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HomeMy WebLinkAbout20100902Vol I Technical Boise.pdfORIGINAL .BEFORE THE IDAHO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION OF AVISTA CORPORATION DBA AVISTA CASE NO. AVU-E-10-01 UTILITIES FOR AUTHORITY TO CASE NO. AVU-G-10-01 INCREASE ITS RATES AND CHARGES FOR ELECTRIC AND NATURAL GAS SERVICE IN IDAHO BEFORE COMMISSIONER MACK REDFORD (Presiding) COMMISSIONER MARSHA SMITH COMMISSIONER JIM KEMPTON. PLACE:Commission Hearing Room 472 West Washington Boise, Idaho DATE:August 26, 2010 VOLUME I - Pages 1 - 128 . CSB REPORTING Constance S. Bucy, CSR No. 187 23876 Applewood Way * Wilder, Idaho 83676 (208) 890-5198 * (208) 337-4807 Email csb(iheritagewifi.com t:~.::(/i: iN -0::J:..o\D . . . 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 APPEARANCES 2 3 For the Staff: 4 5 6 7 For Avista Corporation: Donald L. Howell, II, Esq. and Kristine A. Sasser, Esq. Deputy Attorneys General 472 West Washington Boise, Idaho 83720-0074 David J. Meyer, Esq. Vice President & Chief Counsel Avista Corporation Post Office Box 3727 Spokane Washington 99220 RICHARDSON & 0' LEARY by Peter J. Richardson, Esq. 515 North 27th Street Boise, Idaho 83702 McDEVITT & MILLER by Dean J. Miller, Esq. 420 West Bannock Street Boise, Idaho 83702 Brady M. Purdy, Esq. Attorney at Law 2019 North 17th Street Boise, Idaho 83702 Benjamin J. Otto Idaho Conservation League Post Office Box 844 Boise, Idaho 83701 8 9 10 For Clearwater Paper~ 11 12 13 For Idaho Forest Group: 14 15 16 For CAPAI: 17 18 For Idaho Conservation League: CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 APPEARANCES . . . 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 I N D E X PAGE 7 9 47 49 54 59 61 95 99 102 104 105 109 112 114 124 PAGE 127 127 127 2 3 WITNESS EXAMINATION BY 4 Randy Lobb (Staff)Mr. Howell (Direct) Prefiled Direct Testimony Commissioner Smith Commissioner Kempton Commissioner Redford 5 6 7 Kelly o. Norwood (Avista) Mr. Meyer (Direct) Prefiled Direct Testimony Commissioner Smith Commissioner Kempton Commissioner Redford Commissioner Smith Commissioner Kempton Commissioner Smith 8 9 10 11 12 Teri Ottens (CAPAI) Mr. Purdy (Direct) Prefiled Direct Testimony Commissioner Kempton 13 14 15 16 EXHIBITS 17 18 NUMBER DESCRIPTION 19 FOR THE STAFF: 101. Stipulation and Settlement Premarked Admitted 102. Residential Rate Impact of Proposed Settlement Premarked Admitted 103. Memorandum of Understanding Premarked Admitted CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 INDEX/EXHIBITS . . . 1 BOISE, IDAHO, THURSDAY, AUGUST 26, 2010, 9:30 A. M. 2 3 4 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: My name is Mack 5 Redford.I'm a Commissioner of the Idaho Public 6 Utilities Commission and Chairman of this hearing. Also 7 in attendance today are Public Utili ties Commissioners 8 Jim Kempton, who is also the president of the Commission, 9 and Marsha Smith, a Commissioner. We make up the Idaho 10 Public Utilities Commission. This is the time and place 11 set for the hearing in the matter of the application of 12 Avista Corporation dba Avista Utili ties for authority to 13 increase its rates and charges for electric and natural 14 gas service in Idaho. Public notice of this hearing was 15 given on August 4, 2010. 16 Some preliminary matters which I'd like to 17 go through, based upon settlement discussions, the 18 participating parties agreed to resolve and settle all 19 issues raised in this case. On July 26, 2010, the 20 settling parties filed their settlement stipulation with 21 the Commission. On July 29, the Commission issued a 22 Notice of Proposed Settlement outlining the maj or 23 elements in the parties' settlement proposal. 24 Briefly, the proposal settlement, the 25 parties have agreed that annual revenues of Avista' s CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 1 COLLOQUY . . . 1 electric and natural gas service may increase by $21.25 2 million or 9.25 percent and $1.85 million or 2.62, 3 respecti vely, for electricity and gas. Additionally, the 4 parties agreed to offset 17.5 million of deferred state 5 tax, income tax, over a two-year period. The tax offset 6 will result in an average net increase in base rates of 7 3.59 percent for electrical service and an average 8 increase of 1.9 percent for natural gas service. The 9 parties propose that the new electric and natural gas 10 rates will become effective October 1, 2010. 11 First of all, I'd like to take the 12 appearances of the parties. I will begin with Avista and 13 then the Staff and then the other parties and 14 intervenors, so I'LL turn it over to you, sir. 15 MR. MEYER: Thank you, Chairman Redford. 16 I am David Meyer and I'll j ust give you a short form of 17 the appearance, David Meyer for Avista. 18 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, IMr. Howell. 19 MR. HOWELL: For the Commission Staff, 20 Donald Howell and Kristine Sasser, Deputy Attorneys 21 General, representing the Commission Staff in this 22 matter. 23 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Why don't we start 24 in the back row with Mr. Richardson. 25 MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 2 COLLOQUY . . . 1 Peter Richardson on behalf of Clearwater Paper Company 2 and with me is Howard Ray, plant manager. 3 MR. PURDY: Mr. Chairman, Brad Purdy on 4 behalf of the Community Action Partnership Association of 5 Idaho and with me is Ms. Teri Ottens. 6 MR. OTTO: Mr. Chairman, I'm Benjamin Otto 7 wi th the Idaho Conservation League. 8 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Briefly for Avista, 9 could you tell me how many witnesses you're going to 10 have? 11 MR. MEYER: Yes, we will just have Mr. 12 Norwood testifying today. 13 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Howell? 14 MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, we have one 15 wi tness. 16 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, and 17 Mr. Richardson? 18 MR. RICHARDSON: Mr. Chairman, we have no 19 witnesses. 20 MR. PURDY: One witness, Mr. Chairman. 21 MR. OTTO: No witnesses, Mr. Chairman. 22 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Thank you. Do any 23 of the parties prior to time of getting to the hearing 24 have an opening statement? 25 MR. MEYER: Avista has none. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 3 COLLOQUY . . . 1 MR. HOWELL: Staff has none. 2 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Richardson? 3 MR. RICHARDSON: We have no opening 4 statement, Mr. Chairman. 5 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Purdy? 6 MR. PURDY: None, sir, thank you. 7 MR. OTTO: No, sir. 8 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Thank you. One 9 preliminary matter which I wanted to raise is the 10 question of comments which the Commission has received 11 during the pendency of this case. As they stand now, the 12 comments are simply comments and they are not evidence. 13 They are not exhibits and I was wondering, my question of 14 the parties is how do you feel those comments should be 15 taken? One, they can either stand as what they are right 16 now as simply comments that are not evidence or we could 17 notwi thstanding the fact that there's no 18 cross-examination or anyone here to present those 19 comments, we could leave them just that way or we could, 20 the Commission could, take them into consideration. 21 They've already been read by the 22 Commissioners and I don't know whether by the parties, 23 but it just seems to me that those comments should have 24 some sort of a place. Unless the parties really object, 25 I would li ke to have them just stand the way they are and CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 4 COLLOQUY . . . 1 note that while we have read them and whatever weight 2 they have we'll take that into consideration, but they 3 won't be formal exhibits, unless someone has any other 4 way which they would like to see them. 5 MR. MEYER: Chairman Redford, Avista does 6 not obj ect to that approach. 7 MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, the Staff 8 thinks that that is a satisfactory way to handle these 9 comments. Staff would not like to see them read into the 10 record since there is no sponsoring witness, there is no 11 one to cross-examine and at least in the case of the 12 ICAN, they are opposed, but they have no witness here 13 sponsoring the comments, so I think from the Staff iS 14 perspective, it would simply -- these should simply stand 15 as comments and accorded the weight that other parties' 16 comments or that other persons i comments are afforded. 17 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Chairman? 18 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Commissioner Smith. 19 COMMISSIONER SMITH: ICAN hasn't even -- 20 isn't even represented here today. 21 MR. HOWELL: That's correct, 22 Madam Commissioner. 23 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, well, I think 24 we'll-- 25 MR. OTTO: Commissioner? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 5 COLLOQUY . . . 1 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Yes. 2 MR. OTTO: If I might weigh in being the 3 only party who is here and also submitted comments, I 4 recogni ze that it i S not the normal course of affairs to 5 just submit comments without testimony and a witness to 6 present those in these type of hearings. I'd submit that 7 it's really just a statement of position of our party and 8 I fully accept the stance that you've taken and 9 appreciate the other parties just considering those as a 10 statement of our position. 11 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, thank you. 12 Well, I think we'll go ahead on that basis. Does anyone 13 need any further clarification on what it is I'm 14 proposing? Hearing none. Well, as Avista is the 15 Applicant and the moving party, I will now turn this 16 matter over to Mr. Meyer. 17 MR. MEYER: Unless you would prefer 18 otherwise, we spoke in advance of the hearing, Staff and 19 Avista, and I know Mr. Lobb is sponsoring the stipulation 20 as the exhibits and we thought that Mr. Lobb might go 21 first. We're certainly more than willing to put Mr. 22 Norwood up first if that's your preference. 23 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: That's perfectly 24 all right. Do you agree, Mr. Howell? 25 MR. HOWELL: That's fine with the Staff. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 6 COLLOQUY . . . 1 2 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, then, Mr. Howell, I'LL turn this matter over to you. 3 4 to the stand. 5 MR. HOWELL: Staff would call Randy Lobb COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, Mr. Lobb, 6 Commissioner Smith will take your oath and your 7 particulars. 8 9 RANDY LOBB, 10 produced as a witness at the instance of the Staff, 11 having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified 12 as follows: 13 14 15 Mr. HowelL. 16 17 18 19 20 BY MR. HOWELL: 21 Q COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Please proceed MR. HOWELL: Than k you, Mr. Cha i rman . DIRECT EXAMINATION Mr. Lobb, would you state your name and 22 spell your last for the record, please? 23 A My name is Randy Lobb, L-o-b-b. And, Mr. Lobb, whom are you employed by 25 and in what capacity? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 24 Q 7 LOBB (Di)Staff . . . 19 1 A I'm employed by the Idaho Public Utili ties 2 Commission. I'm the administrator of the utili ties 3 division. 4 Q And are you the same Randy Lobb that 5 prepared supporting testimony and stipulation and 6 settlement dated August 5? 7 A Yes, I am. 8 Q And if I were to as k -- well, are there 9 any changes or corrections to your testimony? 10 A No, there is not. 11 Q And if I were to ask you the questions 12 laid out in your prefiled testimony dated August 5, would 13 your answers be the same today? 14 A Yes, they would. 15 MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, I would move 16 that Mr. Lobb i s testimony be spread upon the record and 17 his Exhibits 101, which is the stipulation in this 18 matter, 102 and 103 be marked for identification. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: So ordered. 20 (The following prefiled testimony of Mr. 21 Randy Lobb is spread upon the record.) 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 8 LOBB (Di)Staff . . . 1 Q. Please state your name and business address for 2 the record. 3 A.My name is Randy Lobb and my business address 4 is 472 West Washington Street, Boise, Idaho. 5 Q.By whom are you employed? 6 A.I am employed by the Idaho Public Utili ties 7 Commission as Utilities Division Administrator. 8 Q.What is your educational and professional 9 background? 10 A.I received a Bachelor of Science Degree in 11 Agricultural Engineering from the University of Idaho in 12 1980 and worked for the Idaho Department of Water 13 Resources from June of 1980 to November of 1987. I 14 received my Idaho license as a registered professional 15 Civil Engineer in 1985 and began work at the Idaho Public 16 Utilities Commission in December of 1987. My duties at 17 the Commission currently include case management and 18 oversight of all technical Staff assigned to Commission 19 filings.I have conducted analysis of utility rate 20 applications, rate design, proposed tariffs and customer 21 petitions.I have testified in numerous proceedings 22 before the Commission including cases dealing with rate 23 structure, cost of service, power supply, line 24 extensions, regulatory policy and facility acquisitions. 25 Q.What is the purpose of your testimony in this CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 9 LOBB, R. (Di) 1 STAFF . . . 11 20 21 1 case? 2 A.The purpose of my testimony is to describe the 3 Stipulation (the Proposed Settlement) filed in this case 4 and to explain the rationale for Staff's support. 5 Q.Please summarize your testimony. 6 A.Staff believes that the comprehensive Proposed 7 Settlement resolving all issues in the general rate case 8 and agreed to by all parties participating in the 9 settlement process1 is in the public interest, is just 10 and reasonable and should be approved by the Commission. Q.How is your testimony organized? 12 A.My testimony is subdivided under the following 13 headings: 14 Stipulation Overview Page 2 The Settlement Process Page 5 Revenue Increase and DSIT Page 7 Class Cost of Service Page 14 Rate Design Page 17 DSM Prudency page 19 Consumer Issues Page 22 15 16 17 18 19 22 Stipulation Overview 23 Q.Please provide an overview of the Stipulation 24 and Settlement. 25 A.The Stipulation filed with the Commission CASE NOS. AVU-E-I0-1 & AVU-G-10-1 10 LOBB, R. (Di) 2 STAFF . 10 / 11 12 /.13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 / 9 19 1 The Idaho Community Action Network and North Idaho Energy Logs, Inc., as intervenors, were provided notice of the settlement discussions, but did not participate. CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 LOBB, R. (Di) 2a STAFF 11 . . . 1 provides for an annual overall increase in electric base 2 revenue of $21.25 million or 9.25%. This increase is 3 partially mitigated for the first two years by using $17 4 million in Deferred State Income Tax (DSIT) credits to 5 offset a portion of the increase. 6 With the credit offset, the first year average 7 net increase for electric service will be $8.25 million 8 or 3.59% effective October 1,2010. The second year 9 increase will be an additional $ 9 million or 3.92% and 10 the third year increase when all credits are exhausted 11 will be an additional $4 million or 1.74%. 12 The Stipulation provides for an overall 13 increase in natural gas revenue of $1.85 million or 14 2.62%. This increase is mitigated in the first year by 15 using $500,000 in DSIT credits to offset a portion of the 16 increase. With the credit, the first year revenue 17 increase will be $1.35 million or 1.9% effective October 18 1, 2010. The remaining increase of 0.72% will occur in 19 the second year when the credit expires. 20 The Stipulation and Settlement specifically 21 identifies annual power supply cost levels for the Power 22 Cost Adj ustment (PCA) mechanism, supports a prudency 23 finding for 2008 and 2009 Demand Side Management (DSM) 24 expenditures, specifies rate spread to the individual 25 classes and supports increased funding for low income DSM CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 12 LOBB, R. (Di) 3 STAFF . . . 1 programs. The Stipulation also addresses accounting 2 treatment for the Coeur d' Alene Tribe Settlement costs, 3 Spokane River Relicensing costs, Colstrip lawsuit costs 4 and Jackson Prairie Storage costs. 5 Finally, the Stipulation provides for workshops 6 and discussion among the parties and the Company on a 7 variety of issues including class cost of service, first 8 block residential rate levels, and a variety of other 9 consumer issues. 10 Al though the Stipulation represents a 11 comprehensive settlement of all revenue requirement 12 issues in the case, it does not specifically identify 13 revenue adj ustments to the Company's case or specify an 14 authorized return on equity (ROE). 15 Q.How does the annual revenue requirement 16 increase for electric and gas service proposed in the 17 Stipulation compare to the increase originally proposed 18 by Avista? 