Mr. Richardson and everything, given the fact that you had in the prior generic case suggested a five-year contract term and are also suggesting, I believe, if I understand your testj-mony, as one of the tools or one of the ways the Commission can address this issue is a shorter contract term as we1l, you also have talked about a pricj-ng mechanism and I would just like to try t.o, I guess, put a connecting theme here. Would it be fair to say that your testimony could be summarized as follows: Long-term contracts would be acceptable if avoided cost pricing coul-d be accurate over the long Mr 956 term; however, the avoided cost pricing is not accurate over the long run and thus, some shorter mechanism must be put in place to a1low contract prices to be adjusted; is that a fair summary of your position? A. Yes, I think that's a reasonable sunrmary. O. So just, again, for the record, is it your posi-tion that the contract term should be limited to fj-ve years as opposed to the two-year limit suggested by Idaho Power and the Irrj-gators? A. Yes. MS. OLSEN: I have no further quest j-ons. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, and Mr. Adams. MR. ADAMS: Yes, I have just a few questions for Mr. Sterling. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Please proceed. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. ADAMS: O. Good morning, Mr. Sterling. A. Good mornJ-ng. O. So were you here yesterday when Mr. Allphin testified that a QE that signed a two-year contract with Idaho Power today would not be compensated for 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 t6 L7 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff 957 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 U 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 76 l1 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff capacity? A. Yes, I was here yesterday. O. Do you agree with that statement? A. Could you repeat the statement? O. That a QF that signed an IRP-based methodology contract to begl-n del-iveries in 2076 would not be compensated for capacity. A. That's true if the contract was signed today. O. And how about a flve-year contract? A. That would still be true. O. Okay. Whatrs the date, what's the cutoff date, where the QF would start getting capacity under Idaho Powerts current rates? A. I believe it's 2025. O. Okay, and what j-s Avista's? A. Irm not sure. O. Does 2021 sound about right? A. Yes. a. So you testify in your direct testimony on page 11 regarding FERC's rules for contracts, contract length, and you conclude that there's no specific requirements under PURPA's regulations regarding contract length; correct? A. That's correct. O. So do you think the Commissi-on coul-d shorten 958 1 2 3 4 q 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff the contract length to be as short as the Commission chose? A. Yes, I do. In fact, they've done it before. They've shortened contract length on multiple occasions. 0. Do you think two years would be okay? A. My position or my recommendation is that it be five years. O. Okay, wel-l, I'm just asking you in the context of page 77,Iines 11 to 14, where you state that there's no specific limit to how short it could be. I'm just wondering if you think that it could be, sdy, one year or sj-x months or one day. A. I'm just observing that the EERC rules do not specify. O. So there's no l-imit at all in the FERC rul-es? A. None that I see. O. Would you agree that at some point we're realIy just talking about a short-term energy onJ-y rate that the QF is being paid with these shorter contract terms? A. It depends on when the contract is signed. It depends on the duration of the contract, and it depends upon whether the utility needs capacity during that same time frame, but if the utility does not need capacity during the time frame or the term of the contract, then, 959 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 t"l 18 t9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff y€s, it wou1d probably be just an energy only contract. O. Okay, and you did review the FERC regulation; correct? A. Yes. O. Okay, but j-sn't it true that 18 CFR 292.304 (d) (2 ) provides the QF with the option to sell- energy or capacity over a specified term? A. That's true. O. But the QF wouldn't be abl-e to sell capacity under the shorter term contract lengths under the cj-rcumstances existing today? A. What I think the FERC rul-es provide or requlre is that if capacity is provided and j-t is needed by the utility, it has some value, then the utility must pay for ir. O. Okay, moving on to page 71 of your testimony, you discuss PURPA rules in other states and you suggest that the Washington in Washington they only allow five-year contracts. You also reference 2)-year contracts in Oregon, Utah, and Wyoming, and 25-year contracts in Montana; do you remember that? A. Yes. O. What did you review with regard to the five-year contracts in Washington? Did you revj-ew a tariff or orders? 960 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t-6 !7 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff A. I don't recall reviewing anything. I think that was what f was tol-d verba11y. 0. Oh, okay. Did you know that PaciflCorp's five-year contract term tariff in Washington provldes the QF compensation for energy and capacity during that entire term? A. I'm not aware of thatr rlo. MR. ADAMS: f'd like to approach the witness with a document, Mr. Chairman? COMMISSIONER KTIELLANDER: Do you have both even and odd pages? MR. ADAMS: I think I do. I promise we have both even and odd pages this time. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Then please proceed. (Mr. Rj-chardson distributing documents. ) O. BY MR. ADAMS: So Mr. Sterling, is this the Pacific Power Schedul-e 37 tariff for Washington; is that what t.his document states? A. It appears to be, yes. MR. ADAMS: Okay, I'd move to admit this into the record as Exhibit 209. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Without objectj-on, we will mark and identify this as Exhibit 209. MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, Irm not sure a proper foundation has been Iaid for this. This witness 967 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 t7 18 L9 20 21 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff didn't necessarily agree that this was Schedul-e 37 from a PacifiCorp from a Washington frm not even sure what state. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: We have an objection, so i-n response to that MR. ADAMS: Wel-l-, ye s, my response is, you know, the witness did testify as to what the contract term is in Washington. This is the Washington tariff. To the extent that Mr. Howel-l- doesn't believe it's an authentic copy of PacifiCorp's Washington tarj-ff, I think he I think the witness coul-d stil-l- review this document and teIl us what it states with regard to whether QFs are paid for capacity for the entire five-year term. MR. HOWELL: Wel-l-, Mr. Chairman, Irm not sure that these are the entire pages. I don't think a proper foundation has been l-aid for this document. It's dated in 20LL. I'm not sure there's been any subsequent updates from that. MR. ADAMS: If you'd turn to the second pa9e, Mr. Howel-l-, it ' s ef f ective Eebruary 2 8 , 2074 . MR. HOWELL: !{eJ-I, I guess that's my poj-nt, Mr. Chairman. What purports to be Original Sheet 31.7 is issued Ln 20L7 and apparently 37 .2 is in 2013 and 'L4. Again, the witness stated that he was aware only of a 962 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 76 L7 18 t9 20 21, 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (208 ) 890-s198 STERL]NG (X) Staff five-year term, and Irm not sure that the proper foundation has been laid for the introduction of this exhibit. MR. ADAMS: WeII, then in that case, if the exhibit won't be a11owed, I woul-d move to strj-ke the l-ines of Mr. Sterling's testimony stating that the Washington Commission has five-year contract terms for lack of foundation because the witness stated that he didn't read any documents. He just heard that from someone else. MR. HOWELL: I think earlier in this hearing Mr. Clements testified on behalf of Rocky Mountain Power that Washington does indeed have a five-year PURPA contractr so there is testimony in the record by another witness that Washington has a five-year contract. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Let me jump in quickly here and I appreciate the robust nature of the debate thatrs been made amongst the two of you and al-so the civilj-ty associated with it. Let me just ask this question of you, Mr. Adams: Is there a way without putting this in play to go ahead and ask the specific questi-on you want to get to to get to the end game? MR. ADAMS: Yes, that would be fine. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Then let's do that, okay? 963 a. BY MR. ADAMS: Mr. Sterling, could you turn to the second page of the document? A. I 'm there. O. What does it state after the number 7 there, the avoided cost rates? A. After avoided cost rates there's a table with three columns. Two of the columns say capacity payments by year; the third co1umn is energy payments by year. O. And each year has a capaclty payment beginning 2014; is that correct? A. That's correct. MR. ADAMS: Okay, no further questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Miller. MR. MILLER: Mr. Chaj-rman, I'm confident that my intervenor colleagues are going to possibly plow as much ground as can be plowed with this witnessr so I don't have any questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Otto. MR. OTTO: Thank you, Mr. Chaj-rman. I do have just a few questions. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1_0 11 L2 13 74 15 16 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff 964 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 T2 13 L4 15 1,6 71 t_8 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 STERLING (X) Staff CROSS-EXAM]NATION BY MR. OTTO: A. So Mr. Sterling, you testified in your writj-ngs and here today that you're the lead Staff person on PURPA issues and the avoided cost model as part of that; is that correct? A. Yes, it is. a. And 1s it your understanding that under this model, the capacity payments begin when the utilities identify a resource deficiency date? A. That's correct. O. Is it your understanding that the energy component 1s based on the utility's incremental avoided cost in each hour? A. Yes. a. Thank you. You also testified in writing and here today that the real- risk is about thousands of megawatts of proposed QEs; is that correct? A. Yes. 0. Did you observe the Idaho Power IRP development? A. The 2015? O. The 20L5 development. This may help. Specifically the day where Mr. Allphin explained PURPA to 955 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 t6 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTTNG (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff the IRP advisory committee, were you there that day? A. I don't recall specifically, but I think I only missed one meeting and I don't bel-j-eve that was the meeting you're talking aboutr so I think I was there, yes. O. Okay, and how does the does the IRP, Idaho Power's IRP, does it forecast future PURPA development? A. o. No. And why not? not? A. Because the IRP process is a planning process for the utility to determine how its how the best way to meet anticipated load is, and it i-n planning has to rely on what it knows it can count oDr and when it comes to PURPA projects, they take what comes, whether it comes or whether it doesn't come, when it comes, however much comes. It' s not within the control- of the utiJ-ity and so the utility doesn't plan for it. O. So what I heard you say is that in the fRP, is that whatthey can't count on any future development; you just said? What's your understanding of why itrs almost will- come A. Generally, yes. O. But in this case your position is certainty that these thousands of megawatts onl-ine? 966 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 t6 t1 18 19 20 21. 