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1 (The following proceedings were

2 had in open hearing.)

3 MR. VAN NOSTRAND: Mr. Kelly is

4 available for cross-examination.

5 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Okay. Thank

6 you. We'll start with you, Mr. Budge.

7 MR. BUDGE: No questions,

8 Mr. Chairman.

9 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Mr. Nye.

10 MR. NYE: No questions.

11 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Mr. Ward.

12 MR. WARD: No questions.

13 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Mr. Richardson.

14 MR. RICHARDSON: No questions,

15 Mr. Chairman.

16 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Mr. Purdy.

17

18 CROSS-EXAMINATION

19

20 BY MR. PURDY:

21 Q. I just had one very small area

22 pertaining to the -- I think it's called the heating

23 assistance program that PacifiCorp has been involved

24 in for years?

25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. That's essentially a low-income

2 assistance-type program, is it not?

3 A. It is indeed.

4 Q. And the Company makes contributions or

5 matches contributions voluntarily made by customers

6 to assist low-income customers?

7 A. It does.

8 Q. All right. And the Company's

9 contributions are booked below the line. Correct?

10 A. They are, indeed.

11 Q. All right. But, I guess arguably, one

12 could say that ratepayers benefit from the program,

13 in that bills that otherwise would have gone unpaid

14 might get paid. Is that what you're saying?

15 A. Yes, indeed.

16 Q. Now, you -- in your testimony, you

17 indicate that the Company intends to expand this

18 program, and I just wanted to know how you intend to

19 expand it and have you been working with any of the

20 local community action agencies in Eastern Idaho in

21 that area?

22 A. Well, first of all, we do intend to

23 extend the program. We will double the commitment

24 in -- the financial commitment in the program, from

25 one and a half million dollars to $3 million. It is

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1 our intention to assist -- double the number of

2 people who are currently being assisted under this

3 program with our new initiatives.

4 As far as Idaho is concerned, I have

5 been in Eastern Idaho on two occasions, and one of

6 those occasions I did discuss with a number of

7 interested parties there the approach that

8 ScottishPower takes to low-income families and to

9 low-income problem.

10 I think it's fair to say that in the

11 UK, ScottishPower has a good record in dealing with

12 these matters. We serve two cities who have the

13 largest number of low-income families in the UK.

14 Our approach is a holistic one. It's one that

15 provides not only the moneys that you have mentioned

16 in terms of heat assistance; it also provides

17 opportunity for customers to get debt counseling, we

18 give energy efficiency advice, we also work with a

19 number of agencies in the UK that are

20 nonprofit-making organizations, some of which are

21 government funded, and we work with them to provide

22 a solution for the customer that meets the

23 customer's needs and helps to get their bills paid.

24 We would intend to take that approach

25 here, and I've already told a number of people in

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1 this state, as in other states, that that's the

2 approach we intend to take. We budgeted additional

3 money in this state to identify key projects that

4 would help us to help low-income families in

5 Eastern Idaho.

6 Q. You said you intended to increase the

7 contributions. Did you say double them?

8 A. We say double them. In fact, we'll

9 slightly more than double the contribution that's

10 budgeted for this year in Eastern Idaho.

11 Q. Okay. So that was my next question:

12 You're referring to contributions made to

13 Eastern Idaho?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. Thank you.

16 MR. PURDY: That's all I have,

17 Mr. Chairman.

18 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Okay. Do we

19 have any questions from the Commission? None

20 either.

21 Do we have any redirect?

22 MR. VAN NOSTRAND: No, Mr. Chairman.

23 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Thank you for

24 your testimony.

25 THE WITNESS: Thank you very much.

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1 (The witness left the stand.)

2 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: We'll now move

3 on to the next witness.

4 MR. ERIKSSON: Our next witness would

5 be Carly Burton.

6 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Mr. Burton.

7 MR. ERIKSSON: While Mr. Burton is

8 taking the stand, if we could, Mr. Chairman, I've

9 distributed to the parties, including

10 Mr. Richardson -- I'm sorry.

11 I've distributed to the parties the

12 supplemental documentation which Mr. Richardson

13 asked about with respect to our BPA exchange, and

14 that information, in fact, has been distributed as

15 the Company's Response to the Public Power Council's

16 Data Request PC-1 in Oregon. And I understand from

17 Mr. Richardson that based on the documents that are

18 in there, he has no further questions on that issue.

19 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Is that correct,

20 Mr. Richardson?

21 MR. RICHARDSON: That's accurate,

22 Mr. Chairman.

23 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: Thank you.

24 Okay.

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1 CARLY BURTON,

2 produced as a witness at the instance of PacifiCorp,

3 being first duly sworn, was examined and testified

4 as follows:

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6 DIRECT EXAMINATION

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8 BY MR. ERIKSSON:

9 Q. Please state your name.

10 A. My name is Carly Burton.

11 Q. And what is your business address?

12 A. My business address is 1407 West North

13 Temple, Room 270, Salt Lake City, Utah, 84140.

14 Q. And are you presently working as a

15 consultant to PacifiCorp?

16 A. That's correct, yes.

17 Q. And prior to undertaking your role as

18 a consultant, were you employed by PacifiCorp?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. And what are your present

21 responsibilities for PacifiCorp?

22 A. Well, I was involved with the

23 operation of Utah Power and subsequently Pacific

24 Power's water supply for all of the hydroelectric

25 projects and thermal projects. I was involved with

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1 water rights administration, execution of

2 water-related contracts. Most importantly, I was

3 involved and supervised the management of the

4 Bear Lake and Bear River system to meet all the

5 needs, including 150,000 acres of farmland which

6 received supplemental storage water from Bear Lake,

7 flood control needs, hydroelectric generation, fish

8 and wildlife, recreation, and all of the other needs

9 that were involved in the operation of the

10 Bear River system.

11 Q. And your present role is to consult on

12 water-related issues?

13 A. That's correct, yes.

14 Q. And did you have occasion to have

15 filed in this case rebuttal testimony consisting of

16 eight pages of narrative and one exhibit?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. Do you have any corrections to that

19 testimony?

20 A. Yes, I had one correction:

21 On page 2, line 14, it should be the

22 Company has "six" hydroelectric projects, rather

23 than "five". The sixth project is the Last Chance

24 project, which Utah Power purchased from Last Chance

25 Canal Company in the 1980s, and that's located on

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1 the Last Chance Canal Company system.

2 Q. And does that come off the Bear River?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. If I would ask you the same questions

5 as are contained in prefiled rebuttal testimony,

6 would your answers be the same as corrected?

7 A. Yes.

8 Q. And is the testimony in your prefiled

9 rebuttal true and correct, to the best of your

10 knowledge?

11 A. Yes, it is.

12 MR. ERIKSSON: Mr. Chairman, I'd ask

13 that Mr. Burton's rebuttal testimony be spread on

14 the record as if read.

15 COMMISSIONER HANSEN: The testimony

16 will be spread upon the record if there is no

17 objection. No objection? So ordered.

18 (The following prefiled rebuttal

19 testimony of Mr. Burton is spread upon the record.)

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