19 A.Avista originally proposed to increase annual 20 electric revenue by $32.114 million or 13.98% and 21 increase annual natural gas revenue by $2.575 million or 22 3.6%. The Stipulated Settlement provides for an increase 23 in annual electric revenue of $21.25 million or 24 approximately 66% of the original request. That increase 25 is further reduced by $13 million for one year and then CASE NOS. AVU-E-I0-1 & AVU-G-10-1 13 LOBB, R. (Di) 4 STAFF 1 by $4 million in the second year using the DSIT credits..2 Instead of paying an 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CASE NOS.AVU-E-10-1 14 LOBB,R.(Di)4a &AVU-G-10-1 STAFF . . . 1 additional $32.114 million from October 1, 2010 to 2 October 1, 2011, electric customers will only pay an 3 additional $8.25 million or 26% of the original request. 4 Through September 30, 2012, customers will pay a total of 5 $25.5 million in additional electric costs or 40% of the 6 $ 64.228 million that would have been required under the 7 Company's original proposal. 8 The Stipulated Settlement provides for an 9 increase in annual natural gas revenue of $1.85 million 10 or 70% of the Company i s original request. With the DSIT 11 credit, the first year increase is $1.35 million or 52% 12 of the Company's original request. The Stipulation and 13 Settlement is attached as Staff Exhibit No. 101. 14 The Settlement Process 15 Q.Would you please describe the process leading 16 to the Stipulated Settlement? 17 A.Yes. The Company contacted Staff the week of 18 June 14, 2010 to discuss the possibility of scheduling a 19 settlement workshop. Staff was scheduled to complete its 20 company audit the same week and needed time to review its 21 findings and develop its revenue requirement 22 recommendations for hearing. Staff positions on cost of 23 service, rate design and consumer issues were already 24 well developed. 25 All parties were invited to at tend orparticipate CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-I0-1 15 LOBB, R. (Di) 5 STAFF . . . 1 by phone in the settlement workshops on July 6 and July 8 2 in the Commission hearing room. Parties participating in 3 both workshops included Commission Staff, Avista, 4 Clearwater Paper Company, the Community Action 5 Partnership Association of Idaho (CAPAI), the Idaho 6 Conservation League and the Snake River Alliance. Idaho 7 Forest Group only participated in the second workshop. 8 Settlement discussions were dominated by 9 revenue requirement issues with additional discussions on 10 other issues such as cost of service, rate design, low 11 income weatherization funding and other customer service 12 commi tments. Revenue requirement discussion was framed 13 by the electric and natural gas service increases 14 proposed by the Company and the preliminary increase 15 recommendation of Staff for electric service of 16 approximately $16.4 million or 51% of the Company's 17 proposal and for natural gas service of $792,000 or 31% 18 of the Company i s original proposal. 19 At the July 6, 2010 workshop the Company first 20 proposed using $17.5 million in DSIT credits to mitigate 21 the electric and gas service increases. Based on these 22 revenue requirement positions and the positions of the 23 parties on various other issues, negotiations ensued and 24 the Stipulated Settlement was reached. 25 Q.How did the Commission Staff evaluate the CASE NOS. AVU-E-I0-1 & AVU-G-10-1 16 LOBB, R. (Di) 6 STAFF . . . 1 Stipulated Settlement to determine that it was 2 reasonable? 3 A.In this case as in other past general rate 4 cases, Staff evaluated the merits of the Stipulated 5 Settlement by comparing it to the expected outcome if the 6 case proceeded to hearing. In other words, Staff had to 7 determine which process would result in the best deal for 8 customers. In Staff's view, the best deal for customers 9 is the lowest justifiable annual revenue requirement. 10 While the Commissioners make the ultimate 11 decision on Company revenue requirement based on the 12 record at hearing , it is the parties to the case that 13 make revenue requirement adjustment recommendations on 14 the record for the Commission to decide. The outcome at 15 hearing in terms of revenue requirement must therefore be 16 evaluated based on both the adjustments to the Company's 17 revenue request that are presented on the record and how 18 the Commission might decide each adjustment. 19 Revenue Increase and DSIT 20 Q.What type of adj ustments to the Company's 21 proposed revenue requirement had Staff identified and 22 what was the dollar value of those adjustments? 23 A.As previously indicated, Staff's preliminary 24 estimate of downward adjustments to the Company's 25 proposed electric revenue increase of $32.114 million CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 17 LOBB, R. (Di) 7 STAFF .1 totaled approximately $15.7 million (a $16.4 million, 2 7.1% 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CASE NOS.AVU-E-10-1 18 LOBB,R.(Di)7a & AVU-G-10-1 STAFF . . . 1 increase) and approximately $1.78 million (a $792,000, 2 1.12% increase) on the natural gas service side. The big 3 ticket issues identified by Staff for electric service 4 included: an annual reduction in power supply costs of 5 $6.8 million; a reduction in Return On Equity (ROE) to 6 10% for an annual revenue reduction of $4.3 million; 7 elimination of all salary increases back to January 1, 8 2009 for a revenue reduction of $1.35 million, 9 elimination of Lancaster transmission wheeling expense of 10 $1.6 million; and elimination of working capital of $1.26 11 million. The remaining identified reduction of $550,000 12 in annual revenue consisted of 10 other individual 13 adjustments. 14 On the natural gas side, Staff adjustments for 15 ROE, salaries and removal of Jackson Prairie storage 16 costs represented $1.5 million of the total identified 17 revenue requirement reduction of $1.78 million. 18 Q.How confident was Staff that its adj ustments 19 could be justified on the record and accepted by the 20 Commission upon hearing? 21 A.Staff took a very aggressive approach to 22 developing its revenue requirement adj ustments in 23 preparation for testimony and in preparing for settlement 24 negotiations.It is unlikely that all of the preliminary 25 adjustments presented by Staff in negotiations would havesurvi ved ongoing review to be presented at hearing and it CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 19 LOBB, R. (Di) 8 STAFF . . . 1 is unlikely that all of the adjustments presented at 2 hearing would have been accepted by the Commission. 3 For example, Staff proposed eliminating 90% of 4 the wheeling costs associated with the Lancaster power 5 plant. These costs are actually incurred by Avista to 6 wheel Lancaster power through Bonneville Power 7 Administration's (BPA) system to Avista' s service 8 terri tory. While a reasonable argument could have been 9 made to reduce the costs, it is questionable whether all 10 of the recommended reduction would have been accepted. 11 In addition, Staff had to further develop 12 justification to support the level of proposed reductions 13 in salaries, ROE and working capital before it was 14 presented in testimony. Company rebuttal at hearing 15 could have presented arguments that some or all of the 16 reductions were unjustified. On the gas service side, 17 Staff would have had to offset the proposed revenue 18 requirement reduction for removal of Jackson Prairie 19 storage with benefits included in the Company's case that 20 resulted from the addition of low cost natural gas 21 storage. 22 Finally, Staff could not ignore the $17.5 23 million in DSIT benefits offered by the Company as part 24 of the settlement. Given the complicated nature of the 25 accrual and the difficulty in identifying the level of CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 20 LOBB, R. (Di) 9 STAFF 1 tax benefits already returned to customers,Staff was not.2 confident that 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13.14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CASE NOS.AVU-E-10-1 21 LOBB,R.(Di)9a& AVU-G-10-1 STAFF . . . 1 it could justify this level of credit to customers at 2 hearing. 3 Q.How were the DSIT benefi ts derived and why are 4 they now available to offset the present rate increase? 5 A.The deferred state income taxes are booked when 6 there is a difference between the state income taxes paid 7 and the amount reflected on the Company's books. When 8 taxes and benefits are flowed through to customers, no 9 DSIT is booked. When taxes and benefits are normalized, 10 DSIT is booked. 11 Under normalization, the differential is then 12 distributed to customers over the life of the assets. 13 Federal and State tax laws usually dictate when 14 normalization must occur. There are other accounting 15 areas where the Company may elect to use either the 16 flow-through method or the normalization method. This 17 election once made is followed unless properly changed. 18 The DSIT amounts discussed here are a result of Idaho 19 taxes. No Federal or Washington State amounts are at 20 issue. 21 Avista originally flowed these items through 22 but changed to normalization when deregulation was being 23 explored by many entities, both companies and 24 commissions. Due to the timing of rate cases, not all 25 DSIT reflecting the normalization methodology was CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 22 LOBB, R. (Di) 10 STAFF .1 included in rates.In the last general rate cases,Case 2 Nos.AVU-E-09-1 and 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CASE NOS.AVU-E-10-1 23 LOBB,R.(Di)lOa & AVU-G-10-1 STAFF .1 AVU-G-09-1, the Company used the flow-through method for 2 state income tax. With that change in accounting 3 treatment, deferrals would not be booked. That left the 4 DSIT balance of approximately $11 million on the books 5 wi th a portion of those benefits belonging to customers. 6 Avista offered the full amount of $17.5 million ($11 7 million grossed-up for taxes) as rate mitigation in the 8 Settlement. 9 Q.Would all of the DSIT benefits used to mitigate 10 the rate increase in settlement have been available to 11 customers if this case had gone to hearing? .12 13 14 A.No. Staff believes that for a period of time DSIT was booked at a different level than was reflected in rates. In other words, customers actually received 15 more tax benefits during the period than are reflected in 16 the booked DSIT. Therefore, it could be demonstrated 17 that the Company rather than customers is entitled to a 18 larger portion of the $17.5 million DSIT. 19 Unfortunately, the mismatch in booked tax 20 versus the ratemaking treatment over time makes it nearly 21 impossible to accurately determine the exact allocation 22 between customers and shareholders of the $11 Million 23 ($17.5 million after tax gross-up) total DSIT booked 24 during the period. It would require extensive study to.25 track the actual amounts normalized in each case CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 24 LOBB, R. (Di) 11 STAFF 1 especially when there was a settlement or the amount is.2 not shown in the 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CASE NOS.AVU-E-10-1 25 LOBB,R.(Di)11a & AVU-G-10-1 STAFF . . . 1 rate case orders. Not only would it be time consuming 2 and costly but the result could be subj ect to dispute. 3 The Stipulated Settlement credits all of the DSIT to 4 customers for maximum benefit. 5 Q.Did any other party to the case indicate intent 6 to address the Company proposed revenue requirement in 7 the rate case? 8 A.One party indicated that it might address 9 appropriate ROE for the Company. Other than that, no 10 parties planned to address revenue requirement issues. 11 Q.Why are a new return on equity and other 12 specific revenue requirement adjustments not specified in 13 the Stipulation? 14 A. Specific adjustments and ROE were not specified 15 in the Stipulation to £acilitate agreement on the overall 16 revenue requirement. While the settlement parties 17 generally agreed on a reasonable level of revenue, there 18 was stark disagreement on the individual adj ustments 19 proposed to reach that revenue level. This was 20 particularly true with respect to ROE. Rather than 21 specify an ROE that all parties could not support, the 22 Stipulation simply specified an overall revenue 23 requirement that could be fully supported. 24 25 Q.Is the Company precluded from filing general rate cases over the next three years? CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 26 LOBB, R. (Di) 12 STAFF . . . 1 A. No. However, the issue of a rate case 2 moratorium was discussed during negotiations. While 3 Staff was concerned over the potential for multiple base 4 rate increases in a single year and requested a 5 moratorium as part of the Settlement package, it was not 6 included in the final Stipulation. In exchange for the 7 moratorium, the Company required an additional increase 8 in revenue requirement that Staff and other parties were 9 unable to support. The moratorium condition was 10 therefore dropped in lieu of a lower overall revenue 11 increase in this case. 12 Q.Could you please summarize why Staff supports 13 the revenue requirement portion of the Stipulation? 14 A. Yes. Staff maintains that the combination of 15 reduced base rate revenue requirement and the use of DSIT 16 benefits to mitigate the increases as specified in the 17 Stipulation is a better deal for customers than could 18 have been achievable through hearings. Staff's best case 19 scenario would have resulted in additional revenue of 20 approximately $32.7 million over two years ($16.34 21 million each year), if all Staff adjustments proposed at 22 settlement were accepted by the Commission. The 23 Stipulated Settlement specifies additional electric 24 revenue of $25.5 million over the two year period ($8.25 25 million in year one and 17.25 million in year two). CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 27 LOBB, R. (Di) 13 STAFF .1 2 had 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 Given that neither Staff nor any other party CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 28 LOBB, R. (Di) 13a STAFF . . . 1 identified any DSIT benefits available to customers prior 2 to settlement discussions, it is unclear how thoroughly 3 this information could have been reviewed before prefiled 4 direct testimony was due. Based on a preliminary review 5 by Staff, it appears that over half of the $17.5 million 6 DSIT might not have been normalized in rates so 7 effectively may have already been flowed through to 8 customers in past electric and natural gas rates.In any 9 case, the amount of the DSIT available to customers would 10 be subj ect to dispute at hearing. However, with the 11 Stipulated Settlement customers receive the full $17.5 12 million of the DSIT benefit. 13 Class Cost of Service 14 Q. Please describe the Stipulated Settlement with 15 respect to electric customer class cost of service and 16 revenue spread among classes. 17 A.The Stipulation does not accept the Company's 18 originally proposed class cost of service study but uses 19 a less modified version of the cost of service study last 20 approved by the Commission. The parties then agreed to 21 move all classes one quarter of the way to "full" cost of 22 service as proposed in the Company's original 23 application. 24 Q.What was the cost of service modification and 25 what was its impact?A. The cost of service study originally submitted CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 29 LOBB, R. (Di) 14 STAFF . . . 1 by the Company in this case showed that several customer 2 classes were below cost of service including the 3 residential class and several classes were above cost of 4 service. The Company then proposed that all customer 5 classes be moved one quarter of the way to "Full" cost of 6 service. This means that once the overall revenue 7 requirement increase is determined, those classes below 8 cost of service would receive a larger portion of the 9 increase and those above cost of service would receive a 10 smaller portion of the increase. 11 The cost of service methodology initially 12 proposed by the Company deviated from previously accepted 13 cost of service methodology in three significant ways. 14 It proposed a unique approach to the peak credit 15 classification of production costs as energy or demand 16 related; it classified all transmission costs as demand 17 related instead of a split between demand and energy; and 18 it used seven coincident peaks instead of all twelve 19 monthly coincident peaks in formulating the maj or demand 20 allocator. All of these proposed changes benefitted 21 large, high load factor customers or customer groups. 22 The Company proposed the cost of service 23 changes to benefit these customers because the Company 24 observed that they were struggling in today' s economy. 25 Several large customers had down-sized and at least one had gone CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 30 LOBB, R. (Di) 15 STAFF . . . lout of business. Staff observed that when costs are 2 shifted away from large customers they are shifted to the 3 other customer classes including the residential class, 4 all of whom are also experiencing the downturn in the 5 economy. In settlement, Staff accepted the classification 6 that all transmission costs be demand related only 7 because it is a more common cost of service practice. 