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 STERLING (X) Staff A. I havenrt stated that. a. It's the risk that that will happen? A. That's true, y€s. O. Now, turning to your direct testimony on page 2, lines 18 through 24, you say that it's -- wel-I, let's make sure we get this right. Oh, I have it right here. You say you don't believe that any avoided cost cal-culation can prove to remain accurate over a 20-year period. Do you see that? A. Yes, I do. O. And you stand by that? A. Yes, I do. 0. On page 9 in l-ines 72 through 16, actually all the way through !9, you cite to several power purchase agreements. Do you see that? A. Yes. O. Do you know the term of those power purchase agreements? A. I donrt recall wlth each specific project mentioned, but i-t's either 20 or 25 years. O. Are those fixed price contracts? A. Yes, I believe they are. O. And do you believe those benefit ratepayers? A. Yes, I do. MR. OTTO: Thank you. That's all. 967 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 1,6 t1 18 79 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Okay, I guess I'm just not used to hearing the word thank you, I appreciate that. Mr. Sanger. MR. SANGER: No questions, Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. MR. SANGER: You' re wel-come . COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: MT. Hammond. MR. HAMMOND: Just a couple, Mr. Chairman. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. HAMMOND: O. You testified to the thousands of potential megawatts that have been or projects that are seeking to come online. How many of those projects at this point have come online? A. Thi-rteen, I believe. O. Thj-rteen? And how much do they represent? How many megawatts do they represent? A. WeIl, the 13 projects collectively represented, I believe, 461 megawatts, and four of those 13 have since been terminated and those four, I believe, are 160 megawatts collectively. O. And maybe I shou1d clarify, maybe Irm not understanding. I guess when I'm saying online, they're 968 2 3 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 L6 71 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff delivering power to the utilities. A. Irm sorry, I misunderstood. O. I'm sorry. A. None of them are yet online. O. So at this point therers no megawatts being delivered on these thousands of proposed projects; is that correct? A. That's correct. O. Okay. We've heard a lot of testimony and positions made in this case about sort of what is bel-ieved to be a bal-ancing of PURPA, that PURPA is the Commission is supposed to encourage the development of these projects through PURPA, but, on the other hand, the utilities have expressed the principle, and maybe I'm saying things inaccurately, but ratepayers should be indifferent to PURPA power coming onl-ine, they shouJ-dn't be paying too much; is that a fair assessment of the test j-mony you've heard? A. Yes. O. On page 2, you've made the point, page 2 of your direct testimony on line 14, startj-ng at line 74 through line t7, you make the point that long-term contracts, by themsel-ves, would not necessarily be problematic; is that correct? A. Thatrs correct. 969 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 L6 t1 18 79 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff O. Wou1d a fair and balanced way to deal with PURPA to address the Commission's duty or obligation to encourage PURPA development, while at the same time providing a mechanism by which ratepayers wil-I be held indifferent, if prices -- if you updated avoided cost prices on a more frequent basis, could that address that concern and provide that bal-ancing by itself of those two goal s ? A. o. A. Let me clarify your question a bit. Sure. Thank you, Irm sorry. When you say update the avoided cost prices, are you talking about updating prices periodically in an existj-ng contract or for new contracts going forward? O. Either one, either scenario. A. Wel-l-, we do already and have for many years updated avoided cost rates going forward as they would apply to new contracts, but once a contract has been signed, those contracts do not get changed, at least modern contracts do not get changed, for the term of the contract. If we had a mechanism in an existing contract to periodically update those rates, that could perhaps resolve some of the problems that we have now. MR. HAMMOND: Thank you very much. I have no further questions. COMMfSSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr 910 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 76 t7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 STERLING (X) Staff Hammond. Ms. Nunez. MS. NUNEZ: Thank you, Mr. Chair, I do have a few questions. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS. NUNEZ: O. Good morning, Mr. Sterling. A. Good morning. O. Based on your 20 plus years of experience working in PURPA pricing and risk assessment, can you please comment on how the Commission and the utility companies have analyzed the environmental- harms of energy production, such as air and water pollution, habltat degradation, and climate change in the context of risk assessment and pricing analysis? A. Wel-l-, we don't do any risk analysj-s as part of PURPA pricing and we do not al-so incl-ude any of the other things that you mentj-oned in consideration of PURPA prices. a. Do you believe that the Commission has authority to consider the risks and costs associated with such environmental consequences when they're acting in the public interest? MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to object 917 1 2 3 5 6 1 o 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 t6 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 8e0-s198 STERLING (X) Staff to the question as being beyond the scope of this wj-tness' direct and rebuttal testimony. He's already testified there's no testimony in his prefiled rebuttal or direct that discusses environmental issues with the pricing of avoided costs. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr. Howell. Ms. Nunez, can you direct the witness to a page or a l-ine number? MS. NUNEZ: The scope of my quest j-oning is about the ful1 gamut of the risks to Idaho ratepayers when making decisions about the type of energy generation that utility companies will be doing in the future, so it is linked to his testimony in the sense that he has experience working with the Commission and the utillty companies on risk assessment and PURPA decisions, so that's the link. I'm not alleging that therers anything about environmental issues in his testimony. MR. HOWELL: And I woul-d renew my objection. This witness has already testified that avoided cost rates do not incl-ude any cost-benefit analysis or the balancing of environmental issues in the calculation of avoided cost rates. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: And Irm incl-ined to agree wj-th Mr. Howell- in this one. Ms. Nunez, if there's a way to get at the questioning that you want if you 972 1 2 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 76 t7 18 t9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s1-98 STERL]NG (X) Staff coul-d direct the witness to a page number and lines within his testimony, that would be greatly appreciated. MS. NUNEZ: I actually did get the answer to my question, which is that these environmental harms aren't included in the conversation. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Well-, fair enough. Letrs move oo, then. Is that it? MS. NUNEZ: That's it. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Arkoosh. MR. ARKOOSH: No, thank you, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Schmidt. MR. SCHMIDT: No, thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Are you regretting that you showed up here? MR. SCHMIDT: No, I'm enjoying it. I wish I would have been here yesterday. This is a very nice atmosphere and I enjoy being here. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Wel-l-, we hope you can find your way back. MR. SCHMIDT: That remains to be seen. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Idaho Power. MR. WALKER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 913 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L6 L1 18 79 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. WALKER: O. Mr. Sterling, I'd just l-ike to follow up on the Washington tariff sheet that was presented to you. Do you still have that with you? A. Yes, I do. O. And on page 2 -- well, first of a1I, on the front page nor strike that. On page 2, Mr. Sterling, do you see this is where counsel previously had you read the avoided cost rates? Do you recal-l- that? A. Yes, I do. O. Do you see No. 7 under the terms and conditions above that? MR. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to object to this. This is not cross-examinati-on. This is more in the form of redirect examination. Itrs more along the lines of friendly cross, I think. I was pretty 1imited in what I was allowed to ask, so I don't think itfs fair for Mr. Walker to fol-l-ow up with questions himself . Mr. HoweIl cou1d, I suppose. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Mr. Wal-ker, having not heard your question, it's difficul-t for me to assess whether it's friendly cross, but as I recall, it was a very l-imited response that Mr. Sterling had to a question 974 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 1_3 t4 15 t6 t7 18 L9 20 2! 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff in which he read a specific line. Can you attach it to that specific response? MR. WALKER: Yes I was simply going to ask him, Mr. Chairman, to read the numbered item 7 on that same page that counsel had him read from in response to his question. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: I'11 al1ow that. THE WITNESS: "The avoided cost rates are fixed for five years. However, these rates are recalculated every year and applicable to any seller that enters into a power purchase agreement with PacifiCorp in that year." COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Does that conclude your questioning? MR. WALKER: I have one foIIow-up question. O. BY MR. WALKER: Mr. Sterling, is there you read the capacity and energy payments, is there any indication here of what the utj-lity's capacity sufficiency or deficiency position was to establish these rates ? A. Not that I can see, but, you know, this j-s a Washington tariff that has no standing in Idaho. MR. WALKER: I have no other questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Avista. MR. ANDREA: One question, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: If you coul-d move a 975 I 9 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 t2 13 L4 15 1,6 77 18 79 20 21, 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (X) Staff microphone cl-oser to you. Thank you. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. ANDREA: O. Good mornlng, Mr. Sterling. A. Good morni-ng. O. I just want to follow up, a1so, on the questioning on the Washington PURPA rates. It was suggested that, and I don't reaIly know because I don't have the tariff sheet, PacifiCorp does include capacity payments in its Washington five-year contracts. Are you aware that Avista does not include a capacity payment in its five-year Washington PURPA contracts? MR. ADAMS: f'm going to object itrs beyond the scope and potentially friendly cross. f don't know what Mr. Andrea j-s trying to COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: I'm very much inclined to agree. I appreciate the questj-oning, but it certainly does sound like something that would be better addressed in redirect. MR. ANDREA: That's fine, Mr. Chairman. I was just trying to have a complete record as to the Washington rate, but I withdraw the question. Thank you. 916 t_ 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 L4 15 16 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (Com) Staff COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: I appreciate that and thank you. MR. ANDREA: No further questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Letrs move to Rocky Mountain Power. MS. HOGLE: Rocky Mountain Power has no questi-ons. Thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Are there questions from the Commission? COMMISSIONER RAPER: I have just one. EXAMINATION BY COMMISSIONER RAPER: O. I'm going to ask Mr. Sterllng to speculate and see if my former boss Mr. Howell wants to object to my question to the witness. Mr. Sterlingr orr page 11 of your direct, line 7, therers a sentence that begins, "Long-term contracts based on forecasted rates create greater risks for customers because the rates in the l-ater years are not reflective of avoided costs"; so my question to you based on that statement is, don't you believe that FERC took into account those considerati-ons of long-term contracts when it talks about underestimations and overestimations eventually balancing 977 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11- L2 13 74 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 21, 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLING (Di) Staff out? A. I believe that it did, although I still would submit that neither PURPA nor FERCTs rul-es implementing PURPA specify contract length, so while FERC may have contemplated overestimations and underestimatj-ons of avoided cost ratesr w€ don't know whether those overestimations or underestimations would be for a period of one year, two years, fj-ve years, 20 years, 30 years, but y€s, I do think they thought about overestj-mations and underestimations and whether in fact they would balance out or not. COMMISSIONER RAPER: Thank you. That's all. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. There being no further questj-ons from the Commissj-oners, we move now to redirect. Mr. Howe11. MR. HOWELL: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. o. Exhibit A. o. A. HOVIIELL: Mr. Sterling, do you have what's been marked as 209 in front of you? Isita The Washington tariff Schedule 37. Yes, I do have that. 918 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 16 t7 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 STERLING (Di) Staff O. All right, and could you look at the first page of that under the paragraph l-abeled "Avail-ability"? MR. ADAMS: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to object again. I think this is beyond the scope of what I was all-owed to ask and it was not admi-tted as an exhibit either over Mr. Howel-l-'s objection, so to go beyond the scope of the questions I asked, I think, wou1d be unfair. MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, I don't think it's beyond the scope. Whether it's admitted or not, there was cross-examination on this specific exhibit that is purportedly a Pacific Power tariff schedul-e and so I think I'm within my rights to ask upon redirect about this specific tariff. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: I appreciate that and I guess thatrs the risk you run of bringing a document in on the l-ast dry, so f 'm going to a1low the question. MR. HOWELL: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. O. BY MR. HOWELL: So Mr. Sterling, turnJ-ng your attention to what, I guess, purports to be the front page under the heading "Availability" A. o. tariff apply Iess than two A. It I see that, yes. if you were to read that, doesn't this to cogeneration/smaII power production of megawatts or two megawatts or less? appears that wdy, yes. 919 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 l4 15 L6 t7 18 L9 20 21 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 STERLTNG (Di) Staff o. tariff A. o. rates, Pacific there? So for purposes of IRP in ldaho, would this be applicable to IRP methodology calcul-ations? It coul-d appfy to a sma1l number of projects. And turning over the page on the avoided cost there's no indication, is there, about whether Power was in j.n a surplus capacity situation, is A. There's no indication on the tarj-ff, no. O. Fina11y, Mr. Richardson asked you about your criti-cism of Dr. Reading's Chart No. 1 and the calculations by includlng Idaho Power's peaker plants in the power costs. Do you recollect that testimony? A. Yes, I do. O. Isnrt it true that that was not your only critlcism of Dr. Readingrs Chart No. l? A. Yes. O. And what was your other criticism? A. WeII, I think my other criticism related to the fact that you can't just compare costs between resources that way. Under the IRP methodology, the modeling looks at an hourly dispatch of all the resources in the utillty's fIeet. In some hours, a QF may be displacing a coal pIant. In other hours, it may be a different coal- pIant. In other hours, it may be a gas plant. In other hours, it may be a peaking gas p1ant. In other hours, it 980 I 2 3 4 5 6 1 U 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 1,6 t1 18 L9 20 21 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-sl-98 STERLTNG (Di) Staff may be market purchases, so it's a whole collection of resources that go into the determination of avoided cost rates under the IRP methodology, and to compare very different resources with very different capacity factors, very different operating circumstances is just not a valid comparison. O. And to drill down on your answer, wasn't one of your criticlsms that this chart omitted any costs from the Company's hydro generation? A. Yes. MR. HOWELL: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have no further questions. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr. Howel-I, and that completes our witness list for this case. (The witness left the stand. ) COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: As I mentioned yesterday, it would be my hope that there would not be a request for briefs on this case,' lnstead, we would have some closing statements. Does anyone have another approach that they would l-ike to take? Is anyone bent directly on the path of wanting to file briefs and feel- comfortable that we coul-d do it through the approach of closing statements? Good. With that in mind, would it be appropriate to perhaps take a ten-minute recess to 981 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 B v 10 11 72 13 t4 15 t6 7'l 18 L9 20 2t 22 z3 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 allow people to gather their thoughts, and just before we break, if I coul-d briefly just get a quick show of hands from those who want to be incl-uded in that process so I can kind of guesstlmate when to te11 my friends that I ' d Iike to have l-unch. I'l-l- tell them tomorrow. Eair enough, we wiII go off the record and return in ten minutes. (Recess. ) COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: WelI, welcome back. We'Il- go back on the record. Even if you didn't raise your hand that you want to make a closing statement, we're going to go through and allow everybody an opportunity to get there. The only privilege of being a former Commissj-oner and now being 1egaI counsel- representing clients before us is that we either rea11y like you or just want to get you out of here, so l-et's start with Mr. Miller. MR. MILLER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. f guess I would note that I noticed this morning that the Commission's policy on payment for coffee doesn't seem to exclude former Commissi-oners. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: But it's a fu1Iy embedded service. MR. MILLER: Thank you very much for the accommodation. By way of j-ntroduction, 1et me point the 982 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 6 '7 Commission to the fact that we have filed the testimony of Mr. Van Gulik in this case who provides a feet-on-the-ground perspective regarding the difficul-ties of developing PURPA solar projects and the current status of the viability of that market at current prices. No party fil-ed any testimony rebutting Mr. Van GuIik's testimony and no party cross-exami-ned Mr. Van Gulik in any serious way yesterday, so rather than review that testimony with you here, I would just ask that during the course of your deliberations you again review Mr. Van Gulik's unrebutted testimony. Second, I appreciated the Chairman's explanation to the public the other night at the public hearing where the Chairman explained that the Commission approaches cases such as this in a judicial way; that is, that its decision must be based on evidentiary facts in the record such that any decision would be sustainable as based on substantial- and competent evidence, so approaching that case approaching that case in this wdy, the first question obviously is who has the burden of proof, and the answer to that is obvious; that is, it is the utility companies' burden to introduce into the record sufficient facts to justify a departure from a long-standing policy of the use of deployment of 20-year contracts. CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 B 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 L6 L7 1B 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 983 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 75 t1 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 The policy was upheld just two years ago despite requests to change it then. Of course, the Commission is not bound strictly by stare decj-sis, but at the same token, any change from existing policy has to be based on facts that are in the record before the Commission, so what are the relevant facts that are before you as the result of this hearing? The first re]evant fact is that a two- to five-year contract would bring renewabl-e development under PURPA to a halt. ,M.. Van Gulik's testimony on this point is unrebutted. Several other witnesses made the same polnt. The utility companies and the Staff don't contest this fact, because that is their intended result. Although there was some testimony that some QF projects such as existing industrial gas plants might be able to -- might prefer shorter contracts, there is absolutely no evidence in the record to rebut the point that two-year, two- or five-year, contracts wou1d bring new renewable development under PURPA to an end, so what are the other facts that are in the record that bear on this issue? The first fact is that currently there are zero megawatts of renewable sol-ar PURPA onl-ine and producing power to fdaho Power Company. Ms. Grow confirmed that on cross-examinati-on. What are the other rel-evant facts? 