8 The overall effect of settlement on cost of 9 service is an increase in the cost responsibility of the 10 residential class over what would have been allocated 11 under previously approved cost of service methodology, 12 but a lower allocation than that originally proposed by 13 the Company. 14 All parties agreed that the one quarter move to 15 full cost of service as originally proposed by the 16 Company was reasonable. Staff recognizes that this 17 relatively small move leaves some substantial room for 18 movement in future cases. 19 Q.Did the parties agree to evaluate electric cost 20 of service prior to the next Avista general rate case? 21 A.Yes. The parties agreed as part of the 22 Stipulation to convene a public workshop to discuss the 23 possibility of revising the peak credit method of 24 classifying production costs. Possible revisions include 25 the monthly production cost weightings (12cp vs. 7cp) and CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 31 LOBB, R. (Di) 16 STAFF . . . 14 1 allocation of transmission costs. 2 Q. What did the parties agree to with respect to 3 natural gas cost of service? 4 A.The parties agreed to accept the Company's 5 proposed cost of service methodology and move all classes 6 60% toward full cost of service except for transportation 7 service which will be moved fully to cost of service. 8 Staff supported this position because the methodology was 9 previously approved by the Commission and class increases 10 required to achieve 60% of full cost of service were all 11 within a reasonable range. Staff also supported a full 12 decrease in transportation rates to provide a more 13 accurate price signal reflecting cost of service for that class. 15 Rate Design 16 Q.The Stipulation provides for an increase in the 17 monthly electric residential customer charge. Why does 18 Staff support the increase? 19 A.The Company originally proposed to increase the 20 monthly electric and natural gas customer charges from 21 the current $4. 60/month to $6.75/month and from 22 $4.00/month to $6.75/ month, respectively. The 23 Stipulation limits the increase in the electric customer 24 charge to $0. 40/month from the current $4. 60/month to 25 $5.00 /month. No change in the monthly natural gas customer charge is proposed in the Stipulation. CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 32 LOBB, R. (Di) 17 STAFF . . . 1 Staff supported the limited customer charge 2 increase as part of a negotiated settlement and to 3 recognize the increased investment made by the Company to 4 install more sophisticated automated meters. 5 Q.Are there any other rate design changes 6 specified in the Stipulation? 7 A.No. The residential energy rate differential 8 for electric energy consumption between the first and 9 second block will not change from the differential that 10 currently exists. This is consistent with the Company's 11 original proposal and provides a reasonable spread 12 between the first and second blocks in Staff's opinion. 13 The Stipulation does include a provision to convene a 14 public workshop prior to the Company's next general rate 15 case to discuss the appropriate threshold between the 16 size of the first tier and second tier energy blocks for 17 residential electric service. Staff welcomes such a 18 discussion. 19 Q.What are the new first year residential energy 20 rates and what is the impact on customer bills? 21 A.The base residential energy rates will increase 22 from $0. 0695/kWh to $0.0777 5/kWh for the first 600 kWh 23 per month and from $0.07867 /kWh to $0. 08691/kWh for 24 energy use above 600 kWh per month. The differential 25 between the first and second block rate is maintained at CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 33 LOBB, R. (Di) 18 STAFF . . 20 21 22 23 24.25 1 $0. 0092/kWh. The first year base energy rates with the 2 DSIT credit is 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 34 LOBB, R. (Di) 18a STAFF . . . 1 $0.0735/kWh for the first 600 kWh per month and 2 $0.0818/kWh for energy use above 600 kWh per month. The 3 residential rate impact of the proposed Stipulation and 4 Settlement is shown on Staff Exhibit No. 102. 5 Natural gas rate changes for all customer 6 classes are shown on page 7 of Attachment B to the 7 Stipulation and Settlement. 8 DSM Prudency 9 Q.The Stipulation in this case includes an 10 agreement that Avista' s demand side management (DSM) 11 expenses in 2008 and 2009 were prudently incurred for the 12 benefi t of its Idaho customers. What are the costs 13 associated with DSM for those two years? 14 A. The testimony filed by Avista does not state 15 Idaho-specific DSM costs, but the Company's 2008 and 2009 16 DSM annual reports contain this information. Table 17 14(EG) in the 2008 report indicates that $4,079,015 was 18 spent for DSM funded by Idaho electricity customers and 19 that $2,143,380 was spent for DSM funded by Idaho natural 20 gas customers. Similarly, Tables 11 and 12 in the 2009 21 report show Idaho electricity-funded DSM costs of 22 $5,335,909 and $2,468,528 of costs funded by Idaho 23 natural gas customers. 24 Total DSM expenditures in Idaho for 2008 and 25 2009 were $9,414,924 funded by electricity customers and $4,611,908 funded by natural gas customers. CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 35 LOBB, R. (Di) 19 STAFF . . . i Q. How will the approximate $14 million spent by 2 Avista for DSM programs affect electric and natural gas 3 rates? 4 A.DSM costs will have no direct effect on 5 tariffed energy rates because Avista' s electricity and 6 natural gas DSM programs are funded through energy 7 efficiency tariff riders, Schedules 91 and 191, 8 respecti vely. Indirectly, however, prudent and 9 cost-effective DSM programs, by definition, reduce the 10 total of all bills paid by Avista' s customers. In short, 11 while customers do pay for Avista' s DSM programs through 12 the energy efficiency tariff riders, a prudency finding 13 for past expenses will not affect the base rates under 14 consideration in this case. 15 Q.Why does Staff support a prudency finding for 16 2008/2009 DSM expenditures as part of the settlement in 17 this case? 18 A.Staff believes that Avista' s DSM efforts in 19 2008 and 2009 were generally reasonable and 20 cost-effecti ve and that sufficient progress is being made 21 toward improving the processes and transparency of its 22 program evaluations. 23 In last year's rate case (AVU-E-O 9-01 and 24 AVU-G-09-01), the Staff recommended that Avista i s request 25 for a prudency finding of its January through November CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 36 LOBB, R. (Di) 20 STAFF .1 2008 DSM costs be deferred " . . . until such time that the 2 Company is able to provide comprehensi ve evaluationsmore 3 of its DSM 4 5 / 6 7 / 8 9 / 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CASE NOS.AVU-E-10-1 37 LOBB,R.(Di)20a & AVU-G-10-1 STAFF .1 programs and efforts." After the conclusion of that 2 case, the Staff convened a DSM evaluation workshop with 3 Avista Utili ties, Idaho Power Company and Rocky Mountain 4 Power. The outcome of the workshop was a Memorandum of 5 Understanding (MOU) signed in December 2009 by Staff and 6 a representative of each of the three utilities. The MOU 7 included evaluation and reporting prerequisites that will 8 allow Staff to evaluate DSM prudency requests by the 9 utili ties. Because the MOD agreement was not reached 10 until the end of 2009, it contained language indicating 11 Staff would allow reasonable leniency for reporting DSM 12 program evaluations through 2009. The MOU also contained.13 14 15 specific language allowing Avista Utilities to re-file its 2008 DSM prudency request without Staff opposition. Q.Please describe Avista' s progress in its DSM 16 evaluation and reporting since the MOU was signed. 17 A.As a result of the Commission deferring 18 Avista' s request for a DSM prudency finding in Case Nos. 19 AVU-E-09-01 and AVU-G-09-01, the aforementioned MOU, and 20 similar DSM evaluation questions being raised in a 21 Washington Utili ties and Transportation Commission 22 docket, Avista formed a collaborative process to examine 23 DSM evaluation and low-income program issues. As part of 24 this effort, the Company has been diligently working on a.25 comprehensive DSM Evaluation, Measurement and Verification (EM&V) Framework CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 38 LOBB, R. (Di) 21 STAFF . . 1 for review by collaborative members, including the IPUC 2 Staff. The Company has contracted with 3 nationally-respected DSM evaluation experts to improve 4 its own understanding as well as the collaborative's 5 understanding of evaluation best practices. The Company 6 recently reorganized its DSM group to further separate 7 DSM evaluation, policy and planning from DSM 8 implementation. Finally, the Company's Energy Efficiency 9 Annual Report filed on April 1, 2010, which shows 2009 10 DSM performance, is much more detailed than its former 11 "Triple-E" reports. In short, although Avista' s DSM 12 evaluation and reporting are not yet at the level 13 anticipated by the MOU, and Staff has suggested further 14 refinements as part of its comments in Case No. 15 AVD-G-10-02, the Company appears to be making reasonable 16 progress toward addressing remaining insufficiencies. 17 Thus Staff is exercising the "reasonable and necessary 18 leeway" during transition years as contemplated by the 19 MOU. The MOD is attached as Staff Exhibit No. 103. 20 Consumer Issues 21 Q.Could you please describe the basis of Staff's 22 support for the Service Commitments described in Section 23 16 (c) of the Stipulation? .24 25 A.Yes. The Company has agreed to address several areas of concern to Staff. Perhaps most important with CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 39 LOBB, R. (Di) 22 STAFF . . . 1 respect to rate impact, the Company has committed to 2 review its policies and address in its next general rate 3 case the appropriateness of charging for services it now 4 provides without charge to customers or other parties, 5 e. g., establishing new accounts or managing 6 tenant/landlord accounts. The Company also will 7 re-examine its existing non-recurring charges to 8 determine whether those amounts cover a reasonable 9 portion of the Company's current cost to provide those 10 services. Staff believes it is prudent to re-examine the 11 cost of providing non-recurring or on-going services, 12 particularly where those services are discretionary and 13 are clearly linked to a particular customer or 14 third-party rather than customers in general. 15 Appropriately pricing such services more closely aligns 16 costs with benefits and reduces the upward pressure on 17 rates. 18 The Company has agreed to use its best efforts 19 to meet or exceed its current service level standard (the 20 percentage of calls answered within a defined number of 21 seconds) as established by the Company. Utili ties must 22 be accessible to customers, and an important measure of 23 that accessibility is how promptly calls from customers 24 are answered. Staff has expressed concerns in the past 25 about both the Company's service level standard (80% of CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 40 LOBB, R. (Di) 23 STAFF 1 calls answered within 60 seconds)and the Company's.2 performance 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13.14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CASE NOS.AVU-E-10-1 41 LOBB,R.(Di)23a& AVU-G-10-1 STAFF . . . 1 in reaching the goals it has set for itself. Given 2 Avista's target, which should be readily achievable, 3 Staff believes it is necessary that the Company focus its 4 attention on improving its performance in this area. 5 Avista has agreed to hold at least five energy 6 conservation workshops for senior citizens in different 7 Idaho communities prior to December 31, 2011. This 8 program is targeted to seniors who might find themselves 9 in tight financial situations that cause them to reduce 10 their use of space heating in order to cut monthly bills. 11 The primary goal of the workshops is to provide education 12 on how to conserve energy without compromising comfort, 13 heal th, and safety. This program has been offered in 14 Washington, but not in Idaho. The Company previously 15 indicated to Staff that it would implement the program in 16 Idaho in 2009, but that did not occur. 17 The Company has agreed to begin tracking and 18 reporting to the Commission monthly data regarding 19 customer credit activity. Staff is in the process of 20 developing a database to track residential customer 21 arrearages, service disconnections, and reconnect ions . 22 The data will enhance Staff's ability to more promptly 23 identify and respond to credit-related issues and more 24 fully inform the Commission on issues related to future 25 policy development. The Company has also agreed to actively manage CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 42 LOBB, R. (Di) 24 STAFF . . . 1 the Low Income Weatherization and Low Income Energy 2 Conservation Education Programs to assure that the stated 3 goals and obj ecti ves of these programs are achieved and 4 that costs associated with these programs are prudently 5 incurred. Consistent with the terms of the DSM prudency 6 MOU mentioned above, Staff believes these customer-funded 7 programs need to be actively managed, not merely 8 underwri tten. 9 Q.Would you please explain Staff's support for 10 addi tional funding for low income weatherization and low 11 income DSM education? 12 A.Yes. Staff agreed to an increase in low income 13 weatherization funding and additional funding for low 14 income education programs in an effort to continue 15 improvement in energy affordabili ty. The increase in low 16 income weatherization and education funding helps fill a 17 growing need for programs that assist customers in 18 reducing their monthly bills. They also save energy and 19 help to reduce Company uncollectible billings to the 20 benefi t of all customers. With the Company's improved 21 commitment to program oversight, Staff anticipates that 22 the cost effectiveness of these programs will improve. 23 Q.Has the Company agreed to work with Staff to 24 address some of the other concerns it has raised? 25 Yes.In coordination with Staff, Avista willA. CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 LOBB, R. (Di) 25 STAFF 43 .1 develop and conduct a study on its deposit policy and 2 practices with respect to residential customers. Among 3 the obj ecti ves of the study would be to determine if 4 current deposit policy correctly identifies customers who 5 pose a credit risk to the Company, encourages customers 6 who pose a credit risk to improve payment habits, and 7 reduces the amount of credit and collection activity as 8 well as bad debt associated with those customer accounts. 9 An earlier deposit study independently conducted by 10 Avista fell short of Staff's expectations and the hope is 11 that a more collaborative approach will answer key 12 questions about the efficacy of collecting deposits,.13 particularly with respect to influencing individual 14 customers' payment behavior. 15 The Company also will work with Commission 16 Staff to address Staff's concerns about Avista' s policies 17 and practices with respect to:(a) opening and closing 18 customer accounts and (b) offering term payment 19 arrangements to customers. Staff has identified several 20 issues that fall under these two topics that require 21 further discussion in order to more fully resolve. Given 22 its posi ti ve working relationship with Avista and the 2 3 Company' s commitment in this case, Staff expects to be 24 able to reach resolution on these issues..25 Q.Does this conclude your direct testimony in CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 LOBB, R. (Di) 26 STAFF 44 CASE NOS. AVU-E-10-1 & AVU-G-10-1 45 LOBB, R. (Di) 27 STAFF . . . 1 2 open hearing.) (The following proceedings were had in MR. HOWELL: With that, Mr. Chairman, Mr. 4 Lobb is available for questions. 3 5 6 Mr. Meyer? 7 8 9 10 Mr. Chairman. 11 12 13 14 15 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Thank you. MR. MEYER: I have no cross. Thank you. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Richardson? MR. RICHARDSON: I have no questions, COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Any questions? MR. PURDY: No questions. Thank you . COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Any questions? MR. OTTO: None, sir. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Well, inasmuch as 16 there are no questions, I will ask the Commission if they 17 have any questions. You thought I was going to leave you 19 18 out, didn't you? 20 wouldn't. 21 COMMISSIONER SMITH: No, I knew you 22 Commissioner Smith. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Go ahead, 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 46 LOBBStaff .1 EXAMINATION 2 3 BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: 4 Q Mr. Lobb, in this settlement agreement, 5 the state deferred income taxes have been used to kind of 6 buy down the rate increase for two years, what happens in 7 Year 3? 8 A In Year 3 the credit, the final year the 9 credi t, would go away and the rates would go up to the 10 full base rate increase that is stipulated and specified 11 in the stipulation, so we start with a base rate increase 12 of, I think it's, 25.5 million, it's bought down by 13.13 14 million in the first year. I think it's 2.72 million in the second year, and then the last year is 1.74. Let me 15 check on that. I want to make sure that's correct. 16 MR. HOWELL: And Mr. Chairman, to speed 17 this up, Mr. Lobb might want to look at page 4 of his 18 Exhibit 101. 19 THE WITNESS: Yes, on page 4, it shows 20 exactly what will happen. It provides an increase in 21 base rates of 21.25 million and that is bought down by 13 22 million in Year 1 and then 4 million in Year 2, and then 23 at the end of Year 2, the 4 million goes away and so base 24 rates will be maintained at 21.25 million from that point.25 forward absent other rate increases. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 47 LOBB (Com)Staff . . . 1 Q BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: Right; so if there 2 are no other rate increases, by Year 3 the rates will 3 have risen 9.25 percent? 4 A That's correct. 5 Q On page 19 your testimony, you talk about 6 the demand side management expenses in 2008 and 2009 and 7 you -- I guess my question is the DSM surcharge was 8 increased in a separate case; correct? 9 A For the gas rider- only, not for the 10 electric. The electric rider was not increased, has not 11 been increased for quite some time. 12 Q And I'm confused because I thought we had 13 a case for that. 14 A We had a case for PacifiCorp to increase 15 the rider and we recently increased that to, I believe, 16 4. 72 percent, but not the electric rider for this 17 Company. 18 Q But the gas rider is increased? 19 A Yes, it has been increased. 20 Q So that raises the bill in addition to 21 anything that happens in this case? 22 A That's correct. 23 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Okay, thank you. 24 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Commissioner 25 Kempton? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 48 LOBB (Com)Staff . . . 1 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Thank you, 2 Mr. Chairman. 3 4 EXAMINATION 5 6 BY COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: 7 Q I have a couple of questions. Most of the 8 questions that I have as I went through the stipulation 9 have actually been answered in the testimony by Mr. Lobb 10 and I'm curious about, Mr. Lobb, the expression of 11 purpose associated with rate spread when it comes to 12 assigning transmission 100 percent to demand.If you do 13 it here, does it set precedence in the future for 14 assigning transmission totally to demand? 15 A One of the things the stipulation includes 16 is a workshop to look at cost of service issues, 17 including whether it is reasonable to assign transmission 18 100 percent based on demand, among other things the 12CP 19 versus 7CP, so the Staff believed that it was a more 20 common practice in cost of service to allocate 21 transmission on 100 percent demand.It's been done in 22 other jurisdictions and other cost of service 23 methodologies approved by the Commission, so we thought 24 that was a reasonable step to take as part of the 25 settlement process, but we will certainly look at that as CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 49 LOBB (Com)Staff . . 1 well as many other factors in the future. 2 Q And Commissioner Smith caught the question 3 that I had on the out-year happenings after we run 4 through the allocation of the $17.5 million through three 5 years, so I don't have a question there. I had a 6 question in relationship, and I don't know if I'm going 7 to find it on the tab, okay, on page 2 of the stipulation 8 and settlement agreement that's presented by Avista, 9 there's an item that the Company will work with the 10 Commission Staff to address Staff's concerns about 11 Avista' s policies and practices with respect to opening 12 and closing customer accounts and offering term payment 13 arrangements to customers. I had a note here as to what 14 those concerns were, but again, in looking back at your 15 testimony, I see that you went into some detail there in 16 the areas related to practices not currently happening 17 but anticipated to happen in the future. That's 18 essentially the gist of that section; right? 19 A Yes, it's things that the Staff are 20 currently concerned about with regard to the consumer 21 issues that we want to continue to work with the Company 22 on, get some resolution. 23 Q Okay, then I had a question on DSM and I 24 tabbed it, but if I don't find it here real quick, I'm.25 just going to -- okay, under the energy efficiency CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 50 LOBB (Com)Staff .1 expenditures and prudence for those, there's quite a long 2 discourse that you present on the acceptance of this 3 section as being prudent and reasonable and it 4 essentially in my mind boils down to terms in the MOU 5 between the three utili ties regulated by the Commission 6 and the Commission Staff related to future practices and 7 anticipations in determining prudency and then the 8 long-term cost effectiveness of those programs, but it 9 seems to me that there's enough uncertainty in things 10 that have and have not started in this, so really what it 11 boils down to is the condition that's in the MOU on 12 reasonable and necessary as the primary condition on.13 14 15 which you're moving forward as the recommendation for acceptance. A We anticipated a period prior to reporting 16 based upon the MOU, future reporting, whereby the Company 17 hadn't necessarily conducted all of the studies and 18 evaluation, applied the evaluation methodology that we 19 believed they should have and reported those activities 20 in their annual DSM reports and so as a condition of the 21 MOU, we tried to factor in that transition from what they 22 were doing that we believed was not quite adequate to 23 what the MOD specifies that they will do in the future, 24 and as part of that MOU and the agreement between Staff.25 and the utili ties, we would provide some leniency, CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 51 LOBB (Com)Staff .1 recognizing that it's very difficult for them to go back 2 and do evaluations on past programs and expenditures, but 3 if they do it going forward, then we would look at that 4 in the light that they haven't done the evaluations that 5 we thought were necessary, so it's a transition period 6 and that's what is recognized in the MOU and that's what 7 we're applying for the '08-' 09 expenditures. 8 Q Okay, then the last question has to do 9 with ROE and that comes out of your testimony and the 10 indication of the fact that it was an area where there 11 was considerable disagreements on specific areas of 12 assignment, but in general, everybody signed on to a.13 general ROE that was acceptable for the purposes of the 14 stipulation. One of the concerns that I always have in 15 settlements when you're not looking at the full rate case 16 because you recognize that there are particular interests 17 of particular groups in trying to define particular 18 return on investments, on equity, there are certain 19 perceptions of how they think the Company should be 20 functioning in terms of the revenue line and so it's not 21 something where in a settlement we're moving directly 22 forward, it's more like we're tacking into the wind and 23 we're getting to the same -- we have an objective, but 24 it's not necessarily the one that -- it is the one that.25 everybody can agree to, but it's a conglomeration of CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 52 LOBB (Com)Staff .1 separate interests in separate issues that in this case 2 you went into quite long detail on the different 3 interests of the individual parties on ROE. Would you in 4 light of that expansive introduction, would you give your 5 comment on how you see the ROE that's been established in 6 this case, the settlement? 7 A Well, first of all, I would state that 8 there is no ROE established in this case. What the 9 parties agreed to is an overall revenue requirement that 10 didn't specify in fact, the Company came in and made a 11 request for a revenue requirement that included a 12 specific ROE. The Staff made adj ustment proposals and.13 ROE proposals that got the revenue requirement down to a 14 level that we believed was appropriate, and during 15 negotiations, there was disagreement on both the 16 adjustments that the Staff had proposed and the ROE that 17 was proposed and there was no agreement on ROE. We could 18 agree on an overall revenue requirement total, but the 19 parties could not agree on an ROE and so what we decided 20 to do was not specify an ROE and for the purposes of 21 those methodologies that needed an ROE, we would use the 22 one last approved by the Commission, but otherwise, there 23 would be no specified ROE. 24 It would be left to people looking at the.25 deal and seeing what was for specific adjustments and CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 53 LOBB (Com)Staff .1 expenses and what might be an ROE that would fallout of 2 that, but we believed that it was easier to arrive at a 3 revenue requirement and we were able to do that, but if 4 we had tried to specify an ROE, either the Staff or the 5 Company would have obj ected to that. 6 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Thank you for 7 fine-tuning my comment on that, because I recognized in 8 the long run that it was a revenue requirement that 9 prevailed and I was careless in the way I used the ROE 10 characterization in terms of what the final one would be 11 for the Company, so I appreciate that clarification. I . . 12 have no further questions, Mr. Chairman. 13 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Thank you. 14 15 EXAMINATION 16 17 BY COMMISSIONER REDFORD: 18 Mr. Lobb, just a couple of questions withQ 19 regard to the tax credit. I f you know, is the tax 20 credi t, and I'm not a tax lawyer so I don't know, one 21 which you either use the creditor you lose the credit? 22 Do you know whether or not -- maybe Avista can handle 23 that question. 24 My understanding is that the credit isA 25 simply an overpayment that's booked on taxes that are CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 54 LOBB (Com)Staff . . . 1 included in rates and taxes actually paid by the 2 Company. 3 Q Okay. 4 So generally, under normalized taxA 5 methodology, the customers would get that back over time 6 under the normal course of events, but given the change 7 in the tax methodology, flow-through versus normalization 8 that occurred since the late '90s, there is a question as 9 to how much has been actually flowed through,how much has been normali zed,how much has been paid by customers, how much tax has not been paid by customers over that period,so it raises the issue of mismatch between taxes 10 11 12 13 paid by customers and taxes that the Company actually 14 paid. 15 Q But in any event,the customers get the benefi t of the tax credit in any event? A Well,with the settlement and the $17.5 million which is the grossed-up 11 million that was 16 17 18 19 deferred, customers get all of that benefit and there's 20 no dispute about how much they're entitled to. 21 I'm just a little concerned why you choseQ 22 two years as the payback period for the tax credit. The 23 reason I say that is because at the end of the two years, 24 or starting the third year, there's going to be, without 25 some other proceeding there's going to be, a large jump CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 55 LOBB (Com)Staff .1 in rates to make up for the monies that were used by the 2 tax credit. 3 A That's true. There's lots of 4 permutations, I think, that you could have looked at and 5 we looked at quite a few different combinations of first 6 year, second year, third year, how you might spread the 7 tax credit and mitigate the increase. We tried not to 8 have an inordinately large increase in a single year. I 9 think we're 3. 6, we're about 3.9 in the second year. The 10 parties, I believed, wanted the vast maj ori ty of the 11 credi ts in the first year to mitigate the first year 12 increase and then deal with the loss of that credit in.13 the next year and so that's what we tried to do. We 14 tried to front-load the credit to reduce the first year 15 increase, recognizing that that's going to create a 16 larger increase than otherwise would occur in the second 17 year. 18 Q Now, what do we do starting the third 19 year, because it seems to me like after two years have 20 passed that you certainly need to test the effect of that 21 on what the present financial condition of the Company 22 is? Do you envision that we will come back and before 23 those new rates go into effect, do we have some sort of a 24 proceeding to test what the impact on the ROE would be,.25 what the impact on other financial issues having had two CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 56 LOBB (Com) Staff .1 years pass? 2 A Well, unfortunately, I believe the Company 3 is going to come in with other general rate cases on top 4 of this phased-in increase that we have agreed to in this 5 case. As far as the Staff is concerned, we have agreed 6 to a base rate increase and that's not subject to later 7 review as part of the stipulation. What will be subj ect 8 to later review is any additional increase on top of this 9 phased-in amount that we have agreed to in this case. 10 Q But don't misunderstand me, I don't obj ect 11 to the way it's been done, I just had wondered how the 12 effect was going to be on the third year given the.13 passage of two years. 14 A Well, most of the increase is in Year 1 15 and Year 2. The third year increase over the prior year 16 will be relatively small. I think it's -- let me look on 17 page 4 -- I think it's 1.74. 18 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Well, I don't have 19 any further questions, Mr. Lobb. Thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Mr. Chairman? 21 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Yes, Commissioner 22 Smith. 23 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Could you please 24 remind me what was the last authorized return on equity.25 for this Company? I didn't pick it out or is that a CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 57 LOBB (Com)Staff .1 question for Mr. Norwood? 2 THE WITNESS: I don't have that 3 information. I think it was 10.5, but I would have to 4 check. 5 6 Norwood. 7 8 9 COMMISSIONER SMITH: I'll check with Mr. THE WITNESS: Okay. COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: I have no further 10 questions. Does that conclude -- excuse me, I'll turn it 11 over for cross-examination. .12 13 14 any questions? 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 MR. HOWELL: Staff has no redirect. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, do you have MR. MEYER: No, Your Honor. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Richardson? MR. RICHARDSON: No, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Purdy? MR. PURDY: None. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Sir? MR. OTTO: None. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, thank you. 23 You may be excused. 24 (The witness left the stand.).25 MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, that concludes CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 58 LOBB (Com)Staff .1 the Staff's case. 2 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Are you going to 3 offer the stipulation now or later? 4 MR. HOWELL: It might be appropriate after 5 you've heard all the testimony from the other parties 6 that we would then accept the exhibits and the 7 stipulation is already a matter of record. 8 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay. Sir? 9 MR. MEYER: Very good, Chairman Redford, 10 call Mr. Norwood to the stand. 11 12. . KELLY O. NORWOOD, 13 produced as a witness at the instance of the Avista 14 Corporation, having been first duly sworn, was examined 15 and testified as follows: 16 17 DIRECT EXAMINATION 18 19 BY MR. MEYER: 20 Mr. Norwood, for the record, would youQ 21 please state your name and your employer? 22 Yes, Kelly Norwood. I work for AvistaA 2 3 Utilities. 24 And have you prepared prefiled testimonyQ 25 in support of the stipulation? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 59 NORWOOD (Di) Avista Corporation .1 A Yes, I have. Do you have any changes or corrections to No, I do not. So if I were to ask you the questions that 6 appear in that prefiled testimony, would your answers be 2 Q Yes. The information contained therein is true 10 and correct to the best of your knowledge? 11 12.13 3 make to that? 4 A 5 Q 7 the same? 8 A 9 Q A Yes. MR. MEYER: With that, Mr. Chairman, I ask that Mr. Norwood's testimony be entered into the record 14 as if read. 15 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Fine. 16 (The following prefiled testimony of Mr. 17 Kelly Norwood is spread upon the record.) . 