984 COLLOQUY a 9 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 11 72 13 t4 15 76 L1 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 They can be derived from Exhibit 11. Page 2 of Exhibit !1, if you have it with you, shows that from January through April of 2015, the number of renewabl-e megawatts under contract has declined rather than increased. The number of renewable megawatts under contract went from 401 to 260. The other relevant facts disclosed by Exhibit 11 are on page 3, and this is reaIly the heart of the utility companies' case and exhibit -- page 3 is a l-ist of PURPA projects that the Company has labeled as proposed solar, but if you go beneath the surface of this exhlbit, certain other facts emerge as discl-osed by Mr. Adams' very professional cross-examination yesterday and my meager efforts at cross-examination, but the facts that emerge when you go beneath the surface are that of the 41 projects l-isted here, only 74 provide enough information to even reach stage one of the Idaho Power contracting process. Of those, only two received indlcative pricing for 20-year contracts. Mr. Allphin indicated in his testimony that perhaps one had gone to the stage of actually requesting a contract, but zero of these projects entered into serious negotiations and ever executed a final and binding contract. Mr. Allphin resisted my efforts or suggestion that perhaps this exhibit should be, which is COLLOQUY9Bs 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 14 15 t6 77 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 labeled proposed PURPA should be, somehow relabe1ed to be an more accurate reflection. I would suggest the best better l-abel for this exhibit woul-d be a list of tire kickers. That's a 1ega1 term. The next fact that is, I think, undisputable is that the IRP method as it currentl-y works is sel-f-correcting; that is, it is producing prices such that the demand for sofar PURPA projects is decreasing as previous projects come on1ine. Mr. Chairman and Members of the Commission, Senator Patrick Moynihan was famously quoted to saying, "You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts," and if you want to put a bipartisan tone on it, President Reagan was famously quoted as saying, "Facts are stubborn thingsr " and the facts as they exist in this record are insufficient to support a change in policy that has been in place for many years. The util-ities have the burden of proof and they have failed to carry their burden of proof. Those are my meager thoughts. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr. Mi-l-l-er. Mr. Ol-sen. MR. OLSEN: We have a few comments. As the Irrigators, we're obviousl-y a big consumer of this electricity. We're not producers of the PURPA projects, 986 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 tr 6 1 8 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 16 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 and one thing that's troubling out in Mr. Yankel's testimony to us and what was pointed that it doesnrt appear that certain resources would be necessary at this point in time and the Company would be forced to buy the output of these projects, notwithstanding the fact that theyrre not needed, and herein lies the crux, I think, of the issues is this policy issue needs to be addressed by the Commission, because to require the forced purchase of this, notwithstanding j-t's not needed in their resource stack, I think is not logical or fair, just, and reasonabfe to the Idaho ratepayers, and so we woul-d encourage the Commission to look at all the factors that have come out in these proceedings and rule what you think would be fair, just, and reasonabl-e. Thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Schmidt. MR. SCHMIDT: Thank you. There is a reason I came. I did want to get on the record why Micron is participating, but l-et me first say what we're not doing. We're not here to oppose or support any particul-ar project, whether it be a cogeneration project or a solar project, but we are here merely as a customer. We're the largest customer on Idaho Power's system and the cost of buying power from Idaho Power is a slgnificant operating cost to us. We don't typically participate in these t- 981 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 !4 15 76 77 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 cases unless we percej-ve or see that that cost may be affected and we're askj-ng that you at least take into consideration the impact that your a..i"io., in this docket may have on t.hat cost. Now, as I have reviewed the record and, fortunately, my partner who was here yesterday, sent me about 35 pages of notesr so I think I followed most of the cross-examination 1n intimate detail, maybe more than f wanted to at 11:00 o'clock last night, but as I look at the record in this case, it seems to me that you have a couple of important decisions to make. One is the main one is the length of the contract term. I had initially intervened in this case thinking there may be a 1ot more attention or j-nterest in the calculatj-on of the rate and how avoided cost is done, because I'm not here to teII you that your method is wrong or inaccurate, but my experience shows that there's a l-ot of other ways that it can be done and they're al-l perceived as fair, so there. is a 1ot of dj-scretion that this Commission has under PURPA, even though PURPA is a federal mandate. I've been working on three decades, but PURPA does contract term that you need to your discretion. Idhether you PURPA-type cases for over not mandate the actual i-mplement. That i-s within choose 20 or whether you 988 COLLOOUY choose five or even as l-ow as one, I think in this record maybe you can only go as l-ow as two, but I think that's up to you, and it should be based upon what you believe is j-n the best interests of not just the utilities and the developers who are all here who want to build more projects, but also the customers that you have to look out for as well, and Trm pleased to hear there is another customer represented in the room. f thought we were one of the only ones and that's why Micron wanted to participate is we wanted to make sure that you don't l-ose sight of customer effect in your decisions here, because PURPA does have effects. It's intended, and f think the last witness who testified made this cl-ear even throuqh the cross-examination, the customers are supposed to be indifferent and indifferent means PURPA should not hopefully in the short term and certainly not 1n the long term cause us to pay higher costs. ft's intended to avoid costs that we otherwise would have to pay that the utility incurs. That's the concept of avoided costs. It's a very simple concept. It's a very logical concept, but it gets messy in the way in which you implement the specifics of it. Now, the facts are we have an excess capacity situation. When there is excess capacity, you would not let Idaho Power buil-d another power pIant, you should 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 T6 t7 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (2oB ) 890-s198 989 COLLOQUY 8 9 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 11 t2 13 L4 15 L5 L7 1B 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 not, because capacity is not needed. In those circumstances, hopefully, you didn't get too far overcapacity, but as we know, capacity is lumpy sometimes, so we just added into the system Langley Gul-ch just a few years ago and Langley Gulch has put us in a very nice situation. The circumstances in the region al-so have us in a very nice circumstance. Customers should benefit from that. Why? Because they paid for Langley Gul-ch to go into their rates and it impacts our rates. Secondly, w€ know that the rates that are recovered by PURPA projects are passed through dollar for dollar, so the utility doesn't profit on that, which I think is appropriate policy and it's consistent with most of the states in the country j-n the way they handle these type of contracts, but to pass through therefore, 1t passes through not just energy, but energy and capacity, costs through your annual- adjustment mechanj-sm. Customers l-ike Micron are high load factor customers, so they pay one could argue a disproportionate share of that, but they pay more j-n their rates because they are high l-oad factor customer for that portion of the rates than they do as other portions of the rates change over time and less frequently, so we're not saying that we think there's an obvious decision here that you should 990 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 B 9 10 11 !2 13 t4 15 L6 t7 18 19 20 2! 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 make that dictates one result or another. We think it's solely within your dj-scretion and we would only ask that you make sure you consider what the impact can be on customers, particularly in the near term, because every time you change a rate that impacts a customer Iike Micron maybe five percent, that's goj-ng to impact over mi1lions of dollars of our operating costs. That will affect Idahors economy. That will affect our ability to hire more employees or contj-nue with the labor force we have. A lot of other factors come into that, but energy is a big one and that's why we're here. We care about whether our costs are going to stay stable, so I don't know if the record in this case makes cl-ear enough what the impact on our rates will be, but I do know from experi-ence that if you add capacity into rates when capacity is not needed, at l-east in the near term, you end up paying higher costs. If you generate power when other power has to be avoided or not used because it can't be dispatched, you impact costs, so if those costs impacted severelyr we ask that you consideration in making a decision with your policy of whether this is with a 2O-year contract term or not COMMISS]ONER KJELLANDER : are going to be take that into whether you continue the time to continue . Thank you. Thank you. 997 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 L7 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 8e0-s198 Ms. Nunez. MS. NUNEZ: Thank you. The Snake River Al-Ij-ance believes that a decision by the Commission to halt the development of renewable energy exposes fdaho ratepayers to economic risks that have not been adequately analyzed. The testimony of Ken Mil-l-er elaborates on the discussion that we think needs to happen, especially when defining what Idaho needs. V'le believe that the technlcal and political j-ssues associated with integrating large amounts of renewabl-e energy are resolvable by the many brill-iant minds we have in this state. We encourage ambition and optimism and an accelerated commitment to a cl-ean energy future for Idaho. We thank everyone for holding the space and offer our support in this i-mportant process. Thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Sanger. MR. SANGER: Thank you, Commissioners. For the record, my name is Irion Sanger. I'm the attorney for Renewable Energy Coal-ition and Renewable Energy Coalition recommends that any relief you adopt in this proceeding not appfy to QFs under the rate eligibility cap; in other words, contract terms shoul-d not be reduced for QFs, sol-ar and wind QEs, 100 ki-lowatts and be1ow and any other 992 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 9 10 11 l2 13 74 15 L6 L1 1B 79 20 27 22 23 Z4 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 QF 10 megawatts and below While REC has concerns about the allegations raised by the util-lties in their filings, we do commend Idaho Power for not recommending that contract terms be reduced for small QFs. Avista also is not facing a large amount of PURPA development and we understand that thelr position is primarily that they want whatever rel-ief is provided to ldaho Power Company and Rocky Mountain Power. Therefore, you have both Avista and fdaho Power which are either supporting our view that you don't extend any rel-ief to smal-l- QFs or not opposing that. Al-so, Staff has recoflrmended that smal-1 projects not have their contract terms reduced. The only party in this proceeding that has a different view is Rocky Mountain Power. Now, we recoflrmend that Rocky Mounta j-n Power' s proposal be rejected because they have not provided any evidence to meet their burden of proof that any of their problems are being caused by small projects, nor have they provided any evidence that ratepayers wil-l be better off i-f you reduce the contract terms f or smal-l QEs. Now, as explained in the testimony of the Coalition's witness John Lowe, most existing projects on the system right now are smal-l- hydroelectric projects wel-l under the size threshold for pubJ-ished rates. Now, 993 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 77 18 