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 60 NORWOOD (Di) Avista Corporation .1 I . INTRODUCTION 2 Q.Please state your name, employer and business 3 address. 4 A.My name is Kelly O. Norwood and I am employed 5 as the Vice-President of State and Federal Regulation for 6 Avista Utilities ("Company" or "Avista"), at 1411 East 7 Mission Avenue, Spokane, Washington. 8 Q.Would you briefly describe your educational 9 background and professional experience? 10 A.Yes.I am a graduate of Eastern Washington 11 University with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Business 12 Administration, majoring in Accounting.I joined the.13 Company in June of 1981. Over the past 29 years, I have 14 spent approximately 18 years in the Rates Department with 15 involvement in cost of service, rate design, revenue 16 requirements and other aspects of ratemaking. I spent 17 approximately 11 years in the Energy Resources Department 18 (power supply and natural gas supply) in a variety of 19 roles, with involvement in resource planning, system 20 operations, resource analysis, negotiation of power 21 contracts, and risk management. I was appointed 22 Vice-President of State & Federal Regulation in March 23 2002. 24 Q.What is the scope of your pre-filed testimony.25 in this proceeding? 61 Norwood, Di 1 Avista Corporation . 10 11 . 20 21 . 1 A. The purpose of my testimony is to describe and 2 support the Stipulation and Settlement (" Stipulation") , 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 22 23 24 25 62 Norwood, Di la Avista Corporation . . . 1 filed on July 26, 2010 between the Staff of the Idaho 2 Public Utilities Commission (" Staff"), Clearwater Paper 3 Corporation ("Clearwater"), Idaho Forest Group, LLC 4 (" Idaho Forest"), the Community Action Partnership 5 Association of Idaho ("CAPAI"), the Snake River Alliance 6 (" Snake River"), the Idaho Conservation League 7 ("Conservation League"), and the Company, which, if 8 approved by the Commission, would resolve all of the 9 issues in the Company's filing. These entities are 1 0 collectively referred to as the "Parties," and represent 11 all parties in the above-referenced cases that 12 participated in settlement discussions. 1 13 The Stipulation is the product of settlement 14 discussions held in the Commission offices on July 6 and 15 8, 2010, which were attended by signatories to the 16 Stipulation. The Stipulation between the Parties 1 7 resolved all issues associated with the calculation of 18 the Company's requested revenue requirement, all issues 19 related to rate spread and rate design, provides 20 additional funding for low income energy efficiency 21 measures and education, and also provides for future 22 workshops to address certain customer service-related 23 issues. 24 The Stipulation represents a compromise among 25 differing points of view. Concessions were made by all 63 Norwood, Di 2 Avista Corporation . . . 1 Parties to reach a balancing of interests.As will be 2 explained in the 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 1 The Idaho Community Action Network and North Idaho Energy Logs f Inc. f as intervenors f were provided notice of the settlement discussions f but did not 25 participate _ 64 Norwood, Di 2a Avista Corporation . . . 1 following testimony, the Stipulation represents a fair, 2 just and reasonable compromise of the issues and is in 3 the public interest. 4 Q.Please explain how the Parties arrived at the 5 Stipulation in this proceeding. 6 A.The Stipulation is the end result of extensive 7 audi t work conducted through the discovery process and 8 hard bargaining by all Parties in this proceeding. I 9 would like to express my appreciation to all Parties 10 involved in this proceeding for their efforts in arriving 11 at this Stipulation and to this Commission for your 12 willingness to hear this matter promptly, in light of the 13 proposed October 1 effective date. 14 Q. Would you briefly summarize the Stipulation? 15 A.Yes. Under the terms of the settlement 16 agreement, Avista would be allowed to implement revised 17 tariff schedules designed to recover $21.25 million in 18 addi tional annual electric revenue, which represents a 19 9.25% increase in electric annual base tariff revenues. 20 Avista would also be allowed to implement revised tariff 21 schedules designed to recover $1.85 million in additional 22 annual natural gas revenue, which represents a 2.6% 23 increase in natural gas annual base tariff revenues. 24 Included in the Stipulation is a rate impact mitigation 25 plan wherein the increases are partially offset by $17.5 65 Norwood, Di 3 Avista Corporation . . . 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 million of Deferred State Income Taxes (DSIT) that would 2 be passed through to customers. 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 66 Norwood, Di 3a Avista Corporation . . . 1 This DSIT represents the balance of Idaho state deferred 2 income taxes from prior years, which is discussed below. 3 The Parties agree that this settlement is not 4 contingent upon any specific methodology for individual 5 components of the revenue requirement determination, but 6 all Parties support the overall increase to the Company's 7 revenue requirement, and agree that the overall increase 8 represents a fair, just and reasonable compromise of the 9 issues in this proceeding and that this Stipulation is in 10 the public interest. 11 As part of the Stipulation, the annual funding level 12 of the existing low-income Demand Side Management 13 programs would be increased to $700,000, up from the 14 current $465,000. The funding to assist low-income 15 energy efficiency outreach and education would be 16 increased from $25,000 to $40,000. 17 Q.Would you briefly summarize the rate impact 18 mitigation plan? 19 A.Yes. The DSIT reflected on the Company's 20 balance sheet totals approximately $11.1 million, and 21 when adjusted for the effect of the revenue conversion 22 factor of 0.63676, totals approximately $17.5 million, 23 representing normalization of state income taxes for a 24 period of years. As part of this mitigation plan, the 25 Parties agree to credit $17 million of the DSIT to 67 Norwood, Di 4 Avista Corporation .1 electric customers over two years to help offset the rate 2 impact,and $0.5 million to natural 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 68 Norwood,Di 4aAvistaCorporation . . . 1-'gas customers for one year to help offset a portion of 2 the first year rate increase. 3 The $17 million DSIT credit would offset electric 4 prices for customers for two years, reducing the impact 5 of the electric rate increase effective Oct. 1, 2010, 6 from an overall 9.25 percent to 3.59 percent.wi th the 7 offsetting credit, a residential customer using an 8 average of 1,000 kilowatt-hours a month would see a $3.50 9 per month increase, or 4.3 percent, for a revised monthly 10 bill of $84.40. 11 As part of the phase-in of the DSIT, electric rates 12 would increase 3.92 percent Oct. 1, 2011, and 1.74 13 percent Oct. 1, 2012, after which the temporary credi t 14 would expire.This is shown in the following table: 15 16 Year 1 (October 1,2010) Year 2 (October 1,2011) Year 3 (October 1,2012) 17 Total Increase $21.25 mion 9.25% $21.25 mion 9.25%$21.25 mion 9.25% 18 ".".............~...... ..., -.." . - ...j ......~.... -.. Less - DSIT Credit $0.00 mion O.()/o$13.00 mion '; 5.66%,$4.00 mion 1.74% 19 Less - Prior Increase $0.00 mion. 0.00.$8.25 mion 3.59% $17.25 mion 7.51% 20 Net Increase to Customers 54.00 millon 1.74% 21 22 The DSIT credit would reduce, for one year, the 23 natural gas rate increase from 2.6 percent to 1.9 24 percent.The revised monthly bill for a customer using 25 an average of 65 therms a month would increase $ 1.71 from 69 Norwood, Di 5 Avista Corporation .1 $57.69 to $59.40. 2 Q.Please elaborate the DSIT funds that areon 3 being used to mitigate the impact of the rate increase. 4 5 / 6 7 / 8 9 / 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 70 Norwood,Di 5aAvistaCorporation . . . 1 A. Deferred SIT (DSIT) has been on the Company's 2 books since the mid-1990s. Deferrals ceased when rates 3 were approved in Case Nos. AVU-E-09-01 and AVU-G-09-01 4 that reflected the flow-through method for state income 5 taxes. The switch to the flow-through method provided 6 the opportunity to make the DSIT balances available to 7 partially offset the general rate case electric and 8 natural gas rate increases. 9 The DSIT balances were created by the differences 10 between book and tax depreciation. The tax effect of the 11 difference between book and tax depreciation was deferred 12 and created the balance of deferred state income taxes. 13 The balance of deferred state income taxes is the 14 resul t of normalizing state income taxes for ratemaking 15 purposes. Case Nos. AVU-E-09-01 and AVU-G-09-01 16 reflected the switch to the flow-through method for state 17 income taxes. 18 II. HISTORY OF FILING 19 Q.Please describe the Company's general rate case 20 request, as filed. 21 A.On March 23, 2010, Avista filed an Application 22 wi th the Commission for authority to increase revenue for 23 electric and natural gas service in Idaho by 14% and 24 3.6% , respectively.If approved, the Company's revenues 25 for electric base retail rates would have increased by $32.1 71 Norwood, Di 6 Avista Corporation . . . 1 million annually; Company revenues for natural gas 2 service would have increased by $2. 6 million annually. 3 The Company proposed to spread the electric revenue 4 increase by rate schedule, utilizing the results of the 5 cost of service study, on a basis which: 1) moved the 6 rates for all the schedules closer to the cost of 7 providing service, and 2) resulted in a reasonable range 8 in the proposed percentage increase across the schedules. 9 The Company also proposed to raise the monthly electric 10 residential basic charge to $6.75 from the current $4.60 11 charge. 12 The Company proposed utilizing the results of the 13 natural gas cost of service study, as a guide in 14 spreading the overall revenue increase to its natural gas 15 service schedules and proposed to raise the natural gas 16 residential basic charge to $6.75 from the current $4.00. 17 Q.What are the primary factors causing the 18 Company's request for an electric rate increase in this 19 filing? 20 A.The Company's electric request is driven 21 primarily by an increase in production and transmission 22 expenses, due to the addition of the Lancaster plant 23 Power Purchase Agreement (PPA) in base rates, the 2 4 termination of some low-cost power purchases, reduced 25 hydro generation, and increased fuel costs. These costs 72 Norwood, Di 7 Avista Corporation . . . 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 equate to approximately 80% of the Company's overall 2 request. In addition, 12% of the request is due to 3 investing large amounts of capital in the Company's hydro 4 and thermal generation proj ects, and 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 / 11 12 73 Norwood, Di 7 a Avista Corporation . . . 1 transmission and distribution upgrades.In addition, the 2 Company continues to experience increasing costs related 3 to meeting new reliability standards, from additional 4 compliance requirements, and the need to replace aging 5 infrastructure.It is simply not possible to cut other 6 costs enough to offset these cost increases, as explained 7 in the Company's original filing. 8 Q.What are the primary factors driving the 9 Company's request for a natural gas rate increase? 10 A.The Company's natural gas request is primarily 11 driven by the inclusion in this case of the increased 12 plant investment and inventory associated with the 13 transfer of additional capacity and deli verabili ty in the 14 Jackson Prairie Storage facility from Avista Energy to 15 Avista Utilities, effective May 1, 2011. Other changes 16 are due to various operating cost components, mainly 17 administrati ve and general expenditures. 18 III. ELEMENTS OF THE STIPULATION 19 Q.Please describe the terms of the Stipulation 20 entered into by the Parties. 21 A.While the Parties to the stipulation agreed 22 that this would be a settlement with no party accepting a 23 specific methodology for certain elements of the revenue 24 requirement determination, the Stipulation does specify 25 an agreed-upon level of power supply costs upon which to 74 Norwood, Di 8 Avista Corporation . . . 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 set the new base power supply costs for the monthly power 2 cost 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 75 Norwood, Di 8a Avista Corporation . . . 1 adj ustment (PCA) calculation purposes, and it identifies 2 other specific items that I will address in my testimony 3 below. 4 Q.Where is the new level of power supply costs 5 for the PCA calculation purposes found in the agreement? 6 A.The agreed-upon level of power supply costs for 7 the monthly PCA calculation purposes is provided in 8 Attachment A to the Stipulation. 9 Q.What is the proposed effective date of the 10 Stipulation? 11 A.The Parties have requested implementation of 12 the Stipulation on October 1, 2010. This proposed 13 effecti ve date is an integral part of the Stipulation 14 that was part of the negotiated resolution of all of the 15 issues. 16 Q.Please explain the settlement terms relating to 17 the recovery of Lancaster costs. 18 A.The Lancaster power plant is a 275 MW gas-fired 19 combined-cycle combustion turbine located in Rathdrum, 20 Idaho. Avista Utili ties will purchase all of the output 21 of the plant through 2026. In Case No. AVU-E-09-01, a 22 settlement was reached in which the purchase of the 23 output from the Lancaster generating plant was found to 24 be reasonable with the recovery of the fixed and variable 25 costs through the PCA. Those costs have now been 76 Norwood, Di 9 Avista Corporation . . . 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 incorporated into the base revenue requirement in this 2 case. 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 77 Norwood, Di 9a Avista Corporation . . . 1 Q. Please explain the settlement terms relating to 2 cost of service. 3 A.As part of this rate case, the Company prepared 4 an analysis of using a peak credit method of classifying 5 production costs, allocating 100% of transmission costs 6 to demand, and allocating transmission costs to reflect 7 any peak and off-peak seasonal cost differences over 8 seven months, rather than assuming an equal weighting 9 over twelve months. The Parties agree to take into 10 account, for purposes of rate spread in this proceeding, 11 the allocation of 100% of transmission costs to demand. 12 The Parties have otherwise agreed to exchange information 13 and convene a public workshop, prior to the Company's 14 next general rate case, with respect to the possible use 15 of a revised peak credit method for classifying 16 production costs, as well as consideration of the use of 17 a 12 CP (whether "weighted" or not) versus a 7 CP or 18 other method for allocating transmission costs. 19 The Parties have also agreed to move all electric 20 rate schedules approximately 25% toward unity (except for 21 the Street and Area Lighting Schedules, which will 22 recei ve a percentage increase equal to the overall 23 increase in revenue requirement). 24 The Parties agreed to move all natural gas rate 25 schedules approximately 60% toward unity (except for 78 Norwood, Di 10 Avista Corporation . . . 1 Transportation Service Schedule 146, which will receive a 2 full decrease to unity). 3 Q.Please explain the settlement terms relating to 4 prudence of energy efficiency expenditures. 5 A.The Parties agree that Avista' s expenditures 6 for electric and natural gas energy efficiency programs 7 from January 1, 2008 through November 30, 2008, and from 8 December 1, 2008 through December 31, 2009 are prudent 9 and recoverable. 10 Q.Please describe the customer service-related 11 portion of the Stipulation. 12 A.There are three areas that were addressed in 13 the Stipulation, as follows: 14 (a) Low-Income Weatherization Funding - The Parties 15 agree that the annual level of funding of $465,000 to the 16 Communi ty Action Partnership (CAP) agencies for funding 17 of weatherization (which includes administrative 18 overhead) should be increased to $700,000. The 19 continuation and level of such funding will be revisited 20 in the Company's next general rate filing, or other 21 appropriate proceeding. This total amount will be funded 22 through the Energy Efficiency Tariff Rider (Schedules 91 23 and 191). 24 25 (b)Funding for Outreach for Low-Income Conservation - The Parties agree to annual funding of 79 Norwood, Di 11 Avista Corporation .1 $40,000 to the Idaho CAP for purposes of providing 2 low-income outreach and education concerning 3 conservation.This amount will be 4 5 / 6 7 / 8 9 / 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 80 Norwood,Di 11aAvistaCorporation . . . 