t9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTTNG (208 ) 890-s198 the util-ities rely upon these projects to provide needed energy and capacity. They include them in their lntegrated resource plan and they provide significant seasonal benefits to the utilities as wefl as being major parts of the Idaho agricultural economy and the local communities in which they operate in. Now, I think the record is pretty cl-ear that these small QFs under the rate eligibj-lity cap are not causing any of the prob1ems that have been alleged 1n this proceeding. Essential-ly, we would not be here if there was not a large amount of proposed sofar development. This proceedlng would not exist. Now, Paul- Cl-ements, Rocky Mountain Power's witness, sLated in his rebuttal- testimony that the primary concern of Rocky Mountain Power that led to its position 1s that currently it has tons of proposal-s for new QF projects to provide power that is not needed to meet the customers needs. Mr. Clements also has his Exhibit 601 which identified B9 new proposed projects. As he explained yesterday, there's only one of those projects in Idaho, which is not a wind or solar project, and there's only two projects which are not wind and solar proposed projects in the entire six-state service territory; therefore, therers no allegations t.hat non-wind and solar or small projects are causing any 994 COLLOQUY 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 r-0 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 L'7 18 1,9 LU 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTTNG(208) 890-s198 harm. Mr. Clementsr rebuttal testimony also did not respond to Renewabl-e Energy Coalition witness testimony, did not respond to John Lowe's allegatJ-ons and discussions of the harms that woul-d be caused by shortening the contract term for small projects or why smal-l projects are not causing any of these difficul-ties; therefore, we simply don't believe that Rocky Mountain Power has submitt.ed evidence to support the breadth of its recommendation in this proceedj-ng, and we don't at Ieast as it applies to Rocky Mountain Power, we don't see their petition as a thoughtfully thought-out proposal to protect its ratepayers. Instead, it seems to be part of an overall strategy to reduce its PURPA obligations. The parent company, Berkshire Hathaway, is trying to repeal PURPA at the f ederal- l-evel. Pacif iCorp has proceedings in nearly all of its states that are either initiated or completed trying to reduce its PURPA obligations, so we thj-nk the Commi-ssion should consider this overall strategy of PacifiCorp and Rocky Mountain Power when looking at the breadth of their proposal. Now, the Coalition recognizes that there's an unprecedented and unique circumstance here with all of the new sol-ar development proposals and we recognize the Commission may want to take some sort of action in this 995 COLLOQUY 2 3 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 1_3 t4 t-5 L6 t1 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (208 ) 890-5198 proceeding. We don't necessarily agree with all of the recommendations made by the utilities, but we do believe there is a legitimate issue here. Our recommendation woul-d be that the Commission open a generic proceeding to investigate these issues. The utilities have framed this as proposing only one potentj-aI solution and there could be other potential sol-utions that would address things better. One of the main issues that people have discussed is the question of need. What do you do when a util-ity doesn't need new projects? WeI1, shortening the contract term can reduce the number of projects, but it doesn't reaIIy get at the heart of the key issue that the utilities keep bringing up, so we woul-d reconimend that you open a proceeding up and l-ook at these issues more broadly and try to think of different sorts of solutions, weigh them, and then decide which soluti-on best meets the probl-ems that the utilities are facing. If the Commission is golng to take action based on the record here, however, we do recommend that any relief that you guys decide to adopt not apply to small projects under the rate eligibility cap. Thank you very much. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Richardson. 996 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 76 77 18 79 20 2L 22 23 24 25 MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, thank you. Commissioner Kjellander, Commissioner Raper, appreciate your patience and indulgence in hearing us out today and yesterday. I'm handing out a page from Rocky Mountain's petltion in this matter, page 20, just for ease of reference so you don't have to dig it out, and as they Sdy, a picture is worth a thousand words, and I think this graph on Rocky Mountain's page 20 of its petition speaks very loudly. It shows all the potential- projects that Rocky Mountain is facing in its different j urisdictions . Of course, Callfornj-a is bl-ank because it's under an RTO and the must-buy provisions of PURPA do not apply in Cal-ifornia. A11 the other jurisdictions that Rocky Mountaj-n operates in have potential projects, except for notably one and that's the State of Washington, zero wind, zero solar, zero other, zero total-, and we know Rocky Mountain operates in Washington State and Washington State has a tariff, Exhibit 209. It shows that QFs get paid capacity and energy, but no QF has been successful in Washington State, and whatrs the controlling factor there is they have a fi-ve-year contract, So I think the evidence is pretty cfear that if you go to a five-year contract, you are going to kiII the QF industry in the State of ldaho, and you need l-ook no CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 991 COLLOQUY 2 3 4 5 6 1 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L5 L7 1B 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 further than the State of Washington and thej-r implementation of PURPA. Clearwater Paper Corporation is Avista's Iargest customer and we appreciate our rel-atj-onship with Avlsta and value it very highly, but we're also kind of l-ike the largest credj-tor or bank. We need the bank to be healthy and we need the creditor to be healthy. It's a symbiotic relationship. We are dealing after all with state sanctioned monopolies. Itrs i11ega1 for Clearwater Paper to try to buy power f rom someone el-se. Werre abl-e to cogenerate and sel-l- our power to Avista under PURPA and we're al-so currently selling our power to Avista under a non-PURPA agreement, but Clearwater Paper wants to preserve its options to be able to sel-l under PURPA to Avista, to Idaho Power, to PacifiCorp. Cl-earwater Paper Corporation operates in a competitive market for al-l- of its products that it buys and that it sel-Is, except for electricity, and we think it's clear now that the dust has settled that there is no imminent or even distant threat to Idaho Power or Rocky Mountain Power or to Avista of being overrun with unchecked solar or wind projects. The IRP methodology for setting avoided cost rates has actually proven to be resilient and sends appropriate price signals. As Staff witness Sterling 998 COLLOQUY I 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 L6 71 18 79 20 2t 22 23 .ALA 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 noted on the stand today, this morning, the price is the k"y, not the contract length, and the IRP can even be made more resil-ient by updating it for to account for all- QFs in the queue, and this woul-d more appropriately send the correct prlce signals during large j-nfluxes of new QFs. I also think the compromi-ses offered by Dr. Reading on behal-f of J.R. Simplot Company and the Clearwater Paper Corporation were very reasonable and I would ask the Commissioners to seriously consider adoptlng them instead of dropping the contract term. Dr. Reading proposed a fixed 20-year capacity term with an update to the energy component after 10 years. This aIl-ows the QF to be compensated for avoided capacity, while at the same tlme it addresses some of the concerns raised by the util-ities on the probl-em that brought us here. If you are convinced that you need to take action, you should focus only on the alleged culprit, which is the variabfe and intermittent sofar and wind projects, So reduce their contract term if you must, but please take cogeneration out of the crossfire between the utilities and the sofar project developers, and I don't really need to point it out, but cogeneration, in addition to being a hiqhly efflcient way of producing 999 COLLOQUY 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 1,2 13 L4 15 t6 77 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 electricity, actually makes Clearwater Paper Corporation's products it makes more valuable and more profitable and, hence, makes it a more stable and economic, efficient driver in north Idaho's economy, so thank you for your consideratlon and I'd be happy to respond to any questions you may have. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. I don't think we are going to wander into questioning, but we do sure appreclate that. While we've got the microphone next to Mr. Adams, why don't we 1et Mr. Adams provide us comments. MR. ADAMS: Thank you, Chairman Kjellander. The J.R. Simplot Company, of course, agrees with Mr. Richardson's comments and I won't go j-nto great detail repeating that. I just want to hlghlight some additional points that we are concerned that based on the evj-dence that has been presented in the case was either initially overstated or has proven to become overstated with regard to the solar contract requests, and then second, I was going to briefly discuss our position that the util-ities' proposals and the Staff's proposal, aIso, for two-, three-, and five-year contract lengths would be inconsistent with FERC's PURPA regulations. First, ds to the statement in the case, Idaho Power filed this case because it had 461 megawatts of 1000 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 71 18 t9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 PURPA contracts, sol-ar contracts, executed and approved to be online in 2076 and an additional 885 megawatts of PURPA sol-ar capacity in the queue that they stated were actively seeki-ng PURPA energy sal-es agreements. Yet, it's undisputed there's no solar QFs online right now, and since that time the C1ark Sol-ar 1 through 4 contracts have been terminated, and Idaho Power's overal-l solar contract total- is down to 320 megawatts between Idaho and Oregon currently. Additiona1ly, as Mr. Richardson mentioned, the IRP methodology is sending significantly lower prices to new projects that come along in the queue, and the reason for that is that the point at which the QFs are getting compensated for capacity has been pushed out in the calcul-atj-on because of the higher-queued QEs, which we belleve the design of that was to address the issue of building capacity on the system when it's not needed, and the QFs are simply not going to be compensated for capacity until it's projected that the utility will need additional capacity. Another fact for the Commission's consideration is that the federal tax credits for sol-ar power are going to be reduced significantly in 2016, further reducing the ability of these prospective solar contracts to be developed. We're concerned that ldaho Power's request t-001 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 1_3 T4 15 t6 L7 18 19 20 2L 22 z3 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 for relief woul-d affect al-l resource types and undermine longstanding Commissj-on policy providing the opportunity for QFs that are economically viable and can seII electricity at the avoided costs, so we ask that the Commission take a step back and conslder those facts in the record at this point