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 funded through the Energy Efficiency Tariff Rider 2 (Schedules 91 and 191), and will be in addition to the 3 $700,000 of Low-Income Weatherization Funding. The 4 continuation and level of such funding will be revisited 5 in the Company's next general rate filing or other 6 appropriate proceedings. 7 (c) Other Service Commitments - The Parties agree 8 to several other service commitments as follows: 9 (i) The Company will review its policies and 10 address in its next general rate case the 11 appropriateness of charging for services it now 12 provides without charge to customers or other 13 parties, e. g., establishing new accounts or 14 managing tenant/landlord accounts. The Company will also reexamine its existing non-recurring charges to determine whether those amounts cover a reasonable portion of the Company's current cost to provide those services. (ii) The Company will use its best efforts to meet or exceed its current contact center service level standards. (iii) In coordination with Staff, the Company will develop and conduct a study on Avista' s deposit policy and practices with respect to residential customers. Among the obj ecti ves of 81 Norwood, Di 12 Avista Corporation . . . 1 2 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the study would be to determine if the current deposit policy correctly identifies customers 82 Norwood, Di 12a Avista Corporation . . . 1 who pose a credit risk to the Company, whether 2 it encourages customers who pose a credit risk 3 to improve payment habits, and whether it 4 reduces the amount of credit and collection 5 acti vi ty as well as bad debt associated with 6 those customer accounts. 7 (iv) The Company will hold at least five Senior 8 Energy Conservation workshops in different 9 Idaho communities prior to December 31, 2011. 10 (v)The Company will begin tracking and reporting 11 to the Commission monthly data regarding 12 customer credit acti vi ty. 13 (vi) The Company will actively monitor the Low 14 Income Weatherization and Low Income Energy 15 Conservation Education Programs to assure that 16 the stated goals and obj ecti ves of these 17 programs are achieved and that costs associated 18 wi th these programs are prudently incurred. 19 (vii) The Company will work with Commission Staff to 20 address Staff's concerns about Avista' s 21 policies and practices with respect to: (a) 22 opening and closing customer accounts, and (b) 23 offering term payment arrangements to 24 customers. 25 83 Norwood, Di 13 Avista Corporation . . . 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 Q. Does the Company have other programs in place 2 to mitigate the impacts on customers of the proposed rate 3 increase? 4 A.Yes. We have a history of making it a priority 5 wi thin our Company to maintain meaningful programs to 6 assist our customers that are least able to pay their 7 energy bills. We also have programs to assist our entire 8 customer base, i. e., not just our low-income customers. 9 Some of the key programs that we offer or support are as 10 follows: 11 Programs designed to assist customers include: 12 .Increased DSM Energy Efficiency Programs and Funding. In January 2009 Avista proposed, and the IPUC approved, modifications to the Company's energy efficiency program offerings. The modifications further broadened the technical and financial support Avista provides to its customers, and provides customers with increased opportunity to manage their energy bills. In 2008 Avista also launched the award-winning "Every Little Bit" energy efficiency promotional campaign which integrates all of the Company's energy efficiency programs into onelocation. 13 14 15 16 17 18 .Project Share. Proj ect Share is a voluntary program allowing customers to donate funds that are distributed through community action agencies to customers in need. In addition to the customer and employee contributions in 2009 of $81,700 in Idaho, the Company contributed $111,800, Idaho's share, to the program in 2009. 19 .Comfort Level Billing. The Company offers the option for all customers to pay the same bill amount each month of the year by averaging their annual usage. Under this program, customers can avoid unpredictable winter heating bills. 84 Norwood, Di 14 Avista Corporation .1 . 2 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 . . Payment Arrangements. The Company's Contact Center Representatives work with customers to set up payment arrangements to pay energy bills. 85 Norwood, Di 14a Avista Corporation . . . 1 .CARS Program. Customer Assistance Referral and Evaluation Services provides assistance to special-needs customers through access to specially trained (CARES) representatives who provide referrals to area agencies and churches for help with housing, utilities, medical assistance, etc. 2 3 4 5 Gatekeepers Program. Avista has implemented the Gatekeepers Program, a program that trains field personnel to be aware of signs that a customer maybe having difficulty with daily living tasks (e.g., paper or mail not collected, disheveled appearance, etc). The CARES representatives conducted training of company-wide field personnel who come into contact with residential customers on a regular basis. In the event employees identify a customer having difficulty, the employee is asked to notify the CARES representatives who would contact appropriate community resources for assistance. 6 7 8 9 10 11 .Senior Energy Outreach. Avista has developed specific strategic outreach efforts to reach our more vulnerable customers (seniors and disabled customers) with energy efficiency information thatemphasizes comfort and safety. 12 13 14 .Senior Publications. Avista has created a one-page advertisement that has been placed in senior resource directories and targeted senior publications to reach seniors with information about energy efficiency, Comfort Level Billing, Avista CARES and energy assistance. A brochure with the same information has also been created for distribution through senior meal delivery programs and other senior home-care programs. 15 16 17 18 19 .Power to Conserve. In partnership with KREM television, a half-hour television program is annually developed that covers low-cost and no-cost ways to save energy at home. The goal of the program is to help limited income seniors and other vulnerable populations with their energy bills by providing home energy conservation education. The program provides helpful energy conservation tips, information on community resources and ways for customers to manage their energy bills. A DVD of the program has also been produced which is included as part of energy conservation kits provided in senior conservation workshops. 20 21 22 23 24 25 86 Norwood, Di 15 Avista Corporation . . . 1 .Every Little Bit House. In partnership with KREM television, the long-running "Power to Conserve" program was updated to profile energy efficiency work done on an actual Avista customer's home utilizing the low income weatherization program provided by SNAP. The program utilizes a series of commercial vignettes that are specifically targeted to provide helpful energy conservation tips, information on community resources and ways for customers to manage their energy bills. Its primary target audience is limited income, senior and vulnerable customers. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Q.Please describe the accounting treatment agreed 9 to by the Parties for three specific issues. 10 A.The Parties agree to the accounting treatment 11 for the following items: 12 (a) Coeur d' Alene Tribe Settlement and Spokane 13 River Relicensing Deferrals - The Parties agree to a 14 ten-year amortization of the remaining balances beginning 15 October 1, 2010 of the CDA Settlement Deferral, the 16 Spokane River Deferral, and the Spokane River PM&E 17 Deferral. 18 (b) Colstrip Lawsuit Settlement - The Parties agree 19 to eliminate the amortization of the deferred costs, due 20 to insurance proceeds received subsequent to the original 21 filing of the case. 22 (c)Jackson Prairie (JP) Storage - The parties 23 agree to the revised accounting treatment proposed by the 24 Company for its existing cushion gas using the net book 25 value of the utility assets at February 2010 to record 87 Norwood, Di 16 Avista Corporation .1 the transfer of the cushion gas from non-recoverable 2 (FERC Account No.352.3),which is a depreciable asset, 3 to recoverable (FERC 4 5 / 6 7 / 8 9 / 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 88 Norwood,Di 16a Avista Corporation . . . 1 Account No. 117.1), which is a non-depreciable asset. 2 The JP assets that will transfer from Avista Energy on 3 May 1, 2011, will include plant assets, operations and 4 maintenance expenses, as well as cushion gas that will be 5 recorded in both recoverable and non-recoverable FERC 6 accounts using a similar allocation method. 7 iv. RATE SPREAD & RATE DESIGN 8 Q.How did the Stipulation address rate spread? 9 A.The table on Page 3 of Attachment B of the 10 Stipulation shows the impact on the energy rates under 11 each service schedule of the agreed-upon electric 12 increase. The proposed electric revenue increase of 13 $21,250,000 represents an overall increase of 9.25% in 14 base rates and is spread based on the Company's proposed 15 methodology of moving all electric rate schedules 16 approximately 25% toward unity (except for the Street and 17 Area Lighting Schedules, which will receive a percentage 18 increase equal to the overall increase in revenue 19 requirement). The application of the DSIT credit to 20 electric customers is spread based on each schedule's 21 contribution to the general increase in this case, which 22 represents a first year reduction in revenue of 5.66%. 23 The first year net increase to electric revenue as a 24 result of the general increase and the DSIT credit is 25 3.59% of base rates. 89 Norwood, Di 17 Avista Corporation . . . 1 Page 8 of the Stipulation shows the impact on each 2 service schedule of the agreed-upon natural gas 3 increases. The increased natural gas revenue requirement 4 of $1,850,000 represents an overall increase of 2.6% in 5 base rates. The natural gas increase is spread based on 6 the Company's proposed methodology of moving all natural 7 gas rate schedules approximately 60% towards unity 8 (except for the Transportation Service Schedule 146, 9 which will receive a full movement to unity). The 10 application of the DSIT credit to natural gas customers 11 is spread based on each schedule's contribution to base 12 revenues including the general increase in this case. The 13 net increase to natural gas revenue as a result of the 14 general increase and the DSIT credit is 1.9% of base 15 rates. 16 What is the basis of the Stipulation relatingQ. 17 to the rate design? 18 A.The Stipulation outlined increases in the basic 19 charges, monthly minimum charges, and demand charges in 20 Schedules 11, 21, 25, and 31, as shown in Attachment B, 21 page 3 of the Stipulation. Otherwise, a uniform 22 percentage increase is applied to each energy rate wi thin 23 each electric service schedule excluding Schedule 1, 24 residential service where block differentials remain 25 constant. 90 Norwood, Di 18 Avista Corporation . . . 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 The Parties also agreed that the current residential 2 electric basic charge of $4.60 would be increased to 3 $5.00 4 5 / 6 7 / 8 9 / 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 91 Norwood, Di 18a Avista Corporation . . . 1 per month and the residential natural gas basic charge of 2 $4.00 per month would remain unchanged. 3 V. CONCLUSION 4 Q.What is the effect of the Stipulation? 5 A.The Stipulation represents a negotiated 6 compromise on a variety of issues among the Parties. 7 Thus, the Parties have agreed that no particular party 8 shall be deemed to have approved the facts, principles, 9 methods, or theories employed by any other in arriving at 10 these stipulated provisions, and that the terms 11 incorporated should not be viewed as precedent setting in 12 subsequent proceedings except as expressly provided. 13 Q.In conclusion, why is this Stipulation in the 14 public interest? 15 A.This Stipulation strikes a reasonable balance 16 between the interests of the Company and its customers, 17 including its low-income customers. As such, it 18 represents a reasonable compromise among differing 19 interests and points of view. 20 The Parties have agreed that the Company has 21 demonstrated need for a revenue requirement increase for 22 both its electric and natural gas customers. The 23 Stipulation provides for recovery of these costs. In the 24 final analysis, however, any settlement reflects a 25 compromise in the give-and-take of negotiations. The 92 Norwood, Di 19 Avista Corporation . . . 16 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 Commission, therefore, has before it a Stipulation that 2 is supported 3 4 / 5 6 / 7 8 / 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 18 93 Norwood, Di 19a Avista Corporation . . . 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 by sound analysis and supporting evidence, the approval 2 of which is in the public interest. 3 Q.Does this conclude your pre-filed direct 4 testimony? 5 A.Yes, it does. 6 7 8 9 10 11 94 Norwood, Di 20 Avista Corporation . . . 1 2 open hearing.) (The following proceedings were had in MR. MEYER: Thank you, and he is available COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Howell? MR. HOWELL: No questions, Mr. Chairman. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Richardson? MR. RICHARDSON: No questions, COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Purdy? MR. PURDY: No questions. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Sir? MR. OTTO: No questions. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Thank you. Are 17 there any questions from the Commission? Commissioner 3 4 5 for cross. 6 7 8 Thank you. 9 10 11 Mr. Chairman. 12 13 14 15 16 18 Smith. 19 20 21 EXAMINATION 22 BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: 23 Q Yes, Mr. Norwood, could you refresh my 24 memory on when the Commission last authorized a return on 25 equity for the Company and what that is? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 95 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 A Yes, in the case last year with rates 2 effective October 1st, or was it August 1st, the ROE was 3 10.5 percent. 4 Q So it was authorized sometime in 2009? 5 A That's correct. I believe it was in July 6 of 2009. 7 Q Okay. I believe that's my only question, 8 except I guess I have a nagging concern about the 9 Company's customer relations and I'm wondering, I don't 10 even know how to pose a question about it, but do you 11 have any comments on things getting any better or are you 12 doing anything different? 13 A We are doing things different. We are 14 concerned about customer satisfaction, which I'm going to 15 set that aside for just a minute, because as we talk with 16 customers who do business with us, when we put in new 17 service, when they call with bill issues, what we're 18 finding is that the customers are rating us at 90 plus 19 percent in terms of satisfaction, so that part of it, I 20 think, is going well. 21 The other part of it, though, does have to 22 do with customer understanding of why our prices have 23 gone up and why we're asking for an increase in this 24 economy, so some things we're doing differently now, 25 we've had -- our regional business partners have started CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 96 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 to send e-mails in the past year to the business leaders 2 in the communi ties that we serve and out of that, we had 3 five different city councils ask us to come and make 4 presentations to them to explain to them why our costs 5 are going up and why there's a need to increase rates, so 6 myself and a couple of other folks went out to five 7 different cities, Rathdrum, Spirit Lake, Post Falls, 8 Harrison, and Hayden, and made presentations to the city 9 councils, and what we found is once they heard the 10 information and understood the information, we also had 11 opportunity before and after those meetings to talk with 12 some of the customers that were there and through the 13 city council members and the mayors, then that helped 14 them a lot, I think, to better understand what the 15 changes are that are going on for us and why there is a 16 need to increase rates even in this economic 17 circumstance. 18 We also had one of the business leaders in 19 Post Falls ask us to come over, so I went over and spent 20 an hour-and-a-half with him. He meets with a group of 40 21 to 50 business leaders in Post Falls, so in the time that 22 I spent with him, I think that was also helpful, so 23 that's something different that we're doing now that we 24 haven't done in the past. 25 Another thing that we're doing is we found CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 97 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 that customers -- we're trying to find out where we're at 2 and how do we meet that need and what we're finding is a 3 lot of them are getting their information over the 4 Internet and so now we're very much involved in the past 5 year with social media. We have a blog now, which I know 6 very little about, but we have folks now that are posting 7 information on a blog, basically on a website, to give 8 more information to those that are on the Internet. We 9 also have someone using Twitter where we have customers 10 now that are asking us questions, challenging us, making 11 comments and so now we're actually responding to 12 customers through Twitter and giving them answers to 13 their questions, so there's a number of different methods 14 that we're using now to better communiçate to customers, 15 and what we're finding is that they may not like the 16 increases that are coming, but at least they better 17 understand and we're able to answer their questions, so I 18 think that's helpful. 