before addressing the question of whether the contract term should be shortened to two, three r ox five years. And moving on to the second pointr we do believe that doi-ng that woul-d be inconsistent with FERC' s regulations under the facts of this case. The utilities and the St.aff have suggested that there is no 1imit, there's no lower limit to the length of a fixed rate contract under FERCTs regulations. We do disagree with that. The critical- regulation here is 18 CFR 292.304 (d) (2 ) subpart 2. That's the legally enforceabl-e obligation rule and f'm not going to read it into the record, but if you read that regulation on its face, it establ-ishes a few important points. One is that the QF has the option to sell energy. The QF also has the option to choose to sel1 excuse me, the QF has the option to sell- energy or capacity and that the option to sel-l- the capacity is critical- in this case. The QF also has the option to choose to sell that capacity over a specified term, and L002 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 8 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 t6 71 18 19 20 2L 22 Z3 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 the QF also has the option to have the rates calculated prior to delivery at the time of creatj-on of that legally enforceabl-e obligation. Order No. 69 which implemented this regulation explai-ns "Use of the term 1ega11y enforceable obligation is intended to prevent a utility from circumventing the requirement that provides capacity credit to the QF, " and we believe that the fundamental flaw of the proposals for two-, three-, and five-year maximum contract terms is that the QE would not be able to enter into an arrangement where it would be compensated for capacity and be able to displace capacity on the utility's system. J.R. Simplot Company and Clearwater Paper have provided several alternative proposafs if the Commission is concerned that Mr. Richardson discussed, but we don't believe it would be appropriate or legal to simply shorten the contract term to a length that appears to be desi-gned to frustrate development of QFs, particularly cogeneration projects. Thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Arkoosh. MR. ARKOOSH: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Madam Commissioner. I represent the canal companies and our interest is in not shortening the contracts for published rates, and two of the util-ities here, Idaho Power and 1003 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 5 6 '7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 74 15 t6 71 18 79 20 2T 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 Avista, and the Staff all- agree thatrs not appropriate at this time. Rocky Mountain, on the other hand, has maintained their position that those contracts should be shortened and that's against the background of PURPA as set forth in the Mississippi case in the Supreme Court. It has two significant purposes. One is to incentivize the use of renewable resources and the other is to overcome traditional- utility reluctance to purchase privately-produced power. The question of whether or not it incentivj-zes use really does address the contract term, because I think your record is fairly clear that two-, three-, and five-year contracts wonrt be successful-. As counsel has just pointed out, the way j-t's currently structured, it would prevent the selling of capacity, but the customers' concerns here, that is, whether the util-ities must buy more power than they need on a must-buy federal program or whether they maintain consumer indifference in the avoided cost is realIy not addressed by this proceeding. I think that those are concerns that have to be addressed through the setting of avoided costs and what power is displaced if you have a must-buy federal program and ultimately might have too much power, so it just Ieaves us with the question of incentive, and that's what's being affected by this shortened proposal, this 1004 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 B 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 t6 71 18 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 shortened contract proposal. Rocky Mountain Power at page 10 of Mr. Clements' rebuttal testimony set out their reasons for shortening the contract term to l-ess than 20 years, and as I discussed with him on cross-examination, itrs because in hls opinion it wou1d expose customers to an unreasonable price risk, and as I've indicated, this is not a pricing this is not an avoided cost setting hearing. This is a contract hearlng which doesn't really go to customer indifference. It goes to the incentivization of the development of the industry. The three reasons given at page 10 why he believed that 1t was an unnecessary long-term, fixed price risk were first, it exceeds the Company's current hedging policies and practices, and I woul-d point out that the Company's hedging policies and practices where it hedges its energy on the market is not part of the federal mandate. It's not part of the program. It's not even a part of the development of the avoided cost or not a very significant part. The second reason is that Rocky Mountain Power feel-s that 20-year contracts are not consistent with the Company's long-term planning approach, and that goes both to incentj-ve and traditional utility reluctance not to purchase, but, again, it is not part of the federal 100s COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 l_3 L4 15 t6 77 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 mandate. It's not a federal reason. It's not a part of PURPA, and the final- reason is that the long-term contracts are not consistent with the Company's REP-based approach to obtaining long-term power, and, again, that goes directly to traditional utility reluctance. That is one of the reasons PURPA was passed. If util-ities choose to develop capaclty using other than these renewable resources, then the Commission is directed to be sure that there is an incentive not to fuIfill their needs that wdy, but llterall-y to give a preference to PURPA projects, so all three of the reasons are not part of the federal mandate, and I would suggest that al-l- three of the only reasons given on this record for expanding published as opposed to IRP avoided cost rates are not reasons that are consistent with PURPA. Thank you very much. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Otto. MR. OTTO: The Conservation League and the Sierra Cl-ub believe the Commission shoul-d maintain the 2O-year contract. At the same time, you should adopt our proposal on pages 7 and 8 of Mr. Beach's rebuttal testimony to include an adjustment to the energy component at the midpoint of the contract. This is quite slmil-ar to the proposal- of Mr. Reading representing 1006 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 72 13 14 15 15 L7 18 19 20 21, 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTTNG(208) 890-5198 Simplot and Clearwater. There have been many references to other paths, paths other than PURPA, that could lead to development of renewables, and while that may be true, PURPA remains the law of the land, and the Commission has an obligation to implement PURPA 1n a way that complies with that federa1 law. A structure of a long-term contract that enables a QF to have a reasonable chance at fj-nancing, allows the QF to operate long enough to avoid the need for utility-buiIt capacity, and all-ows a true-up of the energy component to protect ratepayers is the proper bal-ance required by PURPA. That bal-ance is to encourage QE development while ensuring ratepayers are indifferent to price. As the Commission decided in Order 32697 and confirmed recently in 33159 and Mr. Kalich testified to, the IRP method is well, he said it's working. The Order said the methodology compares the generation profile of a QF to the utility's need for resources. The Commission should take some pride that they've developed a robust avoided cost methodology that 1s sensitive to need and does reflect the utility's avoided hourly costs. The core of this case, the utilities' position in this case and backed by Staff is a claim that they're 1007 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 B 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 16 71 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 being f1ooded with QF contracts and have no need for additional power. I encourage the Commission to look at these facts before accepti-ng this assertion. The fact is the utilities are faced with a lot of inquiries, but a]most no actual contracts at this time. The claim utillties donrt need additional- resources is not as simple as they'd have you believe. Idahoans need capacity when utilities are capacity deficient, and under the current model, QFs are only paid at that date. That date comes from the IRP process with public participation and the Commission has the final, say. Ms. Grow confirmed with me that Idahoans need energy every minute of every day, and the Commission has found that the energy component of the avoi-ded cost focuses on that highest displaceable j-ncremental avoided cost being incurred in each hour, and as Mr. Dickman testifies on page 2 of his testimony, his direct, this means the generation from Company-owned resources or displaceabl-e power purchases. In sum, ratepayers win when the resources deliver the l-east expensive power in each hour and that's exactly what the avoided cost model is doing. Mr. Sterling and some of the util-ities claim it's not posslbl-e to accurately predict avoided costs 1008 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1"2 13 L4 15 !6 L1 18 1,9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 over 20 years, but that's exactly what happens when you approve long-term power purchase agreements with fixed contracts, something that was confirmed to benefit ratepayers. Long-term predictions are al-so what supports putting a utility-buiIt resource into rate base. WhiIe the fuel costs may be updated in the power cost adjustment, the capital costs and the fixed O&M costs are not. They're in it for the l-ife of the project never to be trued up again if that resource decision looking backwards maybe wasn't the right one. Mr. Beach's testimony also contains two more benefits that come from these long-term, fixed prj-ce contracts. They can be a hedge against volatility and they can reduce market prices. This hedge is an al-l--in price. A QF contracL, that's the total- price that customers are going to have to pay for that power. It cannot be fairly compared to just the fuel- price that is the current hedging practice, and as far as market price suppression, we see the util-ities and their IRPs moving more towards market purchases and as we do so, the Commission should take efforts to keep market prices 1ow, not keep market prices high to support off-system sa1es. So as I mentioned, the avoided cost and the IRP methodology and the QF contracts, there is a rigorous public process to all of these efforts. The methodology 1009 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 6 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 11 1B 19 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 came from a fu1ly contested case that we al-l remember well. The capacity date comes from the IRP, again, a public process with Commissj-on approval. That same process produces the basic inputs to the energy costs. Both the energy and the capacity lnputs are updated annually. A11 of these are public processes with the Commission approval. This j-s robust. While it may be different than a util-ity-built resource, it still has a 1ayer, many layers, of public participation, review, and annual- assurances that these are accurate. As Mr. Clements testifies, the Commission does have a 1ot of