19 COMMISSIONER SMITH: And I think that 20 those of us who have been around longer do have to 21 recognize that some of the younger customers have 22 different ways of communication than we're used to and so 23 I'll be waiting to see your Facebook page if I ever go on 24 Facebook. Thank you. 25 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Commissioner CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 98 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 Kempton. 2 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Thank you, 3 Mr. Chairman. 4 5 EXAMINATION 6 7 BY COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: 8 Q Mr. Norwood, I have just one question or 9 derivatives thereof. When the salary -- were salary and 10 benefits examined during the time that you were 11 developing this settlement? 12 A Yes, they were. 13 Q And did benefits include the type of 14 retirement program that you have in effect? 15 A First of all, Staff did their audit and 16 they had lots of questions around, some around, salaries 17 and benefits, so that has been looked at. In fact, in 18 the past couple of years we've made changes to the 19 retirement plan for new employees that reduces the 20 retirement benefit for them and so that's one of the 21 areas that we've changed. Also, with medical premiums, 22 we've changed the plan recently to where, especially for 23 retirees, they're now paying a higher percentage of the 24 premiums as well as regular employees, so there's a 25 number of those changes that have occurred, but we find CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 99 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 as we file these cases Staff looks at all of those 2 issues. 3 Q The maj ori ty of your retirement benefits 4 are a defined benefit? 5 A That is correct. 6 And with the new employees it's at leastQ 7 in part a contribution program, not necessarily defined 8 contribution, but a contribution program to supplement 9 the defined benefit program? 10 The change that was made was to reduceA 11 basically the multiplier, so it's still a defined benefit 12 program for new employees, but it's a smaller benefit 13 wi th a smaller multiplier. We also have a 401 (k) plan. 14 That's where employees can contribute to that and there 15 is a matching there, a percentage of what employees put 16 in and that would supplement, then, the retirement 17 plan. 18 Do you -- are you familiar with theQ 19 defined benefit program to the extent that we could talk 20 about the numbers in general terms of where you are in 21 those? I think that you had a reduction in which you 22 have anticipated, like, in 2009 or 2010 you're around 23 $40 million, again very general terms and not intended to 24 reflect something that is necessarily in the record 25 before us, and that that may be dropping by as much as CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 100 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . .24 25 1 half going into 2010 or 2011; is that true? 2 A The contribution is going to drop or has 3 dropped for 2010 versus 2009, but that was reflected in 4 the filing that we made. We actually made that change, 5 so that what is reflected in rates is consistent with -- 6 is what is actually being contributed related to the plan 7 and we do expect that that contribution which now I think 8 is in the neighborhood of $20 million going forward will 9 be at that level for a number of years, and we did some 10 analysis on this plan to look at defined benefit versus 11 defined contribution and if you look at it over the long 12 term, we've seen that there are a period of years where 13 your contributions will be high for a number of years, 14 but then we've gone, like in the '90s as an example, 15 where the contributions were near zero, so if you look at 16 the retirement plan over a long period of time, which is 17 what it's designed to do in the first place, actually 18 what we found is it's actually less costly to do it that 19 way than to do the defined contribution plan, so it' s a 20 matter of getting through these times when the 21 contributions need to be high and get to a period where 22 the contributions can be lower. 23 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Okay, thank you. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 101 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 EXAMINATION 2 3 BY COMMISSIONER REDFORD: 4 Q I only have one question and I think that 5 we all get questions from ratepayers, it doesn't seem to 6 make any difference whether it's the Company, the Staff 7 or the Commissioners, that kind of go like this: I've 8 taken you at your word that we need to conserve energy 9 and I've done so and it's apparent in my bill that my 10 usage has decreased and yet, my rates have gone up. How 11 do you respond to those questions? I've had a hard time 12 trying to respond to those questions and I just wondered 13 if you have some magic words you use to assuage the 14 concern of consumers. 15 A Well, I always try to start with the facts 16 and the facts are that if a customer has any opportunity 17 to reduce their energy usage, then that is good for them 18 in terms of reducing their bill and, you know, we have a 19 lot of information out there with low cost /no cost ideas 20 on how to conserve energy, but I also get the comment 21 back, well, I've done all of that or I've done a lot of 22 that, and so for them, if they truly have done all of 23 that, then there may be a limited amount they can do 24 going forward, but apart from that, it also makes sense 25 for us to continue to encourage their neighbors and CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 102 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 others to continue to do everything they can to conserve 2 energy, because the reality is, I don't have the numbers 3 in my head, but the cost of our energy efficiency 4 programs, there's low cost, no cost as well as higher 5 cost energy efficiency measures, but as a package, I 6 think they're in the range of two-and-a-half to three 7 cents per kilowatt-hour to reduce energy, which is much 8 less costly than having to build a new power plant, so to 9 the extent that we can encourage everyone to use less 10 energy, that will keep rates at a lower level than if 11 those individuals don't do that. 12 I recently myself had -- Avista is 13 sponsoring a home energy audit, I had someone come in and 14 do an energy audit at my home and I was actually 15 surprised at all .the ideas that they had on things that 16 you can do to conserve energy and it's just a matter of 17 having the information and being aware of what you can do 18 because there's quite a bit, actually. 19 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: But there's always 20 that nagging concern that having done all those things, 21 my rates are still going up. I guess we just all have to 22 respond to those questions the best we can.I have no 23 further questions. 24 I see Commissioner Smith writing there, so 25 do you have any questions? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 103 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 EXAMINATION 2 3 BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: 4 Q I was just going to as k Mr. Norwood to 5 remind me, Avista goes to the market for a portion of 6 their energy needs; is that correct? 7 A We actually have enough energy and 8 capaci ty to serve our load with our resources. The 9 reason that we would go to the market to buy some of the 10 power is because there are some instances where it's 11 cheaper to buy the electricity than to buy the gas and 12 run our thermal plants, so that's why you'll see quite a 13 few wholesale purchases is it's just less costly to buy 14 it than to run the gas and generate it. 15 Q So economics being good, you would be an 16 energy exporter? 17 A That's correct, but, you know, with the 18 natural gas plants that we have, it sets the market for 19 the price of power and so if market prices go up, we'll 20 obviously run our natural gas plants and sell it at the 21 marketplace. 22 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you for that 23 clarification. 24 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Do you have any 25 further questions, Commissioner Kempton? . CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 104 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: Mr. Chairman, I 2 would like to follow up on the question that you asked in 3 a little different context. 4 5 EXAMINATION 6 7 BY COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: 8 Q I agree that a customer who weatherizes 9 their home on their own nickel gets the benefit of the 10 weatherization as far as reducing their bill. What 11 reduces the amount that they could expect from the fact 12 that they have done what they did and they get the 13 benefi t because they're not using their power, direct 14 conservation calculation, is the fact that they may get a 15 surcharge on top of that because of the loss of the 16 amount of power that he saved on his own nickel under 17 programs for decoupling where it's difficult to decide 18 what it is that actually causes in total the loss of load 19 that goes into the next cost adj ustment or in whatever 20 process is used to implement the decoupling mechanism. 21 I had a discussion with NEEA yesterday and 22 we were talking in and around this subj ect. It's 23 difficul t to convince the man on the street when you use 24 a simple example like I just did that he isn't winding up 25 worse off than he would be all things being considered if CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 105 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 we didn't have the energy efficiency riders or we didn't 2 have the decoupling mechanisms.I don't know how you 3 sol ve that because all of us in this room understand the 4 benefi t of a decoupling program, but on the other hand, 5 at the user's end, they do have an argument that niggles 6 at the conscience of the Commission. 7 A Yes, conceptually, you know, if one thinks 8 about it just intui ti vely, they might come to the 9 conclusion or the question about whether they're really 10 benefi ting by implementing energy efficiency, but I think 11 here's a good way to look at that: Right now if we were 12 to build a new combined cycle gas plant, which is 13 14 probably the next non-renewable plant that would be buil t, you're probably talking a total cost in the 15 neighborhood of eight cents per kilowatt-hour. 16 If you look at the energy efficiency, as I 17 mentioned earlier, you're probably in the neighborhood of 18 three cents a kilowatt-hour.If customers do not engage 19 in energy efficiency, what they are going to see on that 20 bill is the cost of that next plant which is going to be 21 eight cents. They're better off to pay the three cents 22 initially, and then you talk about the lost margin 23 associated with using less energy which is really related 24 to the distribution and administrative and general costs, 25 so there is a component there that if customers don't use CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 106 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 it, then that part needs to be spread to everyone else, 2 but if you look at the total with energy efficiency at 3 three cents plus or minus, plus that increment, it's 4 still much less than the cost of that next power plant 5 which is in the neighborhood of eight cents a 6 kilowatt-hour. 7 The other factor that you have to consider 8 is that as we continue to hook up customers, which we're 9 doing even in this economy, you're going to spread some 10 of those fixed costs over more customers which will help 11 to keep that increase to a lower level, so bottom line, 12 if you spend the time to think through it, it's 13 defini tely much less costly to spend the money on energy 14 efficiency even in spite of the decoupling lost margin 15 issue as opposed to not doing energy efficiency and just 16 building new power plants. 17 Q Would you agree, Mr. Norwood, or disagree 18 that that argument becomes a little convoluted when you 19 have renewable portfolio standards that are requiring the 20 construction of those same combined cycle plants to 21 supply base load for, say for example, wind farms coming 22 in where it's something completely external to the needs 23 of the customer being directed by renewable portfolio 24 standards which has a sidled influence not in energy use 25 effect? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 107 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 A I think that's going to be interesting and 2 for us, I think we're in a little bit of a unique 3 si tuation in that we have been upgrading our hydro plants 4 which allows us to use those additional renewable credits 5 in the State of Washington to meet our need and so we i re 6 actually in good shape in terms of adding renewables 7 until 2016. We've bought some credits which begins in 8 2012, but bigger picture as we go forward in this, 9 because we have a hydro system, because we have two 10 different combined cycle gas plants now which we can use 11 to flex and integrate wind, I think that's going to help 12 us as we add wind going forward so that we wouldn't have 13 to add additional generation to integrate wind, and 14 another thing that we're starting to look at, actually, 15 is as the region goes from roughly 3,000 megawatts of 16 capacity of wind right now to, I think, by the end of '13 17 they're talking about 6,000 megawatts of wind, we're 18 actually looking at the effects that's going to have on 19 wholesale market prices, and what we're seeing is a lot 20 of -- not a lot of, but a meaningful amount of negative 21 pricing in some periods of the year, which means that 22 we're actually going to start to look at maybe simple 23 cycle plants going forward, because if we have more 24 negati ve pricing in the marketplace where the only way 25 you get your credits is if the wind runs and so you're CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 108 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 going to pay someone to take your energy, which is where 2 the negative pricing comes from, we're looking at the 3 possibili ty of building peakers instead of base load gas 4 going forward based on our resource mix which would be 5 less costly, much less costly, going forward, so I think 6 it's going to be interesting to watch this over the next 7 fi ve to seven years as this develops. 8 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: I have no further 9 questions, Mr. Chairman. 10 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Commissioner 11 Smith. 12 13 EXAMINATION 14 15 BY COMMISSIONER SMITH: 16 Q Yes, I was interested by your comment that 17 you're adding customers even in this economy and so my 18 question is, does that mean that your load is growing or 19 that your customer count is growing or just where are you 20 in terms of load growth? 21 A I'm trying to remember my numbers, but I 22 think that both load growth and customer growth is right 23 at one-and-a-half percent in the next couple of years, 24 which means use per customer is staying fairly flat. 25 Q So are those actuals or is that forecast? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 109 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 1 What have you seen in the past -- 2 A In terms of what we've seen, we had a 3 really abnormal warm winter, which means, you know, after 4 you weather correct it, what we're seeing is that the 5 load growth is indeed in line, both customer growth and 6 load growth when you weather normalize it is in line, 7 with our forecast, which is in that one-and-a-half 8 percent range for electric, and gas is slightly higher, 9 two percent, plus or minus. 10 COMMISSIONER SMITH: Thank you. 11 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Thank you. Are 12 there any questions as a result of the Commission 13 questions from any of the parties? Hearing none, you may 14 step down, sir. 15 (The witness left the stand.) 16 MR. MILLER: Mr. Chairman? 17 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Yes, excuse me, Mr. 18 Miller, welcome. 19 MR. MILLER: Dean J. Miller on behalf of 20 Idaho Forest Group. I was a few minutes late for the 21 start and I apologize for that. 22 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, we'll take 23 your appearance. 24 MR. MILLER: Thank you. 25 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: And as a result of CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 110 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 21 22 23 24 25 1 whenever you came in, do you have any questions for Mr. 2 Norwood? 3 MR. MILLER: Can you repeat his testimony? 4 I don't have any questions. 5 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: You lose. Do you 6 have any further witnesses? 7 MR. MEYER: We do not. 8 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: So you in effect 9 rest your case. I can't recall, do any of the 10 intervenors have witnesses? I think, Mr. Purdy, you 11 do. 12 MR. PURDY: Yes, sir. 13 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, please call 14 your witness. 15 MR. PDRDY: Thank you. Community Action 16 Partnership Association of Idaho calls Teri Ottens. 17 18 19 20 CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 111 NORWOOD (Com) Avista Corporation . . . 20 21 1 TERI OTTENS, 2 produced as a witness at the instance of the Community 3 Action Partnership Association of Idaho, having been 4 first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: 5 6 DIRECT EXAMINATION 7 8 BY MR. PURDY: 9 Q Would you please state and spell your name 10 and provide your business address? 11 A Teri Ottens, T-e-r-i O-t-t-e-n-s, 5420 12 West Franklin, Suite E, Boise, Idaho. 13 Q By whom are you employed or retained in 14 this matter and in what capacity? 15 A I am representing the Community Action 16 Partnership Association of Idaho as the expert in low 17 income issues. 18 Q And have you previously filed direct 19 testimony in this case consisting of eight pages? A I have. Q There are no exhibits to your testimony; 22 is that correct? 23 24 25 A That's correct. Q Do you have any corrections or revisions to that testimony? CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 112 OTTENS (Di) CAPAI . . . 1 A I do not. MR. PURDY: With that, Mr. Chairman, I 3 would ask or move that the direct testimony of Ms. Teri 2 4 Ot tens be spread upon the record as read. 5 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Granted. 6 (The following prefiled testimony of Ms. 7 Teri Ottens is spread upon the record.) 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 113 OTTENS (Di) CAPAI . . . 1 I. INTRODUCTION 2 Q:Please state your name and business address. 3 A:My name is Teri Ottens. I am the Policy 4 Director of the Community Action Partnership Association 5 of Idaho headquartered at 5400 W. Franklin, Suite G, 6 Boise, Idaho, 83705. 7 Q:On whose behalf are you testifying in this 8 proceeding? 9 A:The Community Action Partnership Association of 10 Idaho ("CAPAI") Board of Directors asked me to present 11 the views of an expert on, and advocate for, low income 12 customers of AVISTA Corporation (AVISTA). CAPAI' s 13 participation in this proceeding reflects our 14 organization's view that low income people are an 15 important part of AVISTA' s customer base, and that these 16 customers would be significantly impacted by the proposed 17 changes to the Company' s electric service schedules, as 18 originally filed. 19 Q:Please describe CAPAI' s organization and the 20 functions it performs, relevant to its involvement in 21 this case. 22 A:CAPAI is an association of Idaho's six 23 Community Action Partnerships, the Community Council of 24 Idaho and the Canyon County Organization on Aging, 25 Weatherization and Human Services, all dedicated to 114 OTTENS (Di)2 CAPAI . . . 1 promoting self-sufficiency through removing the causes 2 and conditions of poverty in Idaho's communi ties. 3 Q:What are the Community Action Partnerships? 4 A:Community Action Partnerships ("CAPs") are 5 private, nonprofit organizations that fight poverty. 6 Each CAP has a designated service area. Combining all 7 CAPS, every county in Idaho is served. CAPS design their 8 various programs to meet the unique needs of communities 9 located within their respective service areas. Not every 10 CAP provides all of the following services, but all work 11 wi th people to promote and support increased 12 self-sufficiency. Programs provided by CAPS include: 13 employment preparation and dispatch, education 14 assistance, child care, emergency food, senior 15 independence and support, 16 17 / 18 19 / 20 21 / 22 23 24 25 115 OTTENS (Di)2a CAPAI . . . 1 clothing, home weatherization, energy assistance, 2 affordable housing , health care access, telephone payment 3 assistance, and much more. 4 Q:Have you testified before this Commission in 5 other proceedings? 6 A:Yes, I have testified and/or provided comments 7 as an expert on behalf of CAPAI in numerous cases 8 invol ving AVISTA, PacifiCorp, Idaho Power Company, 9 Intermountain Gas, and United Water. 10 II. SUMY 11 Q:Please summarize your testimony in this case? 12 A:The purpose of CAPAI' s testimony in this case 13 is to support the negotiated settlement stipulation 14 previously filed with the Commission. The details of 15 CAPAI' s recommendations, which are incorporated into the 16 stipulation and agreed to by all signatories, are set 17 forth in the following section. 18 Q.Are there any exhibits to your testimony in 19 this case? 20 A.No, other than that I incorporate by reference 21 the Settlement Stipulation. 22 III. BACKGROUND/RECOMMNDATIONS 23 A.Background 24 Q:By way of background, why has CAPAI intervened 25 in this particular proceeding? 116 OTTENS (Di)3 CAPAI . . . 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 A: CAPAI is concerned that the combined proposed 2 increases in fees and rates will add to the already heavy 3 energy cost burden that low income families in Idaho 4 face, particularly in these difficult economic times. 5 Q:Can you provide poverty statistics for Idaho? 6 A:According to the Idaho Department of Commerce, 7 12.6% of the State's population, when using the 2006 8 Census data, falls within federal poverty guidelines and 9 an additional 12.4% fall within the state guidelines set 10 at 150% of poverty levels. The 2006 Census 11 12 / 13 14 / 15 16 / 17 18 19 117 OTTENS (Di)3a CAPAI . . . 1 reveals that those living in poverty are categorized as 2 8.7% elderly, 15.1% children, 9.8% all other families, 3 28.5% single mothers and 26.4% all others. 4 How does this translate to energyQ: 5 "affordabili ty?" 6 According to the U. S. Department of Energy, theA: 7 "affordability burden" for total home energy is set 8 nationwide at 6% of gross household income and the burden 9 for home heating is set at 2% of gross household income. 10 In Idaho, there was a gap in the 2008/2009 heating season 11 of over $75 million between what Idahoans can afford to 12 pay (based on federal standards) for energy and what was 13 actually paid. Currently, the LIHEAP program sends 14 approximately $25.6 million (for energy assistance, 15 weatherization and administration) to Idaho. 16 B.Settlement Stipulation 17 Would you please provide an overall summary ofQ. 18 the settlement reached by the parties in this case? 19 Yes. Unless otherwise stated, my comments areA. 20 limi ted to AVISTA' s operations related to the provision 21 of electric, not gas, service. Generally speaking, the 22 Stipulation does not attempt to address, let alone 23 resolve, every aspect of AVISTA' s rate case filing. 24 Rather, it constitutes an agreement on the overall 25 revenue requirement increase, revenue allocation among 118 OTTENS (Di) 4 CAPAI . . . 20 21 22 23 1 customer classes, certain rate design and other 2 miscellaneous issues. 3 Q.What are the specific terms of the settlement 4 as they affect CAPAI' s interests? 5 A.First, the Stipulation provides for an increase 6 to the Company's revenue requirement of $21.25 million 7 annuallyl (electric revenue; gas is an additional $1.85 8 million), phased-in over a period of three (3) years. 9 All signatories to the Stipulation agree that it is in 10 the overall best interest of the Company's general body 11 of ratepayers. 12 Q.Did CAPAI actively participate in this 13 proceeding? 14 15 / 16 17 / 18 19 / 24 1 An increase of 9.25% compared to the 14% originally proposed by AVISTA. 25 119 OTTENS (Di)4a CAPAI . . . 1 A. Yes, beginning with a thorough review of the 2 filing itself to becoming a formal party and, ultimately, 3 to successfully negotiating a settlement, filing this 4 testimony and participating in the technical hearing to 5 be conducted in this case, CAPAI has exercised all of its 6 rights and responsibilities as a full and formal party. 7 Will you please identify those additionalQ. 8 components of the settlement that were of particular 9 concern and relevance to CAPAI? 10 First, CAPAI believes that AVISTA' s firstA.Yes. 11 tier block consumption (600 Kwh) for its residential rate 12 schedule, is less than the actual monthly 13 non-discretionary usage by residential customers, 14 including consumption for electric space heating. Absent 15 addi tional information and analysis, CAPAI is not yet 16 prepared to recommend a specific level of consumption 17 that should constitute AVISTA' s first tier block for its 18 residential rates. As the settlement Stipulation states, 19 a future collaboration will be conducted between CAPAI 20 and AVISTA and all other interested persons. 21 CAPAI naturally values the fact that AVISTA has 22 agreed to a reduction in the amount of revenue 23 requirement increase from the originally requested 14.0% 24 to 9.25%. Furthermore, the "rate mitigation" aspect by 25 which the increase will be phased-in over three years 120 OTTENS (Di) 5 CAPAI . . . 1 somewhat alleviates what would otherwise be a rate shock 2 were the full amount of the increase to go into effect 3 immediately. 4 CAPAI also notes that the level of increase to the 5 fixed monthly charge (an increase from $4.60 to $5.00) 6 will be considerably less than originally proposed. 7 CAPAI believes that, although not enough to 8 completely satisfy the existing need, the Company's 9 agreement to increase the annual low-income 10 weatherization program funding level from $465,000.00 to 11 $700,000.00 is a sizeable increase. Also, the continued 12 funding of the low-income outreach conservation and 13 education program in the amount of $40,000.00 provides 14 benefits to LIHEAP recipients. 15 16 / 17 18 / 19 20 / 21 22 23 24 25 121 OTTENS (Di)5a CAPAI . . . 1 CAPAI notes that there is currently underway a 2 collaborati ve process the obj ecti ve of which, among other 3 things, is to determine the need for and availability of 4 resources to adequately satisfy the need for additional 5 low-income weatherization funding. CAPAI commends AVISTA 6 for being an integral part of that collaborative and will 7 continue to work with the Company at every opportunity to 8 ensure that it takes into consideration the needs of its 9 low-income Idaho customers. 10 Q.Is there anything else you wish to add to your 11 assessment of the settlement proposed for approval in 12 this case? 13 A. Yes. Like any settlement of a contested 14 matter, all parties represented their respective 15 consti tuents' specific interests and perspectives. 16 Obviously, there are many issues on which the parties 17 disagree with the Company and, with each other. Having 18 said that, it is CAPAI' s position that the settlement 19 Stipulation reflects the best result that could be 20 reasonably expected within the context and circumstances 2 i of this particular proceeding. 22 Q.Does CAPAI have any particular goals for the 23 future regarding AVISTA? 24 A.Yes. CAPAI hopes that AVISTA continues to 25 demonstrate concern for its low-income customers in Idaho 122 OTTENS (Di) 6 CAPAI . . . 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 not only through adequate funding of its low-income 2 weatherization program, but also through support of other 3 reasonable efforts to assist low-income customers and, 4 therefore, the general body of AVISTA' s ratepayers. 5 Though it is unreasonable to expect that CAPAI and AVISTA 6 will always be in agreement on every issue and that every 7 rate case in the future will be settled, CAPAI commends 8 AVISTA for its effort and compromise to reach settlement 9 of CAPAI' s issues of concern in this case. 10 v.CONCLUSION 11 Q:Does that conclude your testimony? 12 A:Yes it does. 13 14 15 16 17 123 OTTENS (Di)6a CAPAI . . . 1 2 open hearing.) (The following proceedings were had in COMMISSIONER REDFORD: And now you offer 4 her for cross-examination? 10 11 12 3 5 6 7 8 9 13 Mr. Chairman. MR. PURDY: Yes. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Howell? MR. HOWELL: No questions. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Meyer? MR. MEYER: No questions. MR. MILLER: No, thank you. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Mr. Richardson? MR. RICHARDSON: No questions, COMMISSIONER REDFORD: And you, sir? MR. OTTO: None. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: I guess are there 17 any questions from the Commission? 14 15 16 18 19 20 EXAMINATION 21 BY COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: 22 Q I have one question just so you won't feel 23 that your trip to the stand was in vein. Can you tell me 24 or elaborate a little bit on how you perceive the 25 inverted tiered rate that we have as far as the effect on CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 124 OTTENS (Com) CAPAI . . . 10 1 lower income people? I'd like to get a little better 2 take on how you see that. 3 We recognize some issues with the tieredA 4 rate and that is why you see in this stipulation an 5 agreement that the Avista will meet with us at a future 6 time to talk about that issue and whether or not the 7 tiered rates are appropriate. We have some concerns 8 where the various levels are set, particularly the first 9 level. Q And am I to understand that that would be 11 part of a general workshop or in fact something that 12 they're going to do with you individually first and then 13 go into a general workshop? How do you see that working 14 out in the future? 15 A I think that what we've agreed to in the 16 stipulation is a collaborative and I'm not sure we've 17 addressed the mechanism in which we're going to start 18 that discussion, but I'm sure it will end up here 19 eventually. 20 COMMISSIONER KEMPTON: That's all I have, 21 Mr. Chairman. 22 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Commissioner Smith? 23 COMMISSIONER SMITH: No questions. 24 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: I have no 25 questions. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 125 OTTENS (Com) CAPAI . . . 1 THE WITNESS: Thank you. 2 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: You may step down. 3 (The witness left the stand.) 4 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Are there any other 5 parties who wish to present further evidence or 6 testimony? Hearing none. Does any party wish to provide 7 a closing statement? Do you consider that further 8 briefing is not appropriate? There will be no further 9 briefing, so I guess this concludes the hearing. As per 10 usual, the Commission will have the record prepared and 11 we will deliberate on this matter as being fully 12 submi tted and we will 13 COMMISSIONER SMITH: After tonight. 14 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: After tonight, 15 excuse me. There is a public hearing tonight and it will 16 start at 8: 00 0' clock Mountain Standard Time and 7: 00 17 0' clock Pacific Standard Time, so we'll all be here. If 18 you want to be here with us, that's fine. If not, that's 19 fine, too.20 Yes, sir? 21 MR. MEYER: Just one other offer, I think 22 you were going to offer the stipulation. 23 MR. HOWELL: Staff would move that the 24 Commission accept Mr. Lobb's exhibits which include the 25 stipulation which is already a pleading in this matter. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 126 COLLOQUY . . . 20 1 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: They will be 2 admitted. 3 (Staff Exhibit Nos. 101-103 were admitted 4 into evidence.) 5 MR. PURDY: Mr. Chairman? 6 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Yes, sir. 7 MR. PURDY: Brad Purdy here on behalf of 8 Community Action. Is it a fair assumption that all 9 peti tions for intervenor funding pursuant to Rule 164 10 shall be submitted wi thin 14 days from today' s date? 11 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Whatever the rule 12 says. 13 MR. PURDY: All right. 14 COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Maybe Mr. Howell 15 can enlighten us. 16 MR. HOWELL: Mr. Chairman, I would think 17 that the trigger date would be this hearing today and 18 that petitions for intervenor funding would be due 14 19 days from today' s date. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: Okay, is that 21 acceptable? 22 23 MR. PURDY: Thank you, yes. COMMISSIONER REDFORD: I f there's nothing 24 else to come before the Commission, we'll stand 25 adjourned. CSB REPORTING (208) 890-5198 127 COLLOQUY 1 MR.MEYER:Thank you,Mr.Chairman..2 COMMISSIONER REDFORD:Thank you,and 3 thank you for all attending. 4 (The Hearing adj ourned at 10: 30 a.m. ) 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12.13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24.25 CSB REPORTING 128 COLLOQUY (208 )890-5198