discretion to implement any contract length. Importantly, that discretion or those actions have to be consistent with the EERC regulations, and the key as Mr. Wenner explained, you have to look at the regulations in the context of the statute as a whol-e, and that was his recommendation and I think that's my recommendation, too, as an Idaho attorney, I'Il- say that. You shou1d interpret a statute in the context of its entire purpose and need and structure as recently confirmed by the Supreme Court. A contract length and structure that enables a QF a reasonabfe access to financing while paying only the utility's actual avoided cost for energy and paying for capacity only when a utility identifies need, that's r 010 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 q 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 t1 18 79 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 consistent with FERC regulations, so if the Commission wishes to provide the utilities the opportunity to true-up those energy costs over a long-term contract, again, I urge you to support our proposal as laid out in Mr. Beach's rebutta1 testimony. That's the correct balance the Commission should reach. You're encouraging QF development whil-e protecting ratepayers over the long term. Thank you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Mr. Hammond. MR. HAMMOND: I just have a few comments. I've heard a lot of points made that I would agree with. In terms of our client Ecoplexus, the concern obviously is having the Commission develop a program out of this docket that meets or helps comply with federal law. Now, maybe in Idaho we hate the federal- government telling us what to do. There always seem to be that undercurrent in much of our relationships sometj-mes with the federal- government; however, PURPA is the law and the Commissj-on has some important decisions to make regarding how to comply with those obligations, and I believe the testimony in this record has demonstrated or provided the ability for this Commission to use its discretion to use something other than simply shortening the length of contract. 1011 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 T4 15 L6 L1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (2oB ) 890-s198 I think shortening the length of contract in the manner in which the utilities have proposed is a hammer meant to kill PURPA development altogether. I think the record or the history of PURPA development in this state demonstrates at l-east to some extent shortening that contract term will al-] but eliminate, or almost el-imj-nate, any PURPA development. I don't think the Commission wants to eliminate PURPA development. I think the Commission wants to find that pathway to find reasonabl-e good development that makes sense for the State of ]daho. f bel-ieve based on the record there are means by which we can do that, either through the current methodol-ogy or adopting modifications to it to adjust pricer ds has been addressed by several- of the closing arguments, to adjust price over the term of the contract if there is a need to have it more closely match what is going on. That in and of itself or those changes could help to regulate the amount of power that comes online that would address some of the concerns the util-ities have, while at the same time helping the Commisslon support or meet its obligations, potential obligations, to encourage the development of PURPA power in the State of fdaho. With that I'd leave it to your discretion. t0L2 COLLOQUY I 2 3 4 5 6 7 U 9 10 11 I2 13 t4 15 L6 77 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 Thank you very much for the opportunity werve had to address these issues before you. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you, Mr. Hammond. How about Staff for the Public Util-ities Commission? MS. HUANG: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On behalf of Commission Staff, my closing wil-l- address the l-imited issue of the Commission's authority to address the length of PURPA contracts in response to the legal analysis in Mr. Wenner's testimony and also arguments made today by Mr. Adams and Mr. Otto and others. I woul-d agree with Mr. Schmidt's closing statements on this issue. Nothing in PURPA Section 210 or in FERC's PURPA regulations refer to, l-et alone Iimit, the ability of this Commission to establ-ish a standard QE contract duration that it deems appropriate. In FERC's policy statement regarding its enforcement role under Section 210 of PURPA at 23 FERC 6L,304, FERC provided that its regulations all-ow the states "a wide degree of l-atitude in establi-shing an implementation p1an. Such l-atitude is necessary in order for implementation to accommodate local- conditions and concerns so long as the final plan is consistent with statutory requirements, " and indeed as noted by more than one expert in these proceedings, as wel-l- as counsel for 101 COLLOQUY I 2 3 4 5 6 7 B 9 10 11 72 13 L4 15 t6 7't 18 19 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(20e) 890-s198 various parties present today, other state commissions throughout the West, including Washj-ngton and this Commission here in ldaho, have set different contract lengths to accommodate the l-ocal conditions and concerns. In fact, Mr. Wenner did concede in his direct testi-mony at page 5, l1ne J , that nothing in the EERC rules specifies a specific number of years for contract terms. Contrary to Mr. Wenner's claim, FERC has not characterized QEs as having the right to a long-term contract. The language that Mr. Wenner quotes at page 5, Iine 22, to page 6,line 13, in his direct testimony, he' s quot j-ng f rom FERC' s Order 59 , which was also referenced by Mr. Adams, I bel-ieve, that quote on j-ts face fail-s to support the supposition that there is a right to a long-term contract. In fact, on the fol-l-owing page in FERCTs Order 69, FERC states that it shoul-d l-eave to the states flexibility for experimentation and accommodation of special circumstances with regard to implementation of rates for purchases. This, again, highlights that the states be given wide latitude on these matters. Further, Mr. Wenner's assertion that the Idaho Supreme Court has also found a right to long-term contracts in the CERs is equally far-fetched. Neither the quoted language that Mr. Wenner provides nor any 1014 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 t6 t'7 1B t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 other language in that Afton Idaho Supreme Court decisj-on supports his argument, and he has hi-s quote in his direct testimony at page 6, l-ines 5 through 13. The quote that he cites from the Afton decision is actually on page 785 rather than 186 as he cites. ft is found in Footnote 1 of that decision. The Afton decision at Footnote B also includes the Court's comments that the level of QF payments varies depending on the length of the contract, and also the Commission's ratemaking authority is intricately rel-ated to its ability to define the term of the obligation, so in sum, there is no 1ega1 authority that legitimately supports the argument made by Mr. Wenner that this Commission l-acks the ability to establish the length of PURPA contracts in Idaho in keeping with its duty to ensure rel-iable service and just and reasonable rates in the public interest. As supported by Mr. Sterling's testimony today regardi-ng the capacity arguments that have been made, Lf a QF provides capacity, then a utility must pay for it, but there is no requirement that a QF be entitled to provide capacity and be paid for it. The Commission's authority to establish contract Iength 1s consistent with FERC Order 69 and Idaho Supreme Court decisions, and for those reasons, the 1015 coLLoQUY Commissj-on Staff respectfully requests that you find that you do have jurisdiction and authority to set the contract length in these proceedings. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Letrs move to Avlsta. MR. ANDREA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At the outset, I do want to thank the Commission for its time and consideration in this proceeding, recognj-zing that the testimony has been long and it's sometimes not as exciting as other things we may be doing, so appreciate your attention and consideration. Certain intervenors have attempted to read a long-term contract requirement into FERC's PURPA requirements and regulations. As Staff has just presented and Avista agrees, there is no such requirement and the attempt to read that in is misl-eading. The truth of the matter is that FERC has left it to the states to implement PURPA and has provided the states broad discretion in the way that they do that, and that discretion lncl-udes setting of the contract term. The Fifth Circuit in fact has recently recognized in the Exelon Wind 1 decision that the state PUC, 1n that case the Texas PUC, had the broad discretion to set the contract term to no long-term contract for resources that cou1d not provide the reliable, 8 9 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 l6 t7 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (2oB ) 890-5198 1016 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 q 6 1 9 10 11 72 13 74 15 76 71 1B 79 20 2l 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-5198 predictable power. That demonstrates that at least one federal court of appeals has recognized the states broad discretion to set the term. Final1y, I note that some have attempted to point out that Avista does not have the vol-ume of PURPA contracts that are currentfy being experienced by Idaho Power and PacifiCorp. That really is irrelevant here. Irrespective of how many megawatts of solar are or will be on1ine at any of the utilities, this case has demonstrated that no QF projects should be eligible for long-term contracts due to price risks that are borne by customers. Just because there's no flood does not mean it is okay to pay too much even for a few contracts. The arguments that have been presented in thls regard are asking the Commission to walt until- the horse has left the barn before shuttlng the door. The utilities' customers will- be harmed by such an approach. Avista clearly has an interest i-n ensuring that any rufes j-mplementing PURPA adopted by this Commission are equally applied to Avista to ensure that it does not become a magnet for PURPA projects that would otherwise selI to another utility. Avista's interest in this proceeding continues to be to ensure there's a level playing field between al-I of the utilitj-es and that the terms that are required for 1017 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 B 9 10 11 t2 13 L4 15 16 71 18 L9 20 2L 22 23 Z4 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 any one utility are applied equally to all of the util-ities regulated by this Commission. Again, I thank you for your tlme and consideration, and that concl-udes my remarks. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Let's move to Rocky Mountain Power/PacifiCorp. MS. HOGLE: On behal-f of Rocky Mountain Power and its customers, we appreciated the opportunity to present our case here to you today. I mentioned our customers because the utility will not benefit nor it will be harmed from the decision that you make in this case. As Mr. Schmidt stated in his closing statement, we pass through 100 percent of the costs to QFs, of the Company costs from the payments that we make to QFs for their power. We bel-ieve that through our application, direct and rebuttal testimony, and live testimony presented through the course of two days we have met our burden. Mr. Clements testified that leaving the PURPA contract term at 20 years would viol-ate the ratepayer indifference standard under Section 2L0 of PURPA, and that cutting it to two, three, or five years viol-ates no provision under PURPA. Contrary to what Mr. Adams stated in his closing, two-, three-, or five-year PURPA contracts can 1018 COLLOQUY 5 6 1 2 3 4 7 I 9 10 11 L2 13 74 15 t6 t1 18 79 20 21, 22 23 24 25 include capaclty payments. To the extent that a QF helps the Company or the utility reduce firm power purchases from another utility, then the rate for such a purchase wiII be based on the avoided capacity and energy costs, and thatrs from FERC Order 69 which has been quoted extensively here today and yesterday, 45 Fed. Reg. L22L4 and page 122L6, February 25th, 1980. That's the specific quote. Rocky Mountain Power submlts that the incentives to encourage the development of alternative resources are buil-t into PURPA and inc]ude the must-purchase obligation under Section 210 and in FERC Regs part E, which is the exemption of QEs from the Eederal Power Act and many state laws and regul-ations to which util-ities are subject. The price and the term of the contract are neutral and not 1n and of themselves incentives. Based on the foregoing, Rocky Mountain Power respectfully requests that you grant our petition for a permanent reductj-on of maximum contract terms of PURPA contracts to three years and modification to the Company's avoided cost methodol-ogy as set forth in our appJ-ication and our testimony. Thank you very much. COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. Let's move to Idaho Power. CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 1019 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 A 7 I 9 10 11 72 13 t4 15 76 77 18 L9 20 2t 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 MR. WALKER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Commissioner Raper, and I too wish to thank you for the opportunity here to make a closing and during this hearing and for bringing this matter to a fairly rapid hearing and concl-usion and ultimately your decision, and f'd l-ike to say up front that these are contentious matters among the parties and certainly, I'm passionate about representing the Company and its customers. Hopefully, none of the contentiousness certainly was meant with no disrespect to this Commission, flo disrespect to Dr. Reading, Mr. Mill-er or Mr. Richardson or any of the other parties here, but these are serious matters and understand that we're passionate about our positions. Now, a good place to start, I think, is always why are we here, why are we doing this and, you know, this case is this case is not about fossil fuels or the retirement of coal plants or CO2 emissions or other external-ities of environmentalism. What this case is about is the mandatory purchase requirement and obligation of PURPA and the just and reasonabl-e terms and conditions of that mandatory purchase for the State of Idaho established by this Commission under its proper and lawful authority. Now, PURPA requires the util-1ties to purchase r020 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 B 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 T5 77 18 19 20 27 22 23 .AL1 25 CSB REPORT]NG(208) 890-s198 It does not require the utility and its customers to provide risk-free financing to QFs. It requires the customers be held neutral and be held harmless in such transactions. None of the parties opposlng the requested reduction in maxj-mum contract term here have rea1ly addressed the larger issues related to need for additional- generation resources and the disproportionate amount of risk that long-term, fixed rate, unchangeable QF contracts place upon Idaho Power's customers without the beneflt of this Commission's or the public's scrutiny of their acquisition of which the Company's own the Company-owned resources must endure. Now, the State of Idaho, in the State of ldaho, we have a chosen authorized and constitutional- system of regulati-on that's designed to protect the interests of the citizens of the State of Idaho and to allow for companies like Idaho Power to reliably provide a vital service to the public. This is a system that has us aII very wel-I since the time of Idaho Power & versus Blomquist in 7974. This is a system that' enab1ed us to today to continue to enjoy some of l-owest electricity prices, retail prices, in the Now, the continued creation of 2)-year contracts places an undue risk on customers at a when Idaho Power has sufficient resources to meet served Light S the nation. term time L027 coLLoQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 9 10 11 L2 13 l4 15 t6 71 1B 1,9 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) 890-s198 customer needs. The Company's required lntegrated resource planning process is filed and updated every two years. Non-PURPA purchase and sales transactions are limited to l-ess than two years pursuant to the Company's approved risk management hedging po11cy, and avoided cost rates themsel-ves are updated at l-east every year, and consequently, Idaho Power requests that the required term for any prospective PURPA energy sal-es agreements above the published rate eligibility cap also coincide with that two-year time period. Now, to also take some notice of very recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions, the parties here would have us ignore the substantial risks associated with 21-year, fixed rate contracts without ful1 evaluation of the cost impact to society and to Idaho Power's customers. of tal-k about what's in the record, we1l, here's A lot something that's in the record, $2.7 bil-lion, that's the estimated obligation for over 1,300 megawatts of proposed QF sol-ar projects $1.2 bil 320 megawatts that construction in 20 the obligation of on Idaho Power's system. lion, that's the estimated cost of the are currently under contract for 16; and finally, $2.6 billion, that is the existing 781- megawatts that are currently constructed and operating on fdaho Power's system. That's and yes, that'a total- possibl-e 7022 COLLOQUY impact to customers of over $6 bi]Iion, and is that real-? You bet it' s real-. I believe this Commission is very familiar with concepts of 1ega11y enforceable obligations and many of the projects on that very list currentl-y seek legally enforceable obligations and yet come in here and say well, never mind, we're really not going to develop, that doesn't have a chance, but oh, by the w&y, we al-l want legaIly enforceable obligations for rates in place at the time we're making these requests. You can't have it both ways. What efse do we know about that list? Well-, w€ know that nobody has dropped off of that list of proposed projects from the time we filed until- today, and in fact, that l-ist hqs grown even during the pendency of this case. It was BB5 megawatts in January, today it's over 1,300. There's also been discussion of Section 292.304, Order No. 69, and selected portions of FERC direction with regard to an LEO and let's l-ook at that section briefly. What does it require? Well it gives us guidance on what pricing is available to a QE. lt can be priced for a term or it can be pri-ced at the time of delivery. Order No. 69 in its discussion about an LEO, I think it's very cl-ear that FERC's direction there with tr 6 1 I 9 10 11 L2 13 L4 15 L6 71 1B 19 20 2t )) Z5 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208 ) B 90-s198 L023 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 I 9 10 11 t2 13 !4 15 1,6 l1 18 19 20 27 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 regard to an LEO was meant to address situations when a utility is refusing to contract with a QF. It was not meant as a guarantee to get capacity payments no matter what and certainly not when the utility is in a capacity suf f icient pos j-tion. Now, and f rm almost done, f promise, so we really don't need a l-ot of fancy calculations or complex analysis here to figure out that anything paid for something that is not needed is too much and it's potentially harmful to customers. The required term of a mandatory QF purchase is within the authority and dj-scretion of this Commission to determine and set, and in fact, the Commission has modified the required contract term for PURPA purchases as discussed several times in the past, including previous terms limited to five years. Idaho Power currently undisputably has no identifiabl-e need to acquj-re any additional generation resources potentially for the next 10 years, and additionally, the planned Boardman to Hemingway transmission line would serve additional- growth beyond that without adding any new power plants. The acquisition of Company-owned resources, generation resources, as well as the Company's purchase and sale of non-PURPA generation is either limited to terms less than 7024 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 't t, 9 10 11 L2 13 t4 15 76 l1 18 1,9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORT]NG (208 ) 890-s198 two years or it's subject to very j-ntensive Commission and public participation, scrutiny process, and proceedings to all determine that the Company is acting prudently, in the public interest, fulfilling a need in the l-east cost and most reliable manner possible. Now, all of these requirements, particularly that of establishing need for the resource, are absent in the mandatory PURPA QF purchase, and the further constraint imposed by PURPA that eliminates contract reopeners or any ability to modify or change those prices that are locked into the contracts regardless, in FERC's own words regardl-ess, of whether aI1 costs were included at the time or regardless of whether those costs varied from the actual costs and conditions as they may have changed or varied over the duration of that contract. That makes long-term contracts, you know, dt best a risky proposition and here damaging and harmful- to customers, and further, with all the uncertainties, I think everybody in the case talked about many of the uncertainties into the future that all can impact the costs to customers, can affect the rate. With that uncertainty, it really is unreasonable to contj-nue to requlre our customers to shoul-der all- of that risk, and Idaho Power asks that the Commission reduce the maximum term as we've requested. L025 COLLOQUY 5 6 1 9 l0 11 72 13 74 15 16 71 18 19 20 2t )) Z5 24 25 CSB REPORTING(208) 890-s198 COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: Thank you. I bel-ieve we got aII the parties. Did I miss anyone? Okay, a couple of procedural items. AlI the exhibits that have been marked and identified to these proceedings wilI now be admitted. (A11 exhibits previously marked for identification were admitted into the record. ) COMMISSIONER KJELLANDER: I believe that I mentioned earl-ier 1n the proceedings that itrs our lntent to have the requests for intervenor funding in very near term and so I'm going to plck a 10-day window, which woul-d be Eriday, July 1Oth, so hopefully, that's an easy date to remember, and we'd l-ike to see those requests for intervenor funding in as soon as we can so that we can proceed quickly towards our del-iberative process. As a reminder, this evening we have a telephonic hearing that begins at 7:00, and so while you're out enjoying the wonderful, Iovely weather in Boise, we'II be in here wishing that we were here because it's not as bad as outside. That said, is there anything else that needs to come before the Commission? If not, this component of our proceedings is complete. We appreciate your willingness and desj-re to help us develop the record and, again, we l-ook forward to getting out a timely Order once we have al-l of the matters in front of L026 COLLOQUY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 t2 13 t4 15 L6 L7 18 t9 20 2L 22 23 24 25 us for appropriate deliberations and with that, thank you and we'11 see you a1I soon, hopefully, in another case. (The hearing recessed at 72230 p.m. ) CSB REPORTING(208) 890-5198 L027 COLLOQUY